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The Wall Street Journal on Sunday reaffirmed rumors that Apple will be releasing a next-generation Retina version of the iPad mini, as well as a thinner, redesigned iPad, at an upcoming special event planned for Tuesday.

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Second-generation iPad mini mockup by Martin Hajek.


Citing sources from Apple's supply chain, the WSJ reports that a new Retina display-toting iPad mini will debut at Tuesday's media event, siding with a number of industry watchers who believe Apple can overcome apparent supply chain constraints with the high-resolution panel.

While analysts and mainstream media alike agree that Apple will likely unveil a redesigned fifth-generation 9.7-inch iPad next week, the second-generation mini has been the source of much debate. The main concern is whether Apple's supply chain can manufacture a sufficient number of 7.9-inch Retina-quality panels.

Earlier in October, Reuters suggested that Apple may face severe supply constraints of its next-gen iPad mini if the company chose to launch the device this year. The report cited sources as saying low yields from Apple's display suppliers, LG Display, Samsung and Sharp, were holding up production of the tablet. This aligns with a prediction from KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo's prediction, who said low display yield rates would delay mass production of the next-gen iPad mini until October.

If Apple is able to meet anticipated demand for the unannounced mini, however, the tablet is forecast to outsell its larger brother nearly two to one over the lucrative holiday season.

Interestingly, a look Apple's indirect channel inventory showed high levels for the current non-Retina iPad mini, suggesting the model may be carried over after Tuesday's announcement. Alternatively, the company could have simply dumped remaining direct channel inventory to reseller channels ahead of the new models' anticipated debut.

As for the full-size iPad, the WSJ reiterated claims from an August report that said the fifth-gen tablet will employ GF2 thin-film screen technology to make the device slimmer and lighter than its predecessors. The larger iPad is also said to feature a redesign with thinner bezels and rounded corners, bringing it more in line with the current iPad mini.

All speculation should be laid to rest on Tuesday, when Apple is widely expected to announce the new iPad and iPad mini, possibly alongside OS X 10.9 Mavericks and new Mac products. AppleInsider will be at the event providing live coverage from 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 p.m. Eastern.
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I take a confirmation over a whisper any day
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Let hope the info one iPad Mini Retina is accurate.
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Let hope the info one iPad Mini Retina is accurate.

And the price is not exorbitant...

As well as no big increase in weight (thickness matters less to me, in terms of a mm plus or minus).

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I might try this rumour stuff.

 

I heard from a source that there will be an iPad c, unashamedly plastic in a range of colours, it will have the same cpu as the old iPads and will be cheap, if it isn't cheap it will fail except for selling more than any other tablet out there, which doesn't count for anything but production will be cut in a few weeks or maybe it will rise, whichever it will be a fail anyway.

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I might try this rumour stuff.

I heard from a source that there will be an iPad c, unashamedly plastic in a range of colours, it will have the same cpu as the old iPads and will be cheap, if it isn't cheap it will fail except for selling more than any other tablet out there, which doesn't count for anything but production will be cut in a few weeks or maybe it will rise, whichever it will be a fail anyway.

You are you are correct! The negative press releases have already been written and last minute coordination of release dates are being approved.
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My lawyer's dentist's cousin (twice removed) has it on good authority that something will be announced by Apple on Tuesday... Fingers crossed!

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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?
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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?
Why?
The WSJ is no longer the respected publication it once was. That said there is nothing keeping Apple from going retina in the iPad.
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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?

This kind of thing happens every Apple release. Analysts and reporters promise the moon. Apple instead releases the best product that's actually possible. Analysts claim apple is losing its touch. Share prices fall while Apple collects record profits. Repeat.

Also, I doubt that Apple would be inclined to leak any info to the WSJ given the number of smear jobs they have put into print in the past.
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C'mon guys. Let's move to the next level of "concern" we get to waste time on among TV geeks.

Between Samsung, Sharp and LG, their factories in Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China - look at all the permutations available for comparative criticism, buying choices. When I bought my most recent TV, it came down to intelligence letting consumers analyze serial numbers which indicated where the display was manufactured. :-]
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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?

Well, maybe they did, and the 'market' wants to punish Apple by:

a) ignoring repeating those rumors

b) build up their own rumors of imminent deployment of retina mini, boosting prices.

c) Short the stock immensely today on margin. (no serious player puts money into the market more than a couple days, if not a couple hours)

d) wait until it's apparent apple isn't releasing a retina AND the market has some small buyers panic and sell

e) release the kraken and in 72 point font release "NO RETINA MINI, AAPL MARKET COLLAPSES" into their media channels

f) wait until you see a a 3% drop.

g) buy back your shorts

h) $$$.

 

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Damn you AI and your click-bait...you got me.

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It says WSJ.

nothing to see here folks.

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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?

 

The WSJ and AllThingsD, along with Jim Dalrymple, appear to be Apple's preferred communications channels for controlled leaks. I don't think any "rumor" from the WSJ or AllThingsD the day before a product announcement has been incorrect. Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher of AllThingsD are severing ties with News Corp. in December, though, so it remains to be seen where Apple will head in the future.

 

That said, what we don't know yet is how much supply there will be of the iPad mini. That's the one I want. For the 3rd and 4th iPads, and last year's mini launch, supplies were plentiful and so were sales. If rumors are right, supplies of the larger iPad should be plentiful while the mini might be tight.

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It says WSJ.

nothing to see here folks.

??? The WSJ typically reports controlled leaks the day before announcements. 2 years ago, they "leaked" that there would be no iPhone 5 (just a 4s).

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Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?

Well, the headline reads that Apple reaffirmed this. I must've missed the first affirmation.
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The WSJ story is behind the paywall. Another interesting story is linked there, however, by Farhad Manjoo.

He says he thinks Google's strategy with Motorola and their new phone is to drive down smartphone prices in general, and so take revenue away from Apple and Samsung.

He thinks their Android strategy makes sense in the light of this theory: cripple your competitors who are making money by selling real goods by giving away the real goods, so you can make money off the eyeballs of users.

If Manjoo is right, it means that Google's Nexus 7 tablet is designed only to make Apple's iPad mini look like a ripoff.

The burden of describing in detail why the iPad mini is better than the Nexus 7 now falls on us, if we want to see good beat out evil in this twisted competition with Google.
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I might try this rumour stuff.

 

I heard from a source that there will be an iPad c, unashamedly plastic in a range of colours, it will have the same cpu as the old iPads and will be cheap, if it isn't cheap it will fail except for selling more than any other tablet out there, which doesn't count for anything but production will be cut in a few weeks or maybe it will rise, whichever it will be a fail anyway.

 

A lot of different iPad Mini C colors to "cover"...yes, yes. I'd actually buy a cheaper version of the Mini. 

Or is Apple releasing a gold Mini?

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The WSJ story is behind the paywall. Another interesting story is linked there, however, by Farhad Manjoo.

He says he thinks Google's strategy with Motorola and their new phone is to drive down smartphone prices in general, and so take revenue away from Apple and Samsung.

He thinks their Android strategy makes sense in the light of this theory: cripple your competitors who are making money by selling real goods by giving away the real goods, so you can make money off the eyeballs of users.

If Manjoo is right, it means that Google's Nexus 7 tablet is designed only to make Apple's iPad mini look like a ripoff.

The burden of describing in detail why the iPad mini is better than the Nexus 7 now falls on us, if we want to see good beat out evil in this twisted competition with Google.

 

Well commoditization isn't exactly a new concept. Apple is trying to keep their products unique and the question will be whether their innovation and ecosystem are enough to command a premium price that garners profits. At some point when all the prices of the parts that make the phone are reduced though, Apple either has to pass that on or include some new parts that demand the higher price. It has been noted that the profit margin on the "S" versions of iPhones is typically higher due to reusing many items for a second year. However Apple included 64 bit processor, fingerprint scanner and better camera sensor as an example. Apple will need to do this with this iPad revision as well. I'm anxiously wanting a Retina iPad mini for Christmas.

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The WSJ story is behind the paywall. Another interesting story is linked there, however, by Farhad Manjoo.

He says he thinks Google's strategy with Motorola and their new phone is to drive down smartphone prices in general, and so take revenue away from Apple and Samsung.

He thinks their Android strategy makes sense in the light of this theory: cripple your competitors who are making money by selling real goods by giving away the real goods, so you can make money off the eyeballs of users.

If Manjoo is right, it means that Google's Nexus 7 tablet is designed only to make Apple's iPad mini look like a ripoff.

The burden of describing in detail why the iPad mini is better than the Nexus 7 now falls on us, if we want to see good beat out evil in this twisted competition with Google.

 

Will never work.  Once you establish yourself as a premium brand you can somewhat insulate yourself from the "race to the bottom" antics of your competitors.  Much like Target can run as many sales as they want Nordstrom's will be unaffected because they clientele are different. 

 

Apple's biggest task is to maintain premium status. 

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Or is Apple releasing a gold Mini?

How could we possibly see if they are going to cover it? I'd rather see them uncovering something.
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The price between the high end classification like the next generation iPad5 and a high end iPad Mini Retina is around $50 dollars more in retail price. But in the past; Apple choice to make the smaller size using outdated technology to lower it cost to retain it profit margin. This has to change. Bring out the iPad Mini Retina with the same technology inside the full size iPad. I have no problem with Apple charging more for a high end iPad Mini Retina.
Edited by Harry Wild - 10/21/13 at 10:23am
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g) buy back your shorts

h) $$$.

 

 

Finally Phase Two is revealed!

 

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The WSJ and AllThingsD, along with Jim Dalrymple, appear to be Apple's preferred communications channels for controlled leaks. I don't think any "rumor" from the WSJ or AllThingsD the day before a product announcement has been incorrect. Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher of AllThingsD are severing ties with News Corp. in December, though, so it remains to be seen where Apple will head in the future.

That said, what we don't know yet is how much supply there will be of the iPad mini. That's the one I want. For the 3rd and 4th iPads, and last year's mini launch, supplies were plentiful and so were sales. If rumors are right, supplies of the larger iPad should be plentiful while the mini might be tight.

That is because Apple wants you to think that way! Why would the iPad 5 have a lot of supply while the iPad Mini Retina be restricted. The Mini Retina is suppose to outsell the iPad5 from 2 to 4 times for 2014!
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You'd think if no retina mini was coming Apple would have leaked something to their preferred outlets. Having WSJ report that its coming a day before the event and then not announcing one would not be good. Unless this WSJ report (and the one from a month or so ago) are Apple leaks?

 

 

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Why?
The WSJ is no longer the respected publication it once was. 

Because WSJ continues to post reliable *predictions* on the Monday preceding the Tuesday events.

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Will never work.  Once you establish yourself as a premium brand you can somewhat insulate yourself from the "race to the bottom" antics of your competitors.  Much like Target can run as many sales as they want Nordstrom's will be unaffected because they clientele are different. 

 

Apple's biggest task is to maintain premium status. 

Apple's iPhone is no ordinary premium brand. I can't think of another premium brand that dominates in sales volume like the iPhone line. The % of population going into Apple Stores is far greater than the % of population going into Nordstrom or BMW. I think it's moot to use other industries as analogy because this is just a totally different market. Making any kind of prediction is a fool's errand.

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This kind of thing happens every Apple release. Analysts and reporters promise the moon. Apple instead releases the best product that's actually possible. Analysts claim apple is losing its touch. Share prices fall while Apple collects record profits. Repeat.

Also, I doubt that Apple would be inclined to leak any info to the WSJ given the number of smear jobs they have put into print in the past.

But but but but, if the Wall Street Journal says it, it has to be true... Amirite? Amirite? Amirite?
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That said, what we don't know yet is how much supply there will be of the iPad mini. That's the one I want. For the 3rd and 4th iPads, and last year's mini launch, supplies were plentiful and so were sales. If rumors are right, supplies of the larger iPad should be plentiful while the mini might be tight.

I'm of the opinion that Apple plays the "shortage" rumors like a pro. They create the rumor to build the hunger before the release and garner tons of free press and explosive first weekend sales... It's what a market leader can do. If Samsung were to try this, it die in the womb.
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A new mini with the A7 processor, IGZO retina display, updated cameras, and the fingerprint scanner would be a dream, but unfortunately Apple holds back features in order to rely on them the following model year. I'd guess A6 with a non IGZO retina and updated cameras will be it.
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I doubt the mini to have retina now, but who knows.
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I certainly hope this WSJ report proves true. It makes a retina MacBook Air next year much more likely. That's probably what it'll take to get me to part with my aging but reliable MacBook.

And I wouldn't mind seeing the current iPad mini discounted, particularly in refurb. I have a full-sized iPad, so don't really need one, but a price cut would be tempting.
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Look, I know Apple isn't Samsung and doesn't just make and throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. But these announcements are getting be a yawn-inducing borefest, what with not a single surprise in the last few years. We haven't had a "And one more thing..." in years.

Predictable, and that means irrelevant at some point.

Something, anything...it's obvious the security imperative Cook set forth a year or so ago isn't sticking; the supply chain is as transparent as ever and everyone knows full well what's being announced days, even months, before an event.

Here's the chance, Apple. Surprise us. No, really, surprise us.
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Look, I know Apple isn't Samsung and doesn't just make and throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. But these announcements are getting be a yawn-inducing borefest, what with not a single surprise in the last few years. We haven't had a "And one more thing..." in years.

Predictable, and that means irrelevant at some point.

Something, anything...it's obvious the security imperative Cook set forth a year or so ago isn't sticking; the supply chain is as transparent as ever and everyone knows full well what's being announced days, even months, before an event.

Here's the chance, Apple. Surprise us. No, really, surprise us.

So you weren't surprised by the 64 bit A7, or the the new Mac Pro?
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That's a rather big venue for announcing a screen resolution upgrade.

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So you weren't surprised by the 64 bit A7, or the the new Mac Pro?

 

I was, but I don't think anyone's mom/grandmother was. The marketing department needs to do some work, not just engineering. 

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