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I am listening to an album I bought back in the 70's on vinyl and have heard this album literally a few thousand times and know just about ever note by heart.

 

So does it still have the annoying hiss from the original master tapes used in the seventies and the crackle and pops that come from wear when vinyl is played "thousands of times"?

 

The difference between a 30MB file and a 6MB file is not worth wasting 24MB of space on for 99.9% of people, the whole lossless argument seems to be a load of pretentious, snobbish crap.

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post #242 of 270
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So does it still have the annoying hiss from the original master tapes used in the seventies and the crackle and pops that come from wear when vinyl is played "thousands of times"?

 

The difference between a 30MB file and a 6MB file is not worth wasting 24MB of space on for 99.9% of people, the whole lossless argument seems to be a load of pretentious, snobbish crap.

I haven't pulled out my vinyl in years since CDs came out.

 

It's not pretentious and snobbish crap, it's just a matter of what one's interest is and if they've spent the time, energy, money, etc. on being in the environments where they can hear these differences.  For some, it's their job.  It's what they do for a living.  Without these pretentious, snobbish people spending money, time, energy doing the research on THEIR end, we wouldn't have better audio, we'd be stuck listening to crap.  But I guess you're OK with listening to crap and in the process you are becoming a BIGGER, pretentious, snobbish, and IGNORANT individual.

 

I can't listen to 24/96 on my iPad or iPhone, nor would I.  but I will do that on my computer based stereo system for my home.  It sounds better. PERIOD.

 

I have a music background and have played professionally as a musician while going to college and even afterwards while I worked in the computer industry during the day. Music and the quality of what I'm listening to is important to me.  I will spend what I feel I can afford to get better quality music.  PERIOD.  But so far, I haven't spent $100's dollars on a system, but I would LOVE to be in that position of being able to because I've heard top end megabuck systems that sounded unbelievable.  So for now, I can attend audio shows to listen to for a few hours every once in a while and dream about it, and it helps me decide what to buy to get as good of a sound quality for much less budget.  Remember, my bedroom set up is under $2000 for a decent quality DAC, cables, and Powered speakers and it sounds great.

 

Vinyl?  I only have a maybe 100+ albums and most are worn out pretty well from listening to them for years from back in the 70's, but since they are getting digital to sound darn close to vinyl but with lower noise level, digital is where I'm at. I have over 800 16 bit Redbook CDs with a smaller, but growing number of MP3, ACC, etc., but I just started listening to 24/96, 24/192, etc. and I'm in the process of comparing newly mastered higher res files and I like what I hear and I'm leaning in that direction.

 

If it's not your interest, then don't pissy to those where it is an interest. Seriously, you need to grow up.  I'm not saying you have to run out and buy a better system, etc. but I'm just letting people know that there is a noticeable difference in higher res files, it doesn't take a ton of money in equipment to hear these differences to those that want to spend time in listening and enjoying.  So why are you being such a Dick about it?  Did I hit a sore spot because of your lack of money, interest, background and ignorance in audio?  Don't feel bad, you are in the majority, but there is a growing number of people that are getting more interested in better audio.  There are probably over 100 USB DACs on the market ranging from $99 to $28K.   Every time I turn around, there's more models emerging, so there must be a reason why there are more products coming out.  it's called a GROWING market.

 

You can choose to be involved with that or not.

 

I just think Apple should improve iTunes so people can add additional file formats that the user has to the library and be able to play it as well as it can, which is  IMPROVING the product. What's wrong with that?  Times change, new things come out and apps have to keep up.

post #243 of 270
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post
 

 

So does it still have the annoying hiss from the original master tapes used in the seventies and the crackle and pops that come from wear when vinyl is played "thousands of times"?

 

The difference between a 30MB file and a 6MB file is not worth wasting 24MB of space on for 99.9% of people, the whole lossless argument seems to be a load of pretentious, snobbish crap.

99.9% of the people?  Well, in terms of the population of people with computers? NO, it's a bigger market than that and it's growing.

 

Well, in case you haven't noticed, vinyl is coming back for some people.  there are more mfg of turntables, cartridges than ever before.  they are pressing higher quality pressings than they used to and these new pressings (properly take care of) on a nice turntable sound great.  I'm not amongst the crowd that's buying those, but that market has been resurgent for the past 10 years or so.  It's all what floats one's boat.


Well, in case you haven't noticed, storage on a computer is cheap if it's HDD based and SSD is getting cheaper so having larger lossless files is not an issue.   I haven't transferred my entire CD collection over to lossless, but I'm in the process, but I do transfer everything in lossless at this point and I'm not running out of storage on my desktop. That's what this stuff is meant for.

 

MacMinis are becoming one of the most popular media server and stuffing 1000 CDs in lossless doesn't take up the entire drive if it's a decent size.  Many people buy them and dedicate them specifically for a audio media server and they use lossless.  Traditional media servers can cost well into the thousands of dollars, but since there is 3rd party player software that's added to iTunes, it sounds better and that's what people are using.  3rd party software ranges between $30 and a couple of hundred and it does make the audio better sounding, especially with a nice DAC and lossless files and even better with higher resolution. It's just the way it is.

post #244 of 270
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I haven't pulled out my vinyl in years since CDs came out.

 

It's not pretentious and snobbish crap, it's just a matter of what one's interest is and if they've spent the time, energy, money, etc. on being in the environments where they can hear these differences.  For some, it's their job.  It's what they do for a living.  Without these pretentious, snobbish people spending money, time, energy doing the research on THEIR end, we wouldn't have better audio, we'd be stuck listening to crap.  But I guess you're OK with listening to crap and in the process you are becoming a BIGGER, pretentious, snobbish, and IGNORANT individual.

 

I can't listen to 24/96 on my iPad or iPhone, nor would I.  but I will do that on my computer based stereo system for my home.  It sounds better. PERIOD.

 

I have a music background and have played professionally as a musician while going to college and even afterwards while I worked in the computer industry during the day. Music and the quality of what I'm listening to is important to me.  I will spend what I feel I can afford to get better quality music.  PERIOD.  But so far, I haven't spent $100's dollars on a system, but I would LOVE to be in that position of being able to because I've heard top end megabuck systems that sounded unbelievable.  So for now, I can attend audio shows to listen to for a few hours every once in a while and dream about it, and it helps me decide what to buy to get as good of a sound quality for much less budget.  Remember, my bedroom set up is under $2000 for a decent quality DAC, cables, and Powered speakers and it sounds great.

 

Vinyl?  I only have a maybe 100+ albums and most are worn out pretty well from listening to them for years from back in the 70's, but since they are getting digital to sound darn close to vinyl but with lower noise level, digital is where I'm at. I have over 800 16 bit Redbook CDs with a smaller, but growing number of MP3, ACC, etc., but I just started listening to 24/96, 24/192, etc. and I'm in the process of comparing newly mastered higher res files and I like what I hear and I'm leaning in that direction.

 

If it's not your interest, then don't pissy to those where it is an interest. Seriously, you need to grow up.  I'm not saying you have to run out and buy a better system, etc. but I'm just letting people know that there is a noticeable difference in higher res files, it doesn't take a ton of money in equipment to hear these differences to those that want to spend time in listening and enjoying.  So why are you being such a Dick about it?  Did I hit a sore spot because of your lack of money, interest, background and ignorance in audio?  Don't feel bad, you are in the majority, but there is a growing number of people that are getting more interested in better audio.  There are probably over 100 USB DACs on the market ranging from $99 to $28K.   Every time I turn around, there's more models emerging, so there must be a reason why there are more products coming out.  it's called a GROWING market.

 

You can choose to be involved with that or not.

 

I just think Apple should improve iTunes so people can add additional file formats that the user has to the library and be able to play it as well as it can, which is  IMPROVING the product. What's wrong with that?  Times change, new things come out and apps have to keep up.

 

It surely is, mainly perpetrated by people who want to sell stuff such as cables that cost more than my entire system to fools who are easily parted from their money.

 

Whatever, all I know is when I go into my home theatre room and hit airplay on my iPhone and the 256 aac kicks in from Match via optical from my Apple TV, that it's a pretty sweet sound and I am transported, even Neil Young, (one of the most pretentious sound snobs of all time), complete with hiss sounds ok.

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post #245 of 270
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post
 

 

It surely is, mainly perpetrated by people who want to sell stuff such as cables that cost more than my entire system to fools who are easily parted from their money.

 

Whatever, all I know is when I go into my home theatre room and hit airplay on my iPhone and the 256 aac kicks in from Match via optical from my Apple TV, that it's a pretty sweet sound and I am transported, even Neil Young, (one of the most pretentious sound snobs of all time), complete with hiss sounds ok.

So, you are calling some of the most respected recording engineers in the world that most other recording engineers look up to as fools?

Sounds like you are just jealous that A, You can't afford better cables.  B.  Your ears aren't trained to HEAR what better cables sound like.  and C.  Don't comprehend the engineering involved to actually being able to measure in a objective manner how cables do alter analog signals. 

 

That's your problem.  Neil Young a pretentious sound snob?  No, I've been around far more anal retentive about audio than Neil Young, he's just like old analog recording rather than digital because he's used to it.  Actually, those that grew up long before ProTools and all of these heavily processed audio tracks have ears that are used to listening to a recording on a system that they know what an acoustic instrument sounds like.  Most pop music rarely uses real instruments, they are either reusing samples of real instruments, which is basically using second generation, or modeled, which sound like crap.  People like Neil and many other musicians that grew up before compressed files have trained ears.   That's what the problem is.  

 

Congratulations, you're part of the masses of  people that haven't a clue as to what real instruments are supposed to sound like.   Who's the sucker?  

 

If you like what you have and you went to an audio show and brought the lossless files of the same album to the MBL, Wilson Audio, etc.  rooms, you would probably piss in your pants. It's that much better.   You are just used to what is called "LOW FI".

post #246 of 270
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It surely is, mainly perpetrated by people who want to sell stuff such as cables that cost more than my entire system to fools who are easily parted from their money.

 

Whatever, all I know is when I go into my home theatre room and hit airplay on my iPhone and the 256 aac kicks in from Match via optical from my Apple TV, that it's a pretty sweet sound and I am transported, even Neil Young, (one of the most pretentious sound snobs of all time), complete with hiss sounds ok.

And you know what the people that spend more money on cables than you did on your car, house and all of your belongings?    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I've got tons of money, you don't. I have a unbelievable sounding stereo system, you don't, you pathetic whining little piece of NOTHING.  as they laugh all the way to the bank with BUCKETS OF CASH.  Laughing that you are the REAL fool.   

 

 

How much did you spend on your entire system?  $200? $99 for AppleTV and $99 for a tiny little powered speaker?  Boo hoo.

post #247 of 270
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And you know what the people that spend more money on cables than you did on your car, house and all of your belongings?    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I've got tons of money, you don't. I have a unbelievable sounding stereo system, you don't, you pathetic whining little piece of NOTHING.  as they laugh all the way to the bank with BUCKETS OF CASH.  Laughing that you are the REAL fool.   


How much did you spend on your entire system?  $200? $99 for AppleTV and $99 for a tiny little powered speaker?  Boo hoo.

More than enough to annoy the neighbours when I crank it up and clear enough to hear every distorted note of Neil Young's Cinnamon Girl.

I appreciate the work audio engineers do, which is why I have appreciated what Apple has done with iPods and iPhones over the years, a virtually flat line of what goes in is what comes out, with no need to screw things up by messing around with equalisers.

btw it's cars, houses, iPhones, iPads, MacBooks, Pioneer Amps, rooms built around speakers in ceilings, Klipisch on my deck (which came with little white gloves to stop finger marks on the lacquer) and a nice collection of Swiss watches.
Edited by hill60 - 10/26/13 at 8:08pm
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post #248 of 270
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More than enough to annoy the neighbours when I crank it up and clear enough to hear every distorted note of Neil Young's Cinnamon Girl.

I appreciate the work audio engineers do, which is why I have appreciated what Apple has done with iPods and iPhones over the years, a virtually flat line of what goes in is what comes out, with no need to screw things up by messing around with equalisers.

btw it's cars, houses, iPhones, iPads, MacBooks, Pioneer Amps, rooms built around speakers in ceilings, Klipisch on my deck (which came with little white gloves to stop finger marks on the lacquer) and a nice collection of Swiss watches.

 

sorry, but until Apple did the "Mastered for iTunes", AAC isn't as good as Redbook but hardly anyone is using the software to Master for iTunes.   That software does a decent job, but i'm into collecting 24/96, 24/192 files when I can, otherwise, I get the CD version and rip it into iTunes using AIFF.   I like getting the liner notes if possible and I bought a couple of 24/96 CDs from HD Tracks and they are by far better mastering job than anything else. Sorry, but the s/n is so much better, the level of detail and clarity is much better and I can hear subtle passages FAR better.  At least with what I've bought so far.  I am a convert right now.  I know Apple is allowing or going to allow 24/96 files, but no one is doing it on iTunes that I'm aware of. 

 

I don't listen to music much on iDevices much.  Too muddy for my tastes and I have a really good set of ear buds.  I just hate wearing earbuds in general and I spend most of my time in from of my desktop.

 

I don't listen to Neil Young since his voice rubs me the wrong way.  I liked CSN, but not Young.   Oh well.  Most of what I listen to is mostly jazz, world, classical, rock, OLD school funk, OLD school R&B, blues, some synth pop ( I guess is what you might call it), and adult contemporary (for lack of a better word).  I stay away from the heavily processed/autotune crap that's been surfacing.

 

Seriously, regardless of what you think of the "audiophile crowd", you should experience what these systems sound like.   I personally like MBL as that's my current favorite and when I first heard their products, it was just another experience that is hard to put into words.  just so 3 dimensional it was just almost feeling like you could touch each musician it was that involving.  It's too bad they can't make their systems more affordable for most people so the only thing I can do is dream about owning one of their systems, but it was truly one of most unbelievable experiences to date with regards to listening to music.   Too bad people callously dismiss what they don't know about.  It's kind of like telling someone about going to an iMax theater that thinks that watching movies on a TV set is good enough.

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Go talk to converter companies that make the high end stuff and then maybe you'll get an education.

 

Buddy, it's obvious I've forgotten more about audio than you'll ever know. You blatantly refuse to understand the fundamentals of the technology, but you're talking to ME about getting an education?

 

If you wanna stay deliberately ignorant, who am I to argue? If you ever decide to get a clue though, start with the definition of theorem, what a transformer does, and how digital sampling works. Until then there's just nothing for us to discuss.

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I would rather talk to engineers that specialize in designing power conditioning/filtration systems than some IDIOT on AI.

 

LOL! Oh there's an idiot here all right!

 

Power conditioning is installed in high-end facilities to protect equipment from brownouts and spikes, not to keep line noise out of the signal path. Of course, because there are no mandated professional standards, many studios are owned and operated by people who believe the same ridiculous religious bullshit you do, and are thus just as susceptible to being suckered by snake-oil salesmen.

 

Yes, even the lowly TV repairman with his basic tools can explain why your conclusions are nonsense. Shouldn't that tell you something?

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Buddy, it's obvious I've forgotten more about audio than you'll ever know. You blatantly refuse to understand the fundamentals of the technology, but you're talking to ME about getting an education?

 

If you wanna stay deliberately ignorant, who am I to argue? If you ever decide to get a clue though, start with the definition of theorem, what a transformer does, and how digital sampling works. Until then there's just nothing for us to discuss.

I know planty about the technology.  Then how can you explain the fact that people are moving towards higher resolution recordings and playback systems?  Because there are those that can hear the differences.


There was a leading "expert" in the audio industry that was amongst the first to make digital converters for the mastering community.   He made a public statement YEARS go supporting the argument that 16/44 was good enough and that anything more than that wasn't necessary.  He later came out publicly and stated that he was wrong.  And the company he works for and designs DAC is now supporting 24/96 and is starting to use 24/192.  Now, he believes that DSD is not necessary.  However, there are those that have been involved with PCM based recordings for many years that are moving towards DSD as DSD is improving.   Seriously, grow up and get off your high horse about it.

 

If a company can convert analog tapes to 24/96 or 24/192 and the user can hear a significant improvement in the sound quality, then there are those that will buy it. On an iPad device? The converters used are amongst the cheapest obtainable as are the surrounding output stages and it's the same with Android devices and Windows devices since they aren't using top end converters and output stages.

 

I don't even know why I'm bothering discussing this with you.   You are stuck in this idea that there is no difference.  Sorry, there is and it's all dependent on a partular product design.  Some 16/44 are being designed where they can rival analog, but they are also getting 24/192 even better.  I had a discussion with someone that works over at Dolby labs regarding their True HD product and they told me that there is an audible difference in 24/96 to 24/192 in their labs which is why True HD supports 24/192 whereas DTS HD Master doesn't, it only does 24/96.

 

Converter chips are also getting better, but output and input stages are also getting better as are clocking.  Clocking has a tremendous affect on whether a converter will work well or not.  

 

All I can say is, the audio community and the recording community and the folks that design and build these converters are pushing the envelope and the speaker/amp/preamp/cable mfg are further testing and designing products to improve sound quality so we can hear these subtle differences in a high res recording.  It's just the way it is.

 

Some people 16/44 on a cheap stereo using cheap speakers and a cheap DAC is "Good enough", but for others that are in the recording industry doing live reference quality recordings say it isn't.

 

If I can hear a difference between two recordings at two different resolutions and the higher resolution is better, then I will be so inclined to buy it.  It all depends on the equipment used and how well they set the equipment being used.  NOT all converters sound the same.


Go talk to these studios that are now using converters in their recording studios that handle up to 24/384 and DSD 128.  They aren't switching to higher res converters because of marketing.

 

Abbey Road Studios, Bauer Studios, Benny Andersson's RMV Studio, Classic Sound, CMC Studios, Collegium Records, Danish Radio, DEX Mastering, DPA Microphones, Echopark Studios, Galaxy Studios, Hana Music Montreux, Helsinki Music Centre, Lindberg lyd, Magne Furuholmen, Master Touch, McGill University, Moscow Music Conservatory, NDR Hamburg, NHK, NRK, QVC shopping channel, Real Sound, Royal Danish Opera House, Royal Opera House London, Sidney Opera House, SK Works, Slovak Philharmonic Orchestra, SoundWorks/Jeff Sheridan, Spanish Radio, St Petersburg Philharmonic Orchestra, Stock Fish Records, Swedish Radio, Telarc International, Timbre Music, Ultimo Productions and the Warsaw National Philharmonic Orchestra.

post #252 of 270
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LOL! Oh there's an idiot here all right!

 

Power conditioning is installed in high-end facilities to protect equipment from brownouts and spikes, not to keep line noise out of the signal path. Of course, because there are no mandated professional standards, many studios are owned and operated by people who believe the same ridiculous religious bullshit you do, and are thus just as susceptible to being suckered by snake-oil salesmen.

 

Yes, even the lowly TV repairman with his basic tools can explain why your conclusions are nonsense. Shouldn't that tell you something?

BULLSHIT.  You are out of your mind. 

 

Do you know what a cable does?  Aside from being able to transmit a signal from one end to another, they also act like antennas picking up noise and hum that gets inside the audio and video path.

 

Go talk to a recording studio engineer.  Seriously.  Any decent studio is going to do whatever they can to eliminate hum and noise in their systems because they in an environment where they will hear it, they want to lower the noise floor and getting equipment to filter out noise on the AC is one thing they will do.

 

TV repairmen using BASIC tools?   You are categorically an idiot for thinking that all one needs are basic tools.  If the engineering community relied on basic measurements and tools, we wouldn't have advanced very fast in technology.

 

They have much more precise measurement equipment now than ever, they are more measurement tools to use to analyze more aspects of digital, analog and power signals than they've ever had.  

 

You are stuck in simpleton mentality.  I'm not going to rely on a TV repairman using simple tools to explain things to me, because he can only give me knowledge based on basic measurements.  Sorry, basic isn't good enough.  that's probably why you have a basic stereo system. Basic measurements are meant for beginners.  I don't talk to beginners when I want to learn about a subject, I want to talk to leading experts.  They use far more advanced tools and measurement techniques because they are FAR beyond basic knowledge and understanding.

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Buddy, it's obvious I've forgotten more about audio than you'll ever know. You blatantly refuse to understand the fundamentals of the technology, but you're talking to ME about getting an education?

 

If you wanna stay deliberately ignorant, who am I to argue? If you ever decide to get a clue though, start with the definition of theorem, what a transformer does, and how digital sampling works. Until then there's just nothing for us to discuss.

What audio products have you designed?  What's your education level for audio technology?  I want to be able to determine if you are an expert or not, because clearly if you are stuck on theory and you don't have the background that leading expert do, then you aren't an expert.  I will talk and listen to experts than I will someone that isn't. I get my information from people that are considered experts in these fields rather than having discussions with a TV repairman or some cable installer that has just basic tools to see if their is a connection or not.  Continuity checkers only tell if it connected or not.

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LOL! Oh there's an idiot here all right!

 

Power conditioning is installed in high-end facilities to protect equipment from brownouts and spikes, not to keep line noise out of the signal path. Of course, because there are no mandated professional standards, many studios are owned and operated by people who believe the same ridiculous religious bullshit you do, and are thus just as susceptible to being suckered by snake-oil salesmen.

 

Yes, even the lowly TV repairman with his basic tools can explain why your conclusions are nonsense. Shouldn't that tell you something?

What happens to a digital signal if there is a lot more noise?  Do you even know?  Would you like to know?   Let's see, it slows down the signal and can produce more errors.   That's what the engineers are measuring that design noise filtration devices for AC power.  It also effects analog as well.  Sometimes, they have different circuitry specifically designed for digital devices vs analog because they have a difference set of things that affect each type of devices that they have to filter out.  Go talk to an engineer that designs AC line filtration systems for the audio and video industry instead of your TV repairman.

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And you know what the people that spend more money on cables than you did on your car, house and all of your belongings?    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I've got tons of money, you don't. I have a unbelievable sounding stereo system, you don't, you pathetic whining little piece of NOTHING.  as they laugh all the way to the bank with BUCKETS OF CASH.  Laughing that you are the REAL fool.   

 

 

How much did you spend on your entire system?  $200? $99 for AppleTV and $99 for a tiny little powered speaker?  Boo hoo.

 

With all due respect, you sound like a very despicable, mean-spirited, hateful, and vain individual. Your opinions may be shitty and uninformed, but your personality is much, much worse. You should be banned for that vitriolic post. 

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With all due respect, you sound like a very despicable, mean-spirited, hateful, and vain individual. Your opinions may be shitty and uninformed, but your personality is much, much worse. You should be banned for that vitriolic post. 

 

Really? At least I talk to and read information that's written by leading experts on the subject matter rather than spouting COMPLETE nonsense about a subject matter you know NOTHING about.

 

Go to converter companies and look at the dymanic range between 16 bit and 24 bit.


Here's some specs from a well respected AD/DA converter mfg in the recording industry.

 

The first numbers are from their OLDER product and the second numbers are from their latest product.  Hopefully you understand what this means. 

 

 

  • Dynamic Range: 24 bit mode 100.5 dB A-weighted, 16 bit mode, 96 dB A-weighted

 

  • Dynamic Range: 24 bit mode 108 dB A-weighted, 16 bit mode 96 dB A-weighted
post #257 of 270
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With all due respect, you sound like a very despicable, mean-spirited, hateful, and vain individual. Your opinions may be shitty and uninformed, but your personality is much, much worse. You should be banned for that vitriolic post. 

I was just teasing you.

 

Here's a link to another ad/da converter mfg that is used by TOP recording studios.  They have graphs on various levels of recording that show noise levels, frequency response and pule response.  It's considered by some of the top people in the industry as one of the best products on the market for the recording industry.  So, if you listen to anything that comes out of their studios after they bought and installed these converters, this is partly why their recordings sound as good as they do.  And they are recording in at least 24/96 these days and some even higher, and if they spit out something for a MP3 site or Redbook CD, they down sample it and then they lose sound quality from the original masters.

 

http://www.digitalaudio.dk/AX24-ADDA-Converter.1492.aspx

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post
 

 

With all due respect, you sound like a very despicable, mean-spirited, hateful, and vain individual. Your opinions may be shitty and uninformed, but your personality is much, much worse. You should be banned for that vitriolic post. 

 

It didn't bother me at all.

 

 

I'm just listening to some music on my 64GB iPad retina with Sennheiser Momentum headphones, that's a $5000 Breitling watch as I post this on my 15" retina MacBook Pro with the CPU and SSD upgraded to the max, I took this rather poor quick snap with my 64GB iPhone 5s.

 

I don't know how I can live with such poor quality, I guess I'll just have to make do.

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It didn't bother me at all.

 

 

I'm just listening to some music on my 64GB iPad retina with Sennheiser Momentum headphones, that's a $5000 Breitling watch as I post this on my 15" retina MacBook Pro with the CPU and SSD upgraded to the max, I took this rather poor quick snap with my 64GB iPhone 5s.

 

I don't know how I can live with such poor quality, I guess I'll just have to make do.

Well, Instead of paying $5000 for a watch, I paid $500 for a Movado that tells time just as well, and I listen to music on a Late 2012 iMac with a 1TB Fusion drive running through a Meridian Director USB DAC, through some entry level Transparent The Link interconnects, to a pair of Paradigm Shift A2s with now some high resolution files from HD Tracks that sound much better than the uncompressed 16bit files I had and i can crank it up to various levels, so actually, all told, I probably spend less money overall.  Hmmmmm.  You have some advantage in some areas than I, but in other areas I have an advantage.  It's all what we want, need and are happy with.  I only got the iPad 4 with 16GB since I hardly use it as much as I do my desktop and my aging iPhone 4 8G does just fine for my needs currently, but I'm waiting for the larger screen iPhone so I can snub my nose (just joking)......  It's all what floats one boat.

 

 

FYI, I haven't heard the Momentum headphones.  Have you tried the Sennheiser HD800's?  You should check out the Light Harmonic USB headphone DAC, it's only $300, so you can enjoy high res downloads. 

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It didn't bother me at all.

 

 

I'm just listening to some music on my 64GB iPad retina with Sennheiser Momentum headphones, that's a $5000 Breitling watch as I post this on my 15" retina MacBook Pro with the CPU and SSD upgraded to the max, I took this rather poor quick snap with my 64GB iPhone 5s.

 

I don't know how I can live with such poor quality, I guess I'll just have to make do.

Well, Instead of paying $5000 for a watch, I paid $500 for a Movado that tells time just as well, and I listen to music on a Late 2012 iMac with a 1TB Fusion drive running through a Meridian Director USB DAC, through some entry level Transparent The Link interconnects, to a pair of Paradigm Shift A2s with now some high resolution files from HD Tracks that sound much better than the uncompressed 16bit files I had and i can crank it up to various levels, so actually, all told, I probably spend less money overall.  Hmmmmm.  You have some advantage in some areas than I, but in other areas I have an advantage.  It's all what we want, need and are happy with.  I only got the iPad 4 with 16GB since I hardly use it as much as I do my desktop and my aging iPhone 4 8G does just fine for my needs currently, but I'm waiting for the larger screen iPhone so I can snub my nose (just joking)......  It's all what floats one boat.

 

 

FYI, I haven't heard the Momentum headphones.  Have you tried the Sennheiser HD800's?  You should check out the Light Harmonic USB headphone DAC, it's only $300, so you can enjoy high res downloads. 

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It didn't bother me at all.

 

 

I'm just listening to some music on my 64GB iPad retina with Sennheiser Momentum headphones, that's a $5000 Breitling watch as I post this on my 15" retina MacBook Pro with the CPU and SSD upgraded to the max, I took this rather poor quick snap with my 64GB iPhone 5s.

 

I don't know how I can live with such poor quality, I guess I'll just have to make do.

 

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 If they pay a penie or two pence more for the reddinesse of them..let them looke to that, a foole and his money is soone parted.
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 If they pay a penie or two pence more for the reddinesse of them..let them looke to that, a foole and his money is soone parted

 

Hey dude, this one's worth $6000

 

 

With a bit of care and an occasional service it should last over a hundred years and I or my heirs can always sell it.

 

I like fine Swiss craftsmanship, I enjoy having these things, Apple gives me the same sense of pleasure.

 

It is worth paying for.

Better than my Bose, better than my Skullcandy's, listening to Mozart through my LeBron James limited edition PowerBeats by Dre is almost as good as my Sennheisers.
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Hey dude, this one's worth $6000

 

 

With a bit of care and an occasional service it should last over a hundred years and I or my heirs can always sell it.

 

I like fine Swiss craftsmanship, I enjoy having these things, Apple gives me the same sense of pleasure.

 

It is worth paying for.

 



To who? I wouldn't pay $6,000 for that one. If I'm going to pay $6,000 for a watch, it's had better be like GOLD or PLATINUM, or something else. Heck, my Movado is even Gold plated and I didn't even pay $1,000 for mine, and it's just as well made as anything else. I doubt I'm going to have any major problems with it other than replacing batteries.

LOL.....
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To who? I wouldn't pay $6,000 for that one. If I'm going to pay $6,000 for a watch, it's had better be like GOLD or PLATINUM, or something else. Heck, my Movado is even Gold plated and I didn't even pay $1,000 for mine, and it's just as well made as anything else. I doubt I'm going to have any major problems with it other than replacing batteries.

LOL.....

 

Batteries, don't need no steenkin' batteries!

 

 

 


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Batteries, don't need no steenkin' batteries!

 

 

 

Yeah, but don't you have to get those expensive watch winders to constantly wind them up when the thing's not in use?   Batteries aren't that expensive.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwHi-hshh6k

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Yeah, but don't you have to get those expensive watch winders to constantly wind them up when the thing's not in use?   Batteries aren't that expensive.

 

 

 

Nah, I just put them in my safe and reset and rewind them when I want to wear them, I usually rotate them, wear them for around a week at a time or I feel like a change.

 

I've got a similar Seiko, a blue baby tuna, Japanese and Chinese are a lower priced entry into the world of automatic watches.

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Nah, I just put them in my safe and reset and rewind them when I want to wear them, I usually rotate them, wear them for around a week at a time or I feel like a change.

 

I've got a similar Seiko, a blue baby tuna, Japanese and Chinese are a lower priced entry into the world of automatic watches.

$5K to $6K for a watch is like a new MacPro..... Or a better stereo, etc. etc.   My watch tells time just fine, looks good and I only change the battery every several years.  No big whoop.  I don't have to put it in a safe, it it gets stolen, it's not as big of a loss...  LOL.

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$5K to $6K for a watch is like a new MacPro..... Or a better stereo, etc. etc.   My watch tells time just fine, looks good and I only change the battery every several years.  No big whoop.  I don't have to put it in a safe, it it gets stolen, it's not as big of a loss...  LOL.

 

That's entry level, one of these is over a hundred thousand, a handful a year custom built, it's also one of the commonest fakes

 

 

http://www.breitlingforbentley.com/en/collection/bentley-mulliner-tourbillon/presentation/

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That's entry level, one of these is over a hundred thousand, a handful a year custom built, it's also one of the commonest fakes

 

 

http://www.breitlingforbentley.com/en/collection/bentley-mulliner-tourbillon/presentation/

it's a piece of jewelry.   I'm not a collector of watches.  It's nice, but there is a LOT of other things I prefer to spend money on.  To each his/her own.

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Hey dude, this one's worth $6000

 

 

With a bit of care and an occasional service it should last over a hundred years and I or my heirs can always sell it.

 

I like fine Swiss craftsmanship, I enjoy having these things, Apple gives me the same sense of pleasure.

 

It is worth paying for.

 

Swiss? How about http://www.longines.com/watches/the-longines-master-collection ?? Swiss made and automatic wind for less than half the price. My father had one that he paid $350 for in 1968(P.S. That was a LOT 45 years ago), and just recently broke... after YEARS of abuse(he was a carpenter and wore it EVERY SINGLE DAY to work).

 

To each his own I guess.

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