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A proper USB port on the iPad would be wonderful ... In my case, I would like connect it to wired ethernet - rather than wireless - because I hate needlessly radiating my brain and body with wireless crap, when I have a faster wired ethernet connection right next to me.  [And no, I don't use a mobile phone either - and certainly not next to my head.]

Please be joking.

He might be the new version of UTP, cause he sure has some wires crossed up there...
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post #162 of 194
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I adore your articles. Keep it up

That is pathetic. Not you, but the author thumbing-up your comment to his own article.
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post #163 of 194
Originally Posted by Steve Cologne
- Control Center is much overloaded, so you switch things on and off unintentionally.

 

Just don’t screw up.

 
- You often open Control Center accidentally while scrolling upwards.

 

So turn it off. And don’t speak for others. “You” is not another word for “me”.

 
- Folders can only hold 9 icons in one screen (16 in iOS6 on the iPhone, 20 on the iPad). So, if you do not need more than 16 (20) icons in a group and that is most common So it's easier with iOS6.

 

Except there’s no limit to their size now. I’d prefer seeing more, but since you get more, it’s a tradeoff.

 
- Missing buttons (now plain text) make it difficult to find the functions. Often you do not know if something hides a function or if it's just a name, title or description.

 

Where?

 
- Switches look like cheap prototypes.

 

Come off it.

 
- Several functions are only usable if you KNOW exactly where to find them. There is no chance for an unfamiliar user.

 

Examples.

 
- Fonts are much too thin and therefore often difficult to read.

 

Settings/General/Accessibility/Bold Text

 
- The new whole-screen-unlock-function bears the risk of unlocking the phone unintentionally in ones pocket.

 

It’s just as possible now as it was before.

 
- You have to swipe down to find the Spotlight-search.

 

That bugs me. There was no reason for them to have changed it.

 
Often you open an App or scroll down a list or open the Notification Center unintentionally instead of opening the Spotlight-search.

 

How? Notification Center is at the top of the screen. Spotlight is literally ANYWHERE else.

 
- The Spotlight-search is less powerful than before. In iOS6 you can search the Web.

 

Somehow I don’t think it has changed.

 
- Media-controls are often more difficult to access.


How?

 
- Figuring out the New-App indicator is much harder.

 

Oh, that. No clue why they got rid of corner banners…

 
Shame on Apple.

 

Come on.

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post #164 of 194
I really don't like iOS 7. I hate the new look with the pointlessly thin, shadowless fonts, which is hard to read. Many icons are ugly or worse, lack soul, or worse still, represent nothing. It's like Mr. Corporate Bland had unwanted children with Mrs. Color Blind while using badly dyed colored condoms.

They are also too big now. So big icons with thin fonts. The effect is goofy.

Then there is the ugly translucent glass look behind the home row. Man, it just kills most of the background images. It's awful. Then the stupid, battery wasting parallax effect. What UI problem does this solve?

Buggy is the least of it. Looks and usability are the problem here.

(And no, I have no intention of leaving the ecosystem. I will stay with iOS 6 as long as practical or till they fix 7. I don't want to be a data gathering drone for Google).
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Just don’t screw up.

 

So turn it off. And don’t speak for others. “You” is not another word for “me”.

 

Except there’s no limit to their size now. I’d prefer seeing more, but since you get more, it’s a tradeoff.

 

Where?

 

Come off it.

 

Examples.

 

Settings/General/Accessibility/Bold Text

 

It’s just as possible now as it was before.

 

That bugs me. There was no reason for them to have changed it.

 

How? Notification Center is at the top of the screen. Spotlight is literally ANYWHERE else.

 

Somehow I don’t think it has changed.


How?

 

Oh, that. No clue why they got rid of corner banners…

 

Come on.

 

 

He is entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours.  

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #166 of 194
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I really don't like iOS 7. I hate the new look with the pointlessly thin, shadowless fonts, which is hard to read. Many icons are ugly or worse, lack soul, or worse still, represent nothing. It's like Mr. Corporate Bland had unwanted children with Mrs. Color Blind while using badly dyed colored condoms.

They are also too big now. So big icons with thin fonts. The effect is goofy.

Then there is the ugly translucent glass look behind the home row. Man, it just kills most of the background images. It's awful. Then the stupid, battery wasting parallax effect. What UI problem does this solve?

Buggy is the least of it. Looks and usability are the problem here.

(And no, I have no intention of leaving the ecosystem. I will stay with iOS 6 as long as practical or till they fix 7. I don't want to be a data gathering drone for Google).

 

That took away some of the pain; thanks!

 

 

The only way I can bear to use my iPad mini with iOS7 is to have all the Apple apps on one page and none in the dock, then on the next page of apps have just my chosen apps.  I never swipe back to the first page, and open and close my iPad to my page of apps.  The apps that I cannot/will not use: Mail, Safari, Clock, Photos, Messages, Reminders, Music, Calendar, Notes... that's about all of them!  Thankfully, many of my main apps (including iWork!) are still useable.  I wonder how long that will be the case...


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post #167 of 194
Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

He is entitled to his opinion, as you are to yours.  

 

Most of it, sure. Some of it’s plain tripe.

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post #168 of 194
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The only way I can bear to use my iPad mini with iOS7 is to have all the Apple apps on one page and none in the dock, then on the next page of apps have just my chosen apps.  I never swipe back to the first page, and open and close my iPad to my page of apps.  The apps that I cannot/will not use: Mail, Safari, Clock, Photos, Messages, Reminders, Music, Calendar, Notes... that's about all of them!  Thankfully, many of my main apps (including iWork!) are still useable.  I wonder how long that will be the case...

 

Overly dramatic, aren't we?

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Overly dramatic, aren't we?

 

 

Not at all.  I cannot stand the new OS and find it virtually unusable.  Since I can't revert back to iOS6 I had to find some way to use the mini or sell it at a major loss.

 

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post #170 of 194
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Settings/General/Accessibility/Bold Text

 

Tried that, of course. It helps somewhat but 1) Not enough and not everywhere, and 2) The default should be easy to read. It was easy to read in iOS 1 through 6.

 

Usability has simply and very obviously taken a back seat to novelty. The icons were done by Marketing, and it shows. I'll concede that iOS had accumulated too much linen and felt, too much skeuomorphism, and needed some cleaning up. But I was surprised by the direction they went. With Ive running things, I expected an elegant, streamlined look tending towards more muted, almost monochrome color schemes with extreme attention to pixel-level detail. Even then I expected this to happen over a couple of iterations of iOS, done carefully and with great deliberation.

 

Instead, iOS was sandblasted and then they threw a few buckets of children's paint over it to make it look new. To add insult to injury they came up with the 5C, which is just an attempt to save money by replacing machining with plastic molding. Then they market that cost saving with: Hey look: colorful!!! Come on. People aren't stupid, so the 5S is selling better than the 5C, as it should.

 

Don't get me wrong. Apple is still the only game in town. Mavericks is awesome (thank the Lord it hasn't gotten the iOS 7 treatment), the new Mac Pro looks great, the 5S hardware is amazing. But iOS 7 worries me a bit not just because it's ugly but because of the reasons it's ugly. It was rushed and usability criteria were ignored. They threw out the baby with the bathwater. They can fix it, and I hope they do. I really really do, but now it simply hurts my eyes and I have to stick with 6.

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Tried that, of course. It helps somewhat but 1) Not enough and not everywhere, and 2) The default should be easy to read. It was easy to read in iOS 1 through 6.

Usability has simply and very obviously taken a back seat to novelty. The icons were done by Marketing, and it shows. I'll concede that iOS had accumulated too much linen and felt, too much skeuomorphism, and needed some cleaning up. But I was surprised by the direction they went. With Ive running things, I expected an elegant, streamlined look tending towards more muted, almost monochrome color schemes with extreme attention to pixel-level detail. Even then I expected this to happen over a couple of iterations of iOS, done carefully and with great deliberation.

Instead, iOS was sandblasted and then they threw a few buckets of children's paint over it to make it look new. To add insult to injury they came up with the 5C, which is just an attempt to save money by replacing machining with plastic molding. Then they market that cost saving with: Hey look: colorful!!! Come on. People aren't stupid, so the 5S is selling better than the 5C, as it should.

Don't get me wrong. Apple is still the only game in town. Mavericks is awesome (thank the Lord it hasn't gotten the iOS 7 treatment), the new Mac Pro looks great, the 5S hardware is amazing. But iOS 7 worries me a bit not just because it's ugly but because of the reasons it's ugly. It was rushed and usability criteria were ignored. They threw out the baby with the bathwater. They can fix it, and I hope they do. I really really do, but now it simply hurts my eyes and I have to stick with 6.

I fully understand of what you said and I concur with it whole-heartedly. Strangely, after a week with iOS 7 all of these "almost" don't matter. If I could get back to iOS 6 now, I might not going back.

I still don't want the look on OSX though.
post #172 of 194
I second some of the comments. Facebook, Safari, Settings, Photos app, have crashed on me perhaps once every week. Even though the animations are decently fluid, it definitely isn't as fluid as it was, even on my iPhone 5.

Battery life is horrendous, although I can still get by. Besides visual changes, there really isn't any new features Apple can boast about.

Safari definitely is faster. I do like iOS 7 in terms of usability, but besides that, there really is nothing to boast about.
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There are many things I'm not liking about iOS7.   And this coming from a chronic early adopter.

 

My biggest beef, and the one that I've emailed Apple about on several occasions is the behavior on my iPhone 5 regarding Music Video playback in full screen.

 

Play the video in postage stamp mode with the phone upright and it works as usual. Tilt it to landscape and the video doesn't play anymore.  It comes up with their horrid cover flow pile of junk.

 

I'm told it's an intentional feature, to which I replied, "My no longer purchasing iOS products until this is fixed or you figure out how to allow me to revert to iOS6 where this feature works, is also intentional."

 

Sure,  It may seem a trifle of a thing to most users, but I purchased well over 1000 videos on iTunes and can't play them the way I used to be able to play them and I can't think for the life of me of a single reason why it shouldn't be played that way.

 

I was upset when I found out the iPad wouldn't play them properly in a playlist - due to dumping them in the videos app with no playlist control or anything of the sort in iOS6.   Again, couldn't understand why the same OS on a different machine would yield inexplicable divergent results, but my phone still did what it was supposed to.

 

Now there's a crappy little postage stamp of a video on the iPad and this stupid cover flow on the iPhone.

 

I will not be upgrading ANY iOS device or purchasing any more music from the App store until this problem is fixed.   And no, people, I don't think I should have to buy a third party app to do what my devices USED to do with stock software.   I did, however, try one that was recommended - MVP.   Several reports said that it worked well.   Not for me.   Won't play the Apple DRM files on my system and crashes when I try to play any non-DRM protected files.   And yes, I've tried a reload of the phone, software, apps and music library to no good result.

 

This, to me, is the reason I bought the phone - to enjoy the multimedia experience that was promised (And mostly, until now) delivered by Apple.    Now I can't even do that.   So my review:   I really dislike it in a BIG way.   I want this fixed.  I will not be upgrading my iPhone or iPad or Mac until this is fixed.   It's called 'voting with dollars' and I find that the several thousand that I have sent in that direction has been wasted by a simple feature which should be a basic function of the phone AND the iPad.

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I really don't like iOS 7. I hate the new look with the pointlessly thin, shadowless fonts, which is hard to read. Many icons are ugly or worse, lack soul, or worse still, represent nothing. It's like Mr. Corporate Bland had unwanted children with Mrs. Color Blind while using badly dyed colored condoms.

Spot on!  It is corporate and bland and dead. It reminds me of using old Windows ... just feels dead.

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That is pathetic. Not you, but the author thumbing-up your comment to his own article.

Well spotted :lol:

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Reporting on a report of a report is not really news. Why not go back to the source article, the Nielsen Norman Group report that you so quickly accuse of bias and bash.

 

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/ios-7/

 

Read some of their other reports, get an understanding for what they do. The report is critical but reasonable; it is not trivial.

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Thx - I did see few others providing a similar suggestion.  I do expect every software to have some bugs & irritability issues, but my general point was I have noticed iOS7 to be more problematic for me than 6 or 5 were.  In each case, I have carried over the previous version backup, so strange that it should be an issue with 7.  Interestingly, WaPo, Facebook, and a few other apps like Cricinfo - all of which have been updated for 7 - are the ones that crash more often.

I bricked my first 5, the Apple tech said it was unrecoverable and gave me a new one, mentioning that accumulation of corrupt code as the culprit and specifically directing that I NOT carry over from my backup but do a clean install and sync the phone instead. Apps are probably still chasing the OS...

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I hate needlessly radiating my brain and body with wireless crap

Please be joking.

It's a serious issue, look at the effects so far. 1wink.gif
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That is pathetic. Not you, but the author thumbing-up your comment to his own article.

It's no worse than if someone says 'thank you' and you say 'you're welcome'. Obviously it can be seen as an agreement instead as that's what the thumb represents but I think people are overly critical of the author's actions.
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It's a serious issue, look at the effects so far. 1wink.gif

 

I’d love it if the true effects of modern wireless radiation manifested only as a paranoia that modern wireless radiation was harmful.

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post #180 of 194
Don't listen to the Pros & Cons just try it. Most of the complaints revolve around missing detailed icons, really??? And what version is it? Oh yeah, it's new, not all that buggy and unlike others like Goofle & MicroCrap, Apple squashes bugs!

How about thank God that friggin hideous contact app is gone! I can't wait for Mavericks I cringe every time I have to access it on my MacBook Pro. Change is Good!

Only complaint I have is directions stay in the top of the screen while driving and hard to access the top of other apps like iMessage, but not supposed to be doing this while driving, so maybe that is meant as a deterrent. :-)
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And your comment tells me something else, it was written by a Fandroid.

 

Move along.

 

I doubt anyone here would claim I'm a fandroid and I hate DED articles. For example he doesn't seem to realize that one of the primary partners at Nielsen Norman is Don Norman.  A former Apple Fellow and VP.

 

Another is Bruce Tognazzini.  Another famous Apple alum.

 

Here's a Don Norman quote: 

 

“What is Google? What do they sell? They have lots of people; lots of servers, they have Android, they have Google Docs, they just bought Motorola. Most people would say ‘we’re the users, and the product is advertising'.  But in fact, the advertisers are the users and you are the product. They say their goal is to gather all the knowledge in the world in one place, but really their goal is to gather all of the people in the world and sell them.”

 
 

DED thinks this guy's company is a Google mouthpiece because Google, Samsung and others had the sense to hire them for UX consulting at some point in time.  His challenging NNG to produce "actual data" is laughable.  Nielsen is the guy that is well known in UX circles for usability statistics.  He wrote the book used in many classes regarding usability testing.  Don Norman, Jakob Nielsen and Tog are all on my bookshelf as a UX developer.  Heck Don Norman is reputed to have first used the term UX in a job title.

 

Certainly Apple (and Ives) have deliberately traded some affordances for style.  That's a difference between certain schools of UX design. That the NNG folks think that's a bad idea is par for the course.  Personally, I like iOS 7 and the trade off pretty reasonable in my opinion.  There are a few rough UX edges that will be refined in later iterations.  There always are.

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Reporting on a report of a report is not really news. Why not go back to the source article, the Nielsen Norman Group report that you so quickly accuse of bias and bash.

 

http://www.nngroup.com/articles/ios-7/

 

Read some of their other reports, get an understanding for what they do. The report is critical but reasonable; it is not trivial.

 

Perhaps you don’t understand. The USA Today article wasn’t based on the NNG complaints about the iOS 7 design. It was based on some unsubstantiated remarks from a NNG spokesperson claiming that iOS 7 was the most troublesome release ever. 

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I doubt anyone here would claim I'm a fandroid and I hate DED articles.  He's such a tool.  For example he doesn't seem to realize that one of the primary partners at Nielsen Norman is Don Norman.  A former Apple Fellow and VP.

 

Another is Bruce Tognazzini.  Another famous Apple alum.

 

Perhaps you don’t understand. Don Norman, Jakob Nielsen and Tog weren't making any remarks cited by USA Today. 

 

The story isn’t about any UX criticism, because that wasn’t the claims made by USA Today. 

 

None of the remarks in this article were defending iOS 7 UX or complaining that anyone might offer a critique. 

 

If you didn’t get that, what business do you have attacking the author about relevance? You do not know what you are talking about.

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Perhaps you don’t understand. The USA Today article wasn’t based on the NNG complaints about the iOS 7 design. It was based on some unsubstantiated remarks from a NNG spokesperson claiming that iOS 7 was the most troublesome release ever. 

 

It is really amazing that some folks are dumb enough to attempt to spin in the internet era when the original source is but one click away:

 

"It's Apple's most problematic operating system launch so far," said Raluca Budiu, senior researcher at consulting firm Nielsen Norman Group, which released a report on Oct. 12 saying the design of the new operating system makes it harder to use.

Buttons that used to stand out now blend with the background, and links that used to be visible may now be mistaken for plain text, the consulting firm said.

So the USA article "was based" in part on NNG's complaints about iOS 7 design.  That they also used her anecdotal comments to reinforce the claim that iOS 7 is "troubled" is not unexpected since it's the natural question a journalist might ask when writing a hit piece.  You, know, like "have you had any problems with iOS7 yourself?".  It is your assertion that "Instead, the story's premise relied almost entirely upon on a quote from Raluca Budiu" that is incorrect.  Her name doesn't appear until much later after the comments of Wang and Retzlaff and then is followed by comments made by Roiston.

 

In fact, while the context is a bit muddled, I believe that she's not actually commenting on bugs in iOS7 but issues with the redesign.  Look at the sentence preceding her statement:

 

"Apple's problems raise questions about its dramatic mobile makeover decisions and the company's elevation of Jony Ive to oversee much of that development."

 

Ive has relatively little to do with battery life and bugs in the OS.  He has everything to do with UX design.  Of course, that would require that you apply some modicom of reading comprehension as opposed to blindly striking out at anyone that would dare say anything negative about Apple.

 

The USA Today writers are evidently even worse at writing coherent pieces than you but it appears that they moved from operating system bugs (blue screen of death) to UX issues before moving back to Wang's inane comments regarding iOS updates and then back to design woes (where Budiu's comments really belong) before wandering over to hardware issues.

 

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Perhaps you don’t understand. Don Norman, Jakob Nielsen and Tog weren't making any remarks cited by USA Today. 

 

The story isn’t about any UX criticism, because that wasn’t the claims made by USA Today. 

 

None of the remarks in this article were defending iOS 7 UX or complaining that anyone might offer a critique. 

 

If you didn’t get that, what business do you have attacking the author about relevance? You do not know what you are talking about.

 

You are such a pompous prig talking about yourself in the third person.

 

You blatantly implied NNG were paid Google mouthpieces used to attack iOS completely unaware who the hell owns the company.  Again, only a fool would attempt to spin when when their own words are easily available:

 

"The primary source of the story, Nielsen Norman Group, is a consulting firm that counts Google, Samsung and other Android licensees among its clients


Unsurprisingly, Samsung and Google did not pay Nielsen Norman Group to detail the problems in Android, a more obvious comparison to make with iOS."

 

And UX claims WERE made by USA Today as clearly shown above.

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If you didn’t get that, what business do you have attacking the author about relevance?

 

Anyone else giggle when Corrections tries to make it sound like he isn't DED?

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Anyone else giggle when Corrections tries to make it sound like he isn't DED?

 

I just get a headache from rolling my eyes so hard.

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I dislike IOS7 so much that I am starting to collect links on Facebook to various articles describing the core issues at stake. The goal is to show that a sizeable number of people dislike IOS7, enough people that hopefully Apple will notice and reconsider their approach. I am amazed and saddened to read that loyal Apple fans are being dismissed as people who simply don't like change. In contrast there are many well-reasoned articles that dive into the details of what's wrong with IOS7, details much more substantial than "I don't like the new colors". Check out "IOS7 Rantz" (https://www.facebook.com/pages/IOS7-Rantz/1422677874613180) for more info (sorry for the shameless plug - I would post the links elsewhere if there was a place where they could be easily aggregated).

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Oh, yeah. Real valid.

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To clarify my previous post, I am simply storing the links on Facebook.  The articles themselves are from a variety of sources other than Facebook.  Many of the links are articles from respected UI designers.

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I dislike IOS7 so much that I am starting to collect links on Facebook to various articles describing the core issues at stake. The goal is to show that a sizeable number of people dislike IOS7, enough people that hopefully Apple will notice and reconsider their approach. I am amazed and saddened to read that loyal Apple fans are being dismissed as people who simply don't like change. In contrast there are many well-reasoned articles that dive into the details of what's wrong with IOS7, details much more substantial than "I don't like the new colors". Check out "IOS7 Rantz" (https://www.facebook.com/pages/IOS7-Rantz/1422677874613180) for more info (sorry for the shameless plug - I would post the links elsewhere if there was a place where they could be easily aggregated).

You sir, are an embarrassment to Apple and it's loyal users… TRUE Apple users have always embraced added functionality, sophistication, and innovation, all of which iOS 7 brings to the table. The only thing causing an issue here is the look / skin of the interface. Let's face it, no company in the world can please EVERY consumer, and the majority of people don't take kindly to change, just look at Windows 8. The difference between that OS and iOS 7, is iOS retains most of it's functionality, whilst adding PLENTY of new abilities. The thing that jars most people is the new coat of paint. To these people, I say get over it! The benefits of the new OS FAR outweigh any negatives of a few icons and colour palettes!

 

And I've read the reviews by these UI experts. Whilst some make decent observations and recommendations, most are full of it.

 

These types of "boycott" pages on Facebook of all places give me the serious giggles! It's the place where the old dogs who can't learn new tricks, and whiners of society go to hang out and feel better amongst themselves. If you're going to boycott something, how about boycotting oil companies who destroy our environment, governments who illegally spy on every member of their society in violation of their own laws and constitutions, world leaders who butcher and murder their own citizens???

 

Boycott those things and start a movement for that, not a bloody OS!

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Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post
 

You sir, are an embarrassment to Apple and it's loyal users… TRUE Apple users have always embraced added functionality, sophistication, and innovation, all of which iOS 7 brings to the table. The only thing causing an issue here is the look / skin of the interface. Let's face it, no company in the world can please EVERY consumer, and the majority of people don't take kindly to change, just look at Windows 8. The difference between that OS and iOS 7, is iOS retains most of it's functionality, whilst adding PLENTY of new abilities. The thing that jars most people is the new coat of paint. To these people, I say get over it! The benefits of the new OS FAR outweigh any negatives of a few icons and colour palettes!

 

And I've read the reviews by these UI experts. Whilst some make decent observations and recommendations, most are full of it.

 

These types of "boycott" pages on Facebook of all places give me the serious giggles! It's the place where the old dogs who can't learn new tricks, and whiners of society go to hang out and feel better amongst themselves. If you're going to boycott something, how about boycotting oil companies who destroy our environment, governments who illegally spy on every member of their society in violation of their own laws and constitutions, world leaders who butcher and murder their own citizens???

 

Boycott those things and start a movement for that, not a bloody OS!

I've been using iOS 7 on my iPhone and iPad, in terms of how it works?  Well, like ANY OS, Apple looks at what the users complain about, they do their own internal things and they'll make changes, they always do.    But they were getting a LOT of complaints to change the UI as people were bitching and complaining that iOS looked the same, so there are two fundamental camps. I personally see the benefits of how things were done in iOS 6 and how they are done now in iOS 7.   If I see a way to improve iOS 7 then I will send in my feedback to Apple through the www.apple.com/feedback and then let Apple make the decision, but there are things I've wanted in iOS that is in iOS 7 that makes it easier, but there are always areas for improvement.  What the icons look like is VERY superficial and Apple does change icons over time.  Remember what the icons looked like in the first rev of OS X to how they look like now?  Some have changed over time.

 

I'm not worried about it.  There are features in iOS 7 that's a LOT better like the app switcher.  Control Center is nice as well.

 

I think people should submit their suggestions, etc. directly to Apple via the feedback site rather than posting their BS on Facebook.

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Originally Posted by MagMan1979 View Post
 

You sir, are an embarrassment to Apple and it's loyal users… TRUE Apple users have always embraced added functionality, sophistication, and innovation, all of which iOS 7 brings to the table. The only thing causing an issue here is the look / skin of the interface. Let's face it, no company in the world can please EVERY consumer, and the majority of people don't take kindly to change, just look at Windows 8. The difference between that OS and iOS 7, is iOS retains most of it's functionality, whilst adding PLENTY of new abilities. The thing that jars most people is the new coat of paint. To these people, I say get over it! The benefits of the new OS FAR outweigh any negatives of a few icons and colour palettes!

 

And I've read the reviews by these UI experts. Whilst some make decent observations and recommendations, most are full of it.

 

These types of "boycott" pages on Facebook of all places give me the serious giggles! It's the place where the old dogs who can't learn new tricks, and whiners of society go to hang out and feel better amongst themselves. If you're going to boycott something, how about boycotting oil companies who destroy our environment, governments who illegally spy on every member of their society in violation of their own laws and constitutions, world leaders who butcher and murder their own citizens???

 

Boycott those things and start a movement for that, not a bloody OS!

 

I see - instead of providing specific counterpoints you would rather resort to name calling.  Hardly a way to make a point worth considering.

 

But reply I will, if only to clarify the issues with IOS7.  Before I do however I want to say that there are many things to like about IOS7 - the new control center, the webOS style of cancelling programs, the progressive zooming to maintain context.  I even think the parallax effect is rather cool.  But from a designer's perspective (I design GUIs for a living) there are significant usability issues (and apparently also from other users' perspectives based on the many negative reviews).  For example fonts are too thin to see clearly; commands visually blend into content; commands are inconsistently colored (e.g., red in some apps, blue in others, yellow in still others), etc.  Since commands have no other distinction from content other than color this becomes a major issue.  Whereas Apple's UI was previously intuitive, now you have to touch an image and see what happens.  For example, I defy you to tell me whether the AirDrop image is an active command or a graphic adornment without touching it!  These are but some of the issues.  If you're interested in a thoughtful debate I encourage you to read the articles I found.  These issues and others are enumerated in detail.  Or you can continue to label anyone who disagrees with your point of view.  As for me I have no intention of engaging in a flame war.

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I see - instead of providing specific counterpoints you would rather resort to name calling.  Hardly a way to make a point worth considering.

 

But reply I will, if only to clarify the issues with IOS7.  Before I do however I want to say that there are many things to like about IOS7 - the new control center, the webOS style of cancelling programs, the progressive zooming to maintain context.  I even think the parallax effect is rather cool.  But from a designer's perspective (I design GUIs for a living) there are significant usability issues (and apparently also from other users' perspectives based on the many negative reviews).  For example fonts are too thin to see clearly; commands visually blend into content; commands are inconsistently colored (e.g., red in some apps, blue in others, yellow in still others), etc.  Since commands have no other distinction from content other than color this becomes a major issue.  Whereas Apple's UI was previously intuitive, now you have to touch an image and see what happens.  For example, I defy you to tell me whether the AirDrop image is an active command or a graphic adornment without touching it!  These are but some of the issues.  If you're interested in a thoughtful debate I encourage you to read the articles I found.  These issues and others are enumerated in detail.  Or you can continue to label anyone who disagrees with your point of view.  As for me I have no intention of engaging in a flame war.

 

Meh.  As a UI designer that attends (and occasionally presents but not in the last few years) various HF/HCI/HSI/UX conferences my feeling is that past Apple UX has never been as consistent or intuitive as folks remember and current UX never as bad as usability folks think.  The reduction of affordance in iOS 7 in favor of stylistic changes is part of the usual pendulum swing.  Frankly, Apple does it's own thing with regard to UX and does far less research these days than MS.  And yet, Apple has much more usable interfaces anyway.

 

The traditional HF folks (especially those that serve DoD) simply don't get it.  Hence the "usable" but hideous web layout that NNG sported for the longest time.  Now it's a lot more Apple like.  White, clean but no more breadcrumb navigation.  Less usable but also doesn't look like ass anymore.

 

I can't tell if the AirDrop image is an active command or a graphic adornment without touching it THE FIRST TIME.  After that, it's not as much an issue. 

 

And the NNG assessment is:

 

"So far, in Apple’s apps, these cues do a good enough job of signaling tappability. Many of the apps that we’ve seen so far are decent; there are clear differences between what can be pressed and what cannot. Some of the cues rely on users’ previous knowledge of iOS and the web."

 

Swipe ambiguity is a minor issue on the iPhone (due to space) and a non-issue on the iPad (due to lots of space).  A little retraining mitigates most of this issue.

 

The assertion that Apple destroyed millions of hours worth of user learning is hyperbole.  For one thing, I vaguely remember a HFES paper (that I cannot find) regarding retraining time to achieve equal or better performance after UI changes.  It was faster than you would think depending on the kind of change.  So for NNG it was rather a fluffy statement.

 

Finally, I cannot take at all seriously any site called "iOS Rantz".  Really?

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