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No entry level model

it looks like Apple does not want to really make many of these. If they had an entry level model many of my clients would be interested. As it is most of my film and video clients have moved to iMacs. this unit is fine if your making a nuclear bomb or want to crunch some serious 3D. too much for a still photographer or people just doing graphics.

From what i read on a few blogs several weeks ago the bench test speeds were not impressive. 10% faster than the fastest i7 chip set. Might as well buy a macMini w i7 chips and get more bang for your buck. I know I'll be selling these 3k Pros to my clients who make up the 1%, As for the 99% of us no more Mac Pros.

post #42 of 281

I am really sad that its out of my range. I have been waiting for it... but now with a heavy heart I am looking at the iMac and the new 15" MBP/r.

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``The base model of Apple's next-generation desktop features a 3.7-gigzhertz Intel Xeon E5 processor, 12 gigabytes of RAM, dual FirePro D300 GPUs with 2 gigabytes of video RAM each, and a 256 gigabyte solid state drive. ''

In short, the first usable workstation will be > $5k as you will need an external NAS system for storage [sure we can slap on a single External TBolt/USB3 drive but you won't].

Handicapped: GPGPUs.

The AMD FirePro D300 are entry level FirePro GPGPUs. Instead of up to 4GB each we get dual 2GB GPGPUs.

Apple builds a new design forcing people to go all external on storage and knee caps the workstation with 4GB max GPGPUs which are no where need what you want for performance.

Apple would have been better off starting at $4999 with Dual FirePro D600 [if that exists with a combined 8GB DDR5].

These machines are for real professionals who work in fields doing real-time modeling far beyond the already demanding fields of Computer Animation, Motional Picture industry, etc.

Apple has no answer for working in any field that requires applied physics on a level you need real-time analysis for CFD, FEA, Power Systems, etc.


Pretty can for the Home Pro.
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I'm curious as to the UK price.

 

According to UK Apple Store ,  Base Quad Core is £2499 and  six-core is £3299 - available December

post #45 of 281
Then there's DaVinci Resolve, built for CUDA with 3 external GPUs in our Cubix box. Even if BMD supports OpenCL, it may not beat a good 12-core.
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Both MATLAB and Cadence support OpenCL 

 

MATLAB only supports CUDA natively. There's third-party OpenCL support but it doesn't work with the built in toolboxes, so it's basically worthless.

 

I suspect there is now some serious incentive to rectify the lack of proper OpenCL support in MATLAB. 

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Waste of money, I could go on new egg and buy parts at half the price and build something more powerful.

 

2X as fast for the same money, NO WAY, a little cheaper for the same machine sure, but then it's a computer you built and isn't an Apple! A Xeon E5-2637 X4 3.5GHz is a little over a grand(the closest I could find to the 3.7GHZ Mac Pro), the graphic cards, probably 400 - 500 a piece, no reference yet but I'm thinking ATI  W5000 pricing and speed, 256GB SSD 250.00, 12GB EEC 150.00, decent Xeon motherboard 250.00 - 300.00, case and power supply 250.00 and your pretty close to the mark. So I would be very curious to see your 2X faster machine at half the price, especially with NewEgg pricing.

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post #48 of 281
I wonder how much faster the 3.7 GHz 4-core will be over the 2.7 GHz 12-core in applications which don't use more than 4 cores. The addition of on-board cache to processors with more cores adds some speed, but I'd like to see that comparison chart between the CPUs. Then people can better fit the right processor for their needs between 4 and 12, like fitting the right furnace to your size house, bigger can become less efficient, and thus not better.
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He makes a perfect valid comment just as one can grow their vegetables for less than half the price as it costs to buy a salad at a restaurant.

I wonder why he thinks everyone wants to build their PCs and want to only consider superficial specs that Newegg displays. Sure he can make some aspects faster but he's not seeing the big picture. He can't get same performance in all areas. But, hey, can get a cool clear case with neon in it from Newegg.

No he does not.  He's a one-post troll just being an idiot.  Sure I can grow my own vegetables at 1/2 the cost.  Oh wait, I got to factor in water, fertilizer, good weather, several weeks to grow it, and let's not forget my time I have to allocate to tend to the crop.  Oh, last night was freezing temperatures... I lost my crop.  Bug infestation?  Damn...

How's that "1/2 the cost" looking to ya?  Or maybe I just continue working, earning more income, and go to the supermarket/costco instead and be done with it?

That argument gets so old.  Thank you, but I'm done building rigs, with components from multiple vendors, hoping all the drivers for those pieces behave nicely, and of course NOT running OSX.

No... stupid comments from idiots like him are usually reserved for people that have way too much time on their hands, probably have dinner being served to them by mommy, don't pay rent, and do not have a social life outside of WoW parties.

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What cost $2638 in 1978 would cost $9,462.69 in 2012.
 

I agree. My first Mac was in 1985 and I've had several since then. I tend to buy as well-configured as I can, initially, hoping that it will last me longer. And luckily that has been the case to date, with a replacement part or two.

 

But I figure, allowing for inflation, that I've spent $5 grand, current money, or more, for every Mac I've ever owned, including the monitor.

 

So $3 grand for a powerhouse, plus a grand for good Apple monitor, and another grand for a big Thunderbolt RAID drive, sounds like a deal to me.

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Waste of money, I could go on new egg and buy parts at half the price and build something more powerful.

 

so not true.  The 2 GPU's alone are over $1000

post #52 of 281
I like it. I never had a Xeon before, but I'm looking for a powerful Mac desktop without display, so for me is either the Mac Pro or a Hackintosh. I like this Mac Pro, the only thing I dislike is the entry model being quad core. If I enter Xeon, I'd like to have at least 6 cores, so that my investment lasts more years. But the jump to 6 cores is $1000 more, and that pricing becomes too hard for me.

Also, as others said, I also prefer NVIDIA, but I understand Apple got a very good deal with AMD, maybe even getting two GPUs for the price of one.

Ah, and I don't care about not getting a display (I already have a 32 inch monitor), not getting a keyboard (have one of those great white ones from my defunct G5 iMac) nor mouse (have a Magic Trackpad). So I'm fine with the package as it is.
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I suspect there is now some serious incentive to rectify the lack of proper OpenCL support in MATLAB. 

 

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Both MATLAB and Cadence support OpenCL but CUDA is a lot more mature. Give it time, if these new Mac's take off so will OpenCL. I still prefer CUDA though, as a programmer, there are a whole lot more code examples out there for CUDA over OpenCL. 

 

True. I think lack of proper OpenCL is a major shortcoming. Although CUDA is more mature and you can get lots of things done with it... I still wish there was CUDA option for the MAC PRO. I would have bought it for my work...

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I wonder how much faster the 3.7 GHz 4-core will be over the 2.7 GHz 12-core in applications which don't use more than 4 cores. The addition of on-board cache to processors with more cores adds some speed, but I'd like to see that comparison chart between the CPUs. Then people can better fit the right processor for their needs between 4 and 12, like fitting the right furnace to your size house, bigger can become less efficient, and thus not better.

 

 

Here is a list of XEON CPU's, I don't see the 3.7Ghz one, the performance should be fairly close to the Xeon E5-2637 v2 though.  Anyway, here is a performance chart to go with them. It will give you some idea. The CPU that most interests me is the Xeon E5-2650 v2, price, performance, power ration is off the charts.

Model Cores Frequency L3 cache TDP Pre-order price
Xeon E5-2603 v2 4 1.8 GHz 10 MB 80 Watt $231.62
Xeon E5-2609 v2 4 2.5 GHz 10 MB 80 Watt $337.03
Xeon E5-2620 v2 6 2.1 GHz 15 MB 80 Watt $464.48
Xeon E5-2630 v2 6 2.6 GHz 15 MB 80 Watt  
Xeon E5-2630L v2 6 2.4 GHz 15 MB   $701.01
Xeon E5-2637 v2 4 3.5 GHz 15 MB   $1140.99
Xeon E5-2640 v2 8 2 GHz 20 MB 95 Watt $1013.54
Xeon E5-2643 v2 6 3.5 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt  
Xeon E5-2650 v2 8 2.6 GHz 20 MB 95 Watt $1335.85
Xeon E5-2650L v2 10 1.7 GHz 25 MB 70 Watt $1395.91
Xeon E5-2660 v2 10 2.2 GHz 25 MB 95 Watt $1590.78
Xeon E5-2667 v2 8 3.3 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt $2320.64
Xeon E5-2670 v2 10 2.5 GHz 25 MB 115 Watt  
Xeon E5-2680 v2 10 2.8 GHz 25 MB 115 Watt $1943.93
Xeon E5-2687W v2 8 3.4 GHz 20 MB 150 Watt $2414.35
Xeon E5-2690 v2 10 3 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt $2355.52
Xeon E5-2695 v2 12 2.4 GHz 30 MB 115 Watt $2675.39
Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 2.7 GHz 30 MB 130 Watt $2949.69

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But the jump to 6 cores is $1000 more, and that pricing becomes too hard for me.

 

One of the biggest set backs the MacPro's has for me is the lack of a multi-CPU system. I suspect, if the MacPro's do well and with an entry price of 3,000 I don't see why they shouldn't, Apple will probably introduce a multi-CPU version in the next update. So your situation of not being able to justify the price for the faster system would become mute as you would be able to update it later with an additional CPU. Now though, you have to buy the fastest you can afford as there is no upgrade path. 

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I am a bit surprised that Apple went with ATI. The CUDA by NVIDIA is more accepted in the industry. For PRO users that is an important point...

OpenCL

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One of the biggest set backs the MacPro's has for me is the lack of a multi-CPU system. I suspect, if the MacPro's do well and with an entry price of 3,000 I don't see why they shouldn't, Apple will probably introduce a multi-CPU version in the next update. So your situation of not being able to justify the price for the faster system would become mute as you would be able to update it later with an additional CPU. Now though, you have to buy the fastest you can afford as there is no upgrade path. 

Where would they put a second CPU, heat sink, fan, and associated interconnects in that chassis? That's it! You get one powerful CPU that is 4, 6, 12, and possibly 8 or 10-cores depending on configuration options.
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Here is a list of XEON CPU's, I don't see the 3.7Ghz one, the performance should be fairly close to the Xeon E5-2637 v2 though.  Anyway, here is a performance chart to go with them. It will give you some idea. The CPU that most interests me is the Xeon E5-2650 v2, price, performance, power ration is off the charts.

Model Cores Frequency L3 cache TDP Pre-order price
Xeon E5-2603 v2 4 1.8 GHz 10 MB 80 Watt $231.62
Xeon E5-2609 v2 4 2.5 GHz 10 MB 80 Watt $337.03
Xeon E5-2620 v2 6 2.1 GHz 15 MB 80 Watt $464.48
Xeon E5-2630 v2 6 2.6 GHz 15 MB 80 Watt  
Xeon E5-2630L v2 6 2.4 GHz 15 MB   $701.01
Xeon E5-2637 v2 4 3.5 GHz 15 MB   $1140.99
Xeon E5-2640 v2 8 2 GHz 20 MB 95 Watt $1013.54
Xeon E5-2643 v2 6 3.5 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt  
Xeon E5-2650 v2 8 2.6 GHz 20 MB 95 Watt $1335.85
Xeon E5-2650L v2 10 1.7 GHz 25 MB 70 Watt $1395.91
Xeon E5-2660 v2 10 2.2 GHz 25 MB 95 Watt $1590.78
Xeon E5-2667 v2 8 3.3 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt $2320.64
Xeon E5-2670 v2 10 2.5 GHz 25 MB 115 Watt  
Xeon E5-2680 v2 10 2.8 GHz 25 MB 115 Watt $1943.93
Xeon E5-2687W v2 8 3.4 GHz 20 MB 150 Watt $2414.35
Xeon E5-2690 v2 10 3 GHz 25 MB 130 Watt $2355.52
Xeon E5-2695 v2 12 2.4 GHz 30 MB 115 Watt $2675.39
Xeon E5-2697 v2 12 2.7 GHz 30 MB 130 Watt $2949.69

 


But that chart shows all cores running when comparing the 4 core to the 12 core. I'd like to see a comparison of the 4 cores at 3.7 GHz (or 3.5 GHz) being compared to only 4 of 12 cores running on the 12-core processor at 2.7 GHz. Not all software can use 12 cores. For some software, the cheaper 4 core or 6 core is likely faster than the expensive 12 core.
I want the Mac Pro for the super fast Drives, Ram, BUS, etc., not because I can use 12 cores. My SSD and Ram is my current bottleneck in the Macbook Pro, the 4 core i7 waits for them. I plan to max out the MacPro drives at 1 TB and then put them in RAID 10 for speed, (depending on how many separate modules they give you to make 1 TB.)
Edited by fixmdude - 10/22/13 at 2:00pm
post #59 of 281

*grabby hands*

 

That pricing is nowhere near as bad as I was expecting, I just want to see the configuration options now :)

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Only 256 gb to 1 TB drive, I was hoping 1/2 TB to 3 Tb.
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In short, the first usable workstation will be > $5k as you will need an external NAS system for storage [sure we can slap on a single External TBolt/USB3 drive but you won't].

It depends on how much storage is needed. With an enclosure like:

http://www.amazon.com/Mobius-trade-5-Bay-FireWire-Enclosure/dp/B00CH94GMK/

you can get 4x 3TB drives for ~$100 each so say $650 for 12TB. If that's all that's needed along with the entry model, it's $3,650. There are even cheaper enclosures too:

http://www.amazon.com/Sans-Digital-External-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B005JW6VXY
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Handicapped: GPGPUs.

The AMD FirePro D300 are entry level FirePro GPGPUs. Instead of up to 4GB each we get dual 2GB GPGPUs.

Apple builds a new design forcing people to go all external on storage and knee caps the workstation with 4GB max GPGPUs which are no where need what you want for performance.

They go up to dual 6GB D700 GPUs. The spec page is here:

http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/

The model numbers don't match with anything from AMD as they aren't off-the-shelf GPUs. The entry CPU appears to be the E5-1620v2:

http://ark.intel.com/products/75779/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v2-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz

The D300 is 2GB, 1280 SP, 256-bit, 160GB/s, 2TFlops = V7900 ( http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati-firepro-3d/v7900/Pages/v7900.aspx = $629 each on newegg )
D500 is 3GB, 1526 SP, 384-bit, 240GB/s, 2.2TFlops = roughly half an S10000? ( http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/firepro-remote-graphics/S10000/Pages/S10000.aspx#3 )
D700 is 6GB, 2048 SP, 384-bit, 264GB/s, 3.5TFlops = S9000/W9000 ( http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/firepro-remote-graphics/S9000/Pages/S9000.aspx#3 = $2199 S9000, $3399 W9000)

This would be quite good if the D300 was the V7900 as that's higher than the W5000 in some tests:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,3425-8.html

Cumulative shows them about even:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/workstation-graphics-card-gaming,3425-14.html

The W5000 seems faster for compute though ( http://compubench.com ). Still, there's two of them so it should still be good value.

It's probably the worst deal for people working with audio as the GPUs don't do much good but at least they can drive 4K displays and run quiet.
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In short, the first usable workstation will be > $5k as you will need an external NAS system for storage [sure we can slap on a single External TBolt/USB3 drive but you won't].

 

It's always been the better and cheaper option to have a large centralized storage for multiple workstations.  Especially when you factor in redundancy and off-site backups.

 

Handicapped: GPGPUs.

The AMD FirePro D300 are entry level FirePro GPGPUs. Instead of up to 4GB each we get dual 2GB GPGPUs.

 

Graphics pros and video editors will opt for the dual D700 (configurable upgrade), audio engineers and similar pros don't need it.  Different configurations for different pros.

 

These machines are for real professionals who work in fields doing real-time modeling far beyond the already demanding fields of Computer Animation, Motional Picture industry, etc.

 

Because no other professions where a differently configured Mac Pro is preferred exist?

 

Apple has no answer for working in any field that requires applied physics on a level you need real-time analysis for CFD, FEA, Power Systems, etc.

 

Has the software used in those fields ever been ported to OS X before?  Apple tends to design their pro machines in close contact with major software manufacturers in a given field.

 
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They got my hopes up higher than they probably should have been by starting off the keynote with all the FREE stuff and then the price cuts on the MacBooks. I am a little disappointed at the price point. I was hoping for the same price points as the current set. However, I'm not TOO disappointed. Given the tech I think it's a good price. Count me in.

 

Of course, the manager at our local Apple store has given me a sweetheart deal! For those of you who know me, and remember...my 2006 Mac Pro died in August causing me great angst, as I had been waiting for the new Mac Pro to upgrade. When mine died, I begrudgingly went into the Apple store to replace...whining the whole time.

 

The manager heard my grieving and said if I would by the current Mac Pro...he would swap it out for the new one when it was released. All I had to do was make up any price difference!!! I went back in the store this afternoon, just to make sure the deal was set in stone (and ask a few technical questions about the new setup). It's a done deal and I have it in writing. He basically gave me a loaner system for 6 months...free of charge!

 

Apple is AWESOME!!!!

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Anybody know the quad Xeon chip that is being used for the entry MacPro?


It's probably a six-core that didn't pass QA. ;-)

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That and the box isn’t big enough to hold either. :p

 

I'm surprised it comes in a square box. I'd love to have seen it packaged in a cardboard tube, that'd have been quite neat.

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No one is talking about channel bonding.

Very significant tidbit they dropped there
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So it supports up to 3x 4K displays, so where is the 4K Cinema Display?!?!

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too much for a still photographer or people just doing graphics.

Those people need to charge more for their services so they can afford nice things.

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So it supports up to 3x 4K displays, so where is the 4K Cinema Display?!?!

They are traditionally late with their own display updates but there are plenty of 4K display options to choose from.
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Audience seemed very underwhelmed, but I thought $3k was a good price, although I don't shop in that market. 


Nobody cares.  They were there to see shiny iToys.

 

Of course, they didn't exactly bring down the roof for those either.

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I still say it’s a dalek. Especially when they do one of those disassembly views.

 

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No one is talking about channel bonding.

Very significant tidbit they dropped there

WTF is channel bonding?

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This is kind of upsetting. Doesn’t even come with ANYTHING anymore?


At $3000 it is a rip off! I really see no other way to look at it. I really though Apple wanted to rescue the model from the dumpster, they had a new design that certainly could have done that. Instead they price the entry level model so high it will never have the volume to justify keeping the machine around.
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At $3000 it is a rip off!

 

I’m not so sure about that.

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The price for the entry level  machine was pretty much what I was expecting. However the 256GB storage was disappointing. Once they list the pricing on configuring your own it'll be interesting to see what the cost of upgrading to 512GB will be. The other disappointment was that it won't be available until December rather than November as was rumored. And December probably means in limited numbers so January will probably be closer to the actual date for all but a lucky few who get their order in as soon as it's possible. 

 

But overall it still looks like a buy.

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Audience seemed very underwhelmed, but I thought $3k was a good price, although I don't shop in that market. 

Wouldn't you be disappointed with the pricing announced for an entry level machine? Especially considering how close Apple was to dumping the Mac Pro for good due to poor sales. This isn't an invitation to volume sales at all, it is more of an insult to users with a bit of technical know how. Mind you the Mac Pro comes with a power cord, that is it.

By the way I'm not saying the hardware isn't worth it in this model, frankly I haven't even looked closely. What I'm saying is that Apple needs a model that can sell in volume to assure the mac Pros future. A desktop machine that starts at $3000 is just stupid.
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At $3000 it is a rip off! I really see no other way to look at it.

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How so? Even before you consider quality, when you price the major components there is a huge amount of that revenue going back to a handful of vendors.
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Pretty can for the Home Pro.

Here is the problem, it is priced out of the range of the Home Pro or even commercial users on a budget. It is pretty obvious that the audience was underwhelmed with the pricing and for good reason, the machine is basically a rip off. This machine will only feed the downward spiral that the Mac Pro has been in for some time.
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I will be keen to see how Apple sorted thermals/cooling on this machine. Especially for high end SKUs.

Haswell or not, 12 cores on 3.7GHz and dual D700 graphics, on their own, should be releasing some respectable heat. By the design of the case, I'd expect a huge fan (diameter of the case itself) pushing air through the whole enclosure, or even two of them - one sucking air in at the bottom of the case, on pulling out at the top... But I'm thinking, IBM server with comparable hardware (2x 6-core Xeons etc) has enough fans inside to fill new Mac Pro's enclosure full.

Average server we deal with nowadays does have more storage, more RAM and redundant power, but no dual graphics... I'd expect that power consumption is not much off. Do we know power supply specs of new Mac Pro? As example, new IBM x3650 M4 comes with dual 550W power, but this is for redundancy - server will operate with single power supply.

Granted, 2U server in rackmount chassis is designed to work 24x7, but pro graphics workstation is also expected to work under full load for hours when rendering... and more often in less favourable environment than server, which is expected to be running in cooled server room.

Additional question - can you plug 2nd SSD in there? Even if data is sitting on NAS/SAN, I'd prefer to have system installed on redundant storage. I'd personally rather go for dual 256GB in RAID1 (with all data on external redundant storage) than for one 1TB SSD.
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. . . I don't see the 3.7Ghz one, the performance should be fairly close to the Xeon E5-2637 v2 though. 

 

With respect to the newly announced Mac Pro

 

- An Intel Xeon E5 processor running at 3.7GHz is likely an Intel Xeon E5-1620 v2.  Released last month, you can get the CPU for $300 retail http://ark.intel.com/products/75779/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v2-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz?q=Intel%20Xeon%20E5-1620%20v2

 

- The FirePro D300 is probably based off the Tahiti core which makes it equilvalent to the Radeon HD 7800 series of GPUs released back in late 2012.  You can get a pair of Radeon HD 7870 XT for less than $500.

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1860/radeon-hd-7870-xt.html

http://shop.amd.com/us/Dealer/Amazon-US/Detail/GraphicCard/FX-787A-CNFC?SearchFacets=category%3AGraphic%20Card&SearchTerms=7***

 

- 12 GB of RAM will cost you less than $200

 

these components alone total $1000 plus applicable taxes.  the extra $2000, for the base model, is probably something Apple can justify.

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