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Cupertino's flagship iPhone 5s was the best-selling smartphone for all four major U.S. carriers ??AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and T-mobile ??while the new iPhone 5c followed closely behind, according to new tracking data.

Canaccord Genuity September 2013 survey results
The smartphone market shifted wildly following Apple's September iPhone refresh | Source: Canaccord Genuity monthly wireless store surveys


Apple's new flagship iPhone 5s and mid-range iPhone 5c were both among the top three sellers for the big four United States wireless carriers in September, investment bank Canaccord Genuity said Friday. The Touch ID-enabled iPhone 5s and new, colorful iPhone 5c took first and second place, respectively, for AT&T and Sprint but the iPhone 5c was pushed down one notch by Samsung's Galaxy S4 at Verizon and T-Mobile retailers.

The new iPhones vaulted Apple back atop the leader board as the top-selling smartphone vendor in the United States in September, a position held by Samsung for the preceding three months. Helping the company along were reportedly healthy sales of the three-year-old iPhone 4S, which customers can get for free on a two-year contract.

Canaccord notes that their research showed "very strong initial sales and back orders for the iPhone 5s and strong iPhone 5c sales" in both the U.S. and international markets. The devices launched to record-breaking sales numbers in their late September opening weekend and demand still far outstrips supply for the iPhone 5s.

The bank believes that Samsung's upcoming Note 3, which has polarized technology journalists and consumers alike with reports of benchmark cheating and region locking, "should compete very well" against Apple's handsets. The future looks much more bleak for smaller competitors like HTC, BlackBerry, and Motorola, all three of whom Canaccord believes gave up share in the "high-tier smartphone market" to Apple.

According to the report, September brought "very weak" demand for HTC's flagship HTC One, while the Taiwanese company posted the first quarterly loss in its history earlier Friday. The story was similar for BlackBerry, which saw "very soft" sales of its new Z10 and Q10, and Motorola, where sales for its refreshed Droid lineup declined after Apple's new iPhones became available.
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But, but, but, but..... no one's buying the 5C? Apple simply stuffed the channels. /s
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Got but but but crap.

Let's see who be will be the doom doom douche.
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I expect AAPL to drop a few more points on this terrible news. 

 

There is a sea of green out there, virtually every damn tech stock is up today, but AAPL? Nope, you'd almost think that it was the worst damn performing company in the entire world, and should be avoided like the plague.  I don't think that the weekly options casino game is doing AAPL any good at all. AAPL is the biggest cap company around, so there's a lot of money at stake, so it's more important for the MM's to pin AAPL at certain levels, than it is for them to control and manipulate smaller stocks.

 

All this damn green, and look at who is red? How surprising! Not!

 

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I still think the iPhone 5C will be a huge hit this holiday season. Instead of buying 1 phone for $199, you can get 2 for that price and I think that's huge to parents who have children that want an iPhone, but are on a budget for Christmas spending. Plus, they can pick out a color, a case, etc. 

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Finally. Some actual stats.

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When will some of us ever get our 5s? I ordered a gold one as soon as I could which was about 30 minutes after they went on sale online and still am seeing a 4 to 6 week estimate on shipping. Had I known it would take that long I would have ordered a different color and been using it by now.  I hope Apple can speed things up a bit because that is a very long time to wait. 

 

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A more interesting stat will be how they does against other phones in October.
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I'm surprised the Galaxy S4 is still selling as strongly as it is. I don't see what's so attractive about it.
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Finally. Some actual stats.

 

only the brainless thought the 5C would not sell

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the 5c is going to sell well, and it will continue to sell next year as well. I think it was designed for the long haul for those who don't care about the latest and greatest, but still demand a great phone.
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I'm surprised the Galaxy S4 is still selling as strongly as it is. I don't see what's so attractive about it.

 

massive advertising

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But, but, but, but..... no one's buying the 5C? Apple simply stuffed the channels. /s

 

Since it's September sales and the phone went on sale on the 20th, a lot of the 5c sales could be legitimate channel refilling. We'll see in October. The 5c is widely available and Best Buy just announced a promotion on it, which is unusual so early. My guess is that it is selling OK (about as well as the 5 would have if Apple had stayed true to form), but not as well as Apple would have liked.

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Since it's September sales and the phone went on sale on the 20th, a lot of the 5c sales could be legitimate channel refilling. We'll see in October. The 5c is widely available and Best Buy just announced a promotion on it, which is unusual so early. My guess is that it is selling OK (about as well as the 5 would have if Apple had stayed true to form), but not as well as Apple would have liked.

 

go jump off a cliff.

 

The stats are as clear as day yet you still don't want to give the 5c any credit. You say wait till Oct.  If they have great sales in Oct you will say wait till Nov.....

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... healthy sales of the three-year-old iPhone 4S ...

 

The 4S is two years old.  October 2011 release.

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only the brainless thought the 5C would not sell

 

I didn't see anyone saying that the 5c would not sell.

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I expect AAPL to drop a few more points on this terrible news. 


All this damn green, and look at who is red? How surprising! Not!
Why are you wrapped around the stock price? Do you plan to sell? Do you fear a margin call? If not, then collect the quarterly dividend, watch the dividend grow every year, and be happy.
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The future looks much more bleak for smaller competitors like HTC, BlackBerry, and Motorola, all three of whom Canaccord believes gave up share in the "high-tier smartphone market" to Apple.

I guess Samsnug is relegated to the middle market.
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It's easy to see no one wants Apple products anymore. With all these price cuts Apple's demand MUST be declining as consumers look to more popular devices such as the Galaxy Gear, S4, and Note 3! With their Quad Core processors and 3GB of Ram, Double battery size, better screen, and Android's freedom it's easy to see why... Apple is doomed!

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I still think the iPhone 5C will be a huge hit this holiday season. Instead of buying 1 phone for $199, you can get 2 for that price and I think that's huge to parents who have children that want an iPhone, but are on a budget for Christmas spending. Plus, they can pick out a color, a case, etc. 

 

It doesn't work that way. You have to pay for an additional line an additional voice plan, and an increase in the data plan (if you're using a family plan). 

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go jump off a cliff.

 

The stats are as clear as day yet you still don't want to give the 5c any credit. You say wait till Oct.  If they have great sales in Oct you will say wait till Nov.....

 

What stats? Apple hasn't and likely won't release a product split. Most of the activation data that's been posted suggests extremely high demand for the 5s. Plus, the 5c is being discounted already at places like Best Buy, which has precedent. In January, Best Buy ran a $200 promotion on the rMBP. A month later, Apple came out with a minor refresh and slashed the price. This could be Apple doing the same thing. The 5s will sell itself because it's the latest and greatest. If you notice, almost all the advertising out there is for the 5c. Apple is trying to expand its market, and it isn't yet clear if they've succeeded in doing so. If it turns out that the 5c draws people in and they leave with the 5s, that's great. But even in that case they'll need to normalize production of the 5c.

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A more interesting stat will be how they does against other phones in October.

 

I don't think there is any question that the 5s will remain in top spot.

 

It will be interesting if the 5c can retain 2nd spot when on sale for the entire month.

 

The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is being released in October. I wonder if it will climb to number 2 or 3.

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As far as 5C sales, this news isn't at all impressive. But I'm sure Apple is happy that the more expensive higher margin 5S is selling better than the 5C.

 

With all of the marketing dollars and ads for the 5C one would think it would be selling at a higher rate than the 5S, but I guess the cost savings of $100 isn't enough to make the 5C a more attractive option for buyers over the 5S.

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It doesn't work that way. You have to pay for an additional line an additional voice plan, and an increase in the data plan (if you're using a family plan).

 

True, but the carriers are pushing shared plans right now. A lot more people might be tempted to add a line.

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As far as 5C sales, this news isn't at all impressive. But I'm sure Apple is happy that the more expensive higher margin 5S is selling better than the 5C.

 

With all of the marketing dollars and ads for the 5C one would think it would be selling at a higher rate than the 5S, but I guess the cost savings of $100 isn't enough to make the 5C a more attractive option for buyers over the 5S.

 

Higher rate than the 5s? Really? No.

 

Better than the S4? Yes.

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As far as 5C sales, this news isn't at all impressive. But I'm sure Apple is happy that the more expensive higher margin 5S is selling better than the 5C.

With all of the marketing dollars and ads for the 5C one would think it would be selling at a higher rate than the 5S, but I guess the cost savings of $100 isn't enough to make the 5C a more attractive option for buyers over the 5S.
But the 5S is the phone with new festures. Of course it's going to grab the early adopters. The 5C might outsell the 5S over the long run. More importantly Apple is starting to create a portfolio around the iPhone which I think is necessary.
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What stats? Apple hasn't and likely won't release a product split. Most of the activation data that's been posted suggests extremely high demand for the 5s. Plus, the 5c is being discounted already at places like Best Buy, which has precedent. In January, Best Buy ran a $200 promotion on the rMBP. A month later, Apple came out with a minor refresh and slashed the price. This could be Apple doing the same thing. The 5s will sell itself because it's the latest and greatest. If you notice, almost all the advertising out there is for the 5c. Apple is trying to expand its market, and it isn't yet clear if they've succeeded in doing so. If it turns out that the 5c draws people in and they leave with the 5s, that's great. But even in that case they'll need to normalize production of the 5c.

 

The #2 phone on the four major carriers while being out for only 2 weeks.  Sales are very strong for the 5C.

 

Again I ask: Why is the 5S $100 off on Virgin Mobile?  A sale, especially with a gift card does not mean sales are weak.

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I'm surprised the Galaxy S4 is still selling as strongly as it is. I don't see what's so attractive about it.

 

Well part of that mystery is that it was selling for 30 days of September, compared to 10 days of iPhone 5s/5c availability.

 

The other part is that Samsung’s entire business is based on spending billions to advertise for carriers, allowing it to eat up all the non-iPhone sales. So in ten days, Apple destroyed everyone else’s month, including the only Android maker to be making any money. 

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The #2 phone on the four major carriers while being out for only 2 weeks.  Sales are very strong for the 5C.

 

Again I ask: Why is the 5S $100 off on Virgin Mobile?  A sale, especially with a gift card does not mean sales are weak.

 

#2 phone on 2 of the four major carriers. Just to clarify.

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the 5c is going to sell well, and it will continue to sell next year as well. I think it was designed for the long haul for those who don't care about the latest and greatest, but still demand a great phone.
Exactly. I think all this hand wringing about iPhone 5C sales is silly.
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Why are you wrapped around the stock price? Do you plan to sell? Do you fear a margin call? If not, then collect the quarterly dividend, watch the dividend grow every year, and be happy.

 

The quarterly dividend means nothing to me, and I wouldn't even care if they got rid of it. Everybody has their own investment styles, and I'm damn glad that I didn't get stuck holding any AAPL when it was at it's peak last year. I'm very glad that I didn't go long last year, because I would be pretty pissed now, if I had bought at $600 or $700. I'm not going to get caught in that trap.

 

And to be honest, I am very skeptical about AAPL, not because I don't think that it's a great company, but because there's too much damn manipulation and shenanigans going on.

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The #2 phone on the four major carriers while being out for only 2 weeks.  Sales are very strong for the 5C.

Again I ask: Why is the 5S $100 off on Virgin Mobile?  A sale, especially with a gift card does not mean sales are weak.
Are people not aware of loss leaders or using sales to drive traffic to stores? Of course the media is going to spin this as the 5C isn't selling because its their job to push FUD and D&G for Apple.
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the 5c is going to sell well, and it will continue to sell next year as well. I think it was designed for the long haul for those who don't care about the latest and greatest, but still demand a great phone.

 

I keep thinking that the holiday season will define the 5c.

 

If a lot of younger people get the phone as a gift it could very well take off as a 'cool' object to own. Hell, buy two or three to cover your various moods.

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Are people not aware of loss leaders or using sales to drive traffic to stores? Of course the media is going to spin this as the 5C isn't selling because its their job to push FUD and D&G for Apple.

 

Actually, there are three reasons for sales:

 

1. To bring traffic into the store. Selling 5 or 6 popular items at a lower price than the popular competitor will attract new customers.

2. To get rid of overstock.

3. Dealer driven sale (complete with spiffs for the retailer)

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The #2 phone on the four major carriers while being out for only 2 weeks.  Sales are very strong for the 5C.

 

Again I ask: Why is the 5S $100 off on Virgin Mobile?  A sale, especially with a gift card does not mean sales are weak.

 

Because Virgin Mobile is just Sprint's prepaid brand and they do gimmicks like that all the time. They are wholly owned by Sprint, but lack access to their roaming agreements. So it's just like being on Sprint, only worse.

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As far as 5C sales, this news isn't at all impressive. But I'm sure Apple is happy that the more expensive higher margin 5S is selling better than the 5C.

With all of the marketing dollars and ads for the 5C one would think it would be selling at a higher rate than the 5S, but I guess the cost savings of $100 isn't enough to make the 5C a more attractive option for buyers over the 5S.

Who in their right mind would expect the 5C to outsell the 5S? The 5S is the latests phone with all the new features. Early adopters (who tend to buy on opening weekend) are going to heavily prefer that. The 5C is basically last year's technology. The people who wanted that could have bought an iPhone 5 any time during the past year.

NIEVER has a previous generation phone outsold the newest one. It would be insane to expect it to.
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I keep thinking that the holiday season will define the 5c.

 

If a lot of younger people get the phone as a gift it could very well take off as a 'cool' object to own. Hell, buy two or three to cover your various moods.

 

At $550 unsubsidized, I doubt people will buy 2 or 3. At $450, I could see it as a second phone.

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Who in their right mind would expect the 5C to outsell the 5S? The 5S is the latests phone with all the new features. Early adopters (who tend to buy on opening weekend) are going to heavily prefer that. The 5C is basically last year's technology. The people who wanted that could have bought an iPhone 5 any time during the past year.

NIEVER has a previous generation phone outsold the newest one. It would be insane to expect it to.

 

It's not being marketed as a "previous generation phone," though. It's sort of like the Moto X. Google isn't calling it "last year's technology" even though it is. Both are devices marketed as new to people who don't need or care about the latest technology but want a "new" phone. It's entirely possible that over time, the 5c and its successors become the volume sellers. Most of Samsung's volume is at the low end, though virtually all their profits are from the Galaxy line. Apple doesn't want to go to that extreme, but they might want to go from selling 25-50 million phones each quarter (based on cyclicality) to selling 40-70 million.

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The 5c must be selling ok, because I just got an email from Ebay's daily deals in my inbox for an iPhone 5c. I clicked on the link to see what kind of deal they're offering, and it's an amazing 3% off, for a price of $535! :lol: 

 

2311 people are looking at it per hour, and the limit is one phone per customer. They do have all five colors available.

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It doesn't work that way. You have to pay for an additional line an additional voice plan, and an increase in the data plan (if you're using a family plan). 

 

That's not entirely true. You don't pay for an additional voice plan when you add phones to your account on the family plan. All you pay is just the additional line fee, which is $40 on Verizon. 

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