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They'll call it "no-touch multi-touch".

"no-touch S-multi-S-touch."

post #42 of 82
Standards Essential Patents or SEP's are also regularly filed for by the members of the committee that chooses the standards. Many are filed for immediately after the committee commits to one standard over another. They are a necessary part of making machines interoprable not necessarily very innovative at all. As current law has evolved, SEP's have become a less powerful lever to force cross licensing, and the encumbent companies who thought they had created a barrier to entry have been disabused of that notion by the courts. I believe this is the right thing to do to support innovation and growth in the industry.
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One word: BAM!

 

Samsung Mobile just saw its existence flash before its eyes.

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post #44 of 82
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So what features does multi touch cover?
Pinch to zoom, swipe to turn the page, swipe down for menu? 

Read the story: This patent covers (20) TWENTY different actions. You can't even pick your nose while scrolling without stumbling over this patent.
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Standards Essential Patents or SEP's [...] are a necessary part of making machines interoprable not necessarily very innovative at all. As current law has evolved, SEP's have become a less powerful lever to force cross licensing, and the encumbent companies who thought they had created a barrier to entry have been disabused of that notion by the courts. I believe this is the right thing to do to support innovation and growth in the industry.

The established practice of "FRAND" licensing of standards-essential patents helped Apple Computer become a major smartphone manufacturer virtually overnight--and to rename itself Apple, Inc. even before the first iPhone was sold. It caught standards-essential patent holders in the cell phone industry by complete surprise, such was the nature of the disruptive, new technology embodied in the iPhone.

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How does stylus replace multi-touch - Except as the other gentleman suggested chopsticks (Korean version), but it will still be multi-touch pinch. Oh! Maybe Samsung will do the air-waving pinch!

A stylus, being a different form of entry couldn't completely replace multi-touch elegantly. For example, pinch -to-zoom might be done by holding down on a screen button represented by a "plus" or "minus" sign. Yeah, clutzie and crude, but doable.

If Apple denies other companies the right to use this patent in order to differentiate itself from the competition, then Samsung and others will have spent years advertising and promoting Apple's patent. In the end Apple may sell rights to parts of the multi-touch patent -- just enough to allow multi-touch to remain clumsy and incomplete on all devices except Apple's products.
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post #47 of 82
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"no-touch S-multi-S-touch."

Galaxy S no-touch Galaxy S Active multi-touch.
post #48 of 82
...and overnight all brands started looking like old Blackberry phones, and tablets...well THAT just became ugly!
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post #49 of 82
No impact at all
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

Hopefully Apple follows Steve Jobs wishes and goes thermonuclear with this patent rather than just licensing it.

And they have every right to.

Steve Jobs likely significantly decreased his lifespan by working to innovate this technology.
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What Apple has done besides innovation to be what it is today... Ideally, what mobile companies and especially the ones with smartphones should learn from Apple from a business strategy perspective?

Read the article here - http://nishithsblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/what-mobile-companies-should-learn-from-apple/
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But Android is more advanced than iOS's multi touch. Android has multiple touch.

Multiple touches, grabs and steal. :P

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What Apple has done besides innovation to be what it is today... Ideally, what mobile companies and especially the ones with smartphones should learn from Apple from a business strategy perspective?

Read the article here - http://nishithsblog.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/what-mobile-companies-should-learn-from-apple/

Your pictures are really nice. :)

 

Bookmarked. (for real it later)

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Originally posted by cpsro

Multi-stylus pinch-to-zoom! Chopstick interface.

This! Best comment of the day...

+ 2 :D

post #55 of 82
Typical...LOL...GOOG up 10% on slightly beating analysts profitability predictions, meanwhile AAPL up less than 1% on news of reaffirmation of one of the most important patents in Apple's patent trove. Oh, Wall Street. You idiots.

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post #56 of 82
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Typical...LOL...GOOG up 10% on slightly beating analysts profitability predictions, meanwhile AAPL up less than 1% on news of reaffirmation of one of the most important patents in Apple's patent trove. Oh, Wall Street. You idiots.

Guess your tone means you aren't a Google stockholder 1wink.gif
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Guess your tone means you aren't a Google stockholder 1wink.gif

You are correct. 1wink.gif

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post #58 of 82
GOOG has just broken more than $1,000/share... LOL! Oh, the humanity...

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GOOG has just broken more than $1,000/share... LOL! Oh, the humanity...

Over a 40% gain in the past 12 months? I don't know anyone saw that coming. . .1hmm.gif
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Over a 40% gain in the past 12 months? I don't know anyone saw that coming. . .1hmm.gif

Certainly not anyone with their head screwed on straight. I guess the Apple multi-touch patent news hasn't reached the thinking part of investors brains yet. All they see right now is a fast buck on GOOG. Ha!

You know, another stick that has been on an absolute tear like a bat outta heck has been CMG (Chipotle Mexican Grill). They're up about 10% today also and they've been hitting record highs for weeks. I'm calling the next bubble now.
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post
GOOG has just broken more than $1,000/share... LOL! Oh, the humanity...

 

WHY ARE THEY UP 110 DOLLARS TODAY?! WHAT COULD THEY HAVE POSSIBLY DONE SINCE YESTERDAY TO DESERVE THAT?!

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WHY ARE THEY UP 110 DOLLARS TODAY?! WHAT COULD THEY HAVE POSSIBLY DONE SINCE YESTERDAY TO DESERVE THAT?!

This.

http://www.ibtimes.com/google-inc-goog-q3-2013-earnings-report-beats-wall-street-estimates-1431124
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

 

Psychotic. I can’t wait for their crash.

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post #64 of 82
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Psychotic. I can’t wait for their crash.

You might be waiting a while. Google has successfully made new and profitable revenue streams.
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You might be waiting a while. Google has successfully made new and profitable revenue streams.

Ironically, a large percentage of those new revenue streams rely on mobile, aka iOS devices! And the upheld Apple multitouch patent won't do Android any favors!

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Standards Essential Patents or SEP's are also regularly filed for by the members of the committee that chooses the standards. Many are filed for immediately after the committee commits to one standard over another. They are a necessary part of making machines interoprable not necessarily very innovative at all. As current law has evolved, SEP's have become a less powerful lever to force cross licensing, and the encumbent companies who thought they had created a barrier to entry have been disabused of that notion by the courts. I believe this is the right thing to do to support innovation and growth in the industry.

So "making machines interoperable" is supposedly a valid reason to seize a patent as SEP? What's multitouch got to do with interoperability?

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Update: Chipotle (CMG) up about 15% today...madness!

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I have to agree with you on that.  I can't seem to come up with an example where the patent holder took over a market and the others faded away.

>> I have to agree with you on that.  I can't seem to come up with an example where the patent holder took over a market and the others faded away.

 

There was Polaroid vs Kodak, where Kodak was forced to pull it's instant camera from store shelves and landfill the inventory.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHKxg6exeGA

 

Although maybe thats a cautionary tale; Polaroid died long before Kodak did.

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>> I have to agree with you on that.  I can't seem to come up with an example where the patent holder took over a market and the others faded away.

 

There was Polaroid vs Kodak, where Kodak was forced to pull it's instant camera from store shelves and landfill the inventory.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHKxg6exeGA

 

Although maybe thats a cautionary tale; Polaroid died long before Kodak did.

There aren't many stories like the Polaroid one, I didn't remember that story until you brought it up.  Good memory recall.

post #70 of 82
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Originally Posted by Landcruiser View Post
 

Sounds like Mulit-touch will become a Standard-essential patent. Probably a good revenue stream for Apple.

 

I thought that companies submit their patents to be considered for SEP, which is sometimes an advantage with competing solutions. If this is true, why in the world would Apple go this route to charge a fee (which they do not need) rather than block all infringing devices?

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Why?

 

What is "standards essential" and who will oversee the "standard"?

 

Google can go back to the original Android released in the US without multitouch and start over.

 

Nokia, HTC, Sony and others will be happy, they cross licensed.

 

As Samsung full well knows having contemptuously and illegally obtained the license agreements from Google's douchebag puppet law firm.

 

The "noose" is turning to rusty barbed wire,


Exactly. Apple has no need and I suspect no desire, to make multi-touch a SEP. And no reason to cross license anything from Samsung as their SEP can be bought at fair prices now

post #72 of 82
So, does this mean Android uses a 'multi-steal' interface?

Can & will Samsung get around it by switching to Tizen?
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So, does this mean Android uses a 'multi-steal' interface?

Can & will Samsung get around it by switching to Tizen?

Only if it doesn't have multi-gesture, if that's what is patented.  

post #74 of 82
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Exactly. Apple has no need and I suspect no desire, to make multi-touch a SEP. And no reason to cross license anything from Samsung as their SEP can be bought at fair prices now

Can't certain patents be forced into SEP and FRAND if they are deemed important enough for fair business practices?
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Can't certain patents be forced into SEP and FRAND if they are deemed important enough for fair business practices?

No. Patent holders must agree to it. Besides you can make phones without Apple's patents.
post #76 of 82
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Although maybe thats a cautionary tale; Polaroid died long before Kodak did.

Never give up hoping that Apple will die, while the copyists live on.

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post #77 of 82
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Can't certain patents be forced into SEP and FRAND if they are deemed important enough for fair business practices?

No. And why would you ever want to forcibly seize a company's patents? For interoperability between vendors, perhaps. But multitouch has nothing to so with interoperability.

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post #78 of 82
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Typical...LOL...GOOG up 10% on slightly beating analysts profitability predictions, meanwhile AAPL up less than 1% on news of reaffirmation of one of the most important patents in Apple's patent trove. Oh, Wall Street. You idiots.
Go Figure! All the big banks and financial institutions are run by crooks! They decides who wins and who looses.
post #79 of 82
This "news" is a scam - and is carried only by a few tech enthusiast sites. None of the mainstream media sites - Reuters, Bloomberg, WSJ, etc are talking anything about this.

Google "multitouch patent" and see all the results. Do you really think mainstream media sites would miss this story for over 36 hours?

This scam is a blatant attempt to push down Google shares and buy some shares in anticipation of the pop after earnings. Many readers of AppleInsider have probably lost money selling Google on the back of this "news".

A casual and quick perusal of the results and the timings show clearly that AppleInsider is the first site to carry this story. Other sites probably picked this story from AI and ran with it.

I think AI can expect a knock on their door for blatant misrepresentation. SEC looks at these things with a dim view and is definitely going to investigate this.

If you want evidence of this story being a scam, the USPTO was closed because of the Federal Shutdown for 17 days. What are the chances they will make such an announcement hours after opening after such a long break?
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Originally Posted by macarena View Post

This "news" is a scam - and is carried only by a few tech enthusiast sites. None of the mainstream media sites - Reuters, Bloomberg, WSJ, etc are talking anything about this.

Google "multitouch patent" and see all the results. Do you really think mainstream media sites would miss this story for over 36 hours?

This scam is a blatant attempt to push down Google shares and buy some shares in anticipation of the pop after earnings. Many readers of AppleInsider have probably lost money selling Google on the back of this "news".

A casual and quick perusal of the results and the timings show clearly that AppleInsider is the first site to carry this story. Other sites probably picked this story from AI and ran with it.

I think AI can expect a knock on their door for blatant misrepresentation. SEC looks at these things with a dim view and is definitely going to investigate this.

If you want evidence of this story being a scam, the USPTO was closed because of the Federal Shutdown for 17 days. What are the chances they will make such an announcement hours after opening after such a long break?

Under-reported or not, it appears to be accurate:

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/10/us-patent-office-confirmed-all-20.html?m=1

The general news media is typically very weak when it comes to reporting technical information.

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