or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Software › Mac OS X › Apple releases OS X 10.9 Mavericks Golden Master to developers
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Apple releases OS X 10.9 Mavericks Golden Master to developers - Page 2

post #41 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmcavoy2 View Post

Do I have to do a clean install? It is not showing up in the App Store updates, but I have an new iPhoto seed, and had 2 identical MBA updates yesterday.

 

Are you a Mac developer? If so I believe it shows up in purchases or smtn - not updates on this occasion.

Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Reply
post #42 of 78

I am. Never had a problem before, maybe they are just testing my patience.

post #43 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I have access to more than nothing though. I have the information at hand and my instincts. Though not always right it is important to listen to them.

Sure, but there is a difference between saying what a company should do and what you think might be a good move and something they may finally do. I've made the mention of how it would benefit Apple and users if they made OS X free but I won't repost them since imt1 posted them above, but will include that getting more users not the same OS lowers Apple's support costs and 3rd-party developer costs. imt1 points out how it makes sense, but does not say Apple should do this or that Apple will do this. It's a plausible scenario for many reasons but it doesn't help your position to post it as fact.
post #44 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post
 

Looking forward to 10.9.3. It's usually the most stable release.

 

Aside from one kernel panic around DP2, this has been a rock-solid beta on both the machines I've been testing it on, and I've been using it exclusively for months. I think folks are going to be pleased with Mavericks.

post #45 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmcavoy2 View Post

Do I have to do a clean install? It is not showing up in the App Store updates, but I have an new iPhoto seed, and had 2 identical MBA updates yesterday.

 

Log in to the portal and check for a redemption code.

post #46 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by djames4242 View Post
 

 

Log in to the portal and check for a redemption code.

 

Also, FWIW, I didn't see the GM downloading in the App Store after redeeming the new code. I had to quit App Store, and then after relaunching it I saw it show up under Purchases as downloading (and yes, it's a 5.29gb file).

 

Now then, when is the Server.app GM going to be released? ;-)

 


EDIT: According to the forums, you don't need to quit and relaunch App Store. Apparently you can CMD-R on the purchases tab. Who knew???


Edited by djames4242 - 10/4/13 at 9:12am
post #47 of 78

I just hope there are no WiFi connection issues this time around.

post #48 of 78
Originally Posted by aelegg View Post
 

I don't think I can expect Mavericks to run on our late-2008 MacBook, bought very-early 09.

You know, the MacBook with the Aluminum Unibody that wasn't a "Pro", and didn't have sD card reader? 

[...]

It is Unibody but has easy HD/battery access through a panel.  500 GB HD for $150 when we did it, and when we doubled RAM to 4GB it was.....$27 from Crucial.

 

 

That's the one I have.  Late 2008, 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo, first-gen aluminum unibody.

It's a MacBook Pro, the last one to have a removable battery.

It had a long-standing power management issue ever since Snow Leopard, fixed in Mavericks.

 

I expected Mavericks to run poorly on it, since it's near the trailing edge of supported hardware.

But Mavericks makes it feel much faster, both in rendering speed and in virtual memory disk swapping.

ML felt like Apple had abandoned older hardware, but Mavericks gives my old MBP one more year of life.

(My mid-2007 iMac runs Mavericks just fine too.)

Sent from my iPhone Simulator

Reply

Sent from my iPhone Simulator

Reply
post #49 of 78
As great as Mavericks will be, I'm already looking forward to 10.10 or X.X or X2 or Sea Goat or whatever it'll be called!

It's time for OS X to get the iOS 7-style complete user interface overhaul. This doesn't mean it should look like iOS 7, though I am envisaging a flatter, more fluid and futuristic look that will complement retina-class displays across the entire lineup. Edit: I really love the translucent, white frosted glass backgrounds in iOS 7. I really hope they use these as the basis for backgrounds in OS XI.

Ever since 10.0 OS X's UI has been in a constant state of flux and consistency has oftentimes been lacking. Changes to the UI have tended to be iterative and though 10.9 looks fairly different to 10.0 it's starting to feel dated in the way iOS 6 did.

I'm sure they're working on it as we speak!
Edited by s.metcalf - 10/6/13 at 8:45am
post #50 of 78
Originally Posted by s.metcalf View Post
As great as Mavericks will be, I'm already looking forward to 10.10 or X.X or X2 or Sea Goat or whatever it'll be called!

 

OS XI.

 
It's time for OS X to get the iOS 7-style complete user interface overhaul.

 

I’d prefer a complete UX overhaul. UI’s easy. 

 

Multitouch for the desktop.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #51 of 78

Does the Maverick Golden Master include support for TB2?

post #52 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCodger73 View Post

Does the Maverick Golden Master include support for TB2?

It has to since we know the Mac Pro will include TB2.
post #53 of 78
Originally Posted by akqies View Post
It has to since we know the Mac Pro will include TB2.

 

Not really. The Mac Pro can easily get a custom build of the OS.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #54 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I don't think they're rushing it, the previous builds have been quite stable. But I agree those Macs will probably be out soon.

My hope is that the new MBP will have Thunderbolt 2 ports, and so will work with the 4K Cinema Display that will come out with the new Mac Pro.
Almost garanteed, the Mac book pros right now are trying to be a hardware above a IMac, but obviosly well below a Mac Pro, the MacBook Airs are trying to be above a Mac mini but smaller than others
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post
 

it will be $20 as usual.

That's all I have to say about that...

 

​Considering practically each new release is priced less-and-less as time goes on I don't quite see where you are pulling that "as usual" $20 figure from with a foolish confidence.

 

Leopard was $129

Snow Leopard was $29

Lion was $29

Mountain Lion was $20

 

It's safe to say given that they have now moved to a yearly release cycle for OS X versions and for the first time in living memory have yet to announce a price, they may have a new way of doing things in the works. And then considering most of the new additions in Mavericks are under the hood it's probable to gestimate that Mavericks could be free.

 

That, my friend, is called reason.

$10 my estimate, remember IOS started at $5(for iPods) $20 is something that Microsoft already hates however (unfortunately for them no one wants windows 8).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

If ever there was a time to do this.  Now, with a 75 million+ installed base, is the time to do it.

Especially as they jacked the entry price of the entry iMac to £1145 inc vat?  (and it has integrated crappics at that.  No DVD player as well.  Cheeky beggars...)

Lemon Bon Bon.
Dvd player should still be in Mac Pro, Mac mini (if they drop $50 for it that would be ok), IMac (rather than thinning the edges add the DVD back in so it is that thin.
Quote:
Originally Posted by focher View Post

It also said 5.29 GB to me. However, at about 1.1 GB it "finished" downloading and kicked off the installer. I suspect that the App Store saw that I was already on DP 8 and did just download the differential needed.
or like IOS it says more than is, do to needed memory.
post #55 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Not really. The Mac Pro can easily get a custom build of the OS.

You say "not really" then back up my point by saying it would be in the OS. There is no way around it. If the Mac Pro will have TB2 then OS X on the Mac Pro will support TB2, unless you're saying Apple would add the HW but then offer no drivers or higher-level SW support. Does that sounds like something Apple will do? I don't think so. I expect the next MacBook Pros to also support TB2 which would explain their delay.
post #56 of 78
Apple just has to announce the availability of the Mac Pro for orders, and I'll be first in line to get it!1biggrin.gif
post #57 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by akqies View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Not really. The Mac Pro can easily get a custom build of the OS.

You say "not really" then back up my point by saying it would be in the OS. There is no way around it. If the Mac Pro will have TB2 then OS X on the Mac Pro will support TB2, unless you're saying Apple would add the HW but then offer no drivers or higher-level SW support. Does that sounds like something Apple will do? I don't think so. I expect the next MacBook Pros to also support TB2 which would explain their delay.

I agree with TS as it wouldn't be the first time. Look up 10.2.7 (Blackrider, Smeagol) and why it as never released to the general public.
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
post #58 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by rtamesis View Post

Apple just has to announce the availability of the Mac Pro for orders, and I'll be first in line to get it!1biggrin.gif

I can't find it. Link?
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
post #59 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

I agree with TS as it wouldn't be the first time. Look up 10.2.7 (Blackrider, Smeagol) and why it as never released to the general public.

That's no different than all new first run HW that comes out at the same time or after an OS ships. It's still in the OS if it's on that OS that is on the device. There is only on example of Apple shipping HW that it did not include SW support for at launch.
post #60 of 78

I can't say I care whether it's $20.00 or free but I am certainly looking forward to it. I suppose we non-developers will have to wait to see what all these under-the-hood changes are. OpenGL is one… The others?

AppleInsider = Apple-in-cider. It's a joke!

I've used macs since 1985 when I typed up my first research paper. Never used anything else never wanted to.
Reply
AppleInsider = Apple-in-cider. It's a joke!

I've used macs since 1985 when I typed up my first research paper. Never used anything else never wanted to.
Reply
post #61 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post
 

it will be $20 as usual.

That's all I have to say about that...

 

​Considering practically each new release is priced less-and-less as time goes on I don't quite see where you are pulling that "as usual" $20 figure from with a foolish confidence.

 

Leopard was $129

Snow Leopard was $29

Lion was $29

Mountain Lion was $20

 

It's safe to say given that they have now moved to a yearly release cycle for OS X versions and for the first time in living memory have yet to announce a price, they may have a new way of doing things in the works. And then considering most of the new additions in Mavericks are under the hood it's probable to gestimate that Mavericks could be free.

 

That, my friend, is called reason.

 

foolish confidense? you are the fool for thinking they should give it all away for free. Wont happen-except on newly purchased macs of course. $20 is  a very good guess. Thats all I have to say about that (Forrest Gump) sheesh....

android sucks, but not as much as the people who come here to defend it.

New for MS dorks - Microsoft sucks just as much as the losers that come to AI to defend it

Reply

android sucks, but not as much as the people who come here to defend it.

New for MS dorks - Microsoft sucks just as much as the losers that come to AI to defend it

Reply
post #62 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by akqies View Post


It has to since we know the Mac Pro will include TB2.

 

Right now, the new Mac Pro is vaporware. We've seen the prototype machine at the August presentation and Apple has a slick webpage on its site. Until Apple announces the price and availability date it remains vaporware. While we're hoping that the announcement will come when Maverick is released there's no guarantee and the initial release of Maverick doesn't necessarily need to include TB2 support, that can be added in a .2. .3 or other release to the system software.

 

So the reason I asked the question was in hopes that someone who actually had the Golden Master would know and wouldn't be bound to any confidentiality clause and could respond.

post #63 of 78
Originally Posted by akqies View Post
You say "not really" then back up my point by saying it would be in the OS.

 

No, please read it again. I did nothing of the sort. It doesn’t have to be in the GM, or even the release version (since they’re sometimes different).

 

The Mac Pro can very easily get its own build, specific to IT and IT alone, that includes Thunderbolt 2 support. The build can be identical to that of the other builds except support for Thunderbolt 2 (and the rest of the Mac Pro’s specific hardware). 

 
If the Mac Pro will have TB2 then OS X on the Mac Pro will support TB2, unless you're saying Apple would add the HW but then offer no drivers or higher-level SW support.

 

Apparently something at which I’m still not worthlessly abysmal is coming up with more than one answer to a question. Also, apparently absolutely no one else can wrap their heads around this concept. It’s really strange. :???:


Having said that, no, that’s not the only option. It’s conceivable that 10.9 won’t have unified Thunderbolt 2 support across all models (even those that don’t support it) until there is a 10.9.x update released after the start of sale of the Mac(Book) Pro.

 

Say 10.9.0 comes out this month at a point before the release of either of those models. It could very well just support existing Macs while work could continue on those two. Then when they are released, the build number would be different, as it would include the drivers specific to those models of computer. Then 10.9.1 is released–say, before the end of the year–with everything, including the drivers for machines that don’t have whatever new hardware. 

 
I expect the next MacBook Pros to also support TB2 which would explain their delay. 

 

Bingo; that’s exactly what I was thinking.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #64 of 78
TS post above ^

Exactly!
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
post #65 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by seltzdesign View Post


I couldn't agree more. I often see people with older Macs that are clearly still running the same major version of OS X that the computer came with. They're often completely unaware or it doesn't occur to them that they can buy an update that'll very likely improve performance significantly, even on older hardware. That or they can't see the point in paying anything considering their computer still works the way it did when they bought it and they don't want to risk upgrading because they're scared about doing something to their computer that they don't understand.

Most people do understand how to check for updates that are available in the 'Check for software updates' menu item and are comfortable installing that way. If Apple were to push an update out for free through there then I bet they'd see a massive uptake and adoption rate and make Windows 8 look like an even bigger failure in comparison.

Now is definitely the time to do it. By doing so Mavericks would have the fastest adoption rate of OS X by far. It's not like they can't afford to.

They can return to charging people for the next version which will have a new iOS 7 style UI, something that most people will see and want to pay for, not just the nerds that read and post on AI! 1wink.gif
Edited by s.metcalf - 10/6/13 at 9:15am
post #66 of 78
Mavericks is definitely more RAM hungry. My 8 GB MacBook Pro used to stay in a non rebooted state for weeks using less than 4 GB. These days, after a couple of days use, it's already using virtual memory and swap space. What gives? Perhaps a fresh install would be advisable for the GM (downloading now) as so far I've only been doing updates and my system is definitely due a fresh install.

There's a few minor things I don't like (including the memory issues) but on the whole it is definitely a nice improvement from a functionality perspective, over previous releases. Now all they need to do is get those new MacBooks out the door and start working on overhauling the UI more in line with iOS. I'm talking about icons and notifications etc. at the moment it looks a bit ridiculous having one style on iOS and a completely style for the same icons and apps on Mac OS. Look at game centre for example. The mac version still has the crappy felt background.
post #67 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roly View Post

Mavericks is definitely more RAM hungry. My 8 GB MacBook Pro used to stay in a non rebooted state for weeks using less than 4 GB. These days, after a couple of days use, it's already using virtual memory and swap space. What gives? Perhaps a fresh install would be advisable for the GM (downloading now) as so far I've only been doing updates and my system is definitely due a fresh install.

 

Are you still seeing this with the GM? I've not noticed this myself, but it's not uncommon for Apple to leave code in the DPs (likewise during pre-GM iOS betas) to increase logging and perform other monitoring to assist in development and debugging. This additional debugging code can certainly slow down performance and increase memory utilization.

 

One thing I've noticed with Mavericks is that it seems to use less memory, probably due to how it compresses memory utilized by sleeping processes. This should have the effect of speeding up performance, especially on systems using traditional HDDs for swap. Those of us using SSDs for the boot partition shouldn't notice much difference, although it should certainly increase the lifespan of the SSD boot drive as less read/write cycles would be theoretically used due to decreased paging activity.

post #68 of 78

Ideally you want the computer to be using all it's physical memory at all times right? That would mean that when there's memory pressure it has somehow avoided swap (e.g. by using compression), and when there's no memory pressure it's levering the spare memory by doing as much caching as possible.

post #69 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by djames4242 View Post

Are you still seeing this with the GM? I've not noticed this myself, but it's not uncommon for Apple to leave code in the DPs (likewise during pre-GM iOS betas) to increase logging and perform other monitoring to assist in development and debugging. This additional debugging code can certainly slow down performance and increase memory utilization.

One thing I've noticed with Mavericks is that it seems to use less memory, probably due to how it compresses memory utilized by sleeping processes. This should have the effect of speeding up performance, especially on systems using traditional HDDs for swap. Those of us using SSDs for the boot partition shouldn't notice much difference, although it should certainly increase the lifespan of the SSD boot drive as less read/write cycles would be theoretically used due to decreased paging activity.

I've not yet installed the GM as I'm on a business trip and just wanted to wait until the weekend. I'm also using an SSD so anything that increased its life is also a good thing. I reckon a clean install of the GM isy best net.
post #70 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

OS XI.

It looks like that would rather be OS X 10.10 Syrah.

post #71 of 78
Originally Posted by PB View Post
It looks like that would rather be OS X 10.10 Syrah.

 

Why, when I’m not talking about OS X at all? It can use whatever numbers it wants: I’m talking about what comes after it.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #72 of 78

The GM still has a few important bugs regarding Finder and Mission Control, carried over from DP8. Strange. Hopefully a second GM build will fix that before actual launch.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #73 of 78

I hope the calendar in 10.9 is as good as the one that was in 10.6. I don't know why Apple 'fixed' the snooze button and why they added that ugly wood grain header to it. 

 

If anybody here has used the new calendar in 10.9, I'd like to know if it has the snooze options similar (or the same as) to what was in 10.6 (my favorite Apple OS so far).

post #74 of 78

So got sick of waiting for public release and just updated to the GM today. Everything went flawlessly, performance seems slightly improved. Other than the new front facing apps (maps and books) most of the changes are under the hood, and everything else is extremely subtle. Can't complain, since it improves on an already incredibly solid foundation, and the performance, battery life, and iOS integration improvements are all nice. 

post #75 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post
 

 

Why, when I’m not talking about OS X at all? It can use whatever numbers it wants: I’m talking about what comes after it.

Listen up, no one is or has to be inside your mind. When you answer to a user comment about next versions of OS X by just quoting "OS XI" without adding a single word, you imply that you too talk about OS X. And as of now, the rumor says OS X v10.10 after Mavericks (which is OS X v10.9).

 

Also, I don't see the meaning of the second part of your post. What do you mean when you first quote "OS XI" and then that this refers to "what comes after"?

post #76 of 78
Originally Posted by PB View Post
When you answer to a user comment about next versions of OS X by just quoting "OS XI" without adding a single word, you imply that you too talk about OS X.

 

By saying OS XI, I’m explicitly not talking about OS X, because he isn’t, either. The UX update that makes the desktop multitouch won’t be an OS X-based update. The Macintosh didn’t run the Apple ][’s software when it was released, after all. 

 

Also, I don't see the meaning of the second part of your post. What do you mean when you first quote "OS XI" and then that this refers to "what comes after"?

 

What comes after in the development sense. OS X will be iterated further, sure. I’m pretty confident that the next one will be versioned 10.10. But if we’re talking about the full-on UX update that ends the Macintosh line, that’s something else entirely.

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply

Originally posted by Marvin

Even if [the 5.5” iPhone] exists, it doesn’t deserve to.
Reply
post #77 of 78

I'm a bit nervous about this. I've been running the Gold Master version on my MacBook Pro 2011 for about 3 days, and I've had non-stop kernel panics. I've been trying to figure out the trigger, but it's happening all over the place. Playing music seems to be a big one though!

post #78 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesmcd View Post

I'm a bit nervous about this. I've been running the Gold Master version on my MacBook Pro 2011 for about 3 days, and I've had non-stop kernel panics. I've been trying to figure out the trigger, but it's happening all over the place. Playing music seems to be a big one though!

The Stones' Start Me Up?
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
"Fibonacci: As easy as 1, 1, 2, 3..."
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mac OS X
AppleInsider › Forums › Software › Mac OS X › Apple releases OS X 10.9 Mavericks Golden Master to developers