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post #81 of 270
Gotta love all these people who have never used iOS 7 calling it a "downgrade".

Here's the reality: It's fantastic. It's a huge upgrade.

I didn't like the look of it when previewed at WWDC, but having upgraded, I'm very happy with it.

But of course, the typical fandroid/apple hater is just looking for an excuse.

How many times has Apple released something that is significantly better and we've heard them whine about it?

The iPad: "just a big iPod touch"
The iPhone: "no keyboard, doomed"
The iPad Mini: "android has had this all along!" (never mind the crappy software)
The iPod: "no built in radio, less storage than (device 3 times as big and heavy) lame".

They'll never learn, no matter how many hundreds of billions of dollars worth Apple sells, they'll claim it's a failure.
post #82 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

If you think that having a different opinion than yours constitutes "trolling", you may wish to refrain from using forums such as this. Otherwise, please feel free to respond with valid arguments - most of my friends do NOT like iOS7; iPhone 5C sales are already a disaster and reflect huge demand miscalculation by Cook, the world's former "best COO"; and iTunes 11 is most decidedly a pathetic upgrade on all counts...so again: prove me wrong. 

Prove the 5C is failing. You can't. So your friends may be adverse to change. I like iOS 7 although it has some annoying bugs.

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Am I?

http://mashable.com/2012/11/30/itunes-11-rocks/ - (see comments, please)

http://www.nadynerichmond.com/blog/2012/12/06/ten-reasons-why-i-hate-itunes-11/

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/computer-based-media/itunes-11

"iTunes 11 is horrible" - 3,220 results - "iTunes 11 is great" - 870 results.

That means nothing. Search this site for "brlawyer troll" and "brlawyer not a troll". What has more hits?
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Yeah, in 2 yrs when Apple drops support for iOS6, everyone will be on iOS7.

Nope, people who can't upgrade will be on iOS 6. iOS 6 won't self destruct.
post #83 of 270
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This kind of fallacious argument doesn't really help here - I don't need to try heroine in order to know that it is bad.

 

I have to strongly disagree with your logic. Some of my favorite albums took more than a few complete listens before I could realize how good they were. Some of them, before being given a few chances, I even thought were downright horrible.

 

So iOS 7 is indeed different, and I understand why y'all are so terrified of trying something new and different, but you'll find your way over eventually. And I'd be willing to bet that those who do grudgingly make the switch will love it within a month or two (secretly or otherwise).

post #84 of 270

Funny, this report comes out a month after IOS7 available.  I pay more credence to Chitika who real-time reported the data and their graphs actually have a scale!  Another set of data from Mixpanel This data from Mixpanel has iOS 7 adoption at 60.8%, iOS 6 at 35.53%, and all older versions combined at 3.67%.  In a single week, Apple has been able to convince the majority of its mobile customers to update to a drastically redesigned operating system.

 

Sadly, Android isn’t doing quite as well with its newest versions. Android 4.2.x (Jelly Bean) is only at 8.5% penetration on Android devices, and that launched in November of last year. Android 4.3 didn’t even make it to 1% in time to be counted on this chart. Hell, Android 2.3.x (Gingerbread) still holds a shocking 30.7% install base, and it’s over two years old now. Even though Google seems to be working hard to reduce the impact of fragmentation, it still has a lot of work ahead of itself.

 

UPDATE: iOS 7 on 52% of iOS Devices One Week After Public Release

  • 19 September 2013

UPDATE 2 (9/25/13): By the afternoon of September 25th, 2013, one week following the release of iOS 7, over 51% of North American iOS-based Web traffic was generated by iOS 7 users, again outpacing iOS 6 over the same time period.

post #85 of 270
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Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post
 

1. It is the first and only mobile OS that really takes advantage of Retina caliber Display.

 

 

What?  Other mobile operating systems are running regularly at pixel densities and absolute resolutions that far exceed the Retina displays in the iPhone and iPad.

 

Unless you mean the first and only mobile OS to be designed for a 640x960 display, then I have no qualms.

post #86 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

 

This kind of fallacious argument doesn't really help here - I don't need to try heroine in order to know that it is bad.

 

Talk about fallacious. We're not talking about a drug.  HEROIN has quantifiable negative physiological and psychological effects and no positive ones. It is also illegal.

 

iOS is not illegal and what we have is a difference of opinion. You don't like it.  Fine. I do. It works for me at least as well in most cases and better in others than iOS 7.  

 

I think the originals poster's point is that in his judgment, most complaints fade with experience with the product. While anecdotal, I agree. The number of "iOS is bad." stories have fallen just as always does after a new release. 

post #87 of 270

LOL@  the guy whose never met a heroine, but knows they're bad.  Something tells me no heroines want to marry you anyway.

post #88 of 270
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
 

 

What?  Other mobile operating systems are running regularly at pixel densities and absolute resolutions that far exceed the Retina displays in the iPhone and iPad.

 

Unless you mean the first and only mobile OS to be designed for a 640x960 display, then I have no qualms.

 

"Running on" and "taking advantage of" are two different things. Software can run on a multi-core processor and not take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by Retrogusto View Post
 

If this is actually true, one reason could be that as more and more people get iPhones, the mix of early-adopters to late-adopters sways towards the latter. People who waited 5+ years to get their first iPhone (and possibly their first smartphone) are probably also the ones less likely to upgrade their OS to the latest version as soon as it's available. So if you're talking about the total user base, percentages are likely to trend lower, even if absolute numbers of first-day upgrades increase.

 

Good analysis. As iPhone saturation increases, the percentage of early adopters decreases.

post #90 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

 

Isn't tech news sufficient in that case? Early price cuts and evidence that it only constitutes less than 1/3 of new iPhone sales, EVEN THOUGH our dear leader Cook implied that the 5C would be the most popular and accessible model...what else is needed?

 

Even if any of that is true (I love the part about basing your argument on what Cook "implied"), which I doubt, who cares?  Would it the same "bad" news if Toyota rolled out two new version of the Prius and they outsold every other hybrid but the more expensive model surprisingly outsold the cheaper one?  Perhaps this is a new version of the half empty/half full metaphor, now we have the "oh no, my glass is overflowing!" problem.

post #91 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

 

I am not talking about iTunes 11's "sync/backup" (which probably works in the same way as before); I am talking about iTunes 11 itself and the fact that I would be obliged to use it in order to sync/backup an iOS 7 device - a total train wreck and much, much worse than iTunes 10 in virtually every respect, particularly in terms of UI, large library management, album list view, etc. etc. etc. No need to elaborate, just google around. 

Yes. google it. The answer to how you will like it. Good answer. /s

 

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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post
 

I've noticed the majority of people who complain about iOS 7 are those that haven't USED it or can't use it because their devices are too old. Everyone I've talked to who has upgraded, loves iOS 7. Yes, the colors are a bit garish, but a lot of the new features that make it easier to use far out weigh the color scheme.

 

Control Center, the new notifications, swiping from left to right to go back a screen, the new Safari, the app switcher (multi-tasker), etc.

 

I would NEVER go back to iOS 6 and using iOS 5 on my iPad is awful now. :(  Well not awful, but makes it feel so dated.

I feel the same way. My wife wasn't too crazy about it at first, but is fine now; my cousin wasn't happy until I showed her a couple of things.

 

Thing is, iOS 7 was not designed for current and even most recent releases of hardware. It was a preparation for next year. (IMHO of course)

 

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Originally Posted by Boltsfan17 View Post
 

I don't get this report. Apple as well as other third party tracking firms have said iOS 7 saw the fastest adoption rate of any iOS update. How is it possible iOS 6 was higher in the first week compared to iOS 7? 

Well, this graph has the luxury of not having any numbers on it. I liked that part the best.

post #92 of 270
Well, I sadly updated to iOS 7 - now it makes me feel sick when I use my iPad mini ... just like others have reported. I wish I could go back to iOS 6 - is that possible???. I don't use my iPad mini much anymore. The design under iOS6 just looked/felt nicer too. I just feel wheezy under iOS7 1oyvey.gif
Edited by wozwoz - 10/18/13 at 11:17am
post #93 of 270
I call bullsh*t. This report is full of it. People LOVE iOS7. iOS7 is way more popular than iOS6 was and is. This report is false.
post #94 of 270
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Originally Posted by Eternal Emperor View Post
 

 

HEROIN has quantifiable negative physiological and psychological effects and no positive ones.

 

Not to be all nitpicky or anything, but heroin DEFINITELY has some positive effects. Just... they're rather short-term.

post #95 of 270
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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post
Other mobile operating systems are running regularly at pixel densities and absolute resolutions that far exceed the Retina displays in the iPhone and iPad.

 

 

Have to love people bragging about devices with resolutions higher than your eye can discern.  Apple was the one that pushed technology into the retina area... and now, like they always do, the mindless android competition takes it as far as they can as if going from 300dpi to 400 dpi is some sort of advantage.  (well, if lower battery life, and a bigger, heavier, poorer quality experience were some sort of "advantage".) 

 

Talk about specs for specs sake. 

 

Meanwhile, when Apple moves the state of the art forward, they call it "change for change's sake". 

 

Its like they are completely irrational.  

post #96 of 270

I wasn't sure about iOS 7 when I saw the screenshots and videos, but honestly I barely notice the aesthetic changes now I'm using it and the new features are a huge improvement. Surprisingly, I haven't heard a single bad thing about it from relatives or regular folk.

post #97 of 270
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They've already dropped support.

 

Interesting assertion, but then how to you explain that a few weeks ago Apple modified the App Store so that developers can make older versions of their apps available indefinitely.  So if I'm running an older version of an app on my iOS 6 device, I can still upgrade to the latest iOS 6 version of the app even if the developer has moved on to only supporting iOS 7.  Why would Apple do that if they had "dropped support" for iOS 6?

post #98 of 270
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I wasn't sure about iOS 7 when I saw the screenshots and videos, but honestly I barely notice the aesthetic changes now I'm using it and the new features are a huge improvement. Surprisingly, I haven't heard a single bad thing about it from relatives or regular folk.

Maybe if you're really nice brlawyer will introduce you to "all his friends" since they universally hate it. /s

post #99 of 270
This analysis of the punt return arrives well after both teams have left the stadium, as iOS7 adoption is at about 75 percent by now.
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This analysis of the punt return arrives well after both teams have left the stadium, as iOS7 adoption is at about 75 percent by now.

Yes, but the runner didn't go as FAST as the runner did last year (while this year scoring 9 M touchdowns).

post #101 of 270
That's because it mostly sucks. I can "live with" but don't like the cartoony icons but everything is harder to use and see. Icons such as on the phone app are too faint to see. If I switch to any other app while using ANY gps app, when I switch back to the navigation it has lost the coordinates. Every time my phone connects to my car with Bluetooth it will start playing random music for either iTunes Radio or my library but never from the last play list I was listening to. I have warned
Dozens of people away who wanted to update.

I am, and have always been an apple fan and early adopter. This update blows.
post #102 of 270
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Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post
 

Isn't tech news mmmph mmmph mmmph

 

I think the problem here is that your comments lack critical thought and insight.  Any idiot can glean their own reality/"truth" from the Intertubes, if they try hard enough.

 

On the other hand, your posts have amused today, albeit in a train-wrecky sort of way.

post #103 of 270
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Originally Posted by StruckPaper View Post
 

1. It is the first and only mobile OS that really takes advantage of Retina caliber Display.

 

 

What?  Other mobile operating systems are running regularly at pixel densities and absolute resolutions that far exceed the Retina displays in the iPhone and iPad.

 

Unless you mean the first and only mobile OS to be designed for a 640x960 display, then I have no qualms.

 

You really need to read before responding.

 

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Originally Posted by Eternal Emperor View Post
 

 

"Running on" and "taking advantage of" are two different things. Software can run on a multi-core processor and not take advantage of it.

 

Thank you. But isn't it befuddling that this distinction needs to be highlighted?

post #104 of 270
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I am, and have always been an apple fan and early adopter. This update blows.

No, it doesn't. You're just not qualified to pass judgment on it. After all, this is not even an update. You sound like a bleacher bum telling George Brett his swing is ugly.


Edited by StruckPaper - 10/18/13 at 11:45am
post #105 of 270
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post
 

 

 

Tell us something that we don't know.

 

Here, some reviews of those pundit articles :

 

http://www.macworld.com/author/The-Macalope/

This is what this industry has come to - critiques of a product followed by critiques of the critiques, followed by debates about the critiques of the critiques, followed by fights over the debates of ...

post #106 of 270
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Originally Posted by PScooter63 View Post
 

 

I think the problem here is that your comments lack critical thought and insight.  Any idiot can glean their own reality/"truth" from the Intertubes, if they try hard enough.

 

On the other hand, your posts have amused today, albeit in a train-wrecky sort of way.

I'm afraid your interpretation of an idiot lacks critical thought and insight. :)

post #107 of 270
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Originally Posted by MacKrazyinKC View Post

Well iOS 7 is on my phone but not on the iPad. I do not do "Notes" on the phone any more due to the glaring "whiteness" of the page. Secondary thought all the "white" sucking the juice of our batteries? Yes I could reverse the screen but that is too dark. Friendly yellow was a good balance there. And yes I could download another app to write notes more effectively but why should I have too?

I think Ive went too far, too fast to break the Forstall link here. We are moving to the Henry Ford model. Any color you want as long as it is "minimal" and in this case "white". Other commenter hit the nail on the head. Too clinical and sterile to be a personal device.

I'm pretty sure black takes more energy to display on a screen than white. That may be for plasma tv's and not LCDs though. Obviously the yellow page color of notes in iOS 6 is not black, but you get the idea. That said, if yellow is more energy intensive to show, you'd have to be in notes for half a day or more to notice a difference. Your preferences are yours, but all computer word processors have a white background. Get over it.

As for others calling iOS 7 "clinical" and "sterol", why don't they use it first. You can't judge the experience by liking at screen shots. But again, each has their own prefs, so do what you like.
post #108 of 270
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Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post

USAToday published an article painting iOS 7 in a bad light. There's lots of talk outside of AI about Apple losing its mojo.

http://usat.ly/1gnDQlP

It's wonderful how this article reaffirms everything horrible I ever believed about iOS 7. Funny how we seek validation of our biases, rather than information to shape our beliefs.

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post #109 of 270

Slower uptake than iOS 6?  If this is even true in the first place, who cares?  The consensus is that the majority of the iOS user base has already updated to iOS 7, and developers and apps have already moved in that direction very rapidly. 

 

Recall all the pundit chatter last year about how the new Maps app that came with iOS 6 was holding users back from updating their devices.  None of it mattered then, and none of it matters now.  Most iOS devices right now use version 7, and by this time next year, the uptake will probably be close to the 90+% that iOS 6 had right before iOS 7 was released. 

 

As far as iOS 7 goes, I have it on my iPhone 5s and really like it.  Most of the UI changes make sense, and the minimalist look actually mates very well with the parallax view.  Going back to iOS 6, everything looks clunkier.  Yes, there are bugs, which is why I don't plan to update my iPad 3 until later.  But, on the whole, iOS 7 improves far more than it detracts. 

post #110 of 270
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Ever heard of wireless syncing, troll?

That is almost as priceless as the troll who complained that iPhone users had to "bump phones to exchange data."

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post #111 of 270
Wasn't there an almost identical story with the complete opposite headline?

http://************/2013/09/26/ios-7-adoption-rate-much-higher-than-previous-releases-now-approaching-60-percent-overall/


Change is scary to most people, because it forces them to leave their comfort zone.
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Isn't tech news sufficient in that case? Early price cuts and evidence that it only constitutes less than 1/3 of new iPhone sales, EVEN THOUGH our dear leader Cook implied that the 5C would be the most popular and accessible model...what else is needed?

 

Tech news is FULL of BS. Tim Cook said it himself: only an idiot would rely on the supply chain for real demand since its so complex with so many moving parts.  Remember last Dec there were reports of iPhone orders being cut?  BS.  Remember in Jan they said iPhones orders were cut 50%. BS. 

 

Mr Cook never said the 5C would outsell the 5S.  Only stupid ass ANALysist said that.

 

Price cuts happen all the time.  The 5C had a price cut of $50 BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED by Walmart.  You can get the 5S for $100 off on Virgin mobile.   You can get the 5S for $100 off at Best buy when you trade in ANY working smartphone.  Its called PROMOTION.

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post #113 of 270

Not sure why all the negative about iOS 7. I love it. No problems at all for me on my iPhone 5C. I'm not sure why people are hating it. I'd like to know the reason(s) and not just "it sucks". I personally think iOS 6 and below was getting a little long in the tooth as far as the design. Its looked the same far too long and the glassy icons and other parts of the UI were just getting really old. The other parts of iOS 6 like the green felt in Game Center, leather appearance of Find my Friends and other apps are just plain ugly to me. I like the simplistic approach of iOS 7's design. 

 

The functionality of iOS 7 really didn't change. Its just the UI of the things you're tapping on that changed. I'm not sure why all the fuss about it. 

 

I don't see Apple losing its mojo at all. Keep things the way they were I think would make Apple lose its mojo. You have to keep up and push, not settle for whats always worked. If you just sit there and settle, you'll be the next Blackberry. 

 

I'm hoping the next version of OS X after Mavericks has more of an iOS 7'isk UI change. More of a flatter design. I think its time for a change. 

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post #114 of 270
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Originally Posted by Jessi View Post
 

 

 

Have to love people bragging about devices with resolutions higher than your eye can discern.  Apple was the one that pushed technology into the retina area... and now, like they always do, the mindless android competition takes it as far as they can as if going from 300dpi to 400 dpi is some sort of advantage.  (well, if lower battery life, and a bigger, heavier, poorer quality experience were some sort of "advantage".) 

 

Talk about specs for specs sake. 

 

Meanwhile, when Apple moves the state of the art forward, they call it "change for change's sake". 

 

Its like they are completely irrational.  


Yep, it's like the astroturfers who attack Apple for sticking with "only" two-core CPUs, while insisting that 64-bit is just a marketing gimmick.  The Android OEMs are now caught up in a spec war, with octa-core CPUs, escalating GHz ratings, and rampant "benchmark optimization" cheating.  All the while, the devices just keep getting bigger and heavier.  Yet, even with Samsung et al gaming the benchmarks, the iPhone 5s still outperforms them in most tests. 

 

It's no accident that the Android devices sharing similar screen sizes with the iPhone are second class devices.  The Android OEMs went to the larger screen sizes for their flagship models because they had to, in order to accommodate the much larger batteries needed to power the higher spec'd innards.  Apple has its flagship device in the 4" size because it chooses to, and Apple still retains the option of moving up to a larger screen size and bumping up the specs. 

 

The 5s already outperforms the competition, despite having fewer cores, a smaller battery, and lower clock speed.  If Apple wants to move over to a larger form factor, they can really push the envelope on performance or battery life or a combination of the two.  And then there are the possibilities with the migration over to 64-bit, which will constitute the majority of the iOS user base within the next two years.  Apple can play the specs game if they want to, but they have other considerations other than numbers and feature checklists.


Edited by Woochifer - 10/18/13 at 12:27pm
post #115 of 270

iOS 7 is ugly and awkward. The look of iOS 6 is far superior.

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Yes, but at least from my perspective, iOS7 has by far received the most negative (least positive?) reception of all the iOS updates so far. And it suffers some real usability issues in terms of colors, fonts, etc. Too much change for the sake of change.
I heard people complain more about ios 6. With ios 7 people are griping about design changes. Its like with anything. The peoplewho dont like itare always the loudest. Everyone else moves on with life.
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iOS 7 is ugly and awkward. The look of iOS 6 is far superior.

 

No it isn't. And my opinion is worth more than yours anyway so shut up.

post #118 of 270
Have any of you actually considered that there are a host of Apple devices that cannot go onto iOS7? 4th Gen iPod Touch, 3GS and older iPads to name a few.

Jeez, everyone so sharp to spin some negativity without thinking it through. iOS 7 has many rough edges but hard barriers to upgrade have a lot to do with the numbers too I suspect.

Not to mention the outrageous 3.1GB that has to be free in order to upgrade. This was almost a blocker for me.
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Heroine is demonstrably bad for you.

Not really.   I know someone who was put on it for post-operative pain relief and they said it worked well.

post #120 of 270
Christ. The word "subjective" mean anything to some people?

This may also help bump a few IQs up a couple of points:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

You know who I'm talking to.

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