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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post
 

I've noticed the majority of people who complain about iOS 7 are those that haven't USED it or can't use it because their devices are too old. Everyone I've talked to who has upgraded, loves iOS 7. Yes, the colors are a bit garish, but a lot of the new features that make it easier to use far out weigh the color scheme.

 

Control Center, the new notifications, swiping from left to right to go back a screen, the new Safari, the app switcher (multi-tasker), etc.

 

I would NEVER go back to iOS 6 and using iOS 5 on my iPad is awful now. :(  Well not awful, but makes it feel so dated.

 

I find the same scenarios. My only complaint (ha) is that iOS 7 should be for the 4s and above. It is painfully slow on my 4. How slow you ask? The only thing slower is the arrival of my 5s! :P  

post #122 of 270

Based on my own personal experience, I ask every iphone user I come across while I'm in the field two simple questions, "did you upgrade to IOS7" and "how do you like it".

 

I've asked probably 100 folks so far and overwhelming response is negative, many find the apps less intuitive and harder to see.  Very few like the flat icons, they are just not "pretty".  Some said, "were they trying to copy Microsoft?".  I honestly have not talked with anyone who said that it was better, even though it has some great features.

 

I bet the uptake slows even more as people talk.  If Apple doesn't listen and react to this, there will be a price to pay moving forward.

post #123 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

Search results/methodology?

 

The thinking behind the new search system completely eludes me. I'm sure there's reasoning there, but whatever it is comes at the expense of speed and ease-of-use -- it's a HELL of a lot slower and less convenient than the old way. I very, very, very much prefer the old "progressive exclusion" system.

 

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I "googled around" and the internet says you're full of it.

 

That's entirely possible, but I can tell you first hand that I often run into issues that seem to suggest that something is broken in iT11. For example, our need to sync libraries across systems means that it frequently loses track of various kinds of metadata, especially artwork. TV series get mixed up, music tracks disappear and some Movies mysteriously become Home Videos. Because of the haphazard approach to saving such information, with some being written back to the source file while other parts are saved in the iTunes library, it's really hard to manage and troubleshoot.

 

As for iOS7, I don't hate it but I would switch back to 6 if I could. One of the stated objectives, to create consistency of controls across apps, hasn't been met. The idea was that we'd have to learn a new interface, but things like moving and deleting content would be accomplished the same way in each Apple app. Since that hasn't happened, the benefit of the re-learning effort is significantly diminished.

 

I'm also not convinced that the elimination of borders and clearly defined buttons and hot zones was a good idea. I find myself having to consciously think about inputs whereas they were unconscious / automatic before.

 

iOS7 seems to be putting MUCH more strain on my old iPhone 4 to the point where sometimes I want to just throw the phone out the window, but I'm told that some people with the same hardware have actually experienced an IMPROVEMENT in performance, so take that for whatever it's worth.

post #124 of 270
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Based on my own personal experience, I ask every iphone user I come across while I'm in the field two simple questions, "did you upgrade to IOS7" and "how do you like it".

I've asked probably 100 folks so far and overwhelming response is negative, many find the apps less intuitive and harder to see.  Very few like the flat icons, they are just not "pretty".  Some said, "were they trying to copy Microsoft?".  I honestly have not talked with anyone who said that it was better, even though it has some great features.

I bet the uptake slows even more as people talk.  If Apple doesn't listen and react to this, there will be a price to pay moving forward.
Amazing how all the people who hate iOS 7 seem to have anecdotes of all these people they've 'surveyed' who also hate iOS 7 and don't like that its "flat" or it looks too much like Windows 8. I think it's all a bunch of BS. I can tell you 99% of my family and friends wouldn't even know what "flat" meant. The minute I hear Internet buzz words like "flat" I get suspicious. Especially since iOS 7 isn't flat in so many ways.
post #125 of 270
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Originally Posted by macxpress View Post

Not sure why all the negative about iOS 7. I love it. No problems at all for me on my iPhone 5C. I'm not sure why people are hating it. I'd like to know the reason(s) and not just "it sucks". I personally think iOS 6 and below was getting a little long in the tooth as far as the design. Its looked the same far too long and the glassy icons and other parts of the UI were just getting really old. The other parts of iOS 6 like the green felt in Game Center, leather appearance of Find my Friends and other apps are just plain ugly to me. I like the simplistic approach of iOS 7's design. 

The functionality of iOS 7 really didn't change. Its just the UI of the things you're tapping on that changed. I'm not sure why all the fuss about it. 

I don't see Apple losing its mojo at all. Keep things the way they were I think would make Apple lose its mojo. You have to keep up and push, not settle for whats always worked. If you just sit there and settle, you'll be the next Blackberry. 

I'm hoping the next version of OS X after Mavericks has more of an iOS 7'isk UI change. More of a flatter design. I think its time for a change. 

There is no fuss, just manufactured Internet stories to garner website hits. Next week Tim Cook will get up on stage and tell us iOS 7 is the fastest upgrade in iOS history. Also, a lot of the design or "polish" issues are fixable. Unlike the mess that is Windows 8. People seem to be forgetting that iOS 7 is really a version 1.0 product that was redesigned in about 7 months. I have no doubt it will get better over time. And I also have no doubt Apple will take customer feedback in to consideration. Probably more so than they ever would have under Steve Jobs.
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This chart is derived from all iOS-based browsing, but not all iOS devices are eligible to run iOS7.  Maybe some clarification is needed.

post #127 of 270
IOS 7 has many reasons to dislike, IOS 6 was just removal of googles apps.
post #128 of 270
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I think the problem here is that your comments lack critical thought and insight.  Any idiot can glean their own reality/"truth" from the Intertubes, if they try hard enough.

 

On the other hand, your posts have amused today, albeit in a train-wrecky sort of way.

 

Blablabla. Glad to be of help anyway.

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post #129 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

... just google around. 

 

Why should I contribute to that privacy sucking train wreck?

 

Bing it.

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post #130 of 270

Two things I hate about iOS 7: 1) Calendar no longer has event preview and you're forced to click deeper to view your events 2) everything is too white, black looked more sophisticated, and one thing that really bugs me is the white controls for movies

post #131 of 270
To me it's way better in every way. Ios 6 was looking extremely dated.
post #132 of 270
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Originally Posted by psitthipo View Post
 

Two things I hate about iOS 7: 1) Calendar no longer has event preview and you're forced to click deeper to view your events 2) everything is too white, black looked more sophisticated, and one thing that really bugs me is the white controls for movies

Send your feedback to Apple.   www.apple.com/feedback

 

white controls for movies?  I think the way they have it is just fine.

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One of the great little things in ios7 for me is the ability to listen to spotify on wifi, walk out of the house leave wifi, and switch to lte without the music stopping.
post #134 of 270
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Originally Posted by Paandy View Post

Fix all the bugs and I might give it a shot:\

 

Given the complexity of today's software it's impossible to fix all bugs. That said, I have found iOS 7 to be less buggy than iOS 6. remember at this point last year Maps was a disaster, Exchange didn't work right, and batteries were draining under iOS 6. The USA Today article seems overblown and another attempt at Apple bashing.

post #135 of 270
I have switched to IOS7 and I, along with many of my clients, do not like the look and feel. It is a step backward, looks like a candy store and it took away the polish of the previous IOS. Perhaps they will step back to an interface that looks better than IOS7. I would have to guess Mr. Jobs would be displeased with IOS7. It looks like something M$ or Droid would produce.
post #136 of 270
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Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post
 

 

You really need to read before responding.

 

 

Thank you. But isn't it befuddling that this distinction needs to be highlighted?

 

Please enlighten me as to how you can take advantage of a display in any way except to display things on it.

post #137 of 270
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Originally Posted by Jessi View Post
 

 

 

Have to love people bragging about devices with resolutions higher than your eye can discern.  Apple was the one that pushed technology into the retina area... and now, like they always do, the mindless android competition takes it as far as they can as if going from 300dpi to 400 dpi is some sort of advantage.  (well, if lower battery life, and a bigger, heavier, poorer quality experience were some sort of "advantage".) 

 

Talk about specs for specs sake. 

 

Meanwhile, when Apple moves the state of the art forward, they call it "change for change's sake". 

 

Its like they are completely irrational.  

 

I don't know about you, but to me the difference between a display like that on the iPhone and one like that on the HTC One is night and day.  You can pick out a pixel if you look for it on the iPhone, but not on the One.  It's even noticeable when you look at them at a normal distance.  The One's display looks smoother even if you can't say that you see an individual pixel.  You'll discover the difference when the iPhone gets upgraded to a higher resolution.

post #138 of 270
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
 

 

Please enlighten me as to how you can take advantage of a display in any way except to display things on it.

 

I could display a 300x200 pixel picture on a HD TV, but I would not be "taking advantage" of the high definition capability.  Do you feel enlightened now?  

post #139 of 270
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Originally Posted by dugbug View Post

 

Drop the hyperbole.  Explain yourself clearly: What is worse about itunes 11 sync/backup.  is it buggy?

I am not talking about iTunes 11's "sync/backup" (which probably works in the same way as before); I am talking about iTunes 11 itself and the fact that I would be obliged to use it in order to sync/backup an iOS 7 device - a total train wreck and much, much worse than iTunes 10 in virtually every respect, particularly in terms of UI, large library management, album list view, etc. etc. etc. No need to elaborate, just google around. 

The problem with Apple is what I call the peacock syndrome: healthy, shiny feathers signify a healthy male with good genes, and as a result evolutionary pressure was on for such features; with peacocks they spiraled out of control: the feathers are so long and so pretty and shiny that they attract predators and turn the male into a clumsy, "useless" bird.

When it comes to Apple, the keyword isn't "shiny & pretty" but "simple": reducing complexity is a good thing *IF AND ONLY IF* functionality and the data model don't suffer.

Occam's razor stipulates to simplify things, but not beyond the point where the stop describing reality.

I'm all for simplification, but I'm absolutely against oversimplification. I rather deal with a certain amount of needless complexity than dealing with a system that can't handle reality because it's designed to demo well and only is able to handle the reality of 90% of the people 90% of the time.

Apple's problem is that they don't realize that their problem isn't anymore being too complicated but that it is being oversimplified.

Mail.app and iTunes.app are good examples; just getting rid of cover flow view for visually oriented people like me is a disaster; exploring my music library has become a total chore compared to what it used to be.
Nobody was forced to use cover flow; so why take it away from the people who love it?

Plenty of other examples, but Apple refuses to listen, (over)simplification has turned into a corporate religion at Apple.
post #140 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

It's all very simple:

 

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What's not to dislike?

You?

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I post this as someone who a) likes iOS 7 (for the most part), b) understands that people are more likely to complain than praise things, c) knows that people complain about change and new things, and d) knows that sentiment analysis is far far far from perfect.  Having said that, check out this nifty sentiment analysis tool that shows that (at the moment) the sentiment for iOS 7 (18 on a 100-point scale where 0 is bad and 100 is good) is lower than that of Congress (42) and barely above "death" (14).  

 

http://topsy.com/s?q=ios7&type=tweet

 

IOS 6 earns a 42

iPhone: 61

Mac: 67

Apple: 67

iPad: 81

 

Windows: 63

Samsung: 63

Android: 75

 

Objective reality aside, iOS7 is taking a beating in the twittersphere.  

post #142 of 270

Here's a tip for those who don't like iOS 7 and/or are waiting to upgrade. Suck it up. Deal with it. You're gonna upgrade. You're not going to have a choice.

 

The rest is just noise.

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The problem with Apple is what I call the peacock syndrome: healthy, shiny feathers signify a healthy male with good genes, and as a result evolutionary pressure was on for such features; with peacocks they spiraled out of control: the feathers are so long and so pretty and shiny that they attract predators and turn the male into a clumsy, "useless" bird.

When it comes to Apple, the keyword isn't "shiny & pretty" but "simple": reducing complexity is a good thing *IF AND ONLY IF* functionality and the data model don't suffer.

Occam's razor stipulates to simplify things, but not beyond the point where the stop describing reality.

I'm all for simplification, but I'm absolutely against oversimplification. I rather deal with a certain amount of needless complexity than dealing with a system that can't handle reality because it's designed to demo well and only is able to handle the reality of 90% of the people 90% of the time.

Apple's problem is that they don't realize that their problem isn't anymore being too complicated but that it is being oversimplified.

Mail.app and iTunes.app are good examples; just getting rid of cover flow view for visually oriented people like me is a disaster; exploring my music library has become a total chore compared to what it used to be.
Nobody was forced to use cover flow; so why take it away from the people who love it?

Plenty of other examples, but Apple refuses to listen, (over)simplification has turned into a corporate religion at Apple.

 

They got rid of coverflow?  I hadn't noticed because I never used it.  I thought it was generally considered unnecessary eye candy that demoed well was wasn't very user-friendly.  So I find it interesting that you suggest they got rid of it to demo better.  I am also surprised they got rid of it; it was a signature look across Apple devices.  Perhaps that one on of those "now that Steve's gone we can get rid of THAT" things.  Interesting.

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No it isn't. And my opinion is worth more than yours anyway so shut up.

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Great thing about this report is we will know the true Tuesday, when the announce the iOS 7 uptake. Having a feeling this report will be bull
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Objective reality aside, iOS7 is taking a beating in the twittersphere.

What doesn't take a beating on Twiter? From what I've seen the comments about iOS 7 were considerably nicer than I expected for such a dramatic YoY change to iOS. Frankly, it was one that was long overdue and anyone that thinks iOS 6 looks, feels and performs better than iOS 7 is a Luddite and afraid of their own shadow.
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post
 

 

It was adopted much faster. This "report" is from a single ad tracking firm. Apple itself has mentioned that over 200 million iOS devices were updated to iOS 7 in the first three days. Which is far, far more than iOS 6 saw.

 

iOS 7 reached 60% adoption rate after a week.

iOS 6 took a month to hit that percentage.

 

Furthermore, there are approximately 200 million more iOS devices in the wild than there were a year ago, which makes iOS 7 adoption rate even faster. 

 

200 million activations? What kind of crack are you smoking?

 

For there to be 200 million iOS 7 activations, every single iPhone sold in the last year and a half would have to be updated. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If you include iPads, you would still have to go back to every single device sold in the last year.

 

Hate to break it to you, but that ain't happening.

post #148 of 270
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200 million activations? What kind of crack are you smoking?

For there to be 200 million iOS 7 activations, every single iPhone sold in the last year and a half would have to be updated. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If you include iPads, you would still have to go back to every single device sold in the last year.

Hate to break it to you, but that ain't happening.

You think Apple only sold 200MM iPads, iPhones, and iPod Touches in the last 18 months? What data do you have to back up that claim?
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Originally Posted by jakekub View Post

I have switched to IOS7 and I, along with many of my clients, do not like the look and feel. It is a step backward, looks like a candy store and it took away the polish of the previous IOS. Perhaps they will step back to an interface that looks better than IOS7. I would have to guess Mr. Jobs would be displeased with IOS7. It looks like something M$ or Droid would produce.

Another "Jobs would never" post. Jobs release OS X 10.0, remember that backlash?
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Originally Posted by harharhar View Post

200 million activations? What kind of crack are you smoking?

For there to be 200 million iOS 7 activations, every single iPhone sold in the last year and a half would have to be updated. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If you include iPads, you would still have to go back to every single device sold in the last year.

Hate to break it to you, but that ain't happening.
iOS can be installed in an iPhone 4. That phone is 3 years old, so yeah half the idevices sold in the last three years were upgraded to iOS 7.
post #150 of 270
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Originally Posted by Noicc1138 View Post

The problem with iOS 7 is some people are highly resistant to change and others are not. Flat icons. Different color menus. Whoopty doo. It's still the same OS. It's just has better features.

And it's adjustable. People complaining about what comes default can often just change things in settings. I, for instance, went for a very different set of display images to tone down the "colorful" home screen. Now it doesn't look all that different to my iPhone 5 under iOS 6 and with a darker background the app displays are easily seen.

 

The performance increase with iOS 7 I immediately noticed on my 5 in email and SAFARI were impressive as well and with those automatic app updates in background the developers seem to have caught whatever early conflicts there may have been and I've not experienced anything since Washington Post updated (the one bad actor I did notice).

post #151 of 270
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....Mail.app and iTunes.app are good examples; just getting rid of cover flow view for visually oriented people like me is a disaster; exploring my music library has become a total chore compared to what it used to be.
Nobody was forced to use cover flow; so why take it away from the people who love it?

Plenty of other examples, but Apple refuses to listen, (over)simplification has turned into a corporate religion at Apple.

The tile views on both iTunes and the iPhone in landscape orientation are somewhat analogous to coverflow. Not as large an image but that has the advantage, it seems to me, of showing more of the album covers at a time which is easier for me anyway, to scan visually. The sorting options are also nice.

post #152 of 270
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post
 

I've noticed the majority of people who complain about iOS 7 are those that haven't USED it or can't use it because their devices are too old. Everyone I've talked to who has upgraded, loves iOS 7. Yes, the colors are a bit garish, but a lot of the new features that make it easier to use far out weigh the color scheme.

 

Control Center, the new notifications, swiping from left to right to go back a screen, the new Safari, the app switcher (multi-tasker), etc.

 

I would NEVER go back to iOS 6 and using iOS 5 on my iPad is awful now. :(  Well not awful, but makes it feel so dated.

Im with you, I love iOS 7 and would not go back to 6.  I ran every beta right up to golden master on 2 iPhone 5's, an iPad 3, an iPhone 4s, and an iPhone 4.  Appart from the iPhone 4 being a little bit slow (3year old iPhone) They all ran well.  I like the interface, and the icons.  Once put my own background in it, it looks totally different.  iOS7 was designed to take on the colors of whatever wallpaper you install.  Also I love the new features as well that you mentioned above.

On my new 5s it screams too!

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Originally Posted by TheCajun View Post

The other question to ask is how many people downgraded back to IOS6 after seeing IOS7 and how many people tried to download IOS6 and could not?

You can.

post #154 of 270
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Originally Posted by Mechanic View Post
 

Im with you,.....

iOS7 was designed to take on the colors of whatever wallpaper you install.  Also I love the new features as well that you mentioned above.

On my new 5s it screams too!

That's thing then! I went with a darker wallpaper and couldn't guess why people were doing this "it's too white" thing. I've swapped some but at the moment it's the space star image with a bit of nebula at the bottom. Pretty much the first thing I changed was that wallpaper so I never really saw whatever the default was.

 

Oh and yeah, my 5 got fast but the 5s really moves right along. Email deleting was never this fast!

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....Mail.app and iTunes.app are good examples; just getting rid of cover flow view for visually oriented people like me is a disaster; exploring my music library has become a total chore compared to what it used to be.
Nobody was forced to use cover flow; so why take it away from the people who love it?

Plenty of other examples, but Apple refuses to listen, (over)simplification has turned into a corporate religion at Apple.

The tile views on both iTunes and the iPhone in landscape orientation are somewhat analogous to coverflow. Not as large an image but that has the advantage, it seems to me, of showing more of the album covers at a time which is easier for me anyway, to scan visually. The sorting options are also nice.

 

So, if I understand you correctly, if you own a magazine, instead of thumbing through it, you cut it at the spine and lay out all the pages on a big floor and walk around to see what page you want to read?

 

It's MUCH faster to keep your eyes pinned to a spot, and move a scroller to have the various images fly by, than having to scan rows and columns of pictures, and then scroll when you reached the end of what can be shown on one screen, and then try to reorient your vision and then rinse, repeat...

 

With cover flow in one swift move I can scroll through hundreds if not thousands of CDs; cover flow works for individual play lists, etc. It's quick, easy, consistent.

 

The tile view is a stupid thing borrowed from a resource constrained iOS, in a vain effort to make OS X look like iOS regardless of the fact that they have different operating modes and hardware constraints.

 

If you actually want to enjoy or enlarge cover art, because that's how you navigate your music, then that has no effect on the efficiency of your search in cover flow, but the more you enlarge the album art, the less efficient the tile layout gets, because you may end up fitting 6 or 8 tiles on a screen, and you have to do scrolling that is very hard to follow and adjust for the eyes.

 

Apple was sued about CoverFlow, and they won, but the whole thing looks like corporate told them to do away with CoverFlow in case they lose that law suit, and once they won, nobody told the developers to ditch the alternative view project.

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So, if I understand you correctly, if you own a magazine, instead of thumbing through it, you cut it at the spine and lay out all the pages on a big floor and walk around to see what page you want to read?

 

.....

What's a magazine?

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The automatic updates is causing many to hit their data limits. Hope Apple will fix to add an option to only update when connected to wi-fi.

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Originally Posted by Phil Sukalewski View Post
 

The automatic updates is causing many to hit their data limits. Hope Apple will fix to add an option to only update when connected to wi-fi.

Can autoupdate be turned off altogether?* Were I data limited that's what I'd do.

 

I do know background app refresh can be turned off: that stops apps from updating their information in the background, which eats data otherwise. I noticed the increase on mine early on.

 

 

* ETA: Yes, it can: Settings... iTunes and App Store...Automatic downloads..

that's also where you can turn OFF the use of cellular data for the downloads. (scroll to the bottom of the page).


Edited by jfc1138 - 10/18/13 at 6:29pm
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So, if I understand you correctly, if you own a magazine, instead of thumbing through it, you cut it at the spine and lay out all the pages on a big floor and walk around to see what page you want to read?

 

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What's a magazine?

 

Straight from Apple's Dictionary app:

 

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"magazine |ˌmagəˈzēn, ˈmagəˌzēn|nouna periodical publication containing articles and illustrations, typically covering a particular subject or area of interest: a car magazine | a women's magazine.• a regular television or radio program comprising a variety of topical news or entertainment items.

[...]
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Give it a few more years, and people will ask "What's a book?" :wow:

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"Heroin" (diamorphine) is an excellent pain killer often used by physicians (in some countries) for rapidly easing some kinds of acute pain.

none the less, the original poster comparing iOS 7 to Heroin is ridiculous.

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HEROIN has quantifiable negative physiological and psychological effects and no positive ones. It is also illegal.

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Not to be all nitpicky or anything, but heroin DEFINITELY has some positive effects. Just... they're rather short-term.

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