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It is a flop because such a phone was even released. Of course some people will buy it only because Apple made it. It is a flop because it looks bad, has bad color choices, and it costs too much. Not the least, it comes with iOS7 (I hope they will improve iOS7 but for now, iOS7 is a flop in my book; too bad I can't switch back to iOS6 until 7.1 or 7.2 comes out)

 

Okay. You understand nothing. Thank you for telling us. Please refrain from commenting on this topic in the future.

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Okay. You understand nothing. Thank you for telling us. Please refrain from commenting on this topic in the future.

 

I think you could have just quoted the first sentence. That was all that was needed.

 

Actually... you could have ended it at 'flop'.

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I think you could have just quoted the first sentence. That was all that was needed. Actually... you could have ended it at 'flop'.

 

Thought about that, then I figured I’d cover all the bases.

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Funny how much in denial you people are, about this flop called IPhone 5c. I don't think anyone except Tim Cook and Jony Ive asked for a plastic phone, and in those colors, and at that price. Go ahead with your replies, but it shapes up to be true, as the latest rumors come it (yes, I said rumors, I know they are rumors; not all rumors all all false you know). Apple needs to catch up with the times, and update iOS and the iPhone meaningfully. At least the others are trying, and eventually Apple will copy them (control center anyone, notification center?, next touch-less voice control?) But Apple can do some things now just to catch up with itself: fix iMessage, fix control center so I don't turn my Bluetooth off and on when I try to swipe it back down, sweat those little details, Jony, like you boast in those videos.  And fix the horrible interface and functionality of Podcasts app, for G-d's sake. And update all those skeuomorphic leftover apps already.

 

You forgot the "/s"

 

I think we'll all breathe easier if we assume this on every one of dillio's posts.  Then we can say "heh, good one" and move one.


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Please... don't use made-up crap to counter posts. It just looks silly.

http://allthingsd.com/20131014/iphone-5s-outselling-iphone-5c-two-to-one/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

 

2.5 Million on opening weekend.  Compared to ~1.4 Million 4s the previous year for opening weekend.  So yes, over 1 million units sold- or a 75% increase- is "crushing" the previous sales.

 

Here's your response- "That's just one study".  To which I'll retort- "Let's see one of yours".  Then you'll say "I don't have to- the proof is on you" which translated is: I don't have one.  Then the conversation ends.

 

Lets just skip to that, huh?

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http://allthingsd.com/20131014/iphone-5s-outselling-iphone-5c-two-to-one/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

 

2.5 Million on opening weekend.  Compared to ~1.4 Million 4s the previous year for opening weekend.  So yes, over 1 million units sold- or a 75% increase- is "crushing" the previous sales.

 

Here's your response- "That's just one study".  To which I'll retort- "Let's see one of yours".  Then you'll say "I don't have to- the proof is on you" which translated is: I don't have one.  Then the conversation ends.

 

Lets just skip to that, huh?

 

Again, you are just making up stuff to support your theory.

 

... and the link has absolutely nothing in it to support your fantasy figures.

 

Silly.

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I am not a troll. I am a longtime Apple fan, and lately I've become disappointed with Apple. And I know how to spell. No need to get uptight about one honest spelling mistake. Go back and spell check all of your previous posts, if you have such a passion for it. 

 

The deal is, I am a big Apple fan, and I'm beginning to question it, and I think many other people are, if it can happen to me. The cult following is beginning to unravel for me, because I realize they're slipping up, and expecting the same kind of price and loyalty. They're not testing any limits anymore. They're not providing practical solutions to problems in an elegant way. They're just catching up to others. In other words, Apple is being anal and stubborn about things which don't count, and slipping up in things that are more important. 

Have fun with Windows!

 

The problem with people like you is that you create some fantasy in your head of what Apple should be- and you compare their reality to that. Meanwhile, us here in the real world, compare it to everything else out there.  OSX vs Windows.  Really?  iOS vs Windows vs Android.  Again- Really?

 

Compare them to the competition- not your interpretation of what they should be.

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Again, you are just making up stuff to support your theory.

 

... and the link has absolutely nothing in it to support your fantasy figures.

 

Silly.

So Apple announces that 9 million iPhones sold the first weekend.

 

9 Million x 27% 5c adoption rate = 2,430,000

 

Apple announces 6 million iPhones sold the opening weekend of the iPhone 5 last year

 

6 Million x 23% 4s adoption rate = 1,380,000

 

2,430,000 - 1,380,000 = 1,050,000 more units sold- or a 75% increase of units.

 

So what again doesn't support what?

 

Are you:

A- Terrible at math

B- So set in your ideas you refuse to look at facts

C- Intentionally trying to look like a buffoon

D- All of the above

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So Apple announces that 9 million iPhones sold the first weekend.

 

9 Million x 27% 5c adoption rate = 2,430,000

 

Apple announces 6 million iPhones sold the opening weekend of the iPhone 5 last year

 

6 Million x 23% 4s adoption rate = 1,380,000

 

So what again doesn't support what?

 

Are you:

A- Terrible at math

B- So set in your ideas you refuse to look at facts

C- Intentionally trying to look like a buffoon

D- All of the above

 

a. the study from your link includes everything until the end of September.

 

b. the company that did the study had another set of figures for another study last year and in that article we learned that they polled less than 400 people from a pool of just over 6000 people. Any statistics major will tell you that if the same number of people is used for the current study then the margin of error between 23% and 27% is damn near a dead heat.

 

c. the study from your link is U. S. A. only.

 

d. educate yourself

 

Silly.

 

[ things we absolutely don't know... a. how many 4s units were made and in the channel last year; b. how many 5c units were made and in the channel this year; c. how many 5c units were made for US sales and how many for the rest of the world ]


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There’s a joke here…

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That being said, where's that "Delete my account" button? How do you remove your AI account?

 

We don’t do that. Just stop posting if you want to stop posting.

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That fantasy world is created by Apple itself, and those Jony Ive videos. When you set yourself up for perfection, you gotta live up to it, or lower the damn prices.

If you aren't buying a 5C, what does it matter to you about the price. Buh-bye.
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No dude, I want out.

 

It doesn’t happen. They don’t delete accounts. Ever. Just stop posting.

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a. the study from your link includes everything until the end of September.

b. the company that did the study had another set of figures for another study last year and in that article we learned that they polled less than 400 people from a pool of just over 6000 people. Any statistics major will tell you that if the same number of people is used for the current study then the margin of error between 23% and 27% is damn near a dead heat.

c. the study from your link is U. S. A. only.

d. educate yourself

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http://allthingsd.com/20131014/iphone-5s-outselling-iphone-5c-two-to-one/?reflink=ATD_yahoo_ticker

Here's your response- "That's just one study".  To which I'll retort- "Let's see one of yours".  Then you'll say "I don't have to- the proof is on you" which translated is: I don't have one.  Then the conversation ends.

Lets just skip to that, huh?

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23 and 27% aren't a dead heat when you are talking about 6 million vs 9 million units sold. If you believe the 27%- then the 4S would have needed to account for 40.5% of the iPhones sold to be a "dead heat" in units sold. You REALLY suck at math. Like, bad.

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You BEST post today! Keep it up. :D

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We don’t do that. Just stop posting if you want to stop posting.

Oh no, that would be too easy. It also demonstrates that continuing to post here is a choice and act of free will. That he keeps making.

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I assume the "but but but advertising!" posts are coming from the fandroids who don't understand iPhone buyers. If you're ready for an upgrade and you can afford the iPhone 5s, guess what? You're not going to buy last year's models to save $100. I wouldn't. The fact that the iPhone 5c doesn't have a smaller percent of the new iPhones sold would indicate that the new colors and advertising have compensated for the plastic case for buyers of the $99 year-old iPhone.

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There will be a few more posts to get these AI folks to remove my account. Not sure if I can beat this one though.

Drama queen.

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There will be a few more posts to get these AI folks to remove my account.

 

Just shut up and stop posting. This is ludicrously infantile.

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Hah! Like clockwork


23 and 27% aren't a dead heat when you are talking about 6 million vs 9 million units sold. If you believe the 27%- then the 4S would have needed to account for 40.5% of the iPhones sold to be a "dead heat" in units sold. You REALLY suck at math. Like, bad.

 

So you are sticking with the theory that if Apple would not have sold units to China this year then the number of units sold would have been 6 - 6.5 million in the 3 day weekend.

 

(for those that give a shit, I'll explain if he bites)

 

[ a very simplified version of where I was going... Andysol is claiming that 9 million units were sold in the USA... and we all know that just isn't true]


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Originally Posted by dillio View Post
There will be a few more posts to get these AI folks to remove my account.

 

Just shut up and stop posting. This is ludicrously infantile.

Oh, you're being too harsh. Posts like his provide me comic relief... :lol: 

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iPhone 5 was released a year ago. If they sold it now, at $99, instead of this 5c, that would not have been a flop, you're correct. Time will tell, but even before that, it's just a head-scratcher that Apple thought there was a need do to this to the iPhone 5. I predict it will fail, when the initial release dust settles.

I think when you are too cost sensitive you become irrational. You can get either the 5s or the 5c for zero down from AT&T with their new Next™ offering. It is the monthly fee that costs all the money. The cost of every other high end smartphone is the same price. If a $100 dollars here or there is going to be a deal breaker how do you expect to pay the $2000+ two year contract. The down payment is peanuts. People who buy last year's phone to save a hundred dollars are penny wise, pound foolish. The only reason to buy the 5c is because it comes in bright colors.

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Various points:

 

The 100 euro/difference is there partly to tempt people considering a 5C to make the extra effort for a 5s. It would be great for Apple if all potential 5C buyers could find the the extra 100.

 

It seems the 5C is selling in proportionally lower numbers than the 5s but is selling all the same.

 

The big and killer question is whether Apple is generating the kind of sales volume it estimated and if it isn't, are those 'lost' buyers buying into Android? If the people not buying iPhones, but who are in the market for one, are just holding off for longer, then perhaps Apple can sweat it out but if people look at Apple's offerings and conclude:

 

Lousy screen size options.
Premium Pricing
Low capacity (especially on the 4S)
Zero expandability to ease the problems caused by the (expensive) on board memory
No black plastic 5C (what if bright colours aren't my style?)
iPhones are seldom discounted (unlocked) between launches whereas Android phones may be off your price radar at launch but pop onto it a couple of months later.

 

The result may be they turn to Android and have every one of their smartphone fantasies made reality with one exception: iOS7.

 

Then the question becomes how many iOS users is Apple losing to Android?

 

Clearly there is still a lot of room for first time smartphone buyers to get their first phone. That should be a market Apple would want to take a chunk of. More so, if they can do it making a profit while taking sales away from competitors (Samsung probably needs volume more than Apple does). There will also be Android users tired of the issues connected with Android phones (difficult upgrade paths leaving you stuck on old versions of Android and the problems that brings etc).

 

That brings us full circle and we look at what Apple is offering (the conclusions above). Would an Android user be prepared to sacrifice that much just to avoid Android's habitual problems?

 

I'd say that on screen size alone, Apple is losing a lot of sales.


Pricing is also an impediment if your can pick up a top of the line Android phone for much less than an equivalent iPhone or go further down the line and get an Android phone that was a flagship phone just months ago at a discounted price.
Capacities are also a problem. it's just plain evil that the 4S comes with just 8GB (seeing as there are  zero expandability options). It's also 'old' and people are sensitive to age in this market.

 

Then we have the emerging markets issue. I think they missed the ball completely there.

 

If Apple is happy with 5s sales  then  great. Is Apple happy with 5C and 4S sales? I'd say probably not (if the rumours of cuts in component orders prove to be true).

 

So what can they do?

 

I think an easy option would be too chop 200 dollars/euros off the 5C and make a black version. It wouldn't be the first time they got iPhone pricing wrong! Bump the 4S up to 16GB baseline capacity and add a BTO 32GB offering - keeping pricing competitive.

If they planned to have these models right through to October 2014 I think they should re-think the plan.

 

I was surprised that a larger screen offering wasn't released last month. I think it was a huge mistake but a harder one to fix but they should release one ASAP.

 

Personally I think Apple is bleeding sales needlessly. I was in the market for an iPhone but have given up on it (it's out of my price range for what I want). Android has all my needs covered except iOS at much better price/quality points. That means one less iOS user and one less sale for Apple. One more Android user and one more sale (to Samsung or Sony).

 

If Apple has a blowout Christmas then great for them but I have a feeling that whatever the sales, the markets will frown on them for not shifting as many units as they could have and the share price will suffer.

This is conditioned by newer pre xmas offerings. If Apple delivers a killer product(s) next Tuesday then the share price might get off lightly.

 

However, the underlying problem remains. We're not talking about diving into the low end market but the mid range market with a new phone. I have around 400/450 euros for an unlocked phone but all Apple can offer me is an 'old' 4S that is crippled with 8GB of memory and only one screen size. I don't have the 599 euros required for a 5C and a subsidised plan would tie me to options I don't want.

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So much comedy in this thread! I'm kinda sad the mods cleaned dillio's posts out.

Anyway isn't it obvious by how many unsold 5Cs are at retailers that 5C sales are running below Apple and retailers expectations?

The positive thing is the 5S is seemingly picking up the sales slack but Apple obviously anticipated far higher sales or else they wouldn't have produced so many 5Cs to begin with.
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It seems obvious to me that this is a move Apple had planned all along. Cook does not screw up on this kind of stuff.

The production ramp on the new model's components was slow as has been true for every new model, but the 5C uses mostly existing components that already were being manufactured in great quantities. So Apple built a lot of 5C's initially, because they could, and Pagatron had put the capacity in place. That capacity was always planned to be used for 5S production eventually when the components were in full supply.

The assemblers like Pegatron only saw low quantities of the 5S and high quantities of the 5C being built initially, and then analysts are surprised when Apple rebalances their production to meet actual (and predicted) demand.

BTW, layoffs are not mentioned, just a halt in new hiring. So the total volume is the same.

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So much comedy in this thread! I'm kinda sad the mods cleaned dillio's posts out.

Anyway isn't it obvious by how many unsold 5Cs are at retailers that 5C sales are running below Apple and retailers expectations?

The positive thing is the 5S is seemingly picking up the sales slack but Apple obviously anticipated far higher sales or else they wouldn't have produced so many 5Cs to begin with.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Apple 'can' increase production of the 5s. In contrast to all the people who have been saying that the 5s is harder to make.

 

Sure doesn't sound like it. It seems as if the 5s is as easy to make as the 5c. Drop the production of the 5c, increase the 5s.

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So you are sticking with the theory that if Apple would not have sold units to China this year then the number of units sold would have been 6 - 6.5 million in the 3 day weekend.

(for those that give a shit, I'll explain if he bites)

[ a very simplified version of where I was going... Andysol is claiming that 9 million units were sold in the USA... and we all know that just isn't true]

No- I never claimed that. But you can spin whatever you want to make you feel correct- which you clearly aren't.

I don't care if it sold in the US, China, or Africa. So while you pull stats out of your ass- like "2.5-3 million iPhones were sold internationally"- which you have no clue about- I will give you concrete data, like 6 and 9 million. Numbers don't lie. You on the other hand...

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No- I never claimed that. But you can spin whatever you want to make you feel correct- which you clearly aren't.

I don't care if it sold in the US, China, or Africa. So while you pull stats out of your ass- like "2.5-3 million iPhones were sold internationally"- which you have no clue about- I will give you concrete data, like 6 and 9 million. Numbers don't lie. You on the other hand...

 

Lol.

 

You just wouldn't listen to the fact that it is a USA study.

 

I have no clue about? How about the things you don't know about:

 

1. How many 4s units were made available last year.

 

2. How many 5c units were made available to the US this year.

 

3. How many 5c units were left in the channel

 

4. How many 5c units were sold in China (oh, btw, if the number jumped from 5 million to 9 million that's an 80% increase... so, if China is included and last year 2 million units were sold in China on opening weekend then add 80%, well, you get the idea... and since the Chinese market is apparently increasing...)

 

5. Since you are making up numbers then I'll making up even more numbers... 6.2 million units were sold without the China numbers. Round down the 27% to 25% and last year's 4s numbers up to 25% (margin of error thingy which doesn't seem to concern you) and you get 1.25 vs. 1.55 which is a 24% jump. Oops!

 

Things aint looking good for your numbers anymore...

 

If the 5c wasn't left in the channel (ie. 5s) then I'd say your numbers might be semi accurate, being that they might have been able to sell a few more in the US without the China numbers... but, with inventory seeming to be quite ample I'd say you have to only include the US numbers... which, of course you didn't do.

 

... and we still don't know how many 4s units were made available last year. By all accounts I read there were few if any left in the channel... which means they probably could have sold a lot more.

 

You see pal, this is all about business growth. 23% vs. 27%... a dead heat when including margin of error. If you are going to say that they could have sold more in the USA if they would have had them (the origin of your study with USA only numbers) then you have to say the same thing about the 4s numbers last year. Either the numbers are finite this year and last or they are not. YOu seem to have chosen finite numbers... what they sold in the US is the only amount they were able to sell, regardless of numbers available.


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You see pal, this is all about business growth. 23% vs. 27%... a dead heat when including margin of error. If you are going to say that they could have sold more in the USA if they would have had them (the origin of your study with USA only numbers) then you have to say the same thing about the 4s numbers last year. Either the numbers are finite this year and last or they are not. YOu seem to have chosen finite numbers... what they sold in the US is the only amount they were able to sell, regardless of numbers available.

 

The supply lines of 5c still in the channel is a moot point.  The 5 faced the same supply (because of demand) constraints the 5s is facing.  So channel has nothing to do with it.  They aren't sold out of the 5c just like they weren't sold out of the 4s last year.  Apples to Apples.

 

What you are right about, is the comparison about adding china.  However- what you are wrong about- is the assumption that the same amount of iPhones were sold in the US (6.2) and the remainder went to China (3).  We don't know that.  What we also don't know is what the percentages in China were.  But again- even if they sold zero of the 5c in China- it would still be a dead heat here in the US for supply.  Take into account that they likely did sell in China as well- let's take a tiny amount like 15% (although it might be higher, you can agree)- that is still a 450,000 increase in "mid-tier" sales.  Take that number up to 27% and its 810,000 more.  Again- that's assuming it's a dead heat in the US.

 

But please also think objectively.  I know you are trying to prove your point, but rounding down the 5c numbers and rounding up the 4s numbers isn't being exactly fair.  Yes, there is margin of error- so while I can concede the 23% of 4s and 27% of 5c are actually 25%- you should also be able to concede it could easily be 21% and 29% based on those same errors- which now makes my point look better.  So again- I realize rounding errors take place, and I appreciate you discussion- I really do.  But let's be fair all the way around.

The fact of the matter is- volume wise- a substantial more amount of 5c phones have sold vs the 4s during the same stretch of time- regardless of the reasons.

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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post
 

 

The supply lines of 5c still in the channel is a moot point.  The 5 faced the same supply (because of demand) constraints the 5s is facing.  So channel has nothing to do with it.  They aren't sold out of the 5c just like they weren't sold out of the 4s last year.  Apples to Apples.

 

What you are right about, is the comparison about adding china.  However- what you are wrong about- is the assumption that the same amount of iPhones were sold in the US (6.2) and the remainder went to China (3).  We don't know that.  What we also don't know is what the percentages in China were.  But again- even if they sold zero of the 5c in China- it would still be a dead heat here in the US for supply.  Take into account that they likely did sell in China as well- let's take a tiny amount like 15% (although it might be higher, you can agree)- that is still a 450,000 increase in "mid-tier" sales.  Take that number up to 27% and its 810,000 more.  Again- that's assuming it's a dead heat in the US.

 

But please also think objectively.  I know you are trying to prove your point, but rounding down the 5c numbers and rounding up the 4s numbers isn't being exactly fair.  Yes, there is margin of error- so while I can concede the 23% of 4s and 27% of 5c are actually 25%- you should also be able to concede it could easily be 21% and 29% based on those same errors- which now makes my point look better.  So again- I realize rounding errors take place, and I appreciate you discussion- I really do.  But let's be fair all the way around.

The fact of the matter is- volume wise- a substantial more amount of 5c phones have sold vs the 4s during the same stretch of time- regardless of the reasons.

 

Your problem is that you keep telling me that I don't know certain things. Of course, the flip side of that is that you don't know things.

 

You should just leave it at that.

 

We both don't know.

 

You can no more prove your figures than I can prove mine.

 

We're both equally right and we're both equally wrong. How's that for you.

 

Have a nice day.

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post #152 of 153
Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

We both don't know.

We’re both equally right…

 

Well, at least you know you don’t know what you don’t know. That ended pretty well!

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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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Well, at least you know you don’t know what you don’t know. That ended pretty well!

 

It's my new softer side.

 

Idiocy in the face of adversity.

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