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post #41 of 204

It wouldn't surprise me if Apple did the same concept with their iPads as they did with their iPhones.  Take the top end model, drop the price make a couple of enhancements and encase it in poly carb and offer colors and then release another top end model in it's place with a updated processor, etc.

That would certainly make sense to do that.

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I wonder if Apple will ever add a USB port to their iPad line. It would sure open it up to be a lot more useful.

How? There is USB on the iPad, iPhone and nearly all iPods ever sold but just because it has the ability to plug into USB doesn't mean it will have access to what you want it to do, which I assume would be the ability to plug in an external HDD and mouse. They would still need to add the software functionality which just isn't going to happen as it makes no sense.
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For a long time I hadn't seen too many. Now I see almost as many Android Tabs as iPads.

Yes I have seen more too, depending on the region. But iPad still prevails. Have seen increased Android device occurrence in LA, but New York is overwhelmingly iOS world. I can't believe Apple Store Fifth Avenue. It's like Apple is giving out free food. The crowd is crazy even on regular no-launch days.

Asia is more Android heavy too for price reason. But Apple is just starting to focus on major markets in Asia, so we shall see.

My sense is the pie is still growing, so percentage doesn't really tell the full picture. Specially not just with sell-in numbers.

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The press and analysts should try to learn more tricks rather than mindlessly reporting on leaks, their own made-up Apple vision, and solely sell-in numbers. There should be a lot of depth to explore or uncover behind the scene.

In lieu of what I mentioned in the previous page, it is interesting to see Samsung hide their numbers publicly.
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Like that's going to stop the $49 white box Android tablet market...
I'm talking about the new Kindle tablets and the 2nd gen Nexus, not cheap POS devices for China.
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Who cares what the others do...
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Very well done.

 

On my informal research, people do buy Android tablets. However they are usually for gifts or purchased by people who don't know any better. They try to use them, get frustrated and stick them in a drawer somewhere where they are forgotten and alone. Maybe they will be given to some poor unsuspecting child who then finds the phablet size to be perfect for skipping across the local body of water.

 

In otherwords... they are either a) on shelves awaiting to be purchased by some unknowing consumer at CVS or b) activated c) used for a week d) discarded.

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For a long time I hadn't seen too many. Now I see almost as many Android Tabs as iPads.

 

Really?  You must live in China

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I say all that knowing that there are a few really good Android tablets like the Amazon Kindle. I'd recommend that to anyone. But most devices are terribly hard to use for the average consumer and are relegated either to computer geeks, or the trash bin.

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Perhaps more importantly, ABI's research found that tablets running Android are finally approaching Apple's offerings in terms of revenue generated. The overall tablet market for the second quarter of 2013 reached $12.7 billion in value. Of that, the iPad represented 50 percent of worldwide end-user revenues, the first time that has happened, according to ABI.

The firm also found that the average sale price (ASP) for iPads is "rapidly approaching" the average of the rest of the market. iPad ASP dropped 17 percent last quarter, while ASP for Android-powered tablets rose 17 percent over the same period.

I call BS.

The cheapest Apple tablet is $329. There are millions of Android tablets selling for under $100 and few over $329, much less the $500 or more of most iPads. There's no way in the world that the average selling price for Android tablets is even close to the average for iPads.

But what do you expect from someone called the "Media Tablets, Ultrabooks and eReaders Research Service"?
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post #50 of 204

So now Apple is no longer doomed but iPad is? How creative.

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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

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Apple needs to adapt iOS specifically to take advantage of the iPad size.

 

They can't. They have to make sure iOS works with a wide variety of manufacturer devices, video cards, screen sizes. Oh wait, did I say iOS? I meant Windows. :lol:
 

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Why in the world reprint this "analysis" with a straight face? Why could estimates from ABI be deemed trustworthy, any more than those from Strategy Analytics and IBC? What is their methodology? Who are their clients? What is the margin of error in their estimates? etc. The usual questions that never get asked or answered.

IMO, as long as Samsung and other tablet makers refuse to provide unit sales figures in securities documents, then estimates by "independent analysts" such be deemed just so much PR for Apple's competitors.
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How is it that Amazon and Asus don't seem to have a problem shipping tablets with retina like (or better than retina) displays? The 2nd gen Nexus is not a thick and heavy piece of garbage with terrible battery life. It's very similar in weight to iPad mini and according to AnandTech gets about 12 hours battery life. There's no excuse for the 2nd gen mini not to have retina. And if someone throws out the term "margins" then I ask the question, is Apple a product company or a profit margin company?

IMO no retina mini this year is basically Apple handing the tablet space to the competition on a silver platter. Sorry but paying a "premium" for the iOS ecosystem and Apple customer support won't be enough. The products need to be better. And with a retina mini Apple would basically own the tablet market again.

Utter nonsense!!! #1. The iPad mini is already the best selling tablet in the world even without a retina display which makes your comment ridiculous. #2. People absolutely positively pay for the pad because of its superior OS and ecosystem, along with superior user experience, superior build quality, superior service and support, superior resale value by far, etc. etc. etc. - that is not going to change!
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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

BS! Go take a nap.
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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

 

Radical abandonment for what? Green and purple Windows 8 Metro?

 

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I'm talking about the new Kindle tablets and the 2nd gen Nexus, not cheap POS devices for China.

 

I thought you were serious there for a second.

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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

BS! Go take a nap.

 

By its very definition a prediction cannot be BS because it relates to something in the future. You can come back in a year or so and say my prediction was incorrect but BS is defined as something being untrue in the present.

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Originally Posted by island hermit


For a long time I hadn't seen too many. Now I see almost as many Android Tabs as iPads.
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Really?  You must live in China
I'm an expat living in China and see very few Android tablets in major metropolitan areas. They are even using iPads in restaurants to display menus and take orders.
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Radical abandonment for what? Green and purple Windows 8 Metro?

 

That is certainly a possibility, but I was thinking more along the lines of Android. I only upgraded one iPad to iOS 7 and I am very disappointed with the new interface. I am in a quandary what to do with my other iOS devices. Although I like most of the new features, I hate the interface theme.

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Canadian Casual Tablet Model Count Through Futureshop.ca:

Acer = 3 current tablets available, 3 discontinued tablets available
Dell = 3 consumer
HP = 2 consumer convertibles, 1 business tablet, 1 consume tablet
Asus = 9 consumer tablets (including Google Nexus 7)
D2 = 11 budget models
Ematic = 2 children's models
Hipstreet = 13 various models
LePan = 1 model
Microsoft = 3 various models
Samsung = 13 models
Sony = 1 model
Nabi = 1 model
Vinci = 1

So far a total of 69 models with many "exclusives" for the retailer. Called a few shops nearby (like a real analyst does) and found every Android and Windows model was available, in all colours, all memory configurations, and all screen variations, in most stores. The lowly Apple "hut" was sold out of 4 of their 6 SKU's, with an unknown date for reshipment. This doesn't even count phone/tablets "phablets" out there below 7" screens sizes. It's starting to look like those 1970's car comparison commercials where one dealer offers free radials and the other 'chrome' bumpers. Who cares? They can mix up all the parts to their hearts content, and they still sit on the shelves. I personally bought 3 mini tablets, each below $150CAN, only to be completely frustrated by the outdated Android software, zero support and service and ended up using them as clocks on the wall, until I splurged for the more expensive iPad mini. It never leaves my hands, and it's the only tablet I travel with, leaving my laptop at home. It just works well and never hinders my experience. It's not about the sell in, but the consumer experience and contentment of the product. I cannot remember a single person telling me once that Samcrumb's 10" phablet with high speed wizardry was so amazing. Not once ever.

So who are they selling to? The retailers who gladly take the hit and sell them off cheap 6 months later. Or unload stock in a company wide sell off to a white box store to unload.

Until these generics start to release $$ of sold items by model/screen size, their sell in numbers mean nothing. Just more electronic dump waste until they clean up their acts and make a great product.
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This is "shipping" vs "sales" all over again.

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post #62 of 204
Even aside from the shipments vs sales thing... the story is that collectively, a bunch of companies make almost as much money selling more tablets as Apple.

Sounds like good news to me.
post #63 of 204
Just imagine if a headline read … "All car makers, world wide, combined are approaching the sales revenue of BMW."

I bet BMW would be pretty happy and the stock value would be pretty high.

Alas, when it's tablets and Apple this is bad news I'm sure …
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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

Really? My wife and I are way past that age range and love iOS 7. Maybe you need some of those special vitamin tablets. 1wink.gif
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IMO Apple needs to bail on the hideous iOS color scheme, zooming motion and translucency or they are going to alienate their core target market. If they are looking to appeal to the pre-teen, tweerer, and teen market then the new interface makes complete sense. But to middle age adults who have been their main customer demographic since the introduction of the iPhone, there is not much appreciation for the latest interface design. I predict either a radical reversal of interface design or a radical abandonment of iOS devices by the 30-50 year-old adult market segment .

Do you have survey results on that? I don't mind the color scheme although the motion should be optional. I predict you will be wrong. There wasn't a revolt when OS 9 when to OS X.
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I thought you were serious there for a second.
So you're saying the 2nd gen Nexus 7 is a POS? Funny all the reviews said it was a vast improvement over the first device. Sticking A6 in the mini and calling it a day is bullshit. Apple is better than that.
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Do you have survey results on that? I don't mind the color scheme although the motion should be optional. I predict you will be wrong. There wasn't a revolt when OS 9 when to OS X.
All the people who complain about iOS 7 have nothing but maybe anecdotal evidence to back it up. Mixpanel is showing iOS 7 adoption at 62%.
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Just imagine if a headline read … "All car makers, world wide, combined are approaching the sales revenue of BMW."

I bet BMW would be pretty happy and the stock value would be pretty high.

Alas, when it's tablets and Apple this is bad news I'm sure …

 

I see your point but when you look at it from the other side, one could argue that Apple's profit from iPad sales exceeds all other tablet manufacturers combined.

 

It makes no sense to reverse the equation when there are no profits on the competitor's side.  

 

How do we sell below cost? We make it up in volume!


Edited by mstone - 9/28/13 at 7:56pm

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Do you have survey results on that? I don't mind the color scheme although the motion should be optional. I predict you will be wrong. There wasn't a revolt when OS 9 when to OS X.

iOS 7 has been out only one week. There may be surveys but the long term adoption or lack there of will not be evident for a year or so as carrier contracts expire. Down grading to iOS 6 is not an option. If you don't like it you are stuck until you can get out of your contract.

 

And BYW there was a huge revolt concerning 10.0. It was terrible and nothing worked but fortunately they made classic available to help with the transition. Eventually it was improved and I hope the same can be said for iOS 7+


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Bet the numbers include the Amazon tablets.

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This is "shipping" vs "sales" all over again.

Just curious where all these unsold tablets are. When they do exist we find out about it in company financials ala Microsoft and Surface. Have Samsung, Asus or Amazon has to take a write down because of unsold tablets?

The issue isn't shipped vs sold (and Apple includes shipments to resellers in their sales figures). The issue is these analytic firms don't have actual shipped figures, they're just estimated and we have no way of auditing their numbers.
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Really?  You must live in China

 

Nope.

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Are these ridiculous tit-tat, tit-tat battles and declarations of wars won ever going to end? What I mean is that it seems like one week someone claims iOS is up, the next week someone (else?) claims Android is up, one is up, one is down, the future is good, the future is bad, Apple is the best, Android is the best, one, the other, back to the one, back to the other. Doesn't anyone else see this? Beyond the psychotic analyses that seem to keep contradicting each other, is there anyone else in the room sane enough to declare, "it's a facade, it doesn't matter"?

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iOS 7 has been out only one week. There may be surveys but the long term adoption or lack there of will not be evident for a year or so as carrier contracts expire. Down grading to iOS 6 is not an option. If you don't like it you are stuck until you can get out of your contract.
But it could be that the more people use it and get used to it they like it. It is completely different than iOS 6 so for some people it might take a while to get used to. Sure there will be some people who never like it but I'd be surprised if a lot of people leave iOS because of it, especially when some of the criticism is its too much like Android or Windows Phone. Also it's pretty obvious that a lot was done in a short amount of time (7 months or so) so I would expect iOS 7 to be refined and made better over time. This is the beginning not the end.
post #75 of 204

If you want to make a young girl cry and/or have your wife think you're a putz....buy them a tablet other than an iPad Mini this Xmas (even w/o a R display!)

 

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Hey ABI, news flash, apple is getting ready to ship new iPads and the quarter before the announcement, sales drop for Apple as it gives android mfg a little room to sell their crap. When Apple announces and releases their products, Android products will drop in sales while apple sales take off and they recapture market share.
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Also it's pretty obvious that a lot was done in a short amount of time (7 months or so) so I would expect iOS 7 to be refined and made better over time. This is the beginning not the end.

First impressions are very important. Releasing something so half baked (my opinion) was a mistake. For example they did not release Mavericks just because the iMacs were refreshed. For some reason they are fixated on a new iPhone having a new OS. Personally I think iOS 7 design cues are ill conceived regardless of whether it was technically release ready or not.

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So you're saying the 2nd gen Nexus 7 is a POS? Funny all the reviews said it was a vast improvement over the first device.
Perhaps. After all, a polished turd is really no better than a plain one.

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Utter nonsense!!! #1. The iPad mini is already the best selling tablet in the world even without a retina display which makes your comment ridiculous. #2. People absolutely positively pay for the pad because of its superior OS and ecosystem, along with superior user experience, superior build quality, superior service and support, superior resale value by far, etc. etc. etc. - that is not going to change!

Geez I hope Apple doesn't have it's head in the sand like some people here do. Do you have a source for the mini being the best selling tablet in the world? Last time I checked Apple doesn't break out sales figures between the full size iPad and the mini.

I guess I'm a little confused why so many think it's perfectly fine for the mini to stay non retina. Apple doesn't currently sell an iPhone or iPod touch that is non retina. iOS 7 was designed for retina displays. Other companies are releasing tablets with very high quality displays. Part of me thinks the $329 price tag for the mini was so Apple could release a retina mini this year and not have to raise the price. But if all Apple does is stick A6 in the mini and maybe upgrade the camera or something I'll be very disappointed. And I think Apple will be inviting competitors to take market share from them.
post #80 of 204
Time to stop calling propaganda "Research".

These companies are paid by google, etc. to put out propaganda claiming success. It's not real.

If the numbers were this good, google would publish them in its quarterly reports. So would samsung, etc.

This is just lies put forth as propaganda for clueless dupes to repring... too bad Apple Insider reprints them without thinking about them.
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