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ipad doesn't need a keyboard.  If i want a tablet with keyboard, i would just buy an MBA.  I wish MBA can have a detachable keyboard like the asus transformer.

I agree. And I have both. I use the Air when I need a full computer, say coding, for example. However, the iPad covers many situations that don't involve heavy typing.

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post #82 of 114

Simple - 12" iPad. TS will be happy.

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post #83 of 114

In all those smirky Surface commercials where Siri says "No I do not have a keyboard", some little text shows at the bottom saying "keyboard sold separately". Well MS, I can buy a nice bluetooth clickety clack  keyboard case for my iPad separately as well. And those keyboards were available prior to your POS tablet ever came out.

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post #84 of 114
Sad day when Apple starts copying Microsoft six months after they hit the street with something! Have all the true innovators and visionaries at Apple moved on to more lucrative jobs?
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Sad day when Apple starts copying Microsoft six months after they hit the street with something! Have all the true innovators and visionaries at Apple moved on to more lucrative jobs?

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Sad day when Apple starts copying Microsoft six months after they hit the street with something! Have all the true innovators and visionaries at Apple moved on to more lucrative jobs?

 

I covered that already in the very first comment.

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The difference here is that Microsoft had to sell a keyboard with their product to make it even close to usable. This is because of the form factor of Windows (typically landscape orientation) coupled with the aspect ratio of the screen. The keyboard would take up 2/3 of the screen. That and traditional Windows programs still require a mouse. Sure you could touch the screen, but using a keyboard and mouse would make the tablet a computer, which Windows was designed for.

 

 

What nice backhanded spin.  This is like saying Apple "had to" make Macs easier to use than PCs because Apple customers are illiterate morons who don't know anything about computers.

 

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 I think if Apple came out with a keyboard, it would be them admitting defeat of some sort.  The iPad ought to stand on it's on (no pun intended) as the only thing you need to use it.

 

You mean like Apple's own iPad Keyboard Dock:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-Keyboard-Dock-Package/dp/B0040HEMP8

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Originally Posted by rednival View Post
I could see businesses pressuring Apple to come up with something like Microsoft's keyboard for the iPad.
 
How would said businesses pressure Apple?
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How would said businesses pressure Apple?

 

Tie Tim Cook to a chair and use thumb screws?

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post #90 of 114
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In all those smirky Surface commercials where Siri says "No I do not have a keyboard", some little text shows at the bottom saying "keyboard sold separately". Well MS, I can buy a nice bluetooth clickety clack  keyboard case for my iPad separately as well. And those keyboards were available prior to your POS tablet ever came out.
Not really the same though is it?

Apples statements about making the hardware if software are just as true when you extend it to making all the hardware. Sure a bluetooth keyboard works with an ipad but you have to pair the thing, its not as thin, it cant flip round the back like a smart cover and instantly disable itself.

Its the different between something that works and something thats been perfected.
post #91 of 114
I can't do too much typing on the iPad because my fingers just hit a glass screen as opposed to getting some kind of tactile feedback.

I do have a Bluetooth keyboard, but it doesn't integrate that well. I'd love it if Apple did release a keyboard smart cover.

However, instead of the keyboard just being flipped back when not in use (exposing the keys at the back), Apple should have a mechanism where the keyboard would slide back, rather than just turn back. That way, the keys will be against the iPad's back when not in use.

Of course, I don't expect them to release one, but it would be nice if they gave that option.
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Apple may be working on a new keyboard accessory for the iPad, one that would mimic the functionality of Microsoft's Touch Cover for its own Surface tablets, according to a new rumor.

Prior to Ryan's post, there was no indication that Apple may be planning to unveil a new keyboard accessory for its full-size iPad.

Such a move wouldn't be a shock, however, as keyboard accessories for the iPad, such as Logitech's Keyboard Folios or Belkin's Ultimate Keyboard Case, have proven popular. Apple also recently released a multitude of accessories for the iPhone 5s and 5c, including official cases and docks. That's a change from last year, when Apple did not offer an official case or dock for the iPhone 5.

uh, No, the Apple product wouldn't mimic the Microsoft Touch Cover - it will mimic the Logitech Follos or Belkin's Ultimate Keyboard Case, either of which preceded the Surface Touch Cover for a lot less money.
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post #93 of 114
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"A keyboard cover would probably sell very well, but I think it would damage Apple's image and vision for the iPad more than it would be worth."

Don't see why. Lot's of people have bought covers from Logitech and others in order to do heavier typing, writing, etc..

The difference is that the iPad is useful without the keyboard, which can easily be removed when it's not needed. The Surface? Not so much.

Actually, the Surface has a much better on-screen keyboard than the iPad, which is why the touch/type keyboard is optional. Microsoft simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard.

Microsoft's new touch and type keyboards are actually really nice - they are backlit too, but don't need any batteries since they get their power from the tablet.
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Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post

Actually, the Surface has a much better on-screen keyboard than the iPad, which is why the touch/type keyboard is optional. Microsoft simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard.

Microsoft's new touch and type keyboards are actually really nice - they are backlit too, but don't need any batteries since they get their power from the tablet.

Apple's physical keyboard for the iPad is much better than the flimsy ones offered by MS then means "[Apple] simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard." It's not as portable as what MS offers but your comment gave no such allowance.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post

uh, No, the Apple product wouldn't mimic the Microsoft Touch Cover - it will mimic the Logitech Follos or Belkin's Ultimate Keyboard Case, either of which preceded the Surface Touch Cover for a lot less money.

Nobody will be fully copying the new Microsoft Touch/Type keyboards for the following reasons -

1. They are backlit.
2. They don't need batteries since they get their power from the tablet.
3. The touch-keyboard also doubles as a giant gesture trackpad (that's why it has 1100 sensors in it).
4. The touch/type keyboards also incorporate a mouse pad which supports gestures. That's because they can be used in the desktop environment just like a MacBook Air.
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Apple's physical keyboard for the iPad is much better than the flimsy ones offered by MS then means "[Apple] simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard." It's not as portable as what MS offers but your comment gave no such allowance.

The original MS touch keyboards where flimsy. The new ones are not. So, let me fix your comment again -

"Microsoft simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard"
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I can't do too much typing on the iPad because my fingers just hit a glass screen as opposed to getting some kind of tactile feedback.

I do have a Bluetooth keyboard, but it doesn't integrate that well. I'd love it if Apple did release a keyboard smart cover.

However, instead of the keyboard just being flipped back when not in use (exposing the keys at the back), Apple should have a mechanism where the keyboard would slide back, rather than just turn back. That way, the keys will be against the iPad's back when not in use.

Of course, I don't expect them to release one, but it would be nice if they gave that option.

A simple solution is to do what Microsoft did - the touch/type keyboards can be attached upside down too, so that when you fold them back the keys are hidden. That said, it doesn't really matter, because the MS touch/type keyboards contain gyros and accelerometers so that they detect when they are folded behind so that the keys are not triggered by your fingers or by anything you may be resting on.
post #98 of 114
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Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post

The original MS touch keyboards where flimsy. The new ones are not. So, let me fix your comment again -

"Microsoft simply realises that people who need to type, want to do so on a proper physical keyboard"

They are considerably more flimsy and considerably worse keyboards to type on than what Apple offers iPad users.
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They are considerably more flimsy and considerably worse keyboards to type on than what Apple offers iPad users.

No they are not. I have used iPad keyboards and the new Surface Pro 2 type keyboard. There is nothing flimsy about the Surface Pro 2 type keyboard - it's actually an excellent keyboard.
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post

Simple - 12" iPad. TS will be happy.


VERY happy. Not gonna happen yet, but I would be so happy. So happy, in fact, that… I’d… wait for the 15” running OS XI.

 

Maybe. A larger iPad is a powerful draw.

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post #101 of 114
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No they are not. I have used iPad keyboards and the new Surface Pro 2 type keyboard. There is nothing flimsy about the Surface Pro 2 type keyboard - it's actually an excellent keyboard.

Nope. Apple's keyboard has a much better tactile feel and travel than either of the MS surface keyboards. It's crazy that you'd even think that you could lie to people by claiming that a physical touch keyboard is better than the one with good travel and resistance.
post #102 of 114
I hate to say this, because Apple constantly does these things I think they wont, but Apple's not going to do anything like the Surface keyboard unless they can do something revolutionary with it. Third parties already make great keyboards for the iPad. For Apple to be perceived as copying the Surface, which isn't even selling well, they had better blow the Surface out of the water.

How about a flexible dual screen extension with a virtual keyboard built in and maximize the iPad's screen space? So you can hold it like a book and read on both sides. Now that would make MS look like amateurs.
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I hate to say this, because Apple constantly does these things I think they wont, but Apple's not going to do anything like the Surface keyboard unless they can do something revolutionary with it. Third parties already make great keyboards for the iPad. For Apple to be perceived as copying the Surface, which isn't even selling well, they had better blow the Surface out of the water.

How about a flexible dual screen extension with a virtual keyboard built in, so you can hold it like a book and maximize the iPad's screen space? Now that would make MS look like amateurs.

That's not revolutionary either. Acer already did this with their Windows 7 laptop back in 2010 -

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/acer-iconia-dual-screen-tablet-is-actually-a-laptop-50001723/

And don't forget the Microsoft Courier concept -

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/microsoft-courier-ux-tablet-leaked-49303726/
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That's not revolutionary either. Acer already did this with their Windows 7 laptop back in 2010 -

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/acer-iconia-dual-screen-tablet-is-actually-a-laptop-50001723/

Right, nothing Apple does is game changing. The iPhone was just a touch screen phone that had existed for decades. The iPad was just a dumbed down version of a Win Tablet that existed for two previous decades. /s
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That's the difference between a rational and irrational person. An irrational person thinks that the difficult part is making a concept video when a rational person knows that it's how you take something from a concept to reality that is the real challenge which is why Courier never existed, and why Blackberry nee RiM execs didn't think the iPhone's UI performance could be real back in January 2007 when Steve Jobs demoed it.
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That's not revolutionary either.
One could argue, as I'm about to that Apple has never done anything original. Virtually all of their products already existed in some form long before Apple took them on. Even the Lisa/Macintosh was released as a commercial product by Xerox before Apple got around to it.

Arguably what Apple does is take a concept others have been fumbling with and streamline it, and make it a commercial reality, while making them a cultural icon along the way. Pointing to concepts is a waste of time, since the general public can't buy them, nor do they really function. And the Acer product is just clunky. Who would want that?

If Apple decided to do a dual screen concept, making the second screen a thin flexible cover (as I suggested) that magnetically attaches to the iPad would blow all of these predecessors and concepts out of the water, just like the iPad blew all those Microsoft tablets that preceeded it out of the water.

I was kidding about the cover since I don't think Apple could make something like that work elegantly yet, and thus would be resigned to duplicating efforts of Acer and MS. But I hope if they do this, they don't decide to go the 5c route and just offer the same thing MS did for the surface, without offering something inherently unique others have not contemplated.
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Simple - 12" iPad. TS will be happy.

Are you suggesting the rumors of a 60" iPad are untrue? B-b-but I already saw them being used on Fox News!

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I can't do too much typing on the iPad because my fingers just hit a glass screen as opposed to getting some kind of tactile feedback.

I do have a Bluetooth keyboard, but it doesn't integrate that well. I'd love it if Apple did release a keyboard smart cover.

However, instead of the keyboard just being flipped back when not in use (exposing the keys at the back), Apple should have a mechanism where the keyboard would slide back, rather than just turn back. That way, the keys will be against the iPad's back when not in use.

Of course, I don't expect them to release one, but it would be nice if they gave that option.

Watch for the "one more thing" at the end when Phil Schiller introduces SmartyPants,™ the only dungarees available with full-size QWERTY keys and numerical pad input.

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post #108 of 114
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Nope. Apple's keyboard has a much better tactile feel and travel than either of the MS surface keyboards. It's crazy that you'd even think that you could lie to people by claiming that a physical touch keyboard is better than the one with good travel and resistance.

When I've used a type cove I thought it felt just like a laptop keyboard or a mac keyboard. They have a decent amount of travel which is quite impressive for something so thin.

 

I've never had an issue with typing on screens though so I bought myself the touch cover version.

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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

When I've used a type cove I thought it felt just like a laptop keyboard or a mac keyboard. They have a decent amount of travel which is quite impressive for something so thin.

I've never had an issue with typing on screens though so I bought myself the touch cover version.

Sure, I've used the TypeCover and it's great, especially for something so thin, but WP7Mango was saying that both the touch and type varieties are both better than what Apple offers and he also implied that Apple doesn't think people want to type on their iPad and that MS is somehow more aware of usage needs despite the iPad being the winning tablet and all varieties of MS Surface failing to carve out a respectable niche market.

Even if were to only talk about the TypeCover it's still not as good as a keyboard as Apple's iPad dock keyboard. It's not as portable (in fact not at all designed to be portable) and therefore fails for what I would think would be an important aspect to an iPad keyboard, but his comment was not about portability or other features.
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Nope. Apple's keyboard has a much better tactile feel and travel than either of the MS surface keyboards. It's crazy that you'd even think that you could lie to people by claiming that a physical touch keyboard is better than the one with good travel and resistance.

I'm talking about the Type keyboard, not the Touch keyboard. The Type keyboard does have real physical travel in the keys.
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Originally Posted by WP7Mango View Post

I'm talking about the Type keyboard, not the Touch keyboard. The Type keyboard does have real physical travel in the keys.

I am clearly referring to that keyboard and saying Apple's keyboard for the iPad is a much better keyboard.
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 a physical touch keyboard
 

Not that clearly.

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Not that clearly.

In that context it made sense and you convneiently removed all aspects to the sentence as well as all my postes that specifically refer to TypeCover.
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Bit of a boring argument tbh, I make no pretence that I was doing anything other than being facetious.

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