Is this really the best you can do?
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Did they in ’96? I don’t remember that. I do remember USB being “horrible” and the lack of legacy support a “deal breaker”.
Apple gets credit for popularizing that one, for sure. However, Intel's baking it onto every motherboard, added to the fact that it filled a space in the market that didn't really exist up to that point, and, most crucially, the fact that it was cheap
even when it was new helped a lot.
The fact that USB technically does more is immaterial to the fact that ADB does what 99% of end-users want an external connection bus to do, and it's exceedingly hard to sell them on anything else, even if it's technically better, especially if it costs orders of magnitude more.
You, when the first iMac was released.
More like PS/2, the RS-232 serial port, the parallel port, the DA-15 game port, the Mini-DIN 8 serial port, ADB, SCSI, and probably others I'm forgetting about. There was
no ubiquitous, monolithic serial port like USB in 1998 to compete against; there was only an alphanumerabet soup of various different ports, which had just about no name recognition with the general public, and in fact was very confusing to most of them. Nothing like USB existed on the market in 1998.
USB also had definite user experience improvements that actually meant something to the average end user, in that it was 1) hot-swappable, 2) available on all platforms, and 3) had only one port type to worry about for a slew of devices ranging from keyboards to modems to printers to hard drives. The ability to drop a grand on a PCIe chassis doesn't really have the same resonance with mom-type users.
Finally, USB was nowhere near
as expensive in 1998-1999 as Thunderbolt is today, and it certainly wasn't an order of magnitude more than existing peripherals. An old Logitech mouse cost $60 (Computer Reseller News, March 11, 1996, 125); the same mouse for USB cost... $50 (Macworld, June 1999, 68-78). An IOMega Zip Plus Drive for SCSI cost $200 (Macworld, Feb. 1998, 51), whereas the upgraded Zip 250 for USB cost... $200 (Macworld, April 1999, 56). A Global Village TelePort 56K modem for the Mini-DIN 8 serial port cost $169 (Macworld, Apr. 1998, 87-91); a Global Village TelePort 56K USB modem cost $139 (Macworld, Oct. 1999, p36). SCSI CD-RW drives generally fell in the $400-$600 range (Macworld, Sept. 1998, 91-95), whereas USB ones a year later ranged from $300-$400 (Macworld, Sept. 1999, p38). I could go on, but USB did not
have anywhere near the price problem that Thunderbolt has.
If said new connector was hot swappable where the previous one wasn’t (oh, say, like PS/2 and ADB vs USB), yeah, I’d be ALL over that. And look at this! Thunderbolt is hot swappable where PCIe hasn’t been!
Exactly! Except USB is
hot-swappable, and Thunderbolt doesn't offer any improvement that translates to a benefit for the average home user.
Apple has a history of dumping connections that are perceived as not being widely used. Thunderbolt certainly fits that bill.
No, they don’t. Why would you even say something so dumb?
Someone's having a hard time coming up with cogent arguments, if you're resorting to this.
They have a history of dumping connectors that are OLD or WORSE than newer solutions. That’s why VGA was dropped as soon as DVI came out, despite VGA still being on every #^$#^%*! motherboard to this date. That’s why ADB and SCSI were dropped despite them (PS/2 instead of ADB) still being on every motherboard until the mid naughties!
Apple HDI-45 connector — introduced in 1994, combined video, audio, and power — replaced with plain old DB-15 in 1995.
PCI / PCIe — gradually removed from the entire desktop lineup since 1998. The usual reason given is that most users don't use PCI slots.
ADC — replaced DVI in 2002, combined video, USB, and power — replaced with... drum roll... DVI in 2004, causing a huge PITA for anyone who'd bought an ADC monitor.
FireWire — meant to be used instead of USB for high-speed devices — removed from the consumer notebook lineup in favor of the slower, less capable USB in 2008 (with a brief backpedal in early 2009 when they brought back the older MacBook design for a short-lived period of time)
ExpressCard — basically was to USB and FireWire what Thunderbolt is to USB — replaced by... an SD card slot (?!?!?!?!) in 2009.
User-replaceable RAM slots — removed in the MacBook Air and Retina MBP, replaced by nothing. Usual reason given is that most users don't open up their laptops.
User-replaceable storage — see above.
Apple's got a long history of removing things they think people aren't using, regardless of whether or not they're superior to what people are
Edit: Note that this is just a list of hardware
examples. If one were to list the amount of times Apple has removed software
features that were deemed unpopular... well, this would be a very long list.
If there is a new tech and Apple sees it as better, in every way, than the old, they will adopt it and kill off the old. Nothing at all to do with “not being widely used”. Jeez, I have to say it again: WHY would you say something so dumb?
(the link isn't jumping to the right spot sometimes, so go to 3 minutes 9 seconds in)
They purposely introduced MiniVGA, MiniDVI, and MicroDVI, for heaven’s sake! They weren’t being used at all until Apple created them!
VGA and DVI were extremely widely used connector types.
Because it will be replaced by a better technology in the future. Just like ADB was for USB. Would you have said “see, I told you ADB was bad; Apple got rid of it!”? You’d have been laughed out of the… what, I guess we had forums back then… of the chat room.
Thanks for latching on to the stupidest answer.
Here we go again with the personal attacks. Classy.
So I guess a plug half the size of a USB port is harder to work with than one four times its size that you have to screw into a PCI card, huh¡
I was referring more to the "available on everything from everyone" comment.Edited by Durandal1707 - 9/30/13 at 3:42pm