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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post

Didn't know about this Kindle Fire HDX before, thanks for the tip! Is has 2x the CPU power these A7 iPads have, and a better resolution than Retina, and a 8MP camera as well. And it's lighter on the wallet than iPad Air / iPad Mini Retina.

LOL, gonna pick one Fire HDX up really soon!

 

Have fun with your Fire HDX, but you should maybe check out the facts - not sure where you got yours.

 

iPad Mini - 64bit dual-core A7

Fire HDX - quad-core snapdragon (quad cores, but less performance) http://gigaom.com/2013/09/19/tests-show-iphone-5s-a7-chip-is-dual-core-still-beats-quad-core-android-competitors/

 

iPad Mini - Resolution - 2048 x 1536 (324 pixels per inch)

Fire HDX - Resolution - 1920 x 1200 (323 pixels per inch)

 

iPad Mini - Camera - 5MP rear-facing / 1.2MP front-facing

Fire HDX - Camera - NO rear-facing camera / 1.2MP front-facing

 

http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2013/10/ipadminicomparison_chart-100065705-large.png

 

Not that specs are generally any indicator of performance, as Apple has proven over, and over, and over again.

post #82 of 137
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post

Haha, it's cheaper than these Retina iPads, that's for sure. It also have 2x the CPU cores A7 devices have, and 2x the RAM, and much more Megahertz. Gonna have fun with my cheap but fast and wonderful Kindle Fire HDX when it comes out, that's for sure. 1smile.gif

He whips out the spec list. So much for how it all works together.
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Too bad there's not that much software you can get for iOS or OS X. Unless you of course count those fart apps as real programs. Love my cheap and fast quad-core SLI GPU Lenovo laptop BTW w/ Windows.

Now you're just trolling.
post #83 of 137
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Haha, it's cheaper than these Retina iPads, that's for sure. It also have 2x the CPU cores A7 devices have, and 2x the RAM, and much more Megahertz. Gonna have fun with my cheap but fast and wonderful Kindle Fire HDX when it comes out, that's for sure. 1smile.gif

Yet the A7 still does it's job more than 2x better...
post #84 of 137
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Originally Posted by iaeen View Post
 
 
Yet the A7 still does it's job more than 2x better...

 

If you go and look how bad A7 performs in e.g. physics calculations versus that quad-core Snapdragon, you'll see the light of truth... I remember the times when Atari Jaguar came out and it was the first 64bit games console out there. Too bad others were miles ahead even with 32 bits...

post #85 of 137
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Have fun with your Fire HDX, but you should maybe check out the facts - not sure where you got yours.

 

iPad Mini - Resolution - 2048 x 1536 (324 pixels per inch)

Fire HDX - Resolution - 1920 x 1200 (323 pixels per inch)

 

iPad Mini - Camera - 5MP rear-facing / 1.2MP front-facing

Fire HDX - Camera - NO rear-facing camera / 1.2MP front-facing

 

http://images.techhive.com/images/article/2013/10/ipadminicomparison_chart-100065705-large.png

 

Not that specs are generally any indicator of performance, as Apple has proven over, and over, and over again.

 

why not read the real Fire HDX 8.9" specs?

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B00DOPNLJ0/?tag=reality

 

Screen - 2560x1600

Cameras - 8MP rear, 720p front

 

... and it's still cheaper than iPad Mini Retina

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post #86 of 137
The paperback novel I buy from them is even lighter and cheaper. What's Amazon's point?
post #87 of 137
Actually the Fire HDX has lower weight per area than the iPad air does. So this ad is pretty much justified.
post #88 of 137
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post

If you go and look how bad A7 performs in e.g. physics calculations versus that quad-core Snapdragon, you'll see the light of truth... I remember the times when Atari Jaguar came out and it was the first 64bit games console out there. Too bad others were miles ahead even with 32 bits...

Source?
post #89 of 137
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Originally Posted by Semester View Post

Actually the Fire HDX has lower weight per area than the iPad air does. So this ad is pretty much justified.


Late to the party aren't you.  I already covered that.  By the way, where are your figures to back that up or did you just read mine.


Edited by icoco3 - 10/23/13 at 11:11am
post #90 of 137
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post

Didn't know about this Kindle Fire HDX before, thanks for the tip! Is has 2x the CPU power these A7 iPads have, and a better resolution than Retina, and a 8MP camera as well. And it's lighter on the wallet than iPad Air / iPad Mini Retina.

LOL, gonna pick one Fire HDX up really soon!

 

Ye gods that was funny.  Thanks, I needed that laugh...

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post #91 of 137
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post
 

 

Hello mr. Troll, why not read the real Fire HDX 8.9" specs?

 

http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B00DOPNLJ0/?tag=reality

 

Screen - 2560x1600

Cameras - 8MP rear, 720p front

 

... and it's still cheaper than iPad Mini Retina

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The mini compares with the 7.0" version of the HDX so the facts were stated correctly.

post #92 of 137
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Originally Posted by Semester View Post

Actually the Fire HDX has lower weight per area than the iPad air does. So this ad is pretty much justified.

 

of course.  Its made of cheap ass plastic.  You know plastic is lighter than metal?  But look how ugly the large ass bezel is on the fire. Barf.

post #93 of 137
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of course.  Its made of cheap ass plastic.  You know plastic is lighter than metal?  But look how ugly the large ass bezel is on the fire. Barf.


HEY...I never accounted for that in my analysis.  Someone else can look at metal vs plastic and weight my conclusions accordingly.

post #94 of 137

The Kindle is also wider and thicker than the ipadAir.  Yet its screen is 20% smaller. 

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A Chevy Spark is lighter than a Tesla, not sure it proves much.
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post #96 of 137
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A Chevy Spark is lighter than a Tesla, not sure it proves much.

I believe you just insulted the Chevy Spark, which as cars go, is much better than your comparison to a Kindle implies.  Please take that back.

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post #97 of 137
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Late to the party aren't you.  I already covered that.  By the way, where are your figures to back that up or did you just read mine.

Ah, I see. :)

post #98 of 137
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Kindle fire HDX is perfect for the lonely white male.  Just use the Mayday button to talk to a live person.  Be carefully of harrasement charges though. 

 

Personally I'd get one of these for the sole purpose of using the Mayday button for laughs.  I'm betting we will be seeing a ton of MayDay joke calls on youtube soon

I have one ready to go. Anyone want to loan me their Kindle fire HDX? 

 

MayDay: "Hi there, what can I help you with?"

Me: "I'm having this issue with a kindle book"

MayDay: "What book? I don't see what you are trying to do"

Me: "Oh, is this only one way video? You can't see what I am doing?"

MayDay: "No, I can only see what is on your screen"

Me: "Oh. So you can't see the kindle app on my iPad Air?"

 

HA!

post #99 of 137
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Originally Posted by crazy_mac_lover View Post

A piece of crap should weigh nothing .

Not true. It weighs a lot. It weighs heavily on your mind when you realize you bought some garbage instead of a premium device like the iPad.

Up all night agonizing over the wasted money spent
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Originally Posted by NelsonX View Post

There must be a way to jailbreak it.

Is that how Android users think?

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post #101 of 137
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I don’t see the previous two accounts’ posts anymore. Marvin and melgross are doing a good job.

As of now, prasad99777's post is still on this thread. Why?

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post #102 of 137
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I believe you just insulted the Chevy Spark, which as cars go, is much better than your comparison to a Kindle implies.  Please take that back.

How about comparing the Kindle to the Trabant. Now that was one light vehicle!

post #103 of 137
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My question is do you get the same hottie every time you push the button (as the ads imply)?  I don't want to have to get to know a different attractive perky technician each time I call mayday.  But seriously I don't know how Amazon can offer that free live 24x7 (video) support.  Presumably you have to pay those folks more than the typical voice-in-India support person since they have to have more skills (and can't roll their eyes at stupid questions).

I don't believe the marketing. For one thing, the phone support people don't look like the smiling actors you see in TV commercials playing phone support people. They probably look like everyone else: cornfed schlubs.

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A bit off the subject but I saw an ad last night for the new Kindle Fire and what caught my attention was the ridiculous "Mayday" button?  Really? Seems to me if you have to include a Mayday button on a tablet that it is difficult to use? Scratching head...

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Originally Posted by mistergsf View Post
Really? Seems to me if you have to include a Mayday button on a tablet that it is difficult to use? Scratching head...

 

  The room, like every other room in this building now, was done out in some appallingly tasteful grey. There were a few charts and drawings on the wall. Most of them were meaningless to Ford, but then he came across something that was obviously a mock-up for a poster of some kind.
   There was a kind of bird-like logo on it, and a slogan which said 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Mk II: the single most astounding thing of any kind ever. Coming soon to a dimension near you.' No more information than that.
   Ford looked around again. Then his attention was gradually drawn to Colin, the absurdly over-happy security robot, who was cowering in a corner of the room gibbering with what seemed strangely like fear.
   Odd, thought Ford. He looked around to see what it was that Colin might have been reacting to. Then he saw something that he hadn't noticed before, Iying quietly on top of a work bench.

   It was circular and black and about the size of a small side plate. Its top and its bottom were smoothly convex so that it resembled a small lightweight throwing discus.
   Its surfaces seemed to be completely smooth, unbroken and featureless.
   It was doing nothing.
   Then Ford noticed that there was something written on it.
Strange. There hadn't been anything written on it a moment ago and now suddenly there was. There just didn't seem to have been any observable transition between the two states.
   All it said, in small, alarming letters was a single word:
   PANIC
   A moment ago there hadn't been any marks or cracks in its surface. Now there were. They were growing.
   Panic, the Guide Mk II said. Ford began to do as he was told. 

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post #106 of 137
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A bit off the subject but I saw an ad last night for the new Kindle Fire and what caught my attention was the ridiculous "Mayday" button?  Really? Seems to me if you have to include a Mayday button on a tablet that it is difficult to use? Scratching head...

 

The litmus test you should be using is "what would I be saying if Apple did this?". So imagine it. What if Apple put a button on the iPad that when you pushed it, you were immediately connected with a live person that would help you say, set up Garageband? That would be pretty "revolutionary" wouldn't it? Be wary of biased double-standards. 

post #107 of 137
The mini is the competitor, not the air? They both have high screen res. and larger than 7 inch screens(but smaller than 9), plus only $30 difference.
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No. No one would say that. Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic wretch.

I have a word to add: " . . . useless, pathetic, hired wretch."
post #109 of 137
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of course.  Its made of cheap ass plastic.  You know plastic is lighter than metal?  But look how ugly the large ass bezel is on the fire. Barf.

If a fat thumb sits on it- what difference does it make?
It's not like an iPhone where you grip the edge.
 
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
I have a word to add: " . . . useless, pathetic, hired wretch."

 

Hmm. Do we know that? That’d be good to know.

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post #111 of 137
Well it may not be lighter but it's hands down faster because its WIFI is better.
Why the new iPad's weren't updated for WIFI is beyond comprehension.
 
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Of course it's lighter than the iPad Air. It's only a 32 bit processor and a smaller screen.

And for a smaller screen and lessor processor, the weight difference isn't that big. Oops.

Amazon, go pick better battles.

And what about the performance and battery life that both affect usability in different ways? I have to wonder if maybe making it more powerful and using a larger battery would have been a better move for the KindlE Fire HDX? The weight to display area, or weight to performance and battery life ratio should be used to see if Amazon actually out-engineered Apple.
post #113 of 137
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I believe you just insulted the Chevy Spark, which as cars go, is much better than your comparison to a Kindle implies.  Please take that back.

LOL. I was trying to say 'Apples and Oranges'... being the lighter of two items that are so different is not germane. I am sure the Chevy Spark is a fine little car.
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post #114 of 137
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Originally Posted by ScottWilson View Post
 

 

The litmus test you should be using is "what would I be saying if Apple did this?". So imagine it. What if Apple put a button on the iPad that when you pushed it, you were immediately connected with a live person that would help you say, set up Garageband? That would be pretty "revolutionary" wouldn't it? Be wary of biased double-standards. 

Hmmm.  Sounds to me you are accusing me of having "biased double-standards" and you know nothing about me.  Be wary of how it comes across.

 

Anyway, to answer your questions, no, I wouldn't describe it as revolutionary at all.  I would go as far as to say it was a bit "gimmicky". I not saying it isn't helpful.  Just asking why?

 

If Apple did this? My honest opinion is it would be a waste of resources. Based on my experiences as the "IT Guy" for my family and friends, Apple users tend to use the resources at hand, i.e. Apple video tutorials and help files, support forums, and I can't tell you how often I just head over to YouTube and find what I need.  My mom is 83 years old and we recently recently got her an iPhone and iPad.  After a few hours of training her on the basics, she learned a lot of things on her own.  How? By Googling it. The only difficulties she had was typing and trusting the keyboard auto-corrects.

 

Lastly, if it was truly "revolutionary", why didn't we see it on Macs or PCs? It would have been more appropriate.  I guess I just see tablets as simplified computing.

post #115 of 137
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  The room, like every other room in this building now, was done out in some appallingly tasteful grey. There were a few charts and drawings on the wall. Most of them were meaningless to Ford, but then he came across something that was obviously a mock-up for a poster of some kind.
   There was a kind of bird-like logo on it, and a slogan which said 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Mk II: the single most astounding thing of any kind ever. Coming soon to a dimension near you.' No more information than that.
   Ford looked around again. Then his attention was gradually drawn to Colin, the absurdly over-happy security robot, who was cowering in a corner of the room gibbering with what seemed strangely like fear.
   Odd, thought Ford. He looked around to see what it was that Colin might have been reacting to. Then he saw something that he hadn't noticed before, Iying quietly on top of a work bench.

   It was circular and black and about the size of a small side plate. Its top and its bottom were smoothly convex so that it resembled a small lightweight throwing discus.
   Its surfaces seemed to be completely smooth, unbroken and featureless.
   It was doing nothing.
   Then Ford noticed that there was something written on it.
Strange. There hadn't been anything written on it a moment ago and now suddenly there was. There just didn't seem to have been any observable transition between the two states.
   All it said, in small, alarming letters was a single word:
   PANIC
   A moment ago there hadn't been any marks or cracks in its surface. Now there were. They were growing.
   Panic, the Guide Mk II said. Ford began to do as he was told. 

Uhhhhh ooookaaaaay. 😳

post #116 of 137
Originally Posted by mistergsf View Post
Uhhhhh ooookaaaaay. 😳

 

Intimating a point about the Hitchhiker’s Guide. The original Guide has “Don’t Panic” in “large, friendly letters on its cover”. A device that tells its users not to panic when they have trouble is going to be FAR better received than one that does.

 

Amazon’s travesty, with a literal “Mayday” button is more akin to the 2nd Guide, which explicitly tells its users to panic.

 

Anyone using an Amazon device, at the first sign of trouble (read: laziness), will panic and hit that button.

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post #117 of 137
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Originally Posted by gotApple View Post
 

 

If you go and look how bad A7 performs in e.g. physics calculations versus that quad-core Snapdragon, you'll see the light of truth... I remember the times when Atari Jaguar came out and it was the first 64bit games console out there. Too bad others were miles ahead even with 32 bits...

Physics calculations?

 

yes but for those actually out of grade school… not that alluring.

post #118 of 137
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Well it may not be lighter but it's hands down faster because its WIFI is better.
Why the new iPad's weren't updated for WIFI is beyond comprehension.

"hands down faster"?

 

WiFi isn't exactly the key to a units overall performance. And even for communication that will depend on the base station also being upgraded and we all know legacy hardware is the boat anchor all over the place.

post #119 of 137

The Kindle Fire HDX will sell to Amazon Prime members. It's a decent device if you like to watch movies and tv shows. It has no apps because it doesn't have Google play. Just like the other tablets out there it has decent hardware specs but the OS and the UI suck.

post #120 of 137
iPad Mini .... Lighter than the HDX and way faster so not sure being slower has anything to do with weight .....

Fire is a wanna be that will compete on price but never on quality and why should they when people are ok with paying and getting less .....

Some just never experience what a real tablet or phone or computer is but they do know about bad experiences, funny thing is they rinse and repeat same process ..... Silly Rabbits!
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