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The next-generation iPad mini will be a fraction of a millimeter thicker and feature a larger battery to offset the power requirements of its rumored Retina display, according to accessory manufacturers at a major Hong Kong electronics trade show.

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Cases for the second-generation iPad mini and fifth-generation iPad | Source: Macotakara.jp


The second-generation iPad mini will grow from 7.2 millimeters thick to 7.5 millimeters thick and gain 0.2 millimeters in width, say iPad case makers interviewed by Japanese website Macotakara. The interviews took place at China Sourcing Fair 2013 in Hong Kong, an annual trade show for manufacturers of all stripes.

The rumored changes are similar to those made for Apple's third generation full-size iPad, the first to feature a Retina screen. The iPad 3 gained 0.6 millimeters over the iPad 2.

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A purported second-generation iPad mini case with a rear microphone cutout | Source: Macotakara.jp


Alongside the added girth, cases for Apple's new 7.9-inch tablet are pictured with a cutout for a rear-facing microphone, a feature which showed up on leaked pre-release parts for the original iPad mini but did not make it into the shipping product.

Apple is expected to release a slimmer, lighter full-size iPad and a Retina display-equipped iPad mini at a rumored Oct. 22 media event. Both devices are also said to sport iPhone-equivalent 8-megapixel rear cameras.
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iPad Mini 2? What if they call it the iPad Mini S? (maybe with a forward slash in it)
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A fraction of a millimeter thicker? Low availability? Apple is doomed! This iPad will fail!

No seriously this will be the best selling tablet in the history of the world. My prediction.
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This is the product refresh I've been waiting for since it debuted. Non-Retina display at this size isn't optimal. Hoping, if announced, these will start shipping before Black Friday.
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It's not a 7" tablet, it's 8". Big difference especially given the 4:3 aspect ratio
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It's not a 7" tablet, it's 8". Big difference especially given the 4:3 aspect ratio

Agreed.  If I remember correctly, the iPad mini displays, on average, 40% more content than the typical 7" tablet, which is a big deal.  A 4:3 aspect ratio is optimal for the vast majority of tablets uses, with the only exception being video.

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Does this mean retina is a go then?
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I thought retina mini wasn't going to ship till Q1 2014 or something. If so, I should sell my current one ahead of time!!
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Does this mean retina is a go then?

Can't say for sure but it looks to be the case.  Personally, my wallet's waiting for the iPad 5 instead of the iPad mini.

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Agreed.  If I remember correctly, the iPad mini displays, on average, 40% more content than the typical 7" tablet, which is a big deal.  A 4:3 aspect ratio is optimal for the vast majority of tablets uses, with the only exception being video.

I don't know why people keep calling it a 7" tablet. Maybe it's because the physical size is comparable to 7" tablets that were available. Not only is the screen much bigger than a typical 7" tablet, it's actually bigger than a typical 8" tablet.

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The ipad mini 2 with retina display will destroy the Nexus 7 2nd generation out of the water.
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That's awesome, great news. 0.2 mm? You won't even notice that. 0.6 mm was barely noticeable on iPad 3, but it was noticeable. 0.2 is almost nonexistent.

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So how solid is the retina rumor?  It can't be as good as the "ipad will use mini form factor bezel".

 

Im curious what CPU they will go with and if TouchID will make an appearance.

 

A6X+Retina Display

or

A6+Standard Display

or

A7+Standard Display+TouchID

or

A7X+Retina Display+TouchID (prob not likely)

 

I tend to think they will keep costs down for the mini, so if retina holds, perhaps it will inherit the A6X.

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They are saying this because the iPad 2 became ever so thicker and heavier to be the 3. But that was two processors ago. If the Mini gets the A7/M7 combo it might not need a thicker battery because dado processor might be more efficient

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That's awesome, great news. 0.2 mm? You won't even notice that. 0.6 mm was barely noticeable on iPad 3, but it was noticeable. 0.2 is almost nonexistent.

The 0.2 or 0.3 mm here or there probably won't make a big difference. I am curious how much the weight might change though. Obviously, the Mini's strength is its size, which enables one-handed operation and a more compact experience. If it suddenly becomes too heavy to comfortably hold in one hand, that could detract from the experience a bit. Retina display would be worth it though IMO.
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So how solid is the retina rumor?  It can't be as good as the "ipad will use mini form factor bezel".

 

Im curious what CPU they will go with and if TouchID will make an appearance.

 

A6X+Retina Display

or

A6+Standard Display

or

A7+Standard Display+TouchID

or

A7X+Retina Display+TouchID (prob not likely)

 

I tend to think they will keep costs down for the mini, so if retina holds, perhaps it will inherit the A6X.

Nah, Apple is all in on the 64bit bandwagon so no A6 chip. Personally I think they will go A7+Retina but no TouchID. There are talks that the sensor in TouchID is the reason for the limited availability of the 5S, if that's the case I don't see them putting it in the mini. 

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A Retina iPad mini "2" would be nice, if Apple can keep battery life as it is now without making the thing too thick and heavy. Fine. Not a deal-breaker either way for consumers as long as the price stays the same.

But I think the big question is whether or not the iPad mini "2" will have a Touch ID sensor. That would require the A7 or A7X SoC for instant authentication as on the iPhone 5S. And the A7 or A7X would bring the iPad mini "2" up to the same performance level as the iPad 5th gen, because presumably the 5th gen iPad will also get an A7X SoC.

But does Apple really want to boost iPad mini "2" performance so much that it's a small version of the high performance iPad 5th gen? Wouldn't Apple rather keep the iPad mini "2" (and subsequent iPad minis) at the low end of the feature and performance scales by using less-expensive components? And by doing so, could Apple break the $300 barrier for the base iPad mini "2"?

The original iPad mini has the trailing-edge A5 SoC, a part that was originally released in 2011. Apple could put the 2012 non-X A6 into the iPad mini "2" if they don't add a Retina screen and Touch ID sensor. Again, I don't think the mini's lack of a Retina screen is a deal breaker for the average middle-of-the-technology-bell-curve consumer that Apple is targeting. And putting Touch ID only in the flagship iPad 5th gen would be consistent with the iPhone lineup: flagship 5S with Touch ID, low end 5C without.

So I'm guessing that the Retina iPad mini "2" will get the same A6X that the iPad 4th gen now has. And that means 32-bit processing and no Touch ID sensor. Just a wild guess, as always. Next year, Apple's iOS devices will all be 64-bit no matter what happens now. This year, I think the iPad mini "2" will remain 32-bit just as the iPhone 5C did. (But what about the iPod touch and Apple TV?)

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If the ipad3 is any indication, then I will be staying far away from the ipad mini2.

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iPad Mini 2? What if they call it the iPad Mini S? (maybe with a forward slash in it)

 

err... the Mini will most likely be the 'c' of the iPad family.   the 'iPad' is the 's' version

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Take my money now! Can't wait to get the mini 2 in my hands!
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A Retina iPad mini "2" would be nice, if Apple can keep battery life as it is now without making the thing too thick and heavy. Fine. Not a deal-breaker either way for consumers as long as the price stays the same.

But I think the big question is whether or not the iPad mini "2" will have a Touch ID sensor. That would require the A7 or A7X SoC for instant authentication as on the iPhone 5S. And the A7 or A7X would bring the iPad mini "2" up to the same performance level as the iPad 5th gen, because presumably the 5th gen iPad will also get an A7X SoC.

But does Apple really want to boost iPad mini "2" performance so much that it's a small version of the high performance iPad 5th gen? Wouldn't Apple rather keep the iPad mini "2" (and subsequent iPad minis) at the low end of the feature and performance scales by using less-expensive components? And by doing so, could Apple break the $300 barrier for the base iPad mini "2"?

The original iPad mini has the trailing-edge A5 SoC, a part that was originally released in 2011. Apple could put the 2012 non-X A6 into the iPad mini "2" if they don't add a Retina screen and Touch ID sensor. Again, I don't think the mini's lack of a Retina screen is a deal breaker for the average middle-of-the-technology-bell-curve consumer that Apple is targeting. And putting Touch ID only in the flagship iPad 5th gen would be consistent with the iPhone lineup: flagship 5S with Touch ID, low end 5C without.

So I'm guessing that the Retina iPad mini "2" will get the same A6X that the iPad 4th gen now has. And that means 32-bit processing and no Touch ID sensor. Just a wild guess, as always.

I'd love it if Apple had a full sized and mini retina with the same specs (bump up the mini to $399 if they have to) and then a cheaper mini that didn't have retina and all the bells and whistles. Let that be the gateway to iPad. With iPhone there is only one screen size so Apple has to do something to differentiate. With iPad the screen size is the differentiator. Someone shouldn't be "punished" because they prefer 8" over 10" form factor. Really outside of retina and SoC there's not much different between the mini and full size iPad. Apple has never really marketed the full size iPad as a "pro" product. There's nothing it can do that the mini can't except maybe play some graphic intensive games.
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If the ipad3 is any indication, then I will be staying far away from the ipad mini2.
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Nah, Apple is all in on the 64bit bandwagon so no A6 chip. Personally I think they will go A7+Retina but no TouchID. There are talks that the sensor in TouchID is the reason for the limited availability of the 5S, if that's the case I don't see them putting it in the mini. 

agreed.  the a7 on the iPad Mini RD, and the A7X with touchID on the 10" iPad.

 

Then the question comes... M7 chip?   it makes a heckuva lot more sense to put the m7 into the mini (as it would be something that people would carry while 'moving' and therefore may want to use it as a 'motion measure' device.).  If it saves power (yet, there is plenty of battery so to speak in the iPads), and not a space consideration (again, space), then why not?

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Agreed.  If I remember correctly, the iPad mini displays, on average, 40% more content than the typical 7" tablet, which is a big deal.  A 4:3 aspect ratio is optimal for the vast majority of tablets uses, with the only exception being video.
With the iPad Mini more of a consumption device (books, movies, youtube, etc) than it's larger brothers wouldn't video be an oft-used function for it? I realize there's no way Apple would do it but for a media consumption device 16:9 sounds more appropriate to me. That extra inch of screen isn't useful for movies and most other video play. I think even video games are traditionally 16:9 aren't they?
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A7X

 

They need to boost margins of the Mini and the iPad the top of the line product

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Don't make any early bets on this being accurate. :lol:

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Not really worried about a little more thickness, it is the extra weight that might be a concern... The Mini is nearly ideal for me the way it is....
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They are saying this because the iPad 2 became ever so thicker and heavier to be the 3. But that was two processors ago. If the Mini gets the A7/M7 combo it might not need a thicker battery because dado processor might be more efficient

driving light to the screen is the major power suck.  you have 4X more LCDs, therefore 4X more signalling to fire the same pixels.

But that said, the real power savings comes from more efficient LED backlighting, which one would assume has improved over the past year.

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It's not a 7" tablet, it's 8". Big difference especially given the 4:3 aspect ratio

You are correct.  I tried the Nexus 7 and the extra screen width was a big plus....

 

It is the same reason I would like (not demanding) a wider iPhone...

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With the iPad Mini more of a consumption device (books, movies, youtube, etc) than it's larger brothers wouldn't video be an oft-used function for it? I realize there's no way Apple would do it but for a media consumption device 16:9 sounds more appropriate to me. That extra inch of screen isn't useful for movies and most other video play. I think even video games are traditionally 16:9 aren't they?

 

Excluding black bars, 16:9 movies on a 4:3 iPad mini display an image that is bigger than the full screen 16:9 7" tablets. That "extra inch" on 7" tablets is plastic/glass bezel while on the iPad mini it's useable screen space.

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Not really worried about a little more thickness, it is the extra weight that might be a concern... The Mini is nearly ideal for me the way it is....

 

then you should buy iPadMini1

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You are correct.  I tried the Nexus 7 and the extra screen width was a big plus....

 

It is the same reason I would like (not demanding) a wider iPhone...

 

agree, sucks trying to web browse landscape.

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Originally Posted by CanukStorm View Post
Can't say for sure but it looks to be the case.

 

Well, this looks to be the case, at least.

 

Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
iPad mini and iPad 5 cases

 

 

Originally Posted by toukale View Post
If the ipad3 is any indication, then I will be staying far away from the ipad mini2.

 

It’s not any indication. Think before assuming.

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I thought retina mini wasn't going to ship till Q1 2014 or something. If so, I should sell my current one ahead of time!!

I sold my iPad mini and iPad 4 in anticipation already.

 

 
Originally Posted by dugbug View Post
 

So how solid is the retina rumor?  It can't be as good as the "ipad will use mini form factor bezel".

 

Im curious what CPU they will go with and if TouchID will make an appearance.

 

A6X+Retina Display

or

A6+Standard Display

or

A7+Standard Display+TouchID

or

A7X+Retina Display+TouchID (prob not likely)

 

I tend to think they will keep costs down for the mini, so if retina holds, perhaps it will inherit the A6X.

I'm hoping for that one with a price increase to $379-$399.  I'd gladly pay more for non-crippled specs.

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iPad Mini 2? What if they call it the iPad Mini S? (maybe with a forward slash in it)

 

Based on what they did last time, it will simply be called the iPad Mini and iPad. They killed off iPad version numbers/letters.

 

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Not really worried about a little more thickness, it is the extra weight that might be a concern... The Mini is nearly ideal for me the way it is....

 

Exactly. The size difference they are talking about is irrelevant to most users. However the weight is very important. It really needs to be the same weight or preferably lighter.

 

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The ipad mini 2 with retina display will destroy the Nexus 7 2nd generation out of the water.
 
Maybe in the eyes of Appleholes but the Nexus 7 is pretty nice hardware. Besides, I think most people pick their OS first, iOS or Android, then start worrying about the hardware.
 
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A Retina iPad mini "2" would be nice, if Apple can keep battery life as it is now without making the thing too thick and heavy. Fine. Not a deal-breaker either way for consumers as long as the price stays the same.

But I think the big question is whether or not the iPad mini "2" will have a Touch ID sensor. That would require the A7 or A7X SoC for instant authentication as on the iPhone 5S. And the A7 or A7X would bring the iPad mini "2" up to the same performance level as the iPad 5th gen, because presumably the 5th gen iPad will also get an A7X SoC.

But does Apple really want to boost iPad mini "2" performance so much that it's a small version of the high performance iPad 5th gen? Wouldn't Apple rather keep the iPad mini "2" (and subsequent iPad minis) at the low end of the feature and performance scales by using less-expensive components? And by doing so, could Apple break the $300 barrier for the base iPad mini "2"?

The original iPad mini has the trailing-edge A5 SoC, a part that was originally released in 2011. Apple could put the 2012 non-X A6 into the iPad mini "2" if they don't add a Retina screen and Touch ID sensor. Again, I don't think the mini's lack of a Retina screen is a deal breaker for the average middle-of-the-technology-bell-curve consumer that Apple is targeting. And putting Touch ID only in the flagship iPad 5th gen would be consistent with the iPhone lineup: flagship 5S with Touch ID, low end 5C without.

So I'm guessing that the Retina iPad mini "2" will get the same A6X that the iPad 4th gen now has. And that means 32-bit processing and no Touch ID sensor. Just a wild guess, as always. Next year, Apple's iOS devices will all be 64-bit no matter what happens now. This year, I think the iPad mini "2" will remain 32-bit just as the iPhone 5C did. (But what about the iPod touch and Apple TV?)

 

You bring up some interesting questions. So Apple's tagline of the Mini being "every inch an iPad" doesn't help unless they state which iPad. I'm hoping the Mini will be pound for pound as good as the new iPad 5th generation.

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Maybe in the eyes of Appleholes but the Nexus 7 is pretty nice hardware. Besides, I think most people pick their OS first, iOS or Android, then start worrying about the hardware.

 

 

Why?  I see alot wrong with the Nexus 7.

 

Horrible 16:9 aspect ratio for a tablet

Ugly as sin bezel

laggy OS

crappy battery life

ugly case (compared to ipad)

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Don;t care about the thickness since it is minor! Love to have a state of the art components inside of the iPad Mini Retina.

iPad Mini Retina should have the A7X, 4GB RAM, M7, 802.11 ac, IGZO display, dual flash camera and option for 128GB storage.

Price is not a big deal for me either! $1,200 is okay!
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They did just change the delivery date for the 5s online to 2-3 weeks so maybe the limitation has been resolved on the bio ID.

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The IPad mini is still likely going to keep reg. display it took the full sized 3 gen., I doubt the mini to be faster at gaining retina.
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