Originally Posted by v5v
I think I finally get how you manage to be so utterly ignorant of why people who use computers to generate income may prefer vendors other than Apple:
There is nothing wrong with choosing vendors other than Apple. Hell even Apple chooses vendors other than Apple. What is a problem is your whining about Apple not making the computer you think you want.
As to computer preferences I still have a Linux system or two around and at work there are few Macs even available. I don't have a problem with different hardware and software systems, what I have an issue with is the hostility towards Apple because the new Mac Pro somehow doesn't measure up to what you think it should be.
you've never had to make a business decision that affects your earnings nor have you ever been responsible for a decision that influences the viability of a venture.
I may not have final sign off but I've been involved in a few the Things both successful and grossly stupid. You assume that management decisions are always rational, well thought out with an understanding of the corporations needs. That isn't always the case and have been involved in a few decisions that I knew would be a failure right from the start. In one case the management team simply didn't understand the capability of the machine they where about to modify and dismissed any comments that they considered an attempt to derail their project. I've seen $70 million spent on a production line and then 3 more built all to be scrapped before a single product was sold off the line.
I could go on and on but often bad management decision are made and frankly often by people with an attitude similar to yours. Yon seem to think that because you run your own business everything you do is right and in the best interest of your business. Maybe it has been up until now. However I've seen enough of business that I know everybody makes mistakes. It doesn't really matter how good you are as a manager either, sometimes best intentions hit the brick wall of reality.
A typical person is capable of enough empathy to at least understand the concepts just by being an employee. It would also explain why you are so utterly dismissive of others and so arrogant about your own views. Which is probably what led you to share the following gem:
Arrogant? Have you actually sat down and read what you have posted in this thread? Your attitude is beyond belief and your hostility towards Apple over the new Mac Pro unexplainable. So naturally I'm honing to dismiss what you are saying as it has about as much meaning as the guy downtown that stands on his little box preaching from the bible.
Think about I'm not the one ranting about what is best for my business and wondering why Apple doesn't make the machine I think I need. Maybe your intention isn't to come off that way but friend it sounds like it to us.
Oh gee, duh, you think so? Yes, obviously we ALL think Apple should be building EXACTLY what each of us want individually.
That is the way you are presenting yourself.
There is obviously NO middle ground between that and hardware snobbery. You are the only one in the world who understands this and the rest of us are complete idiots.
Well I'm not the one arguing that Apple should make something they have never made! It makes about as much sense as demanding that Ford make space shuttles so you can take yourself a trip to zero gravity. Could Ford do it? Almost certainly, but does it make sense for them to do it today.
Oh, THAT'S where I'm screwing up. You're right.
Of course I'm right. Every good businessman that I worked with has valued the opinions of others and often seeks out those opinions. Insight, knowledge and the opinions of others are a wonderful thing for a businessman to work with when making decisions about his business.
It makes MUCH more sense for me to leave decisions that affect the welfare of my family to a disinterested third party with absolutely no knowledge of my market, clients or operations.
Tht statement is so silly I don't know how to respond. Look at it this way is it really possible to make good business decision in vacuum free of information? You can't realistically run a business with out the ability to make your own decisions, however those decisions are far easier to make and likely to be rest reckless if you consider the opinion of others, the state of the economy and a bunch of other factors. Little bits of information can make or break a business. You can only know how to run your business in the context of the rest of the world.
It is interesting that you so strongly defend your ability to make decisions for your business and to know what is best for your business but go on at length to totally reject the idea that Apple can do the same. In the case of the Mac Pro I'm pretty sure they have considered deeply the needs of the user community and balanced that against what they know is coming in the semiconductor industry. That apparently disturbs you to no end as you look towards the past to define what you need in the future.
Obviously Apple knows better than do I what will satisfy the needs of my clients and my operation.
Well you twisted that around a bit. Look at it this way, Apple knows nothing at all about your business, you personally nor your customers. When it comes to designing a new computer they can't take special interests in your needs if they expect to design a mass market computer. They may be able to look at your industry as a whole and hope to take a good segment of that business, but there is no way they can make everybody happy. Apples goals are most likely focused on a machine that they see as marketable and profitable. That may not make you happy but I really doubt your clients even care. All of this is balanced against what Apple knows about semiconductor technology and what that tube will be containing in the follow on years.
I'm not sure how you perverted the new Mac Pros introduction as telling you anything. All they did is introduce what is going to be their professional platform for the foreseeable future. Really it is nothing personal.
It is interesting that the title of this thread is: "What's left for the Macintosh in a Post-PC iOS World". You and I may know that the need for workstations will never go away. However rationally we can't dismiss that the industry is changing rapidly, perhaps faster than it has since the days of the Apple 2. Due to this I'm expecting changes in the industry including more than a few PC vendors giving up the ghost.
Apples problem is that they need to navigate what could very well be a mine field for many companies and come out ahead. The new Mac Pro is an attempt to bring fresh ideas to a market that is rather stale and contracting. That doesn't mean it will be successful but it does give Apple a solution for a market that will be vastly different in a few years. Like it or hate it, I suspect that more than a couple of Apples competitors will be keeping a close eye on the machine to see how it does and to plot their own course forward.