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Apple on Thursday notified members of its AppleSeed program that a new build OS X 10.9 Mavericks was available for download, but this time the messages contained no mention of "Developer Preview," prompting some to speculate that work on the next-generation Mac operating system is nearing completion.

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The latest Mavericks beta, dubbed Build 13A598, comes just over two weeks after the previous version was seeded in mid-September.

People familiar with the seed note the email no longer contains the words "Developer Preview," as did all previous versions up to this point. As seen above, the title has been changed to "OS X Mavericks."

As with the most recent developer previews, today's seed comes with no major changes to the forthcoming OS, people familiar with the release said.

When Apple launches OS X 10.9 Mavericks later this fall, it will come with iBooks, Finder Tabs, Maps, App Nap and Compressed Memory, among other new features.

Members of the AppleSeed program can download the OS X 10.9 Mavericks via Software Update in the Mac App Store.
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Good. Stop stalling and release the rMBP refresh now.
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Not showing up in Software Update for me, yet.

Hope to God Apple has the foresight to give Mavericks away for free.
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Hmmm.... maybe it's time to try upgrading... I think I'll wait for the GM though. I need rock solid stability to get work done.... but I'm excited about getting Mavericks.

Though I still hate the name.

Is there a city in california named "iceaman" by any chance?
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Good. Stop stalling and release the rMBP refresh now.

 

On stage at iPad event. (Oct 15?)

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Hope to God Apple has the foresight to give Mavericks away for free.

 

 

It would be nice to get it for free.  I worry that if it becomes free it will go the way of the original Mac OS-- where updates were always free, but not really very compelling or quick to come. 

 

I'd happily pay Apple $40 a year for an annual update cycle (where each release is of the quality of the past two anyway.) 

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Hmmm.... maybe it's time to try upgrading... I think I'll wait for the GM though. I need rock solid stability to get work done.... but I'm excited about getting Mavericks.

Though I still hate the name.

 

Mavericks is solid now. I'd be more worried about it breaking your specific app compatibility use-case.

 

I like the name. The naming scheme is simple. It's places in California. Like OS X Redwood or OS X Yosemite.

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It would be nice to get it for free.  I worry that if it becomes free it will go the way of the original Mac OS-- where updates were always free, but not really very compelling or quick to come.

 

Like iOS?

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Mavericks is solid now. 

 

I'm sure it is.  Apple's just not accepting apps built on the Mavericks tool chain right now.

 

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Like iOS?

 

iOS is different because there's nothing overshadowing it, like there is OS X.    OS X is getting less attention than iOS now, it is living in the iOS shadow.  If OS X is not a revenue center, then it could get even less attention, because Apple is focused on iOS. 

 

For iOS Apple has a different business model.  Macs las 3-5 years, but iOS only runs on devices up to about 2 years old.  Thus the upgrade fee for the latest iOS for people with a 2+ year old device is getting a new device.  The software cost is built into the hardware price. 

 

Thus you get two releases of iOS for a given device purchase.  With OS X, if they do annual updates to it, you could get 5 releases of OS X for a hardware purchase.

 

Not saying it's not possible that apple would do this, just that it worries me.

 

I think OS X needs a lot of work, mostly migrating the easy-to-develop-for modern iOS SDK to the Mac so that we can more easily build apps that run on both platforms. 

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Not appearing in software update yet for me either. Has anyone seen it hit the servers yet?
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I hope Messages finally losing that ugly bubble effect in this version. It just looks so outdated compared to Messages in iOS 7.

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Good. Stop stalling and release the rMBP refresh now.

Sure, release already even if that means having to not include certain components like TB2 for another cycle. /s

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Hope to God Apple has the foresight to give Mavericks away for free.

I hope it's free but you're not looking at the big picture. Do you have the foresight to know what is best for Apple's long and short term bottom line? It'll be free if it makes sense for it to be free, like with iOS. I think between the yearly update cycle, the crossover of iOS and OS X frameworks and APIs, the significance of iDevice buyers being PC switchers, the peace of mind from knowing you'll get at least 3 years of free updates, and the lowered cost for Apple support could make it the best option for Apple, but we really don't know. All we can do it run fuzzy numbers and hope that Apple agrees with our wishes.

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It would be nice to get it for free.  I worry that if it becomes free it will go the way of the original Mac OS-- where updates were always free, but not really very compelling or quick to come. 

I'd happily pay Apple $40 a year for an annual update cycle (where each release is of the quality of the past two anyway.) 

iOS is not only compelling but iOS 7 was the most compelling version of iOS to date and it's free.
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"I like the name. The naming scheme is simple. It's places in California. Like OS X Redwood or OS X Yosemite."

...No but there is a Weed, CA!
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"I like the name. The naming scheme is simple. It's places in California. Like OS X Redwood or OS X Yosemite."

...No but there is a Weed, CA!

Inspiring places. There is no reason to assume they'll start choosing cities at all and I'm not sure Weed is inspiring. You might as well pick Bakersfield.
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I hope Messages finally losing that ugly bubble effect in this version. It just looks so outdated compared to Messages in iOS 7.

I actually hope not. I like my OS to be consistent in style and it seems that Mavericks is going to do just that with the removal of most skeuomorphic effects. Since we are not expecting a style overhaul with Mavericks, I do not want to see anything that looks like iOS 7. 

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On stage at iPad event. (Oct 15?)

i've been wondering (to myself until now) if they were holding mavericks until a mac pro announcement.

seems they have an awful lot of stuff to announce pretty quickly. mavericks; mbp refresh; pro; ipad; minis (please please please)

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Not appearing in software update yet for me either. Has anyone seen it hit the servers yet?

Not seeing it on the software update nor in the Dev's download page yet, Build: 13A584 is the latest I am seeing. Weird! Where did that screen shot come from?
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Who got this? LOL, not devs apparently...

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Not seeing it on the software update nor in the Dev's download page yet, Build: 13A584 is the latest I am seeing. Weird! Where did that screen shot come from?

Is AppleSeed their non-developer beta testing program?
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Not showing up in Software Update for me, yet.

Hope to God Apple has the foresight to give Mavericks away for free.

Why free? Lately they have been charging very little but yet delivering a lot. The Mac OS updates have been a bargain really.
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My Mavericks sometimes restarts due to 'a problem' while sleeping. Happens regularly. I hope this is fixed. Not a big deal, but a bit annoying.
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Originally Posted by Cash907 View Post
Good. Stop stalling and release the rMBP refresh now.

 

Given that they’ve never done that, why are you pretending it’s the case?

 

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Hope to God Apple has the foresight to give Mavericks away for free.

 

Why, when it’s tens of millions of dollars extra?

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Is AppleSeed there non-developer beta testing program?

I believe so but why would they get a later version than developers?
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On stage at iPad event. (Oct 15?)

October 15" could very well be an all Mac event. Obviously the Mac Pro is due, however I don't think it will come alone. I would think that Apple would deliver a 4K screen to go with it, to a lesser extent I'm expecting an Apple file server/disk array/TB attached storage or whatever you want to call it. In other words I would expect that Apple will deliver a full solution for all sorts of professionals.

Then we have the Mini, it could be abandoned completely, updated or morphed slightly into a new container. If abandoned they might replace it with a Haswell in a Mac Pro Chassis. In any event I would expect enough Mac stuff to fill an hour, especially if Apple has a bunch of Mavericks ready apps to deliver.
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i've been wondering (to myself until now) if they were holding mavericks until a mac pro announcement.

seems they have an awful lot of stuff to announce pretty quickly. mavericks; mbp refresh; pro; ipad; minis (please please please)

This is why I see October 15 the as Mac & Mavericks only. Lots to do and it would only require one software app update to eat up much of the allotted time.
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I would think they will finish removing the skeuomorphic look of apps before they go final. Is Reminders still black? What else still had the look in older builds?
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I would think they will finish removing the skeuomorphic look of apps before they go final.

 

Sure hope not. Ruining Notes was bad enough.

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No showing up in software update which means this is a major release that can't be updated. They probably removed all of the debugging stuff.
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i've been wondering (to myself until now) if they were holding mavericks until a mac pro announcement.

seems they have an awful lot of stuff to announce pretty quickly. mavericks; mbp refresh; pro; ipad; minis (please please please)

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it's the other way around, the MacPro will require Mavericks, thus is waiting for the Mavericks release.

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This is the GM version.
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This is the GM version.
Just thinking that that this may be I annocened (for obvious reasons) GM or maybe there is one more with probably double digits or less bugs removed difference.
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It would be nice to get it for free.  I worry that if it becomes free it will go the way of the original Mac OS-- where updates were always free, but not really very compelling or quick to come. 

I'd happily pay Apple $40 a year for an annual update cycle (where each release is of the quality of the past two anyway.) 
Id happily pay $10 and $20 on some updates (this one not included) but over $20 no. From business point of view profit=more work, but from the current perspective is people paying 3 times more for little but out of date, harder to use, $20 more per year for updates...ugh. The 3 times better computer and bigger screen and more uses can only go so far in these markets.
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I actually hope not. I like my OS to be consistent in style and it seems that Mavericks is going to do just that with the removal of most skeuomorphic effects. Since we are not expecting a style 
overhaul with Mavericks, I do not want to see anything that looks like iOS 7. 

Agree. OSX should be OSX. Don't try to iOSnizes it. Not good with iOS 6.. And not good with iOS 7 either.
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Agree. OSX should be OSX. Don't try to iOSnizes it. Not good with iOS 6.. And not good with iOS 7 either.

Your reply has nothing to do with my initial comment. I want the bubble Aqua look in OS X to go away which has nothing to do with turning OS X into iOS.
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After using iOS 7, every other OS on earth looks old and slow, OSX included.

 

It needs iOSification, clearly. Just because Windows and Ubuntu suck it doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't be pushing harder.

Yes, the usual suspects will complain, but once again, Apple should just show them the middle finger.

 

iOS, has a platform, is the most powerful OS ever created. What an awesome ecosystem. It's time to change OSX's UI.

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I think I'll wait for the GM though. I need rock solid stability to get work done

As you should. Putting a beta version on a production machine is the most stupid thing anyone can do.
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