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Just days after halting home use of the devices, some of the Los Angeles schools that have already issued Apple's iPads to students are taking the tablets back "until further notice."

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Officials from the Los Angeles Unified School District on Friday began repossessing iPads from students at at least two area schools following last week's revelation that some students had bypassed security restrictions on Apple's tablets, accordin gto the Los Angeles Times.

For their part, students ??who were told last week not to take the devices home ??appear to have ignored that order. A teacher from Roosevelt High School in the East Side neighborhood of Boyle Heights said that only around two-thirds of the more than 2,000 iPads issued were turned in.

There was no word from the district on when the devices, issued to students at some 47 schools as part of the initial rollout of Los Angeles's $30 million plan to outfit every public school student in the city with an iPad, would make their way back to the classroom. Lisa Avila, coordinator for academic services to low-income students at Roosevelt, said that teachers "don't know when or if we will able to use the iPads again for classroom instruction ? this week, this semester or this year."

District officials had said previously that the iPads would remain available for use at school, with only home use of the devices being restricted. A spokesman for the school district reiterated that goal in a statement on Monday, saying the district is "working with Apple" to develop a solution and that "In the meantime, our team is working with each school to assist them with options for allowing students to use the devices at their school only."
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ROFLMAO. Here come the Surface, Appleinsider citizens.
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The schools are dumber than the students!

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Gee, who saw this going bad? LA Unified is ridiculously in the hole right now, yet they can somehow dig up 30 million to buy kids iPads to abuse? Ok.
This is why I'd never live in Cali. I could pay those ridiculous taxes if they actually went to something useful.
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And this is with a 'notoriously' closed system. Imagine putting an 'open' system into the hands of school kids.

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Gee, who saw this going bad? LA Unified is ridiculously in the hole right now, yet they can somehow dig up 30 million to buy kids iPads to abuse? Ok.
This is why I'd never live in Cali. I could pay those ridiculous taxes if they actually went to something useful.

 

Nice knee-jerk, anti government rant.

Electronic books and lectures are ultimately the best cost saving methods. Its going to take some trial and error to get it right.

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The schools are dumber than the students!

 

Second that!  Such dumb restrictions will render any such scheme useless. "Hey, the kids are smarter than we thought. Let's shut the program down!"

 

I hope that when the School District 'works with Apple' they are told to leave the kids alone and let them play. As long as the initiative improves learning, they should not try and control what the kids do at home. Or not give them iPads.

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Fraser Speirs offers some great analysis on what probably happened:

http://speirs.org/blog/2013/10/1/battle-los-angeles.html

Best part IMHO:

"Of course, there's a broader point to be made here too which is that an iPad that's locked down to Pearson curriculum content is probably the saddest of all iPads. The very act of giving out an iPad for "education only" purposes generates exactly the pressures that lead to breaches like this.

Imagine you're 14 and, one summer, you hear on the news that you're getting iPads when you go back to school. You go back, are handed an iPad, and then they tell you that you can't browse the web, can't use it for personal projects and all you can do with it is look at Pearson apps."
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@cash907 So continue to live in a state which doesn't even try things like this to better their students education. Yeah, that is MUCH better eh?
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the school I went to was one of the first public schools in the USA to implement a program that gave every student a fully loaded computer with very high end software, with the only cost being $50 a year for insurance. The same exact thing happened. Within 1 week every student had figured out how to bypass the "locks" that were on the system and within a month many students knew how to log into the computers "administrator" account. Most students knew how to use proxies to access blocked websites. I'd imagine most students today know how to use proxies and VPNs, and are quick at learning how to bypass locks that prevent the installation of games. The school I went to confiscated them from everyone for about a month, but ultimately ended up giving them back, and doing unannounced computer checks" . I think they started announcing fines/suspensions for people who were caught. The program was a gigantic success, produced measurable results, and still exists, but the "problems" and "hacking" still occurs according to people I have spoken to.
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Gee, who saw this going bad? LA Unified is ridiculously in the hole right now, yet they can somehow dig up 30 million to buy kids iPads to abuse? Ok.
This is why I'd never live in Cali. I could pay those ridiculous taxes if they actually went to something useful.

 

Yet so goes California, so goes the nation. There's a reason 40 million people live there.

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From what I read they mentioned a config profile that the students removed. To be this sounds like the Admin didn't protect the configuration profile and allowed anyone to delete it. Sounds like the Admins fault to me if that is the case.
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So...the kids are smart enough to teach themselves complicated technology like VPN and proxies, and then show their friends, but too dumb to learn history and math with paper books?

 

This is a great example why they are in the hole financially. Most early adopters don't save money. 

 

The kids probably won't learn history or math, but at least they could learn some useful skills hacking the iPads. Otherwise they won't know anything when they enter the work force.

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I can see the impracticality of letting the students take them home except for special projects and then the parent would have to take financial responsibility for the device. You can't just send the iPads home with the student unrestricted. In places like Boyle Heights those missing iPads probably won't be coming back.

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Gee, who saw this going bad? LA Unified is ridiculously in the hole right now, yet they can somehow dig up 30 million to buy kids iPads to abuse? Ok.

This is why I'd never live in Cali. I could pay those ridiculous taxes if they actually went to something useful.

 



Yes exactly.... you are wise to stay away. I would, but they won't let us out. We are taxed to absolute death... literally; and wastefull.... like no other state any where... ever; cosmopolitan populous, health food, recycling, anti-polution, movie actors(mien Gott!), earthquakes, land slides, deserts(and desserts), ocean, tsunamii's, mountains and valleys, national and state parks up the gazoo and perhaps in the future 'single payer healthcare' ....arrrrrrrrrrrr.... the in-humanity! Google and Apple... they' are Doomed I tell you, Doooooooomed!!! /s

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Why is it wrong to hold a state responsible for how it spends the taxpayer's dollar?

Instead of trying every "new" thing (like handing out iPads); how about actually applying tactics that have a history of working? You know, teaching basic math, reading and science. Based upon the data found online (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment ) you can see that California rates at #48 our of 50 states. Pretty miserable.

Other states, who spend a heck of a lot less of the taxpayer's money rate in the top 10. Wyoming, Minnesota and Alaska somehow manage to hold the top 3 spots. What are they doing? Odds are that they aren't passing out "entertainment" devices, instead of focusing on the core studies.

Angry Birds will not teach you how to read, do algebra or prepare you for a job in the "real world". That is the purpose of school - to prepare you for living as a responsible adult.
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Nice knee-jerk, anti government rant.

Electronic books and lectures are ultimately the best cost saving methods. Its going to take some trial and error to get it right.

Get off your tea-bagger horse. You guys have already done enough damage to the state (thanks to Prop 13).

 



Do you live in California? The governments here- state and local- are utterly broken.

And I love how you preach against knee-jerking and then knee-jerk right over to tea party (and, of course, using the completely immature and tired "tea bagger"). The tea party is barely a whiff on the wind here on the west coast. And the "All ills stem from Prop 13" has been soundly debunked many times over and ignores about 99.9% of the big picture. Seriously, I know die hard life long liberal democrats who think the California statehouse needs to be burned to ground. The only defenders this government has left is people employed by it and rabid, blind ideologues.

And, no, I'm not a conservative or any ideological label. Personally, I like the idea of bringing tech like this to replace textbooks and other things, but the people in charge of the schools here are corrupt filth.
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The security protocols on the iPad are pretty decent, but there's no security lock that prevents a user from plugging the iPad into a computer and simply wiping the unit clean. Now it's free to do what it wants.


However, it can be set up so that when this happens, the school knows about it, and can reprimand the students for it.  The best thing to do is show them exactly how to do it when giving them the iPads, and letting them know that if they do, there will be repercussions for that behavior. Pretending that they won't be able to figure it out is sticking your head in the sand.

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Why is it wrong to hold a state responsible for how it spends the taxpayer's dollar?


Ideology. People can't let go of it. It's requires them to think. They'd rather traffic in simplified bogeymen, so the Left shouts "teabaggers" and the right shouts "socialism" and people with working brains wonder (albeit wistfully) when they can emigrate to a space colony where ideological idiocy would result in a trip to the airlock.

That being said, textbooks are long overdue for a radical update, and tablets are a good direction. We also need policy changes to fix problems in the textbook industry.
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OK, LA Unified School District is basically forcing the students to use the tablets at school, but not at home (especially online)?

 

Simple solution:

 

Give the students Android or Surface tablets.

 

All the hard data show that very few people use Android or Surface tablets online (or anywhere else for that matter). 

 

Data / facts, not opinion, folks.

 

http://gigaom.com/2013/07/23/the-ipad-accounted-for-84-3-percent-of-web-traffic-from-tablets-in-june/

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/23/apples-ipad-holds-on-to-massive-tablet-usage-lead-now-at-84


Edited by smackdown - 10/1/13 at 1:13pm
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The kids probably won't learn history or math, but at least they could learn some useful skills hacking the iPads. Otherwise they won't know anything when they enter the work force.

 

Yeah, the schools are producing thousands and thousands of ipad hackers to enter the work force.  The unemployment rate sure will be high in the near future.

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From what I read they mentioned a config profile that the students removed. To be this sounds like the Admin didn't protect the configuration profile and allowed anyone to delete it. Sounds like the Admins fault to me if that is the case.

 

I mentioned this in the other post about LA schools, but there is a hole (bug?) in how Apple implemented MDM. There are two profiles installed with an MDM and while one is passcoded and can't be removed, the main one issued by the MDM company is easily removed with the click of the button. And when you remove that profile, both profiles are removed.

 

This is a problem that Apple needs to fix. It's not the fault of any admin.

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Maybe they are going to do inventory checks on how many are in "unknown" as in home or lost?
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Apple stylists made IOS7 unusable by many low vision students. My recommendation would be to stop iPad purchases and look for better devices. Many individuals are doing this already. I hope Apple has not done something similar in Mavericks. I've been waiting a long time for a new MacPro but feel it may be unusable.
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Imagine you're 14 and, one summer, you hear on the news that you're getting iPads when you go back to school. You go back, are handed an iPad, and then they tell you that you can't browse the web, can't use it for personal projects and all you can do with it is look at Pearson apps."

That really wasn't the issue. The district IT office made a stupid call in how they set up the iPads, restricting via a profile that had no password on deleting. THAT was the issue. Dig around social media and kids were talking about it.

And knowing LAUSD there was likely no use contract so they can discipline the kids that deleted it, took iPads off campus after being told not to etc.

These iPads are district property so like it or not they have the right to restrict them. They are textbooks not toys. The district just needed folks that had a clue setting them up. Given the timing they could have just waited for iOS 7 which has way better MDM than many of these outside options.

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Yes you can use facebook.
Sure you can use twitter.
Ya, you may use the internet.
Of course you can take them home.

Your assignment is due Thursday don't turn it in late. No excuses. I also want you to read pages 26_32 of you science book. We are going to talk about it tomorrow. No excuses.

Why would you put ANY restrictions on the use of their iPads? Especially kids! Kids don't need a break from work? Kids don't need to be social? Fucking rediculious.
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Originally Posted by BadFlounder
So continue to live in a state which doesn't even try things like this to better their students education. Yeah, that is MUCH better eh?

 

Thanks for claiming California is the only state doing anything like this. When you’ve further posts, just tag them with “humor”.

 

Originally Posted by thompsbk View Post
Apple stylists made IOS7 unusable by many low vision students. My recommendation would be to stop iPad purchases and look for better devices. Many individuals are doing this already. I hope Apple has not done something similar in Mavericks. I've been waiting a long time for a new MacPro but feel it may be unusable.

 

Thanks for the complete lies, at least. If you really cared at all, you’d look on Apple’s website to see how wrong you are.

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Why is it wrong to hold a state responsible for how it spends the taxpayer's dollar?

Instead of trying every "new" thing (like handing out iPads); how about actually applying tactics that have a history of working? You know, teaching basic math, reading and science. Based upon the data found online (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment ) you can see that California rates at #48 our of 50 states. Pretty miserable.

It would help if you choose a reasonable metric. Yours is "2009 percentage of population 25 years old with a High School diploma or higher".

Sorry, but that has nothing to do with educational performance. For example, CA has a much higher immigrant population than most of the US. Many of those immigrants never had a high school diploma.

When you look at actual educational performance, CA performs much better. And when it comes to college graduation rates, CA is in the top 10.
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Gee, who saw this going bad? LA Unified is ridiculously in the hole right now, yet they can somehow dig up 30 million to buy kids iPads to abuse? Ok.
This is why I'd never live in Cali. I could pay those ridiculous taxes if they actually went to something useful.

LA adults voted for the tech bond that paid for them. And the way these bonds work they can't be used for anything but what the voters approved. So no flipping it to salaries or whatever.

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So...the kids are smart enough to teach themselves complicated technology like VPN and proxies, and then show their friends, but too dumb to learn history and math with paper books?

No VPN etc required to remove an unprotected profile.

But if there was, that's more useful skills in today's work place than being about to rote spew out a bunch of dates you had to learn to pass a standardized test

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OK, LA Unified School District is basically forcing the students to use the tablets at school, but not at home (especially online)?

Simple solution:

Give the students Android or Surface tablets.

All the hard data show that very few people use Android or Surface tablets online (or anywhere else for that matter). 

Data / facts, not opinion, folks.

http://gigaom.com/2013/07/23/the-ipad-accounted-for-84-3-percent-of-web-traffic-from-tablets-in-june/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/23/apples-ipad-holds-on-to-massive-tablet-usage-lead-now-at-84

While I understand your attempt of sarcasm, it does also remain a fact that Windows tablets (at least Windows Pro ones) can be easily lock down to the level where users cannot install their own apps, or even access all the apps available on tablet by default.

A bit draconian, yes. But these tablets are supposed to replace school books, not to be toys in students' hands. Students are more than welcome to purchase their own tablets for fulling around, IMHO.
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