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post #41 of 213
Half-arsed article trying to cling to the clearly incorrect media bullshit line whilst also putting forth a logical and realistic appraisal of the unknowable financial situation.

Grow some balls AI, pick a side of the fence to sit on before your nuts drop off.

PS: I am surprised Apple (or a class action by investors) does not sue all these morons called journalists who prognosticate about things they don't understand with the sole purpose of hurting Apple and investors. There is clearly an ulterior motive, insider trading perhaps?
post #42 of 213
More disastrous analysis from DED. Fodder for the groupthink ditto heads.

Apple did not design the 5c to destroy its own profitability, or to make the 5s look really expensive in comparison. That would have been really stupid

If that was stupid then the iPad mini was stupid. Apple has continuously said it is prepared to cannibalise itself.

You could take every paragraph of DEDs pieces and year them apart. I detest this buffoon. iOS 7 can't be criticised in the press or we get ten pages of badly argued cant.

The sales of the 5C can't be analysed negatively or ten more pages of cant, mostly irrelevant whataboutay about the surface of the xBox, none of which matters a shit.

If Apple ever has real problems AI will be nothing else but apologist articles by this idiot.

This is supposed to be an investor, rumour and consumer site. If Apple miscalculated sales of the 5C then it should be discussed rationally. If iOS 7 is not as bug free as previous versions, rational discussion is needed. Dear Leader Cook should be criticisable.

Instead everything has to be explained away in execrable gaseous prose which nobody reads to the end, and a good percentage dont even read at all. Missing the "sarcasm" in the title. ( Since sarcasm has to be read in context rather than a title this is understandable).

Lets get back to rumours and reviews and send the "editorials" to whatever ditto head cess pool of the Internet this character crawled in from.

All of the excuses are bunk , btw, if the results next week show higher "forward looking inventory" than expected. ( aplogies for the technical verbiage on an investor site). That would mean that Apple had in fact miscalculated sales to begin with and now needed to refactor.

Not that that miscalculation is a big deal as they can either change their production ratios or reduce prices post christmas, but it is what it is, they did or they didn't. People who can rationally discuss that would be more in the tradition of this site. DED has a blog we can avoid.
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post #43 of 213
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So you've never speculated about something in this forum?

Why would I have to work for Apple?

If it has exceeded Apple's expectations then I'd say Apple has lowered its standards.

You may not like the 5C and I rather have the 5S, but we aren't the target audience for it.
post #44 of 213
Many, perhaps all, of these nattering nabobs of negativism have not made their affiliations with Android vendors transparent enough. Remove those analysts who work for firms representing Android vendors and then those bloggers who are simply echoing (citing) that analysis for page views and you've pretty much silenced the iPhone 5C-is-a-flop chorus.
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Turn on your sarcasm detector. That will help.
Also, remember: link bait only works with negative headlines.
Sadly not many people have sarcasm detectors, so they'll take the headline at face value.
post #46 of 213
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So you've never speculated about something in this forum?

Why would I have to work for Apple?

If it has exceeded Apple's expectations then I'd say Apple has lowered its standards.
Since none of us are privy to sales figures what are you basing this on? And what figure would not be lowered standards?
post #47 of 213
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You may not like the 5C and I rather have the 5S, but we aren't the target audience for it.

 

That's what you got from my post?

 

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post #48 of 213

MS Surface ad: Twats dancing and clicking covers.

Apple 5C ad: Twats saying "Mr Mojito" and "Miow".

 

Them's the target audience...

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post #49 of 213
Spend a few minutes in an Apple store and watch the customers that are actually shopping phones. Picking them up, comparing to what they may already have in their pocket, etc. They will pickup and 'heft' the C, but if they make a purchase, it's the 5S, OR a 4S.

In my fogey world we think money, as well as the product tech.
post #50 of 213
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Since none of us are privy to sales figures what are you basing this on? And what figure would not be lowered standards?

 

1. Basing what on?

 

2. Your question doesn't quite make sense. Almost... but not quite. I'll try and unravel it for you by asking... 'With everything you have read so far do you think that Apple has exceeded its expectations with the 5c?'

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post #51 of 213

The iPhone 5c will be part of the Apple lineup for years to come. It will eventually be the "free" phone, but for now Apple is able and should maximize their profit. As people upgrade, the iPhone 5c will become available has the "previously-owned" phone, assuming the plastic back wears well or is refurbishable or replaceable.   

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post #52 of 213

Well I guess that is what we come to expect for the anti-Apple, pro-Anything-but-Apple 'anal ysts'.

post #53 of 213
My daughter, 21, has to get things like phones wih her own money. She got a 5c and it's her 3rd iphone so she has a definite reference point. She loves it, and for what they both do she had no convincing argument for going for a 5s. In fact, without it as an option she might not have bothered to stay with an Apple phone.
post #54 of 213
If there is a failure among iPhones it is the iPhone 5. An analysis of Apple's performance during iPhone 5's tenure clearly shows this to be the case.

Comparing the iPhone 5C to anything other than the iPhone 5 is a big mistake. The point of the iPhone 5C is to replace the iPhone 5 as the #2 iPhone in Apple's lineup. It does this with a lower COGS, while expanding its geographic marketability by including LTE frequencies the iPhone 5 did not.

I expect Apple to sell more than 64 million iPhones during the December quarter. Had Apple not replaced the iPhone 5 with the 5C sales would be about 10% lower.

The iPhone 5C was not hired to compete with the iPhone 5S, it was hired to appeal to more low priced buyers than the iPhone 5 would have. It is doing that, ergo, the iPhone 5C is a success.
post #55 of 213
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post
 

2. 'With everything you have read so far do you think that Apple has exceeded its expectations with the 5c?'

 

I do.  The 5C is not intended to be adored by those seeking iPhone 5S power/performance/functionality.  Its purpose is to replace the iPhone 5, which did not adequately address the world's LTE networks.  The iPhone 5C does and costs less to produce.  Doing what it is intended to, (replace the iPhone 5, not compete with the iPhone 5S), the iPhone 5C is a resounding success.

 

Those that disagree are still smarting over the fact that Apple did not address the sub $400 market (one that Apple isn't interested in), and continue to worship at the altar of market share as the holy grail.

post #56 of 213
What's mysterious about it?

1. Price - Should have been free, or $49 at most.

2. Colors - looks cheap. I don't mind having colored sets, but these hues are cheap looking on these plastic bodies. They should have chosen slightly different hues to make them look more expensive. Steve Jobs would never have allowed these atrocious colors.
post #57 of 213

The (C)rappy version isn't successful?  Shocker...since Apple is known for (C)heap.  

post #58 of 213
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If that was stupid then the iPad mini was stupid. 

The iPad mini was Apple's answer for the buying interest shifting to smaller tablets. 

 

BTT:

I think the level of success of the 5C is dwarfed by the higher than expected level of success of the 5S.

It's a perception problem, not a real one.

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The (C)rappy version isn't successful?  Shocker...since Apple is known for (C)heap.  

you forgot "/s" tag.

Apple is known for cheap? you mean samsung and google
post #60 of 213
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Very well said; I agree 100%. 

Also, I expect that if there were a 5SC--with all the 5S specs, the 5S price, in a 5C plastic case--it would be a huge seller.  Not everyone prefers metal+glass to colored plastic.

I think that this would have been a great idea, especially if the could have done some customization and final assembly of the 5Sc in USA. Throw in the color bumper too and many people would think its a great deal.
post #61 of 213
Don't understand all the news reports of the 5c selling horribly. The rates of sell of all one generation removed phones are all about the same rate.
post #62 of 213
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I do.  The 5C is not intended to be adored by those seeking iPhone 5S power/performance/functionality.  Its purpose is to replace the iPhone 5, which did not adequately address the world's LTE networks.  The iPhone 5C does and costs less to produce.  Doing what it is intended to, (replace the iPhone 5, not compete with the iPhone 5S), the iPhone 5C is a resounding success.

 

Those that disagree are still smarting over the fact that Apple did not address the sub $400 market (one that Apple isn't interested in), and continue to worship at the altar of market share as the holy grail.

 

I think you are assuming quite a lot.

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post #63 of 213
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You are greatly overestimating the value and impact of expressing your opinion incessantly. 

It's really adorable that you think your opinion and those that you agree with are the only ones that are acceptable to post on the Internet.

Please cry more for me, your tears are delicious.
post #64 of 213

If i remember correctly, there was a report the iPhone 5 was very had to make. I think Apple had to change the design, whilst keeping it interesting, of the iPhone 5c so as to allocate valuable resources to the 5s. Imagine producing the same aluminum case for the 5 and 5s. That would be really difficult to produce in huge numbers, i think

post #65 of 213

I think its way too early to call the 5c either a success or a failure.  The vast majority of Apple phone sales are to existing iPhone users.  Whenever Apple releases a new product the faithful flock to it.  The spike in sales historically dwarfs Androids baseline sales- and really any other electronic product sales for that matter.  That's all the current data is really showing.  After two months the spike dies down and the faithful wait for 'next year' The avid faithful want 'the big dog' and are going for the impressively spec'd and elegant 5s.   Of course that is their preference.

 

I think the 5c may still show its creds in 'the long haul' after the spike simmers down.  We'll just have to wait and see but I'm sure there's going to be plenty of 'Its a failure!'.... 'No!  Its a success!'  articles to entertain us in the mean time.

 

I do think if there is a challenge for the 5c DED hit upon it in his prior article (somehow implying that more 5c sales would have been a bad thing):

"the Wall Street Journal didn't explain how it might be better for Apple to be selling more iPhone 5c models, which would either come at the expense of the high end iPhone 5s or the lower end iPhone 4s."

 

If DED is right in the statement he made above, the 5c is in trouble- because it is trapped in the 'Apple Universe'  DED implies a sale of the 5c is either a loss of a sale of a 5s, or in lieu of buying a 4s......   If that were the case, the 5c shouldn't have been introduced at all.  Wall Street wanted a phone that would attract *NEW* users, not divvy up the existing Apple users in a new way, and they thought they were going to get that and priced it in to their estimates.  As I see it, that is the challenge that is going to determine if the 5c was a good decision (either way, I think it is a pretty good phone- the question is whether it really needs to be there or not).  If it succeeds in drawing new people into the Apple ecosystem its a win, if it just changes which flavor of phone someone already committed to going with Apple buys- my guess is the majority of Apple fans will continue to choose the 5s.
 


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They spelled "decried" wrong. 1tongue.gif

 

The misspelling was in the original quotation, hence the [sic] after the misspelled word. Brush up on your rules of grammar before gleefully pointing out what you presume to be another's error.

post #67 of 213
Idk why they keep saying its a failure the day I went to get my mom her 5c there was a huge crowd getting the 4s and 5c and maybe 2 people playing around with the 5s. I've also seen them everywhere they seem to be very popular with the over 40 and under 16 crowd.
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The misspelling was in the original quotation, hence the [sic] after the misspelled word. Brush up on your rules of grammar before gleefully pointing out what you presume to be another's error.

 

I think the person was making a joke... saying that "they", not you, spelled 'decried' wrong... knowing full well that the author meant to spell 'described'.

 

That was my take, anyway.

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post #69 of 213
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The misspelling was in the original quotation, hence the [sic] after the misspelled word. Brush up on your rules of grammar before gleefully pointing out what you presume to be another's error.

Hmm. I think the OP knew the word was "described", the joke being the word actually mispelled was "decried".

At least that's how I read it.
post #70 of 213
It is of course silly to make any kind of pronouncement in the absence of complete information, but that won't stop anyone. Even when sales figures are released, expect a huge amount of hot air to be expended on this spurious issue. Anything to detract from the undeniable fact that Apple once again has a holiday hit on its hands.

One aspect of the 5C's hardened plastic case that has thus far received precious little attention is its durability in comparison to the soft aluminum case of the 5S. Indeed, to get the same kind of protection for the 5S requires shelling out more money for a case (an additional $39 for Apple's 5S case), which then covers up the 5S's otherwise-temporary beauty and adds to its bulk and weight. IOW, anyone who is interested in maintaining the value of their 5S would be foolish not to buy a case with it, while it is quite likely that the 5C will resell for a decent amount even if it isnt kept as protected.
post #71 of 213
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

1. Basing what on?

2. Your question doesn't quite make sense. Almost... but not quite. I'll try and unravel it for you by asking... 'With everything you have read so far do you think that Apple has exceeded its expectations with the 5c?'
Since I don't know what Apple's expectations are/were how can I have an opinion on whether they exceeded them?
post #72 of 213

What everyone forgets is that Enterprises buy a lot of phones and many have decided to stay one year behind to save cost.  Now that the previous year model is plastic, I have yet to meet a business that hasn't moved to the 5s instead.  Apple removed the option for businesses or individuals to buy a previous year, similar looking model.  Well done Apple.

post #73 of 213
I think the 5c is right at the price point it needs to be. As a Nokia 1020 owner myself, if my daughter wanted an iPhone 5c I would have no problems getting her one (I don't have a daughter, but that is another story 1smile.gif. I like the direction iOS7 took and think the polycarbonate body is a little more rugged for the real world (I don't care to much for big bulky cases).
post #74 of 213
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Instead everything has to be explained away in execrable gaseous prose which nobody reads to the end, and a good percentage dont even read at all...Lets get back to rumours and reviews and send the "editorials" to whatever ditto head cess pool of the Internet this character crawled in from.
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As the saying goes, people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. I only wish you could write in half as entertaining a manner as DED. Then I wouldn't have been forced to wade through your own pool of verbal excrement....
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The 5C is a pos. why anyone would care about $100 when they sign a 2 year $2,000 contract is something I will ever understand...

In typical (as of late) apple insider had yet another fan boy article for no apparent reason.

 

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post #76 of 213

The 5c has 5 models, and it's highly unlikely that all 5 would sell in exactly the same numbers. So Apple would have been planning all along to make a production adjustment shortly after launch, once they had gathered enough data to know which ones were selling. That is probably what the 35% cut was. The press need to put their thinking caps on. DED is right, they are too quick (eager, even) to say the sky is falling when it comes to anything to do with Apple.

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Since I don't know what Apple's expectations are/were how can I have an opinion on whether they exceeded them?

 

Seriously?

 

Lack of precise knowledge doesn't seem to have stopped you from opinions in the past.

 

... and I don't say that sarcastically or with malice.

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post #78 of 213
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>I am mystified by people who think $100 less is somehow "not much cheaper."


Because the 5c price is only 5% of the total cost of ownership, and the 5s price is insignificantly higher, like the cost of a latte higher (or whatever coffee floats your boat).

The same logic applies for 16G iWhatever vs 64G. The cost differential is buried in the 2-year contract price.
post #79 of 213
The 5c isn't competing with the 5s, because the latter is a far better deal. It's more powerful, it looks better, and it's distinctive. If you want a new iPhone, the 5s makes far better sense. Even if you want a colorful case, you can simply add one to the 5s.

If Apple wants the 5c to sell well, it won't be enough to lower the price with a two-year contract. These contracts costs so much--a couple of thousand dollars--that even cutting the 5c price down to zero won't make much difference in the total cost of ownership. Apple needs to reduce the price enough to sell direct to those who don't sign long contracts. That's an untapped market that mostly buys used iPhones (like me).

Do the numbers. The 5c costs $173 to build. Sell it unlocked for twice that, $350, and it'll do quite well. And many of those who but the 5c will, in a couple of years buy a 6s.
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The merits of the argument made here are undermined by the distraction of what has become a familiar wounded-fanboy tone in Daniel Eran Dilger's articles. His recent piece "WSJ backpedals on iPhone 5c supply chain cuts story" had a similar tone.

Click-bait editorializing is one thing, but these articles get a little too close to sounding like sophomoronic sneering. This all the more disappointing when, as is the case with these articles, there are actually some sensible points buried in the haughty sarcasm.

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