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Who the f are the insiders... Names please! Or take a hike!
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They may subsidize, but you need to understand China better.  Apple went to China Mobile, not the other way around.  China Mobile is state owned and NOBODY is going to dictate to them, hence the reason this deal is taking so long.  I suspect that the reason this deal is actually happening is because the MIIT (read government) has become concerned that Android is becoming too dominant and wants to try and even things out a bit.   

Oh I assure you I understand that China Mobile is a stern negotiator.  They not only have that in their culture, but CM is also the big gorilla of carriers and has been under scant pressure to bend (until recently... maybe).  And I will even go so far as to agree that Apple probably initiated first contact years ago.

 

But I believe that Apple, like China Mobile, came to the table with a healthy dose of negotiating points and a few "non-negotiable" ones.  This is not the same as believing Apple "dictated" the terms.  In other words BOTH parties stuck to their guns as best they could. Hence, as you say, the reason the deal is taking so long (along with other technical issues).  If only China Mobile were strong and Apple caved, then it would have been done long ago.

 

Based on the evidence we have at hand (other China Telcos adopting subsidies and cutting into China Mobile's high-end data users) as well as the pricing structure put forward by Apple on the 5C, my read is that the subsidy is one of Apple's points that was accepted by China Mobile.  And, let's face it, China Mobile wants to move these things too.  Hopefully in numbers that rival or surpass their competition.  Otherwise why bother making the deal in the first place?

 

I think that in Apple, China Mobile finally had an equally patient - and formidable - partner at the negotiating table.  What I wouldn't give for a transcript of all of those meetings!

 

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I agree.  If Apple really wanted to move the 5c's (which apparently they do from all the advertising they have for them) the price should have been $49 w/ contract or $499 off contract to begin with.  $49 is much more in the impulse purchase range and would have garnered a lot more attention from the masses without killing Apple's margins.  

 

Apple wants to sell as many as they can make of everything they sell. I think the 5c probably has lower margins than the 5s, so they would rather sell a 5s than a 5c, but it's probably easier to manufacture a 5c, because it's basically just an iPhone 5 (which they have a year of experience making) with a simpler-to-manufacture plastic body. They probably don't need to push the 5s as hard, because they are probably selling them about as fast as they can make them (according to recent reports) so they are focusing on pushing the 5c.

 

It only makes sense to compare the success of the 5c with the success of the 2nd-tier offering from last year, which was the 4s, taking into consideration the fact that you want to minimize cannibalization of sales that would otherwise have gone to the 5s. This would be hard to determine, but the fact that the 5s has remained in slightly limited supply would seem to indicate that weak 5s sales are not an issue.

 

Also, as others have noted, the 5c appears to be selling for $45-50 at Best Buy, Target and WalMart.

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I'll wait for the official numbers.

You'll be waiting for a long time, Apple never releases sales by model
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You'll be waiting for a long time, Apple never releases sales by model

Sure, but carriers often break down activations by model.
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It also runs better on my iPhone 4 than iOS6 did. Although, I am seeing a few (rare) crashes, but did not see any at all with iOS6.

 

iOS7 wrecked my iP4 (not "S"). I wish I could go back to 6. With 7, every single function is delayed by roughly two seconds. It's very, very frustrating to swipe and nothing happens, so I swipe again, only to then have it suddenly "catch up" and respond to the second swipe from the new page. Or press Skip and nothing happens, so I press it again and again and again then it suddenly clues in and skips four times.

 

The only crashes I've seen are when deleting files from the video player. They are not particularly disruptive. That part is fine.

 

The 4 just isn't enough computer for the demands imposed by iOS7.

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Hey I am here to amuse you lol.

Ok I'll be decisive:  He is flat out wrong. 

Apple will show great numbers for the 5C in the holiday quarter.

I agree. In fact, I expect the 5C to outsell the Mocrosoft XBox One, the MS Surfaces, AND the MS/Nokia phone combined during the holiday season. You can even throw the Nintendo WII sales number into that pile of MS crap too.

Those who buy the 5c would have bought the one-year-old iPhone 5 this season, not something better. Instead they get a refreshed product with the same specs.

The big *PLUS* here is that Apple made it more exciting for the kiddies - the REAL recipients of the holiday largess. Apple expects big things this holiday season. Watch those 5c ads begin to evolve during November...
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They should have upgraded the specs to be close to the 5S. No one is going to upgrade to a 5C if it isn't any better than a 5. If they wanted a 5 they would have gotten one already. This was one of the most idiotic product ideas I've ever seen at Apple. "We'll sell them last year's phone - but thicker and in plastic colors!" 

 

 

Apparently over 10 million thought it was a good deal, including my girlfriend. She was holding off for the last few months. She had a broken 3GS. She switched from AT&T to T-Mobile. T-Mobile is selling the 5c for zero down. She is jumping up three generations. The 5c is a lot thinner and lighter than her 3GS, the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. 

 

Moreover, the phone has a better battery the iPhone 5, and a better Facetime camera. Further, she likes the colors. She has a clear case by Switch easy that lets the color shine through. Time might also determine the antenna is better than the 5S, as I know my old 3GS had better reception then the iPhone 4 and 4S. Bottom line: she loves it, and I have played with it. It is a very well made phone. Don't get me wrong, I am going with the 5s, but I want the latest and greatest. 

 

Finally, I doubt the 5c is supposed to sell more than the 5s anymore than the year old 5 would be expected to sell more than the 5s. Here is what you also are missing. Apple has a very hard time making the aluminum cases for the 5c. This is the same case for the 5. How much longer do you think the 5s would be backlogged if Apple still had to produce cases for the 5 as well. The same equipment is used for both. This move was brilliant on Apple's part. It took pressure off the iPhone 5s by freeing up needed equipment, and by sending some sales to the 5c. 

 

I also don't necessarily believe this report. The same time last year, it was reported that the iPhone 5 was not selling. Supposedly, that was tied to Apple cutting back on parts orders. Apple just revised its SEC statement to suggest it will earn more than previously expected. It is selling a lot of phones.  

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I agree. In fact, I expect the 5C to outsell the Mocrosoft XBox One, the MS Surfaces, AND the MS/Nokia phone combined during the holiday season. You can even throw the Nintendo WII sales number into that pile of MS crap too.

Those who buy the 5c would have bought the one-year-old iPhone 5 this season, not something better. Instead they get a refreshed product with the same specs.

The big *PLUS* here is that Apple made it more exciting for the kiddies - the REAL recipients of the holiday largess. Apple expects big things this holiday season. Watch those 5c ads begin to evolve during November...

 

 

Better specs. It has a better battery, and an improved Facetime camera. 

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iOS7 wrecked my iP4 (not "S"). I wish I could go back to 6. With 7, every single function is delayed by roughly two seconds. It's very, very frustrating to swipe and nothing happens, so I swipe again, only to then have it suddenly "catch up" and respond to the second swipe from the new page. Or press Skip and nothing happens, so I press it again and again and again then it suddenly clues in and skips four times.

 

The only crashes I've seen are when deleting files from the video player. They are not particularly disruptive. That part is fine.

 

The 4 just isn't enough computer for the demands imposed by iOS7.

 

Strange. I have it installed on an iPhone 4 that I am currently using. I love it. For the most part, I have not noticed what you are talking about. 

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Apple wants to sell as many as they can make of everything they sell. I think the 5c probably has lower margins than the 5s, so they would rather sell a 5s than a 5c, but it's probably easier to manufacture a 5c, because it's basically just an iPhone 5 (which they have a year of experience making) with a simpler-to-manufacture plastic body. They probably don't need to push the 5s as hard, because they are probably selling them about as fast as they can make them (according to recent reports) so they are focusing on pushing the 5c.

 

It only makes sense to compare the success of the 5c with the success of the 2nd-tier offering from last year, which was the 4s, taking into consideration the fact that you want to minimize cannibalization of sales that would otherwise have gone to the 5s. This would be hard to determine, but the fact that the 5s has remained in slightly limited supply would seem to indicate that weak 5s sales are not an issue.

 

Also, as others have noted, the 5c appears to be selling for $45-50 at Best Buy, Target and WalMart.

 

 

The 5c lower margins than the 5s? No way. The company that tears the phone apart to try and come up with cost claim the 5c has higher margins then the 5s, but the 5s has higher margins then the 5. Those break downs, however, do not take into consideration things like R & D and marketing. 

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Because the 5C is being discounted by many retailers?

 

See, e.g., http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/walmart-drops-price-phone-5c-45-best-buys/story?id=20474818

 

 

This is retailers competing for the sales, not retailers trying to move stale inventory. Moreover, everytime the retailer sells an iphone, the carrier pays a bounty. The same thing happened with the release of the iPhone 5. 

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... and they are advertising the crap out of it.

Very good.

You've shown that you know it is 'different'. It does not 'look' like the 5 in any way. It is not being handled the same.

Hence... a different strategy.

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iOS7 wrecked my iP4 (not "S"). I wish I could go back to 6. With 7, every single function is delayed by roughly two seconds. It's very, very frustrating to swipe and nothing happens, so I swipe again, only to then have it suddenly "catch up" and respond to the second swipe from the new page. Or press Skip and nothing happens, so I press it again and again and again then it suddenly clues in and skips four times.

The only crashes I've seen are when deleting files from the video player. They are not particularly disruptive. That part is fine.

The 4 just isn't enough computer for the demands imposed by iOS7.

Do a backup, wipe and restore from iTunes. Fixes most cases of sluggishness. If not, take it to the nearest Genius Bar and ask them what can be done.

Unless of course, you've done all that already.

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For everyone complaining about 5C colors...

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Apparently over 10 million thought it was a good deal, including my girlfriend. She was holding off for the last few months. She had a broken 3GS. She switched from AT&T to T-Mobile. T-Mobile is selling the 5c for zero down. She is jumping up three generations. The 5c is a lot thinner and lighter than her 3GS, the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S. 

 

Moreover, the phone has a better battery the iPhone 5, and a better Facetime camera. Further, she likes the colors. She has a clear case by Switch easy that lets the color shine through. Time might also determine the antenna is better than the 5S, as I know my old 3GS had better reception then the iPhone 4 and 4S. Bottom line: she loves it, and I have played with it. It is a very well made phone. Don't get me wrong, I am going with the 5s, but I want the latest and greatest. 

 

Finally, I doubt the 5c is supposed to sell more than the 5s anymore than the year old 5 would be expected to sell more than the 5s. Here is what you also are missing. Apple has a very hard time making the aluminum cases for the 5c. This is the same case for the 5. How much longer do you think the 5s would be backlogged if Apple still had to produce cases for the 5 as well. The same equipment is used for both. This move was brilliant on Apple's part. It took pressure off the iPhone 5s by freeing up needed equipment, and by sending some sales to the 5c. 

 

I also don't necessarily believe this report. The same time last year, it was reported that the iPhone 5 was not selling. Supposedly, that was tied to Apple cutting back on parts orders. Apple just revised its SEC statement to suggest it will earn more than previously expected. It is selling a lot of phones.  

 

I would be stunned if they sold 10 million 5c phones in a week. Maybe they shipped that many, but actually sold?  No.  The ratio the first weekend was 3 to 1 5S to 5C, so figure just under 2 million 5Cs meaning they would have had to sell just over 8 million from Monday to Friday of the last week of the month to hit that 10 million number.   If they did that it would be insane, but hard to believe.

 

Other than those numbers the move to the 5C design was a great move.  First, it's a better phone than the 5 so that's incentive for people to buy.  Secondly, and probably more important for the bottom line, the margins on it are about 5% better than the 5 and as you noted they avoided any supply constraints with the casing.   I would expect something similar every upgrade

 

The exact filing with the SEC was they expected to come in closer to the high end of the range.  Could that be above the estimates?  Certainly, but saying they said they would be more than expected is misleading.  Now if they sold 17 million phones in the last week you would think they would come in above targets.  Guess we'll find out next Friday.

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I'm just talking about the US...I could careless about the rest of the world...Sorry to break your heart.

 

That stunning piece of spelling, punctuation and grammar brought to you by a product of the US education system! LOL!

 

The attitude probably doesn't have anything to do with being American, though. More likely just an unfortunate manifestation of being an asshole! :lol: 

 

Is it any wonder you're not the President...Please share moron your view of the rest of the world...Knowing you don't care will keep me up at never.

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The Price cut was because Retailers will have to get one 5c for every two 5s they order. Hence why the 9 Million is more like a 70/30 split. 

Like any iPhone release, the latest iPhone 5s is selling like hotcakes, but the steady stream of 5c buying isn't keeping up with the pace of rapid 5s sold. That means with excess stock of 5c they will have to cut price to lower their stock level. 

And since the demand of latest iPhone will, as usually do last all the way till past Christmas, there will be a continuation of over supply in 5c.

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For everyone complaining about 5C colors...
 

 

What's your point?


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Strange. I have it installed on an iPhone 4 that I am currently using. I love it. For the most part, I have not noticed what you are talking about. 

 

You're not the only one to say that, which makes me think I got a lemon iP4 from Apple.

 

Over the winter I paid the $170 to replace my smashed screen iP4 with a refurb. One of the volume buttons on the replacement collapsed into the chassis after only a few weeks so they gave me another one. At the time I thought it was hesitating and lagging, but convinced myself that I was being paranoid. Now, based on my experience with iOS7 compared to what others are reporting, I think I was right, that there IS something wrong with this phone, but of course the 90 day warranty is over now.

 

I don't wanna buy a new phone before next year when we'll finally know for sure whether or not we're getting a bigger screen version but I can't live with this. I'd be happy if Apple stepped up since it's obviously a defect, but since the paltry 3 month warranty is expired I don't imagine that's likely.


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For everyone complaining about 5C colors...

 

I’ve felt that material. That is a bad material.

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I think iphone 5 was a comparatively poorer release. Iphone 5s now gets it back on track.

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My wife upgraded from the 4 to the 5C and loves it. I have a 5, and I actually like the feel of her 5C more - it actually feels much sturdier and more comfortable in my hand. I'm just glad I'm on the big-release cycle and will get the iPhone 6 when it comes out. I just hope Apple doesn't go with a ridiculous giant screen for its premier product. My friend has a Note 2 and that thing just looks like clown feet.

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I think iphone 5 was a comparatively poorer release. Iphone 5s now gets it back on track.

What? The iPhone 5 is a fantastic phone and a huge upgrade from the 4s.

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In Australia, at least, it really comes down to price. The 5C handset sells at stores for $728 without a contract (16gb) and on a contract it sells for on $5 - $8 less than an iPhone 5S on the same contract. So whereas a 5S might be $72 per month over 24 months on a moderate contract, the 5C is $67 per month for the same contract - $5 difference per month. That's not enough to differentiate the models.

I actually quite like the 5C handset, and think it will eventually do well, but only when the price differential is sorted out. The 5S needs to be $0 upfront, on the same plans which are being offered with the 4S, which are currently about $15 less per month than the 5C.

It's important that this happens soon, before a flood of brightly coloured, but poorly made Samsung's hit the shelves, distracting customers from the build quality and design of the 5C.
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What's your point?
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I’ve felt that material. That is a bad material.

Is there ANYTHING that you aren't an expert on? /s

First it was the iPhone 5 - Apple would NEVER release a 4" phone. 3.5" is perfect and no one could possibly want a different size.

Then the iPad Mini - Apple would never release a smaller iPad. 10" is perfect and no one could possibly want a different size.

Then the Ives charity table which you so blithely label as ugly.

Then the iPhone 5C - which you consider a 'bad' material, even though most people think it's a quality material.

Apple should just fire everyone in the design team and hire you since you obviously know everything and no one at Apple seems to know anything.

BTW, where are all of your multibillion dollar products?
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5c was to replace 4s and 5
Pricing 5c at 100'and 5s at 200
I believe was a classic example of decoy pricing to push more
INITIALLY to the higher margin 5s
Deals will then be made toward holiday buying of the 5c
Now $50 to draw into a particular store
You have to view this as a strategy over a period of time
Early adopters
Early holiday
Holiday shoppers
Just wait
I agree the 5c was to attract cheapo android BB M$ feature phone converts to apple
5c will grow as those in this time frame get off contract
Also for the prepaid market
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What I find interesting about the 5C is it seems those who own it love it and its people who don't own it and don't have any plans of owning it that don't like it. I have yet to come across someone (either that I know personally or from just searching online) who purchased a 5C and doesn't love it. Ok the haters would claim 5C owners don't want to admit they made a mistake. But from what I've seen/read these people aren't faking anything, they really do like the phone. Maybe Apple needs to find a way to get that sentiment out there. Because right now the meme is the 5C is a dud, which is a shame.
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What I find interesting about the 5C is it seems those who own it love it and its people who don't own it and don't have any plans of owning it that don't like it. I have yet to come across someone (either that I know personally or from just searching online) who purchased a 5C and doesn't love it. Ok the haters would claim 5C owners don't want to admit they made a mistake. But from what I've seen/read these people aren't faking anything, they really do like the phone. Maybe Apple needs to find a way to get that sentiment out there. Because right now the meme is the 5C is a dud, which is a shame.

I took my wife to get a 5c Thursday evening as she thought the green was "cute" and what she wanted. Once she had it in hand she didn't like it. 1hmm.gif The salesperson showed her their 5s which she thought was OK but the phone she liked better than either of those? Last year's 5. Guess that's what she'll probably end up with tho now she wants to wait a week or so to make sure.

Side-note: While she was there she saw a Samsung Mega and remarked how stupid big it was and must be for a man. The salesperson came back with "No, you'd be surprised. We sell them mostly to girls. They really like it." *

*Yeah there's probably a joke in there as I said to my wife
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The salesperson showed her their 5s which she thought was OK but the phone she liked better than either of those? Last year's 5.
Um ... Cosmetically, they are the exact same phone, at least the silver one. Are you saying she hates the metal ring around the home button? Hates the gold, silver and the new space gray, and prefers the old black on black model? Otherwise this comment makes no sense.
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11.4 mil. in 10 days.

10.4 mil. in 92 days.

Yep. Okay. Sure. Uh hu.

 

Good point. He then calls it a 10% sequential decline. More like a catastrophic collapse.

 

Also note that the 5C is debuting in many countries in Europe and elsewhere in the Desember quarter. Pent up demand will make Desember a big quarter in those countries.

 

I do predict though that Apple will drop the 4S early next year and the 5C will take it's place on the low end as manufacturing costs decrease, novelty wears thinner and competition continues. A 5" model will be introduced later that year as an addition to the lineup for those who want that kind of monstrosity. That should keep growth at pace.

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BTW, where are all of your multibillion dollar products?

 

 

And your post has what at all to do with anything relevant, much less anything I said?

 

Few steps back, now. 

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What I find interesting about the 5C is it seems those who own it love it and its people who don't own it and don't have any plans of owning it that don't like it. I have yet to come across someone (either that I know personally or from just searching online) who purchased a 5C and doesn't love it. Ok the haters would claim 5C owners don't want to admit they made a mistake. But from what I've seen/read these people aren't faking anything, they really do like the phone. Maybe Apple needs to find a way to get that sentiment out there. Because right now the meme is the 5C is a dud, which is a shame.

 

What?

 

This is the same for any product you can mention.

 

Some people love it.

 

Some people don't and that doesn't make them a hater.

 

The challenge for any company is to make a product that strikes a chord with a (very) large percentage of the population.

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They could be worse. 1biggrin.gif

 

Oh... it can always be worse. I'm not sure if I want that tag attached to an Apple product, though. 

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Um ... Cosmetically, they are the exact same phone, at least the silver one. Are you saying she hates the metal ring around the home button? Hates the gold, silver and the new space gray, and prefers the old black on black model? Otherwise this comment makes no sense.

I've no idea why she preferred the 5 over the 5s. Could have been price or it could have been the fingerprint reader or it could have been something we'd think is silly and inconsequential. Does it really matter? I suspect reasons that "make no sense to you" is why you can choose from 4 different iPhone models and several different variations of those.
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I've no idea why she preferred the 5 over the 5s. Could have been price or it could have been the fingerprint reader or it could have been something we'd think is silly and inconsequential. Does it really matter? I suspect reasons that "make no sense to you" is why you can choose from 4 different iPhone models and several different variations of those.

 

Hell, I've seen people look at two identical vehicles on the lot and pick one over the other... because it 'felt right'.

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do you know what the unsubsidized price of the 5C is? If you consider that to be attractive to price-conscious buyers who are not already in Apple's ecosystem, you're very very wrong.

We should really be talking about the non-US market. The 5C will sell like cupcakes in the US at $50 subsidised. It's the 550 euro tag unsubsidised which is the issue.
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And your post has what at all to do with anything relevant, much less anything I said?

Few steps back, now. 

It's completely relevant to your post - and the absurdity of your continuing to pretend that you're the world's expert in everything and no one else is entitled to any opinion except you. You know more about design than Jony Ive. You know more about iPad and iPhone sizing than Apple. You know more about materials than Ive and the rest of the Apple team.

Do you realize how utterly foolish all of that makes you sound?
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Good point. He then calls it a 10% sequential decline. More like a catastrophic collapse.

Also note that the 5C is debuting in many countries in Europe and elsewhere in the Desember quarter. Pent up demand will make Desember a big quarter in those countries.

I do predict though that Apple will drop the 4S early next year and the 5C will take it's place on the low end as manufacturing costs decrease, novelty wears thinner and competition continues. A 5" model will be introduced later that year as an addition to the lineup for those who want that kind of monstrosity. That should keep growth at pace.

More importantly, Kuo is calling for 11 M 5C phones in September - first 10 days. If that's the case, then Munster's whining about unsold phones is absurd - the 3.5 M phones he claims were not sold would make up only 3 days worth of inventory - even if they were all 5C models.

All of the whining from analysts is getting really absurd.
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Is there ANYTHING that you aren't an expert on? /s

You joke but everyone on these forums is an "expert" on everything. That's how the forums work. Otherwise there would be no discussion.

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