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Former iOS chief Scott Forstall may testify in upcoming Apple v. Samsung retrial

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Apple's former head of iOS Scott Forstall, along with current SVP of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller, may be called to testify in the company's forthcoming retrial over $450 million worth of damages from Samsung.

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Former Apple executive Scott Forstall (left) and current SVP of Worldwide Marketing Phil Schiller.


The two marquee executives were mentioned in a list of potential witnesses appended to a pretrial conference statement filed by Apple on Friday. According to the document, Apple may call on Schiller, Forstall, and other high ranking employees and experts during an upcoming retrial over damages previously vacated by Apple v. Samsung presiding Judge Lucy Koh.

Apple and Samsung are slated to meet once again on Nov. 12 at the Northern California District Courthouse to hash out a retrial over 14 Samsung products alleged to infringe on Apple's design and utility patents. Judge Koh vacated the original Apple v. Samsung jury's decision on those specific devices due to apparent uncertainty over the amount of damages that should be attributable to an individual intellectual property right. In total, the vacated claims deducted over $450 million from Apple's $1.05 billion win.

If Apple ultimately elects to call on Schiller to testify, he will be the highest ranking current Apple executive to do so. Schiller previously took the stand last year as the trial wound down.

Perhaps more interesting than a reprise appearance from Schiller is the possibility that ousted iOS head Forstall may also take the stand at the retrial.

After being booted from the company one year ago, not much has been heard of the former iOS chief. Forstall was a polarizing character at Apple with a supposedly assertive demeanor, a trait that may have contributed to his firing.

During the Apple v. Samsung trial, Forstall's name showed up on a rolling list of witnesses and he was tentatively scheduled to testify after Schiller toward the end of the proceedings. He never made it to the stand.

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Judge Lucy Koh is a real piece of work. The jury nailed Samsung to the wall, but then this judge vacates the finding on her own. Why bother having a jury if the judge is just going to make up her own mind? I'm glad there's a retrial. Now I just want to read about any sanctions or suspensions for Judge Lucy Koh. Maybe she needs to go back to judge school.
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Apple should object to any Samsung counsel's requests, cite Grewal and refuse to submit any confidential information to anyone but the judge.
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Man. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into some type of smackdown match in the courtroom between Scott and the rest of the Apple team...
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Awkwaaaard...
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Man. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into some type of smackdown match in the courtroom between Scott and the rest of the Apple team...
Hopefully not. It was his own fault he got fired anyways. They're STILL fixing his crap. Although I imagine maps aren't the EASIEST thing to get right..
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Man. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into some type of smackdown match in the courtroom between Scott and the rest of the Apple team...

It said that Apple was the one calling him to testify so I would assume that wouldn't happen. Also, I think Apple is still holding his last paycheck too.
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Man. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into some type of smackdown match in the courtroom between Scott and the rest of the Apple team...

 

It's not like he'll be passing by Tim Cook, Jony Ives, etc. if he is called to the stand just to be asked some questions.  It would just be Apple's legal representation and Samsung's and judge and jury.  All hype, no news here.

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It's not like he'll be passing by Tim Cook, Jony Ives, etc. if he is called to the stand just to be asked some questions.  It would just be Apple's legal representation and Samsung's and judge and jury.  All hype, no news here.
Yep good click bait and not much else.
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Apple should object to any Samsung counsel's requests, cite Grewal and refuse to submit any confidential information to anyone but the judge.
Now that Samsung has been caught it will be even easier for Apple to oppose any Samsung motions to look at confidential Apple data (sales figures, license agreements, source code...).
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I predict Scott Forstall will be hired as the VP of Software for Windows Phone & Surface.

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I predict Scott Forstall will be hired as the VP of Software for Windows Phone & Surface.

 

Good. Windows needs more wood grain and green felt.

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Awkwaaaard...

 

I think you are assuming Scott Forstall somehow switched allegiances and hates Apple. If so, where's the proof of that? Is he now carrying a Samsung Galaxy S4 in his pocket? Is he on CNN praising Microsoft Surface RT?

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I think you are assuming Scott Forstall somehow switched allegiances and hates Apple. If so, where's the proof of that? Is he now carrying a Samsung Galaxy S4 in his pocket? Is he on CNN praising Microsoft Surface RT?

Exactly, what Apple person would ever do that .... oh wait a minute, who woz that .... ?
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Good. Windows needs more wood grain and green felt.

LOL, cruel but funny.
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It said that Apple was the one calling him to testify so I would assume that wouldn't happen. Also, I think Apple is still holding his last paycheck too.

 

In the State of California, you have to have their last check in their hands when you show them the door.

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Man. I certainly hope this doesn't turn into some type of smackdown match in the courtroom between Scott and the rest of the Apple team...

 

I really wish people who never worked with Scott and the rest at Apple would stop commenting on their relations. The man was a former colleague of mine and it truly is pathetic the myths behind the guy that ring very similar to the clap trap exaggerations that were Steveisms.

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Good. Windows needs more wood grain and green felt.

 

Steve was the one with the pension for Skeumorphism. Scott just took it too far.

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I really wish people who never worked with Scott and the rest at Apple would stop commenting on their relations. The man was a former colleague of mine and it truly is pathetic the myths behind the guy that ring very similar to the clap trap exaggerations that were Steveisms.

 

I, for one, would relish a bit of truth.

 

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I predict Scott Forstall will be hired as the VP of Software for Windows Phone & Surface.

I just don't understand why they had to let him go.

They could have still took iOS in the direction they wanted to with him on board and Tim could've just been the referee between him and Ive.

I believe he is a force in this industry and he could have still contributed I a big way to apple products.

I think this is the biggest mistake apple made since jobs passing.
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I just don't understand why they had to let him go.

They could have still took iOS in the direction they wanted to with him on board and Tim could've just been the referee between him and Ive.

I believe he is a force in this industry and he could have still contributed I a big way to apple products.

I think this is the biggest mistake apple made since jobs passing.

1) He certainly did outstanding work, not just looking at the '163 patent but many others as well.

2) Thanks Mikey for signing the article. The scribd link is very useful.
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I just don't understand why they had to let him go.

They could have still took iOS in the direction they wanted to with him on board and Tim could've just been the referee between him and Ive.

I believe he is a force in this industry and he could have still contributed I a big way to apple products.

I think this is the biggest mistake apple made since jobs passing.

My guess is it was either Scott goes or more than one of the other SVPs were threatening to leave. John Gruber claimed that even Phil Schiller didnt get along with Scott. So Tim might have been faced with either Scott goes or Bob and Jony leave. Or Bob, Jony and Phil leave. I don't have any inside knowledge, I'm just speculating.

Also, I get the feeling Scott was incredibly loyal to Steve. In many ways I think he was Steve's protégé. Perhaps Tim and the rest of the executive team felt it was time to move forward and Scott had difficulty doing that? Some of the rumors last year claimed he would often knock things down, saying its not what Steve would have wanted. Perhaps he had more difficulty dealing with the loss of Steve than the others did?
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I predict Scott Forstall will be hired as the VP of Software for Windows Phone & Surface.
And where would Joe Belfiore go?
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Scott may still be on Apple's payroll. I thought he was sticking around, but not actually given any responsibilities. It would be smart - keep Forstall unavailable to other companies for a year or so to prevent any leaks about upcoming projects from getting out. I'm not sued what that would cost Apple, but even a couple million might be worth it.
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Exactly, what Apple person would ever do that .... oh wait a minute, who woz that .... ?

Woz quit. Steve Jobs quit. Forstall was fired. Who hates Apple more: those who chose to leave or those who were asked to leave?

Think, people.

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Steve was the one with the pension for Skeumorphism. Scott just took it too far.

I know. It just sounded funny to say. Don't take it personally, unless you're Scott Forstall. And for the record, skeumorphism doesn't bother me.

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I predict Scott Forstall will be hired as the VP of Software for Windows Phone & Surface.

I wish everyone would stop assuming he hates Apple, without proof.

Your statement makes as much sense as saying Steve Ballmer, who is being forced out of his Microsoft CEO job, will soon be hired as CEO of Apple.

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Scott may still be on Apple's payroll. I thought he was sticking around, but not actually given any responsibilities. It would be smart - keep Forstall unavailable to other companies for a year or so to prevent any leaks about upcoming projects from getting out. I'm not sued what that would cost Apple, but even a couple million might be worth it.
But do you think Forstall would sign off on something like that? I can't imagine he'd want a paycheck for doing nothing. In Cook's internal email to employees he said Forstall would be leaving "next year", he never gave a specific date.
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I wish everyone would stop assuming he hates Apple, without proof.

Your statement makes as much sense as saying Steve Ballmer, who is being forced out of his Microsoft CEO job, will soon be hired as CEO of Apple.
We have no way of knowing what Forstall's feelings are about Apple right now. But things must have been pretty bad there towards the end. Apple's official press release didn't thank Forstall for anything and Cook's internal employee memo devoted one sentence to thanking him. Also I'm assuming Apple's decision to give the media access to Federighi and Ive together was deliberate (as is their intense focus on "collaboration"). A message is being sent without mentioning Forstall's name. I'll be curious to hear his side of the story, if he ever decides to tell it.
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We have no way of knowing what Forstall's feelings are about Apple right now. But things must have been pretty bad there towards the end. 

 

We have no way of knowing if the US government is hiding UFOs. But they're hiding something at Area 51. Let's jump to the conclusion that they're hiding crashed UFOs at Area 51.

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I wish everyone would stop assuming he hates Apple, without proof.

Your statement makes as much sense as saying Steve Ballmer, who is being forced out of his Microsoft CEO job, will soon be hired as CEO of Apple.

Who said Scott hates Apple? The guy is unemployed and is a talented developer of world-class operating systems for high-end smartphones. I could see Bill & Co. making him a very lucrative offer.

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And where would Joe Belfiore go?

Great question.

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Scott probably works for samsung.

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Here's hoping Forstall will have a chance to reinvent himself and accomplish the next great thing in his technology career.

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In the State of California, you have to have their last check in their hands when you show them the door.

I was employing understatement in my use of the term paycheck.
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Good. Windows needs more wood grain and green felt.

Haha! And a "Cards" app.
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plz god no

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Great question.
I don't think Microsoft's problem is a lack of talented engineers. And I'm not aware of Joe Belfiore (or Terry Myerson's) job being in jeopardy.
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