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We want to sync hardwired. We don't want to entrust our hard earned business contacts or our calendar or our documents to any other company. Not just Apple; any company. Apple is special here because of the history of their remarkably poor cloud performance over a relatively long time period. It's a fairly pathetic legacy. It once pissed Steve off.

 

This is not about photos or music. This is business. We have patent data, product designs and critical competitive information which would be foolhardy to post to a 3rd party internet-connected server. As iCloud grows larger, the big hacks will come. Ask Adobe's customers. This is our livelihood, guys.

 

It's apparent Apple is removing iTunes from the data syncing equation and we believe this is both a tactical and a strategic error. It's been iTunes that has driven their growth over the long run, starting from the iPod. Lessening the software's impact and functionality is a poor decision IMHO. Especially replacing it with a service that they've never been very good at... this move could come back to haunt Apple. Competitors will rejoice.

 

We've tested iCloud previously. It was a very difficult experience. After being totally wiped from our systems during a sync hiccup, Contacts had to be recovered from a back up drive. All our associates' iPhones slowed to a crawl - and some froze - when iCloud made a unilateral background decision it was time to sync, regardless of what the user was doing. We were not impressed. But performance issues aside, it's just not wise to expose your company' secret sauce.

 

Look, it's bad enough that the NSA spys on all Americans. It gets worse on iOS devices when people's fingerprints will positively identify them at this location or that. It gets even worse when all your contacts are available for government scrutiny sans any court order. But that's just one reason, and not even the main point.

 

It infuriates me that Windows users stay fully-featured and get to maintain their hard wired sync functionality but my Macs get deprecated.

 

You can sync using USB.  They give you that option, some people just want automatic syncing.  I haven't had any problems with auto syncing of information from contacts, bookmarks, and notes.  I add and delete stuff all of the time and it syncs up great.  A temporary outage will happen from time to time, but it syncs up as soon as the service is back on line.   The way that iCloud is designed is certainly much better than MobileMe and .mac services were.  So, they've addressed a lot of that.

 

The NSA does not spy on everyone as much as you elude.  They frankly don't have the man power, they are focusing on terrorists or illegal behavior that threatens the country.  I wonder how much worse we would be if they didn't.  

 

I think you are paranoid and you might want to look at that.    People aren't sitting in offices actually reading your email messages unless you are a target.    I know plenty of people that are doing criminal actives that should be arrested that aren't.  But due to the nature of what they are doing, the NSA isn't going to do anything about it since it's more of a civil issue than a terrorist issue.   Seriously, it's not as bad you might think.  If you are doing something illegal, then stop doing it.  Otherwise, you shouldn't try to get others to be paranoid.


Apple and the NSA even mentioned that the only information they've gathered from Apple were done by a court order and it was mostly people from outside the US and they were criminals being targeted and there were only about 1000+ cases.  Which is a tiny amount of people compared to the total number of users.

post #82 of 96
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You can sync using USB.  They give you that option, some people just want automatic syncing. 

 

You cannot sync via USB in OS X 10.9. UNLESS you're running iTunes in Windows.

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post #83 of 96
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You cannot sync via USB in OS X 10.9. UNLESS you're running iTunes in Windows.

Well, then use iTunes for Windows.  It's free.  I don't use Windows so I'm not the best person to talk to regarding that subject matter.

 

Isn't there some third party software that you can get to work around iTunes?  I seem to remember there were some apps on the Mac side that allowed for it, maybe there is some free app that allows to do that same thing.

 

ITunes was developed originally so it could have music, etc. organized, then it grew from there.

 

It's always nice to have things organized.   I don't have any problems with how Apple is doing it on OS X and IOS, but I'm not versed in the Windows side, but if I were using Windows, then I would use iTunes if it's music/video related, or Microsoft has their Cloud services that's tied to Microsoft apps on iOS.

 

What it seems to me is that Apple, Microsoft, Google are using these Cloud services for their OSs to sync to a central location and update other devices as well as their ability to sell apps and content and to keep track so if you accidentally delete something, they know you bought it and can allow you to re-download it.   They are all adding features, altering things over time.

 

It's something the industry is doing and they are ALL learning as they go and these companies are also trying to figure out what is the best approach for the users.

 

And they have made vast improvements over the years with Cloud services.  It's not perfect, but nothing is.  Yet.  They are all still learning.

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Well, then use iTunes for Windows.

 

I may have to but this sort of comment is not helpful nor of any technical benefit. Apple has been known to recover from mistakes & change paths when users complained en mass. You missed the point, unfortunately. Why should the Mac get crippled but Windows retain the full iTunes functionality? As a Mac user, doesn't that infuriate you? If not, why the hell not?

 

Isn't there some third party software that you can get to work around iTunes? 

 

Not that I am aware of nor which has shown up in any of the net searches I've conducted, which obviously you did not do. Isn't there some sort of reply you might generate that would be helpful? Not to be critical but c'mon, man.

 

ITunes was developed originally so it could have music, etc. organized, then it grew from there.

 

iTunes has been a remarkable profit driver & ecosystem enabler for Apple over the years, going back to the early iPods. Why they would lessen it's grip & control in favor of an on-line system that they've traditionally been very suspect in supporting is a bad strategic error IMHO. This bothers me because not only am I a decades-long Mac user but I own a large number of shares in Apple. I have a vested interest in their success.

 

And they have made vast improvements over the years with Cloud services. It's not perfect, but nothing is.  Yet.  They are all still learning.

 

You know what? My business doesn't have time nor resources to babysit, handhold or be a beta tester for Apple while they are "still learning" how to do something. We need our vendors and suppliers to be world class - not still trying to figure out what the hell they're doing. This is a ridiculous comment, sorry. Nobody could do business under these conditions. We want to deal with adults.

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post #85 of 96
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There is an app I just found that MIGHT help.


It's called iExplorer.  I haven't used it, but it's made by Microplant.   http://www.macroplant.com/iexplorer/

 

maybe this will work for you???  Check it out, they have a video explaining the product.

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Thanks, we'll take a look.

 

http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-sync-for-ios-back#share

 

You know what might be a better method that gets straight to the source?

www.apple.com/feedback

 

This is where you can submit ideas, suggestions, complaints, bugs, etc., etc. about their various hardware and software products and it gets routed directly to the group that's responsible and you get your buddies that feel the same way and the more submissions, the better chance you'll have.

 

I submit stuff all of the time, and so far, about 75% or so of what I submit gets done with future releases of products.  It does work.

 

Some of the Apple employees that are doing the work don't have time to search out for these types of sites and may not know about them or may not find out them for weeks or months.  

 

But this way gets it to them within hours or days since they have 100's of millions of customers POTENTIALLY sending in submissions.   Depending on the severity of the issue, etc. it may takes anywhere from weeks, months or years.  But this request may show up either in an update to the current OS, or the next release if it's a BIG issue.

 

Maybe the site you listed should put this information for everyone to remind them that Apple has their feedback site specifically for alerting them of something they need to address.

 

Apple does have feedback in some of their apps directly.  Not many companies have the guts or balls to have this easy way to do this, but they DO read the submissions.  They might not get back to you, but they do collect the information and read it and many times they act on it, so don't expect it to get resolved in 24 hours.  Just at least voice your mind.  Also, a suggestion, be professional about it. They'll be more inclined to listen to what you have to say.  Just a suggestion.

 

Good luck in your endeavor.  Anything that makes you happy.  

 

I forgot to mention. If you have control over the website you listed or know the people that do.  Maybe you should put instructions and maybe the verbiage people should submit so there's some consistency and it's done right.  That way everyone is asking for the same thing and it's routed to the right people rather than an open request that has no consistency to the request.  Just a suggestion.


Edited by drblank - 10/27/13 at 8:52pm
post #88 of 96
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Thanks, we'll take a look.

 

http://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-sync-for-ios-back#share

Oh, here's a little anecdotal story.  I had a problem with an Apple routers, and they had changed the encryption, but the installation instructions didn't mention anything about it.  I was noticing drastic speed reduction in my internet connection because the encryption I used dragged it down, but I didn't know why.  It was out of warranty and I didn't have a local Apple Store and I didn't read anything about it on-line so I decided to send Jobs an email suggesting they need to do something to speed up the connection by doing something.

 

Within 1 hour, I got the top product specialist emailing me trying to figure out the problem.  We had a couple of email exchanges and figured out it was the new encryption they added and that they needed to alert the user during the installation procedure to switch encryption methods.  So, it helped me and they changed the installation of that product because they changed the encryption that allowed for better connection, so I ended up happy and THEY found out how to improve the installation setup on their end for the update to the admin software.

I wish Jobs was back, but believe it or not, they do read their emails. This was done before they had the feedback site up and running and maybe Jobs got sick of me sending him emails directly for new product ideas (even though many of them did come to fruition).

 

 They aren't perfect, but name a company that is.  Especially a large company. 

 

 

I called YouTube (part of Google) because I was having a technical issue with YouTube that I could get an answer on line, so I got their phone number and guess what?  I pressed the number to get routed to the right group and they didn't answer the phone.  I just left my phone on speaker and went about my business, but they never picked up after 45 minutes.  I was testing THEIR responsiveness to answering a simple phone call to what was SUPPOSED to be their technical support line.  Go figure.  Apple answers phone calls typically within 2 minutes is the average time until you talk to a live person.  

post #89 of 96
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You cannot sync via USB in OS X 10.9. UNLESS you're running iTunes in Windows.

That's an oversimplification.

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That's an oversimplification.


I tried to keep it simple for you :-)

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post #91 of 96
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I tried to keep it simple for you :-)

Then let me rephrase.

 

That is flat out wrong given the actual capabilities within Mavericks whose specifications page I linked to and quoted in Post# 70. Given that information to state such is more than an oversimplification: it's a flat out lie.

 

Better?

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Then let me rephrase.

 

That is flat out wrong given the actual capabilities within Mavericks whose specifications page I linked to and quoted in Post# 70. Given that information to state such is more than an oversimplification: it's a flat out lie.

 

Better?


Quite lovely. Now I'm a liar? Dude, you can now get great taste in a decaffinated coffee. Prior to your arrival, we were discussing local synching of calendar, contacts and notes via a USB cable, iOS device to local Mac host (or vice versa, your pleasure).

 

You cannot do this any longer in Mavericks via iTunes on a Mac. iCloud must be involved. It is not a lie... try it. Plug your iPhone into your 10.9 Mac and try to sync your contacts with iCloud turned off. Sync via iTunes has been deprecated in 10.9. However, it works perfectly well in iTunes on Windows.

 

So, while the Mac has been crippled, Windows retains full iTunes functionality.

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post #93 of 96
Not prior to YOUR Post 69 to which I replied with the details off the product webpage in 70. There you did the same sweeping 'no USB syncing' without any qualifications as you repeated above.
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Not prior to YOUR Post 69 to which I replied with the details off the product webpage in 70. There you did the same sweeping 'no USB syncing' without any qualifications as you repeated above.


Are you an accountant or an attorney?

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Have you been reading any other Mac Forums? Spinning Beachballs, slow performance. Some say ML was faster. The Spinning Beach balls are a major annoyance. We should not be seeing them. I certainly hope Apple comes out with 10.9.1 very soon. One person estimated 29 days after release; this is following the irst update of  previous releases.  Some people are rolling back to ML.  This is not to say everyone is experiencing these issues, but enough are.

 

Slide023

 

 

P.S.  Have you seen anything in Mavericks that just wow's you and knock you off your feet?

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Have you been reading any other Mac Forums? Spinning Beachballs, slow performance. Some say ML was faster. The Spinning Beach balls are a major annoyance. We should not be seeing them. I certainly hope Apple comes out with 10.9.1 very soon. One person estimated 29 days after release; this is following the irst update of  previous releases.  Some people are rolling back to ML.  This is not to say everyone is experiencing these issues, but enough are.

 

Slide023

 

 

P.S.  Have you seen anything in Mavericks that just wow's you and knock you off your feet?

 

I've had one problem with Mavericks total.  I'm sure it's my fault; or I think it is(either I screwed up installing, or I'm just dumb -- or both).

 

1) I can't use Time Machine.  I have a 2TB external drive that I've used for TM since forever.  There's 195GB free.  Now, TM is supposed to backup changed files only, and it's also supposed to eliminate older backups to make room for newer ones.  Right?  OK, every time I try to backup TM tells me that it failed, because only 195GB are available and it is trying to backup 705GB.

 

Two questions:  First, why is it trying to backup 705GB in the first place?  That's about 3/4 of the used space on my iMac drive.  I know I'm missing something REALLY obvious here.  I just don't know what it is.  Second, why doesn't it just eliminate enough of the old backups to make room?

 

I'm actually considering just reformatting the backup disk, and starting with a brand new set of TM backups.  Really, I think I've only once, in however many years it's been, gone BACK to get a file from the past.  So, it's not like I'd be losing anything, really.  Is this what I should do?

 

Any help would be amazingly appreciated!

 

 

As to your question re: knocking my socks off or something ...

 

As most of the changes are under the hood, that's not an easy question.  And I don't really use a laptop anymore, where a lot of those changes would be noticed.

 

But, for what it's worth ...

 

I thought "tabbed Finder, big deal."  Oh, man, I love the damn thing.  Within like 2 hours I had fallen in love with tabs.  So I dig it.

 

I love the new Activity Monitor.  It's way more functional now.  I know it's nerdy, but I like it. :)

 

Skeumorphism is thankfully gone, for the most part. 

 

iBooks on the Mac!  Why did we need to wait this long?!  But I'm thankful.

 

The new Safari is better in so many ways I would need a whole additional post to even express how happy I am with it.

 

And the whole thing runs more smoothly, everything pops.  I am digging it so far.

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