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Apple planning to launch all-new 12" MacBook, higher-res sixth-gen iPad in 2014

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Apple has an all-new-design 12-inch MacBook with a high-resolution display, and a new 9.7-inch sixth-generation iPad with an even higher pixel count than the current Retina display, both in the works for next year, according to well-connected insider Ming-Chi Kuo.

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Kuo, an analyst with KGI Securities, revealed on Saturday that Apple has a number of major new products in the works for next year. Most notably, the new 12-inch MacBook will feature what he said is an "ultra-slim clamshell form factor."

He expects this new model to offer a marriage between the portability of the 11-inch MacBook Air and the greater productivity offered by the 13-inch model. The display is said to be on par with Apple's high-resolution MacBook Pro Retina display.

According to Kuo, the new MacBook is expected to "redefine laptop computing once again following the milestone created by the MacBook Air."

Despite speculation that Apple could introduce a notebook powered by its custom A-series chips found in the iPhone and iPad, Kuo does not expect that the new 12-inch MacBook will run on an A-series chip. Instead, he has predicted that the new MacBook will feature a traditional Intel CPU.

The analyst also revealed that Apple is working on a new sixth-generation iPad with a higher pixel-per-inch count than the existing 9.7-inch iPad with Retina display. Contrary to recent rumors, he doesn't expect Apple to launch a 12-inch iPad next year.

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The sixth-generation iPad is expected to launch in late 2014, and will pack in as much as 40 percent more pixels than the current iPad's Retina display.

Inside Apple's supply chain, he expects the company Parade Technology to benefit from an abundance of embedded DisplayPort technology in the company's 2014 lineup. Kuo said eDP, which is a standardized display interface that allows graphics processors to interface with display panels, will likely play a key role in the company's products next year.

"We think Parade will defend its status as Apple's sole eDP provider going into 2014, making it one of the top stories in the Apple supply chain," Kuo wrote in a research note.

Kuo has a strong track record of accurately revealing Apple's future product plans. He was the first to reveal that Apple would retire its 17-inch MacBook Pro, he correctly forecast Apple's entire fall 2012 product lineup, and his predictions for Apple's 2013 launch schedule made in January have thus far proven accurate.
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He expects this new model to offer a marriage between the portability of the 11-inch MacBook Air and the greater productivity offered by the 13-inch model.

 

Sounds like a load of crap to me. Next Apple will make an 8.8” iPad to go between the Mini and the regular. :no:

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post #3 of 111
I think he got the rumor backwards
- A higher resolution screen at 12.1" for a new iPad makes sense (a higher res screen for the iPad is simply unnecessary).

- A new Macbook Air with a higher res screen also makes sense, but perhaps that is also a 13" high-res screen.
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I think he got the rumor backwards
- A higher resolution screen at 12.1” for a new iPad…
- A new Macbook Air with a higher res screen…

 

Indeed, we’ve heard both of these separately already. 

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I thought that the retina was as high as was visible to our eyes? Why go higher unless your in a specs war?
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I think it's pretty brave to say he's wrong given his track record (in the comments not the article).

Apple must be planning to replace the 11" and 13" Air will a single 12" model that is even more insanely thin, and makes Google (and all the others that have copied the Air over the last two years) look totally out of date.
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If Apple increased the pixel density, it would go to 3:1 or 4:1. If it went to 3:1 from the current 2:1 then the % increase would be 125%, not 40%

That's assuming they keep the screen dimensions and layout space the same, as they did when they stepped up to Retina.
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Given that I'm having trouble deciding between 11" and 13", a 12" sounds great particularly with a high-res display.
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I thought that the retina was as high as was visible to our eyes? Why go higher unless your in a specs war?

Not just higher, but only 30-40% higher despite every single Retina device has been exactly 2x over the previous model. The variances of that would likely be the Retina MBA which on the 13" model would likely drop the high-res display (remember that as an option?) to match doubling of the 13" MBP and the iMacs since 2x 27" is a lot more than 4K and 1.5x is exactly 4K, and these are Macs, which run a windowed OS until the iPad. The only thing that seems to have any logical validity on the technical side is the 12" MacBook but is that really needed with the MBAs being priced where the old MacBooks were?
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I think it's pretty brave to say he's wrong given his track record (in the comments not the article).

Apple must be planning to replace the 11" and 13" Air will a single 12" model that is even more insanely thin, and makes Google (and all the others that have copied the Air over the last two years) look totally out of date.

That was my first thought, too. Retire the MBA form factor and, as you say, combine the 11" and 13" models into the 12" new form factor.

 

The new form factor being similar style to the MBP, but way thinner...allowing for a larger, longer lasting battery. Just brilliant! :)

 

 

As far as iPads; I could see myself with a Mini for out & about, traveling, etc., and a 12"-13" iPad at home for the couch. I think I would rather have that than a 20# desktop in my den.


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I think it's pretty brave to say he's wrong given his track record (in the comments not the article).

Apple must be planning to replace the 11" and 13" Air will a single 12" model that is even more insanely thin, and makes Google (and all the others that have copied the Air over the last two years) look totally out of date.

That's how I would have called it, assuming he's just making stuff up and isn't claiming this is inside info. The 13" MBP is now pretty damn thin that it might simply not be worth keeping the 13" MBA. The 11" MBA has a certain appeal but being 16:9 it was never something I would consider.
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"An iPod, a Phone, and an Internet Communicator"

"A Macbook, an iPad, a High-Res 12" Display"

Are you getting it? =)

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MacPad.  A7-based (or A8).  As powerful as a desktop, but without the desktop OS.   

 

Think about it.

 

MacPad.

 

Consumers love the iPad, right?  Easy to use, right?  No file system to worry about.  Data is tied to each app, but things like photos, videos, etc. are available between apps.   

 

MacPad. 

 

Maybe it'll be a touch-screen Macbook, but my guess is the keyboard will be in a form-factor we haven't seen yet.  Detachable like the Surface?  Maybe, but better.  Foldable like a keyboard case?  Probably not.  Fold out keyboard?  Slide out from behind like an old-school texting phone?

 

MacPad.

 

Perhaps, it will also have a version of OSX Brokeback Mountain 10.10.0 that runs on the A7/A8.  

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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post
MacPad.  A7-based (or A8).  As powerful as a desktop, but without the desktop OS.   

 

So an iPad. Since it isn’t a “Mac” without OS X.

 
Maybe itll be a touch-screen Macbook

 

[screenshot of whatever Apple keynote it was with the laptop, a hand reaching out to the screen, and a giant ‘NO’ sign over it]

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- A new Macbook Air with a higher res screen also makes sense, but perhaps that is also a 13" high-res screen.
The 13" might be too expensive to produce in a high-res format.
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I thought that the retina was as high as was visible to our eyes? Why go higher unless your in a specs war?
Well supposedly a retina on iPad is maybe 20 pixels from it(ppi) so a resolution 3 times the previous would be ok.
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Given that I'm having trouble deciding between 11" and 13", a 12" sounds great particularly with a high-res display.
Not really, common sizes for a laptop are 11,13,15,17; apple had all of those last year, I think when they release a IPad 12-13 inch IPad they will kill the 11 inch Mac book air, make a thinner bezel $1000 13 inch, maybe so it is 13, 15 inch on both only?
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Ah, I'll just wait to see what Apple announces. I'm almost getting tired of listening to the various rumors. They either take the fun out of the announcement or they are wrong, so I'll just wait and see for myself what they are going to announce on announcement date.
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I think it's pretty brave to say he's wrong given his track record (in the comments not the article).

Apple must be planning to replace the 11" and 13" Air will a single 12" model that is even more insanely thin, and makes Google (and all the others that have copied the Air over the last two years) look totally out of date.

 

I'll go along with this. I see the 11" MBA as way too small. Its basically the next gen netbook IMO. The 13" is nice, but maybe a 12" is the happy medium and they only have to produce 1 ultra-thin laptop that replaces both the 11" and 13" MBA, probably the 13" MacBook Pro (non-retina) as well. 

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I thought that the retina was as high as was visible to our eyes? Why go higher unless your in a specs war?

 

 

Good point, but it is based on average vision and the distance one is from the screen. If you up the resolution, one can be closer to the screen, and have better than average vision and the screen would still be considered Retina. 

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Sheesh, forget iPad 6...I just want to see an iPad mini w/ retina display on the 22nd.  2014 can take care of itself :-/

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Contrary to recent rumors, he doesn't expect Apple to launch a 12-inch iPad next year.

Maybe they found a 12" hi-res IPS display in the supply chain and assumed it was meant for an iPad but instead was meant for a Macbook. They'd have been able to tell by the aspect ratio but that info might not have been passed on.

The 12" G4 Powerbook was one of my favorite form factors and it makes a lot of sense to merge the 11" and 13" into a single model and drop the Air label so that it's just Macbook and Macbook Pro again. I'd actually have preferred that they moved to 14" displays and just shrink the bezels (13.3" moves to 14.0") so the lineup would be:

14" Macbook, Intel ULT 15W, integrated graphics, scales to 1440x900 either natively or via high-res panel, $999
14" Macbook Pro, Intel ULT 28W, Iris (Pro), same display as Macbook or if the Macbook wasn't a Retina display, this one would be, $1299
15" Macbook Pro, quad-i7 55W+ with Iris Pro, possibly have 750M options, $1899

The vast majority of laptop buyers go out looking for a 14" or 15" laptop. When they see those $500-600 14" PC Ultrabooks and laptops, at least a $999 14" Macbook with better build quality, software, display etc can come into consideration, unlike an 11" or even 12" model.

They like to have an upsell to the higher models though and this could have the opposite effect. Plus, it seems like displays must be charged by the inch so 14" would raise costs more than going to 12". The smallest Air is 11.6" and the larger one is 13.3" so 12.4" is in between.

The Air was updated in June so the new design can be shown off at WWDC. I'm not much of a fan of the clamshell shape of the Air but if they have to design it that way to get it thin, so be it. I prefer the style of the MBP and would rather it was just wedge-shaped for the Macbook.

It might be time for them to consider lower priced CPUs too. The current entry model uses the i5-4250U and it costs $342. They obviously need powerful integrated graphics so that the machine can handle high resolution displays so some of the really cheap CPUs wouldn't be worthwhile but Intel must be able to come up with a CPU closer to the $200 mark that has reasonable graphics power and the CPU power would be fine now. This would cut the retail cost by nearly $200 to get a $799 12" Macbook, which would be great for students.
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I still have fond memories of my 12" Powerbook G4.  I like the 11.6" air a lot, but a 16:10 12" display would be better for sure.

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4k iPad 6th gen seems like a waiste of performance to push all those pixels. Also the capacities will have o be 32g-256g if true...
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have o be

 

Why?

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4k video and content on apps
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The headline is doing nothing but a disservice to Apple and a disservice to truth.

 

The headline makes it sound like Apple is planning to launch all new 12" MacBook; higher-res sixth-gen iPad in 2014.

The truth: Ming-Chi Kuo claims (without citing his sources) that Apple is planning to launch all new 12" MacBook and higher-res iPad in 2014.

 

If you can't tell the difference those two statements, you shouldn't be writing headlines for AppleInsider.

Which forces me to ask: is AppleInsider knowingly trying to deceive in their headlines?

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4k video and content on apps

 

App content wouldn’t be all that big and good luck selling 4K content at all yet…

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post #28 of 111

wow, if they bring back a real 12 inch MacBook that would be amazing. I still have my 12 inch powerbook G4 in the closet - good times

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Can someone explain why this is breaking news?
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The headline is doing nothing but a disservice to Apple and a disservice to truth.

The headline makes it sound like Apple is planning to launch all new 12" MacBook; higher-res sixth-gen iPad in 2014.
The truth: Ming-Chi Kuo claims (without citing his sources) that Apple is planning to launch all new 12" MacBook and higher-res iPad in 2014.

If you can't tell the difference those two statements, you shouldn't be writing headlines for AppleInsider.
Which forces me to ask: is AppleInsider knowingly trying to deceive in their headlines?
This headline generates clicks, the other wouldn't.
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Nothing that any analyst ever says or predicts can be considered breaking news. Analysts are pretty much dead to me. 

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In my field (university), the 11" MBA is popular with people who won't or can't give up Windows (though that's at only for a minority of universities in Australia now, the rest gone back to the Mac). They hardly ever use the Mac side and use their MBA as a superior super-lightweight PC. (Sad but true!).

The new 12", if true, may replace what I'm typing on (much loved 13" MBAir) for a choice of the 12" whatever-it's-called or the 13" MBPro. Seems reasonable.

Regardless, I've been hanging with some serious photo pros lately (underwater tropical reef) who use older 17" MBPros and I'll venture that there's now a pent-up demand for the return of the big fellas (with retina). You NEED serious real estate for reviewing thousands of high res photos, and these guys want it with them for editing and to show clients etc. what they have.
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"The offering will likely be lighter and slimmer than the existing MacBook Air to further highlight ease of portability in the cloud computing era"

Just bring a 400 to 600 g 7 to 9-inch Mac (whatever form factor: clamshell, slider or tablet). That IS portability of a full computer (not the iOS toy)!
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This site is rapidly losing any technical interest for myself. Time to move on.

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"Well connected people" need to know Apples DNA as described in the iBook STEVE JOBS AGENDA. Then the news would be more substantial.
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12" inch MacBook (Air arguably) would totally make sense. All they'd have to do is redesign the bezel of the current 11" so that the screen would once again be 16:10 format with a little less border and the total package would remain largely the same, ie very very portable yet fully functional.

I love my 11" first gen Air, best computer I have ever owned.
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I cannot wait for the new MBP!!  I will buy one in the next 6 months regardless of whether the upgrade is significant or simply incremental.

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I think making iPads 4k resolution makes more sense then the resolution now, it's the next standard. Then when the iTV comes out they can work together for gaming and apps, pixel for pixel. And I wouldn't be shocked if a 1080p iphone was bound for next year too.
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His main prediction this year thus far (a new thinner MacBook Pro Retina in June was wrong. Is AI in bed which this guy or what?
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If increasing resolution causes more strain on the battery, increases the cost of the screen, taxes the processor, etc. is it not logical that there would have to be a benefit justifying such a move? Since there is none, it begs the question, why do it?

The iPad needs more battery life and less weight far more than it does additional screen resolution. For that matter, it doesn't need more screen resolution. It could benefit from more efficient screen technology and is likely to get that but greater pixel density has to be of no interest whatsoever to the engineers at Apple. They likely haven't asked for it and would never wish to make compromises to accommodate it, even if it was offered to them unsolicited.
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