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Apple on Tuesday confirmed that it will hold a media event next week, where the company is preparing to unveil its second-generation iPad mini and fifth-generation iPad, along with other anticipated products. Here's a rundown of what the company is expected to announce, based on the latest leaks and rumors.

What to expect: Redesigned fifth-gen iPad



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Fifth-generation iPad mockup by Martin Hajek.


Apple's fifth-generation iPad will represent the first major redesign of the hardware since the iPad 2. Specifically, it's expected that the full-size iPad will adopt many of the traits of the iPad mini first introduced last year.The 5th-gen iPad is expected to be noticeably thinner and lighter, while sporting a speedy new processor.

Most significantly among those is a thinner bezel to the left and right of the display when the iPad is held in portrait mode. To date, the full-size iPad has featured a generous bezel, allowing the device to be held without touching the display.

But starting last year, Apple adopted smart technology in the iPad mini that could differentiate between when the iPad was being held, and when a user was touching the screen to control it.

With this year's fifth-generation iPad, it's expected that the thicker bezel will go away, allowing Apple to reduce some of the size and weight of its 9.7-inch tablet. That's been supported by numerous part leaks, which have appeared throughout 2013, showing off the anticipated new design.

iPad


Accordingly, new Smart Covers that will fit the new form factor are also expected. It's possible that Apple could also adopt the all-fabric Smart Cover design the company current offers for the iPad mini.

Based on years past, it's likely that next iPad will feature an improved version of the current high-end A7 processor, which debuted in the iPhone 5s. A so-called "A7X" chip would likely offer even greater performance to drive the 9.7-inch display, powering the latest games and apps in a 64-bit architecture.

iPad Camera


The rear camera on the next iPad is also expected to see a significant upgrade to an 8-megapixel sensor. That's an increase from the 5-megapixel camera found in the fourth-generation iPad, released last fall.

As for colors, it's expected that the new iPad will be offered in white and silver, as well as the new space grey option, replacing the outgoing black and slate design. It's unknown whether the full-size iPad will also come in gold, as the iPhone 5s does.

iPad 5
Source: UnboxTherapy via YouTube.


Also unknown is whether Apple will add its new Touch ID fingerprint scanning technology to its next iPads. It's possible that Apple could wait to introduce Touch ID on the iPad until future generations, leaving it exclusive to the iPhone 5s for now. One potential iOS improvement that Apple could implement to better take advantage of Touch ID on the iPad would be multi-user login support -- something that is not currently available in iOS 7.



Given Apple's previous launch schedules, it's likely that the new 9.7-inch iPad will go on sale the Friday after it is announced. That would mean a Nov. 1 launch date.

Ahead of that availability, readers can lock in a high cash payout for their old iPad through AppleInsider partner Gazelle now, before the new models are announced. The reseller recently raised its cash payouts as trade-in numbers spiked in anticipation of Apple's Oct. 22 event.

What to expect: Second-gen iPad mini with Retina display



The next iPad mini is not expected to feature a major redesign of its chassis like its larger alternative. But Apple is expected to significantly revamp the display to the company's Retina-quality branding.

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Second-generation iPad mini mockup by Martin Hajek.


The 2nd-gen iPad mini will likely upgrade to a high-res Retina display.To simplify matters for developers, it's expected that the iPad mini Retina display will feature the same pixel count as the full-size iPad. That would place the iPad mini with a much higher pixel density than the 9.7-inch iPad, by packing the same amount of pixels into a smaller 7.9-inch display.

Driving that many pixels requires power, and Apple won't want to sacrifice battery life. As a result, it's rumored that the new iPad mini will be slightly thicker than its predecessor, to accommodate a larger internal battery.

If true, that wouldn't be a surprise: Apple's third-generation iPad -- and its first iPad with a Retina display --?was slightly thicker than the iPad 2.

iPad mini 2


As for what chip will power the next iPad mini, that's less clear. Last year's first-generation iPad mini is powered by the A5 CPU -- the same custom chip used to power Apple's iPad 2 and fifth-generation iPod touch. Following that logic, the most likely candidate to appear in the second-generation iPad mini would be the A6 CPU.

But AllThingsD reported earlier this month that the next iPad mini could skip a a generation with its processor and use the same A7 chip found in the iPhone 5s.

iPad mini 2
Purportedly leaked "iPad mini 2" shells.


Regardless of what CPU it runs, it's rumored that the second-generation iPad mini will sport the same 8-megapixel rear facing camera upgrade as the fifth-generation iPad, putting the two devices on par with one another.

Also like with the full-size iPad, it's unknown whether the iPad mini would gain Touch ID support. Given that Touch ID debuted last month in the flagship iPhone 5s, but not the mid-range iPhone 5c, it would seem that the iPad mini is less likely to gain the feature than its full-size -- and more expensive -- counterpart.

What to expect: Mac Pro and Mavericks



Apple has promised to deliver both its new Mac Pro desktop and OS X 10.9 Mavericks upgrade this fall, so those products are likely candidates to appear at the company's Oct. 22 event.

Mavericks


Mavericks has been available to developers in golden master, or potential final form, since early this month. As a result, it's possible that Apple could announce same-day or next-day availability on the Mac App Store.

Last year's OS X upgrade, 10.8 Mountain Lion, was sold on the Mac App Store for $19.99. It's unlikely that Mavericks would be priced any higher than that.

Mac Pro


As for the Mac Pro, one rumor claims the device will be available to own on Nov. 15. Pricing for the new professional-grade desktop is unknown, but since the device is marketed toward power users, it will likely be the most expensive Mac in the company's lineup.

Wildcards: Potential other products, surprises



Apple still has a few Mac models due for upgrades to Intel's latest-generation Haswell processors. Most notably, the MacBook Pro lineup has yet to see an upgrade, trailing the MacBook Air by months.One rumored wildcard announcement for Oct. 22 is an Apple TV hardware update.

While a MacBook Pro update is expected for this fall, rumors of a Mac mini update have been nonexistent. Given the small role the desktop plays in Apple's lineup, it's still possible that a refresh could be pushed out with little fanfare.

Beyond the Mac, there is the potential for another surprise. Recent rumors have suggested that an update to the Apple TV set-top box hardware could be imminent.

Apple TV


Exactly what an Apple TV hardware update might include is unknown. But the current third-generation model was released in March of 2012, making the diminutive device a prime candidate for a refresh.

One rumor shared in August claimed that Apple could launch some sort of TV-related product this year with enhanced control functionality. Reporter and venture capitalist MG Siegler suggested that Apple had some surprises in store for its media streaming device, and that revamped hardware would offer new ways for users to control it.
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Obviously not all of these things are going to happen. The trick is to expect none of them at all and then be happy with what you get.

 

Analysts, being worthless idiots, do the opposite.

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If AppleInsider is being paid by Gazelle for advertising, this should be clearly stated
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iPadC?
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Just give me some new Mac hardware. Don't make it an all "i" event.
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Obviously not all of these things are going to happen. The trick is to expect none of them at all and then be happy with what you get.

 

Analysts, being worthless idiots, do the opposite.

I don't agree with you often, but in this case you are right.

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iPad 5

iPad Mini

MacBook Pro

Mac Pro release date

Mavericks release date

 

Those are all but guarantees- and likely all we'll see.  However...

 

Possibilities:

Apple TV

Silent Mac Mini

Silent Airport Express (AC)

 

Long shot:

iPod Touch

 

If all of those happened, i'd be buying an iPad, iPad Mini, 3 Apple TVs, 3 Airport Expresses, and an iPod Touch.  Yikes!

 

 

As for the iPads- Touch ID, Colors (gold?), Wireless AC, A6/A6X/A7/A7X for the mini?  We essentially know nothing about these!  As commonplace as leaks are nowadays- that's very refreshing.

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If AppleInsider is being paid by Gazelle for advertising, this should be clearly stated


Yup, "We now interrupt this presumably journalistic speculation article for an uncredited advertisement not labeled as such:"
 

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If AppleInsider is being paid by Gazelle for advertising, this should be clearly stated

Why?

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I am definitely anticipating an update on the Airport Express to 802.11ac. Apple, I'm ready to throw some money your way...
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Frankly, I do not expect any major changes to the iPad mini, especially no Retina display upgrade. It's unnecessary as a lower priced iPad option which effectively replaced the low-end first-gen iPad.

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Pricing for the new professional-grade desktop is unknown, but since the device is marketed toward power users, it will likely be the most expensive Mac in the company's lineup.

 

Who knows?  Apple might actually price the new base Mac Pro below that of the old one.  I'm sure some consumers will buy it just for the coolness + bragging rights, even if they don't need more than the base configuration.  But the pros who actually need to use all that power will max it out with 12 cores and huge PCIe flash storage.  So the average selling price could be greater than that of the old model.

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So the Apple TV is a primate candidate for an upgrade now? I thought that was me, being a primate myself, and a little short on memory. :-)
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Why?

Evidently you've never heard of "conflict of interest"?

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AppleTV + Game Controller + App Store = something really cool

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 If AppleInsider is being paid by Gazelle for advertising, this should be clearly stated
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Evidently you've never heard of "conflict of interest"?

isn't calling out Gazelle as 'An AppleInsider Partner' clearly stating the 'interest'

 

I read it as such.  No need for any more explanation or disclaimer.


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Frankly, I do not expect any major changes to the iPad mini, especially no Retina display upgrade. It's unnecessary as a lower priced iPad option which effectively replaced the low-end first-gen iPad.

Low cost does not mean non-Retina.   the gating factor battery life.  If they can get a battery in and maintain the price/profit point and get to Retina (and a6x/a7 etc.), they will do it.

 

Retina is that 'wow... I never thought I'd desire this' function.   And it also starts the retirement timeline for the 1024x768 real estate option (which allows for the addition of another pixel layout/density in the future).

 

So as people clamor for a larger phone display, a 12" iPad, the retirements of the 3gs form factor and the iPad 1/mini layouts are critical to maintain some User Interface design sanity. 

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and the only thing I seek is release dates.

 

AppleTV... while nice... I would think we would see some content contracts being rumored for the true functionality.

(I am holding out hope that container fully of 'Apple Set top Boxes' is a cable ready box, complete with Docsis 3.0+ compatibility, a 'cable' app, local caching of at least 5 cable channels (current, last, adjacent up/down, and likely next (if you're surfing) and built in wireless and wired routing (effectively a TimeCapsule plus Cable box plus AppleTV, plus icloud local cache)

 

me thinks this may be a month for a 'one more thing' for minor upgrades (such as macbook pros and mac minis)

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One rumor shared in August claimed that Apple could launch some sort of TV-related product this year with enhanced control functionality. Reporter and venture capitalist MG Siegler suggested that Apple had some surprises in store for its media streaming device, and that revamped hardware would offer new ways for users to control it.

Low hanging fruit:

1) A7X AppleTV with 8 GB RAM, 32 GB SSD, 802.11ac WiFi, HDMI In and Out

2) A7X iPad Mini, Retina, 802.11ac WiFi

The iPads could be used as "personal TVs" -- each receiving its own streamed content from the AppleTV.

The iPads could be used as multiple "game controllers" via enhanced AirPlay to the AppleTV, acting as a "gaming console", connected to the HDTV.

The above capabilities could be used in the boardroom, classroom, operating room -- wherever people congregate/collaborate.

Mmm... how many AppleTVs will you need?
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A7X AppleTV with 8 GB RAM, 32 GB SSD, 802.11ac WiFi, HDMI In and Out

Mmm... how many AppleTVs will you need?

I'll take 3 please.  What would that cost- $249 per?  I don't know why the 8gb ram though- that's quite excessive.  Also- why the 32gb ssd and not 16?

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No mention of a new Apple Cinema Display that thins down like the iMacs and is 4K to meet the capabilities of the new Mac Pro (and new MBPs with TB2)?
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Obviously not all of these things are going to happen. The trick is to expect none of them at all and then be happy with what you get.

Analysts, being worthless idiots, do the opposite.

All AppleInsider has to do is change "Analysts expect Apple to..." to "Apple expected to..." and boom, instant credibility! See how easy it was?

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Here is what I want to see at the event: Announcement of China Mobile deal.  750 Million customers being offered Apple products.

 

A new mini with retina and a fingerprint reader would be HUGE judging from the public appetite around the world for the 5S.

 

Of course the Analysts will spin it negatively... until they reach the point at which the herd panics and starts to run in the direction of 'Apple is doing great.'

 

Once that happens, the Analysts again will start competing to see who can make the most outlandish claims about Apple's future success.

 

I just feel badly for the folks who are STILL publishing every bad thing they can think of about Apple.  The latest was CNBC today proclaiming the 5C a failure because it sold the same percentage as last year's 4S -- even though even a tiny amount of logic would tell them that the same percentage of vastly increased sales means MORE 5C sales.

 

Whatever.  Logic is out the window: with the media, with our government.  Facts, reason, moderation, and objectivity don't seem to be the values of the day lol.

 

Sorry, just my unsolicited boring and probably bogus personal observation!

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A7X AppleTV with 8 GB RAM, 32 GB SSD, 802.11ac WiFi, HDMI In and Out


Mmm... how many AppleTVs will you need?
I'll take 3 please.  What would that cost- $249 per?  I don't know why the 8gb ram though- that's quite excessive.  Also- why the 32gb ssd and not 16?

The RAM and SSD capacities are need for caching:
  • Multiple, concurrent streams to iPad "personal TVs"
  • Game Console games (cross-loaded from iTunes) for iPad game controllers AirPlayed to the AppleTV HDTV

The enhanced AirPlay for gaming, would involve storing game software/graphics at both ends:  1) the iPad game controllers;  2) the AppleTV. Each end would generate/display its own graphics. The data transferred between the iPads and AppleTV would be a small fraction -- just a shorthand stream containing: x,y,z location, scale, action codes, results codes, etc. -- not the graphics, themselves.

Then, when 4K TV becomes common, the AppleTV will need even more RAM and SSD storage and a faster APU.
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No mention of iWork? It's not been updated for ages. I hope an updated iWork will be released on Oct 22.
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No mention of iWork? It's not been updated for ages. I hope an updated iWork will be released on Oct 22.

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Sigh, it may turn out to be an expensive month. (giggle).

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No mention of iWork? It's not been updated for ages. I hope an updated iWork will be released on Oct 22.

Yes! Apple needs to update Pages and Numbers to provide 80% of the features that non-pro Office users use.

And, they need to provide feature parity between OSX and iOS iWork apps.
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Yes! Apple needs to update Pages and Numbers to provide 80% of the features that non-pro Office users use.

And, they need to provide feature parity between OSX and iOS iWork apps.

During WWDC, Apple did mention that they were going to launch new iWork apps for iOS and OSX this fall so there's a good chance it'll get covered in the keynote.  Anyway this is my prediction;

 

State of the iPad - iPad usage / market share, etc.

rMBP announcement & prices

Mac Pro release date & Price

Mavericks release date & price

iWorks

iPad mini retina - A6X, no Touch ID

iPad 5 - A7X, Touch ID

iPad accessories

 

not necessarily in that order.  As for the Apple TV, I think the next iteration will be a big update. I think Apple will want to leave that for a separate event.

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Angela Ahrendts - Now that's exciting!

The next set of Apple announcements will be to introduce the usual well designed and crafted Apple products we know so well, plus, hopefully a visually 'tarted up' OS will be winging it's way to our machines. But - Ahrendts, this year's queen of the catwalk! What delights are in store for us now? Tartan iPad covers? Silk sleeves for our iPhones? A range of iPad/iPhone handbags?

Joking apart, If she can get the stuffy old brigade moving away from the visual austerity of current Apple designs, as great as they are, that would be something!

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Before the end of this year i will like to have - a Mac Pro, Modo 701 and a Cintiq 13HD.

Perhaps an iPhone 5C or an iPhone 5.

 

Will you be my genie?

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Yes! Apple needs to update Pages and Numbers to provide 80% of the features that non-pro Office users use.

And, they need to provide feature parity between OSX and iOS iWork apps.

Even if they got just a couple percent closer every year I think people would be fine with Apple so long as they showed continued interest in improving iWork.
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Forgot to mention the Thunderbolt Display.. thats WAAAAY overdue.. Also, Them releasing a Mac Pro and not at least announcing a 4k display would be.. odd.. being that it can handle three 4k displays as one of it's major features..

I want to see 27" Thunderbolt Display updated to TB2, USB 3.0 (6 ports) and drop Firewire. Maybe add another Thunderbolt port.

Would also like to see The Retina Macbook Pro get Thunderbolt 2 standard as well. They could have released it when they did the Macbook Airs.. but I think they were waiting on TB2 standard to release the Mac and Macbook Pro's at same time..

I know.. dreaming.. don't pop my bubble.. ;p
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isn't calling out Gazelle as 'An AppleInsider Partner' clearly stating the 'interest'

 

I read it as such.  No need for any more explanation or disclaimer.

 

The original comment was: "If AppleInsider is being paid by Gazelle for advertising, this should be clearly stated"

 

His reply was: "Why?"

 

My reply was to his reply, which had no bearing on the content of the original post.

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Forgot to mention the Thunderbolt Display.. thats WAAAAY overdue.. Also, Them releasing a Mac Pro and not at least announcing a 4k display would be.. odd.. being that it can handle three 4k displays as one of it's major features..

I want to see 27" Thunderbolt Display updated to TB2, USB 3.0 (6 ports) and drop Firewire. Maybe add another Thunderbolt port.

Would also like to see The Retina Macbook Pro get Thunderbolt 2 standard as well. They could have released it when they did the Macbook Airs.. but I think they were waiting on TB2 standard to release the Mac and Macbook Pro's at same time..

I know.. dreaming.. don't pop my bubble.. ;p

If they have a 4K display out soon I think it'll be 31.5" since that's what all the computer display makers seem to be producing.
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If they have a 4K display out soon I think it'll be 31.5" since that's what all the displays seem to be making.

 

A 4K display from Apple would be a thing of beauty.

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isn't calling out Gazelle as 'An AppleInsider Partner' clearly stating the 'interest'

 

I read it as such.  No need for any more explanation or disclaimer.

I think this is not about what relationship Appleinsider has to the products it is promoting, it is about promoting a product within the text of an article that annoys people. It is like putting extra sentences into an article just in order to being able to mention the products it has affiliate links for. 

 

It's annoying because you start reading the promotional text thinking it is part of the story and while reading it you start to wonder how this relates to the story and then you realise that it is actually a promotion. It is like somebody telling you a somewhat incredible story (that is just made up) and you initially believe and when you are told (or realise yourself) that it was just made up, you feel cheated but also a bit stupid about yourself for not having spotted this earlier. 

 

From now on we can jump to the next paragraph whenever we see the word Gazelle but if Gazelle plays a legitimate part in the story or if part of the paragraph contained genuine information, we might miss that. 

 

Like product placement in movie or TV shows, if it becomes too obvious it detracts from the story, yanking your mind out from the actual story. 

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Even if they got just a couple percent closer every year I think people would be fine with Apple so long as they showed continued interest in improving iWork.

I think it is pretty clear that they consider iWork important for them, first by making fully-fledged iOS versions (with only some very few features missing) and then web-based versions. And doing both first is understandable, and keeping a stable feature set while as well. One can now hope that all three will evolve in lockstep.

 

It is a widely accepted position that Google is ahead of Apple in relate cloud services. Apple just now is catching up to where Google is with Google Docs (renamed to Google Drive now) but surpassing them in quality of the documents.

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Evidently you've never heard of "conflict of interest"?

 

how are those interest conflicting? 

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