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Apple released an all-new, completely redesigned iPad on Tuesday, dubbed the iPad Air, alongside the much-anticipated Retina iPad mini, which now features a pixel count identical to the full-size model.

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Apple's new iPad Air. | Photos: Daniel Eran Dilger


Apple is now calling its flagship 9.7-inch iPad the "iPad Air," playing off the tablet's extremely thin-and-light form factor. With narrow side bezels and rounded edges, mirroring the looks of the iPad mini, the new iPad is 20 percent thinner and 28 percent lighter than its predecessor.

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At just 7.5 millimeters thick and weighing in at one pound, Apple claims the iPad Air is the lightest full-size tablet in the world. Powering the iPad Air is the same A7 system-on-chip that debuted with the iPhone 5s, boasting a doubling in graphics and CPU performance over the last generation model. Like the 5s, the iPad Air also features Apple's new M7 motion coprocessor, which helps apps keep track of a user's movements.

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Updated Smart Covers and Smart Cases were also introduced today, though not much has changed from previous versions aside from new colors.

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The new Retina iPad mini carries over the same design as the first-generation model, but adds a high-resolution display that squeezes in the same number of pixels as the iPad Air, yielding an extremely high pixel density. Like the full-size iPad, the mini touts an A7 processor that boosts graphics by eight times compared to the original version.

Apple's iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina display also received upgraded FaceTime HD cameras with backside illuminated sensors and larger pixels, much like the iPhone 5s. In front is a 5MP iSight camera for FaceTime calls.

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The iPad Air will be available from Apple's Online Store and brick-and-mortar outlets on Nov. 1, while the Retina iPad mini is expected to launch later that month.
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The new naming convention sets us up for a 12-inch? "iPad Pro" next year.

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I like the fact there are no compromise for the mini, even if that came with a bigger price. I am sure Apple will take care of the low end later on, maybe with mini's with plastic shells next year.

The only thing I was hoping is they would reduce old mini's a bit more, to $250. On the other hand they are protecting there margins across all devices. On the plus side, it doesnt matter what device you buy, Apple will have good margins on all.

I dont see how they will sell ipad 2 at $400 when the retina mini with an A7 sells for the same price. The mini is such a better device for the same price.
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In front is a 5MP iSight camera for FaceTime calls.

1.2MP for FaceTime- 5MP for back.

 
Powering the tablet is the A7 system-on-chip that debuted with the iPhone 5s, boasting a doubling in graphics and CPU performance over the last generation model. Like the 5s, the iPad Air also features the M7 motion coprocessor.
 

The Mini also has the M7- not just the Air

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The new naming convention sets us up for a 12-inch? "iPad Pro" next year.

 

I was thinking that too has soon has I heard the new name... ipad pro will come later on

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Big apple fan here. Slightly disappointed today, I think Apple really has to up their game a bit. Clearly these devices are meant to improve margins, not advance much technically. Not even Touch ID in the iPads.

The Apple I knew would have surprised us tonight. I feel slightly bored instead.

And I own both Apple shares, and consider myself a huge fan of the company. I just wish they would step on it a bit more.
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I like the fact there are no compromise for the mini, even if that came with a bigger price.
I am sure Apple will take care of the low end later on, maybe with mini's with plastic shells next year.
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Yes I'm very happy Apple decided to give the full size and mini the same specs. I'll take a price increase over no retina or older tech.
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I find it strange that they claim that A7 has double GPU performance compared to A6X.

It is known that A6X (76.8 GFLOPS) has roughly double GPU performance over A6
A7 was also claimed to have double GPU performance over A6.

This makes A7 GPU roughly equal to A6X GPU.
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Yes I'm very happy Apple decided to give the full size and mini the same specs. I'll take a price increase over no retina or older tech.

 

Maybe they could have done the mini w/retina and a A6 for $329. But retina + A7 is worth a price hike imo. The mini gets one hell of an upgrade from the old version.  

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Big apple fan here. Slightly disappointed today, I think Apple really has to up their game a bit. Clearly these devices are meant to improve margins, not advance much technically. Not even Touch ID in the iPads.

The Apple I knew would have surprised us tonight. I feel slightly bored instead.

And I own both Apple shares, and consider myself a huge fan of the company. I just wish they would step on it a bit more.
What surprised between the 3 and 3GS? Was iPad 2 a major revolution over iPad 1? It's quite possible there's no touch id in the iPad because of supply constraints. Heck it still takes 2-3 weeks or longer to get an iPhone. I'm sure from Apple's perspective getting 64-bit in a device where the weight and thickness was reduced an still get 10 battery life is a big deal. Might not be revolutionary but I know I'm looking forward to my 1 pound iPad. 1smile.gif
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Maybe they could have done the mini w/retina and a A6 for $329. But retina + A7 is worth a price hike imo. The mini gets one hell of an upgrade from the old version.  

I agree with you and Rogi completely (what's new?)

I said this in another thread:

 

We went from an iPad 2 A5 --> iPad 3 A5 Retina --> iPad 4 A6 Retina --> iPad Air A7 Retina- all at $499

So we're essentially jumping from an iPad 2 specs to a iPad Air specs- bypassing the iPad 3 and 4.  This is unprecedented- and $70 is a worthy upgrade from what we were getting last week at $329.

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Interesting how the new form factor creates an optical illusion making the iPad look 16:9 if you looks quickly at the third picture from the top. 

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Interesting that some of us are disappointed by the absence of TouchID (counting myself). Interesting that something we survived without and barely knew about 2 months ago is something we feel we can't live without.

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I find it strange that they claim that A7 has double GPU performance compared to A6X.

It is known that A6X (76.8 GFLOPS) has roughly double GPU performance over A6
A7 was also claimed to have double GPU performance over A6.

This makes A7 GPU roughly equal to A6X GPU.

 

I saw a benchmark with the A7 and the A6X with offscreen 1080p test of 3Dmarks.  The A7 was 30% faster.  I could imagine that with 64 bits games, the A7 could be 100% faster.

 

Here is the CPU benchmark

http://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks

 

This is not the GPU test I saw but its good anyway: compare the offscreen blue bars


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I can't wait until my 6 grand comes in cause I'm buying the 32 gig mini with retina and the goddamn iPad air with 128 memory. I don't care . You live once.
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Maybe they could have done the mini w/retina and a A6 for $329. But retina + A7 is worth a price hike imo. The mini gets one hell of an upgrade from the old version.  
Yep I was one who argued the mini shouldn't be gimped. I'm glad Apple didn't do it. Of course in an ideal world it would have been awesome to get a retina mini at the same price as the non retina, but giving it the same specs as the full size iPad helps.
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My advice - buy a WIFI only as the carriers will burn out your SIM card if inactive for awhile and render it useless unless you buy a new card with a plan. My Verizon iPad has been downgraded by Verizon by their new SIM card destruction policy.
 
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post #18 of 82
iPad 2 for the same 399 it's been selling at for a year now? That's ridiculous. It'll keep the margins up for eBay sellers though, so I guess there is a silver lining.
post #19 of 82

Next up... Samsung's Galaxy "Air" line... by end of next week.

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I own an iPad 3 and planned to buy the iPad 5. I am disappointed in the changes, but I have committed to sell the 3 so its' to late to change my mind. Otherwise, I would wait for the next version.
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These new iPads are incredible. Just wondering where Apple goes form here with them. Making them much lighter or smaller would almost make them feel flimsy. They're pretty much at the perfect size and weight.

Also, the internals are just incredible. I don't really see much of a point in upgrading the processor or RAM.

Any ideas on where Apple could go?
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These new iPads are incredible. Just wondering where Apple goes form here with them. Making them much lighter or smaller would almost make them feel flimsy. They're pretty much at the perfect size and weight.

Also, the internals are just incredible. I don't really see much of a point in upgrading the processor or RAM.

Any ideas on where Apple could go?


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post #23 of 82

Did Tim Cook announce that they sold the 170 millionth iPad some time earlier in Oct? That would mean they sold ~14M iPads in the last quarter?

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Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic FUDmonger - Tallest Skil
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post #25 of 82

Duhhh they are going to go the MSFT route next… just you wait...

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While I'm happy to see Apple put the latest processor and graphics in the new mini I think it is obscene that this fifth generation device that is built to handle robust apps (as opposed to focused iPhone apps) is still being offered with a base 16 GB of storage. With Apple's cost on flash memory being as good as it is - it is time for them get real with their storage options - iPhone should just be one version, 64 GB across the board, in the various colors and iPad should be 64, 128 and 256 (given what Apple is charging for the storage upgrades). While to competition is just plain stupid about memory/storage (at least usually) I expect Apple to do better.
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These new iPads are incredible. Just wondering where Apple goes form here with them. Making them much lighter or smaller would almost make them feel flimsy. They're pretty much at the perfect size and weight.

Also, the internals are just incredible. I don't really see much of a point in upgrading the processor or RAM.

Any ideas on where Apple could go?

Outside of touch id, AC, camera, ram, processor- not much. We'll have to wait until the iPhone 6 to see what technologies the iPad air 3 would hold.

Could you see an A8, 8mp, touch id, AC, w/ 2gb ram and 32gb next year for $499- all running iOS 8? I could.

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post #28 of 82
Sorta noticed now it is $200 for 4 inch (downgraded) $300 for 4 inch upgraded, $300 for 7.9 inch downgraded, $400 for 7.9 inch upgraded, $500 for 9.7 inch, to bad we still don't see $150 for 3.5 inch, then we can see apple covering screen sizes like Samsung does especially if 12 inch comes at $700ish.
post #29 of 82
Watching some of the hands on reviews I must say the Air makes the Surface look awfully big and bulky by comparison. Sure it has a keyboard cover but is it something you'd want to curl up in bed with? No way.
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Did Tim Cook announce that they sold the 170 millionth iPad some time earlier in Oct? That would mean they sold ~14M iPads in the last quarter?

 

14 million? That strikes me as very low. Hmmmmm...

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Interesting that some of us are disappointed by the absence of TouchID (counting myself). Interesting that something we survived without and barely knew about 2 months ago is something we feel we can't live without.

True that
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Next up... Samsung's Galaxy "Air" line... by end of next week.

 

They'll call it the Galaxy Ria.

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Did Tim Cook announce that they sold the 170 millionth iPad some time earlier in Oct? That would mean they sold ~14M iPads in the last quarter?

Pretty shrewd observation. Where are u getting your numbers?
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Originally Posted by hydr View Post
Big apple fan here. Slightly disappointed today, I think Apple really has to up their game a bit. Clearly these devices are meant to improve margins, not advance much technically. Not even Touch ID in the iPads.

The Apple I knew would have surprised us tonight. I feel slightly bored instead.

And I own both Apple shares, and consider myself a huge fan of the company. I just wish they would step on it a bit more.

 

Blah blah blah.

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post #35 of 82
Awesome new iPads. Yeah Apple! Glad there is now a smart case for the iPad mini, but why discontinue the far lower cost polyurethane smart case for iPad? The leather version not only costs more, but it is heavier and doesn't wear as well or clean as easily. Doesn't make sense to me.
post #36 of 82
Without all of their newest hardware, there's no way I'm buying one. No Touch ID or AC wifi? No thanks. Just like the first mini with no retina display. It's a great form factor, now they just need to add the bells and whistles and I'm in.
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Buying both mini and air ....
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Some people really crack me up. They complained that the iPad 3/4 was too thick and too heavy. So Apple releases a new iPad that is incredibly thin and light and they complain becaus battery life stayed the same. Good god people, do you expect Apple to work miracles? I mean there were a lot of people who thought the mini wouldn't get retina because of battery life. To me the fact Apple was able to make the iPad super thin and light plus add 64 bit A7 and keep battery life at ~10 hours is amazing. It's ovbious Apple wants the iPad hardware in many ways to just disappear. Something the new Nokia tablet with keyboard cover doesn't do.

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the air was more then i expected, i like the name too, I'm surprised only one person mentioned that the mini now comes in 128 gb fashion, i know some people were speculating a split like the iPhone 5s and 5c. I was hoping to see more colors in the mini, but I guess not. I will probably get an air as I like to watch a lot of videos, but the mini is enticing to say the least. what do you think for announcements though, will they just post something saying black Friday you can get retina mini or something, I'm not used to see something without having it be available shortly after.

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I suspect the lack of Touch ID is probably due to difficulties in sourcing enough sensors for the entire iPad line as well as the iPad 5S. We might see it next year once production starts to pick up though.

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