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as of about an hour ago, App store ratings of the new Pages 5.0 was being rated at over 2/3 of responses with one or two stars.  So 2/3 of reviewers think it is a lousy application.   Comments are...  hot!

And when the update comes out, those stars will become 4 or 5 stars.  

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This is an utterly abysmal update. Why could Apple engineers not have spent the time between releases improving functionality by adding for example, a drop-dead gorgeous, Apple equation editor, which is desperately, desperately needed (and not the ported-from-windoze, awful MathType), or features to help in specialised fields, such as creating a LaTeX parser and editor, which would have been a killer in sciences? Whilst Keynote is unassailable for quality and functionality, Pages has been dumbed down toward oblivion. Please, please Apple, take Pages where it should be going, toward the unassailable position enjoyed by Keynote. I’ve had to revert to Word, which this morning I could not have imagined needing to do.

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Same thing, only this is for an app they normally charge for vs the new free version whereas iMovie they didn't charge for.  Same thing with FCPX.

 

Any time there is a new major release of ANY software package, it takes about one or two updates to get things worked out.  That's TYPICAL of ANY software.

 

Apple is the only software company I ever heard of that is bold enough to publish "upgrades" that can not open previous files. Whatever Microsoft, Adobe and so on are tinkering, at least you can ALWAYS open old documents with a new version of the application. 

 

FCPX still can't open FCP7 documents. Funny enough Premiere can open FCP7 projects. So 1) why should you assume, that FCP11 is going to open FCPX files? Definitely not certain. And 2) why not go Premiere where you can continue your work without the need to start projects from scratch. 

 

This attitude will likely backfire for Apple in the future.

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Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post
I’ve had to revert to Word

 

Why, when you still have the old pages?

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And when the update comes out, those stars will become 4 or 5 stars.  

Thank you Mr. Kreskin...

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Why, when you still have the old pages?

Good point... main reason was that MathType would not produce text in an equation that matched text in the discussion perfectly, which is essential and document could not be opened in old pages (which wasn't perfect either but easier to work with). I have a full Time Machine backup but decided to use Word as more consistent for equations. Apple should have a native equation editor. I can just see it, would be beautiful but obviously not a priority to Apple.

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This is an utterly abysmal update. Why could Apple engineers not have spent the time between releases improving functionality by adding for example, a drop-dead gorgeous, Apple equation editor, which is desperately, desperately needed (and not the ported-from-windoze, awful MathType), or features to help in specialised fields, such as creating a LaTeX parser and editor, which would have been a killer in sciences? Whilst Keynote is unassailable for quality and functionality, Pages has been dumbed down toward oblivion. Please, please Apple, take Pages where it should be going, toward the unassailable position enjoyed by Keynote. I’ve had to revert to Word, which this morning I could not have imagined needing to do.

If you have an equation heavy document, why not just LaTeX your whole document using one of the many excellent TeX editors out there, such as Texshop? LaTeX is much better suited for typesetting these documents than any WYSISYG word processor. Once you get the hang of LaTeX you'll appreciate the ability to write equations as effortlessly as you write normal text, without lifting a finger from the keyboard. Plus, a LaTeXed document looks professional whereas one can often tell that a document was composed in MS Word and the equations hacked in using MS Equation Editor.

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Originally Posted by IQatEdo View Post
 

This is an utterly abysmal update. Why could Apple engineers not have spent the time between releases improving functionality by adding for example, a drop-dead gorgeous, Apple equation editor, which is desperately, desperately needed (and not the ported-from-windoze, awful MathType), or features to help in specialised fields, such as creating a LaTeX parser and editor, which would have been a killer in sciences? 

 

This is really really niche.  In any case, what would they be adding that MacTeX + texpad doesn't?  The free Daum equation editor in the app store provides both a gif and the tex string.

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Also, YES you can set the old versions as the default. Simply choose one of your .pages files in the Finder and right-click, then choose Get Info (or the shortcut, cmd-I) and pick the application you'd like it to open in. Right under that, click the option to open all documents like this one in that same default application. Repeat this for one .numbers file and one .key file and you're done! Simple.

Simple yes, but interestingly doesn't do the trick. Even with the document set to specifically open in Pages version 4.3, a double-click brings up a warning window that it's going to open the file in the new Pages.

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Whilst I hope Apple reinstates some of the missing features in Pages and Numbers in the future, overall I am very happy with the new design and the compatibility across OS X, iOS and iCloud.

 

There are always people who baulk at change: they see the threats, not the opportunities.

 

The past is littered with folk who didn't want to move on from MS DOS, Win 3.1/95/98/XP, WordPerfect, AmiPro, etc.

 

The new iWork produces beautiful cross-platform documents, and it fulfils 100% of the needs of 99% of users…and that is a big deal for companies that can now supply their staff with OS and iWork upgrades for free, and without the expense, high-wastage and inefficiency of using MS products.

 

If it doesn't meet your needs for now, use the old iWork or buy other software; and contact Apple with reasoned suggestions for improvements.

 

The furore is childish nonsense. I hope Tim Cook tells people to stop whining, to stop hankering for the past, and to wise up to the opportunities of the future.

 

And remember, employment is just like natural selection: if you can't (or won't) adapt to new ways of working, your company can easily find people who can. There are a ton of young people coming into the marketplace who have grown up with iPods and iPhones and Apple's simple way of doing things. They will embrace the new iWork in an instant, at which point the naysayers will be history only.

 

There is no glory or future in being a Luddite. 

Here we go again, from people who can't stand it when anything Apple does is questioned. Over and over again their message is "It doesn't matter that the new software can't do half the things the old software did, just shut up and be happy." It didn't matter when the new iMovie took away frame-by-frame editing, the ability to burn DVDs, the ability to add chapter markers, audio editing, compatiblility with earlier iMovie projects, etc. Just shut up and be happy (some of the lost functions were added later, but the program became basically a YouTube editor and not much more). It didn't matter when Final Cut Pro screwed its users so much that Apple had to give refunds and start selling the old version again so Video Professionals wouldn't abandon it altogether (many of them did anyway). Just shut up and be happy (it took over 2 years for most of the lost functionality to return). It didn't matter when Apple went exclusively to glossy screens that many people absolutely hated. Just shut up and be happy (of course, now Apple brags about the less-reflective new iMac screens).

 

It's not just a new, simple way of doing things - it's cutting off peoples' legs at the knees without warning. It's Apple deciding that nobody needs complicated charts or tables anymore, nobody needs to burn DVDs anymore, nobody needs multiple mics in a movie project, and on and on. It's so ironic - the Mac was born so that people could use all their creativity, and now Apple's purpose is to force everybody into a little box. What happened to "Think Different"?

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If you have an equation heavy document, why not just LaTeX your whole document using one of the many excellent TeX editors out there, such as Texshop? LaTeX is much better suited for typesetting these documents than any WYSISYG word processor. Once you get the hang of LaTeX you'll appreciate the ability to write equations as effortlessly as you write normal text, without lifting a finger from the keyboard. Plus, a LaTeXed document looks professional whereas one can often tell that a document was composed in MS Word and the equations hacked in using MS Equation Editor.

Thanks for your thoughts. Actually, I wrote my latest paper, resulting from a conference, entirely in LaTeX using LyX, which is quite nice. Then, one week before the submission due date, the organisers sent out a pro forma for tex documents that LyX wouldn't read, requiring me to re-write the whole thing. They would however, accept a Word doc and so I just cut and paste into that. I'll be writing most docs in LaTeX though, I love the utter control and integration.

 

All the best.

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post #172 of 216
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FCP X is blooming in the right direction. Soon it will surpass FCP 7.x in functionality, never mind already surpassing greatly in workflow.

 

I couldn't be happier with what Apple's done with FCP. When my capital request said I'd rather spend $1000/seat on Avid than $300 per for FCP, no one batted an eye. Now I get a real editor with real collaboration tools and a full set of codecs and support for facility-wide asset management/sharing.

 

Thanks Apple!

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I hope Tim Cook tells people to stop whining, to stop hankering for the past, and to wise up to the opportunities of the future.

 

"Stop hankering for the past! We're not ADDING problems, we're REMOVING complication! Fewer features means less confusion!"

 

"Wise up to the opportunities of the future, such as being able to make a lost cat flyer on your iPad! Stupid old people who don't see the value of dumbing everything down to the lowest common denominator will be forced to surrender all their pay to YOU, superdooper FUTUREMAN!"

 

I don't know whether to be amused or frightened for the future of the planet.

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Stop lying, please.

 

What do you mean? Apple DID dumb down FCPX, and now HAVE dumbed down iWork. How is he lying?

 

Some might argue it's a necessary step to make sure people can write blog posts on their iPhone, but no one is disputing the obvious: Apple has made the new versions LESS capable than the ones they replace.

 

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 The fact that software keeps your work from being destroyed is the worst thing since the introduction of USB, forcing people to buy new peripherals, instead of HOW IT SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FROM 1976 ON.

 

It's been my experience that every time a computer tries to "help" by "anticipating" my needs and "preventing" my mistakes, the outcome is bad. Autosaving is "new" but I'm not convinced it's "improved."

 

There's also an inherent conflict in the reasoning. It's saying I'm too stupid to manage my own file versioning. Assuming that's true, what makes Apple think I'm gonna be smart enough to figure out the MUCH less intuitive system of trying to recover previous versions of a file?

 

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iWork has always been unable to open newer versions of its files with older versions of the software. 

 

Whoops, you lost the plot there. This is a case of NEW software not being able to open documents created in OLDER versions of the software. So, if you open one of your existing documents with the new software, it might strip out things you created with the older version.

 

(Wanna insert an "Oh... that's very different..."here?)

 
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Buy a copy of iWork ’09. How is that a difficult idea to formulate?

 

Easy to formulate as an idea. Impossible to actually DO though, since it's no longer sold.

 

Is it possible, just POSSIBLE, that Apple is not perfect, and that maybe YOU have misjudged the reaction to this issue?

post #175 of 216
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Do you really think that Apple has no development roadmap for these products? Just like FCP, Apple will continue to add functions and apabilities to their products

 

Why exactly should I give Shit One about Apple's plan? The product will get better, will it? Call me when it does. Until then, fück the fückers for fücking up the software.

 

If they want me to suck up feature stripping and evangelize their Grand Vision, maybe they should trying filling me in on what the füch they're doing? As long as they wanna guard every single thought anyone at that campus ever had like it's Knowledge of Creation and demonstrate that they have no problem whatsoever yanking the floorboards out from under me any time they feel like it, more than once even, as in "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, I must be an Apple customer," you'll forgive me if I have less than zero faith that everything will just work out fine happily ever after nite nite mommy.

 

I care that they made tools I use less useful. I don't give a shit whether they did it to piss me off, because the guy who knew how to code that feature works at Google now, or just so some hipster with bad pants and how-can-he-not-see-this ridiculously stupid facial hair can pretend he's avant garde because he can check the phone number his girlfriend's brother added to the otherworldly-bad concert poster he made up while riding the bus.

 

If you care about how it fits into Apple's agenda, you're an idiot. They sure as hell don't care about you beyond just how much they milk you for the latest fadfone (which, BTW, is WAAAAY too much).

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Although the 'look' of the latest iWork is good, and universal across multiple Apple products, it's probably only of much use to those who use it at the most basic level.

 

Assuming Apple knows what they're doing, it seem sto me that they would feel that they can't compete with Office for more advanced users, and have a larger market pick-up opportunity by offering a free simple suite of productivity apps.

 

Maybe they're thinking of creating an "iWork Pro" app for those of us who use it more in-depth, and charge for that.  I'm happy to keep paying for a new-look iWork that actually keeps the functionality of previous versions.

 

Where are you customisable toolbar, page thumbnail copy-paste, multiple sorting rules for Numbers, mail merge, ... and more for me to discover missing?

 

I'm fine with trying to learn where functions have moved to (such as re-learning some of iMovie) but to find things completely missing is pretty disappointing.  Yes I can (and will) revert to the previous version, but hope that either an update fixing these issues is released soon, or a "Pro" paid-for version becomes available.

 

I think Apple may have actually underestermated the number of people that use the advanced features of their great software that are now missing OR creating a product to work collaboratively via iCloud/Web Browser (and iOS) has forced them to make some major compromises to a previously great product for OSX.

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The problem with free software and services really starts to show. As long as I pay for software it binds the company to a certain commitment. As soon as a tool becomes free (or as in the case of FCPX almost free) all obligations towards the customer vanishes in thin air. "Hey what do you expect! It is free! So stop moaning, go home and shut the fück off" that's what I read a lot on this forum. But hey, what if I really work with a piece of software? What if I have to sustain a workflow over 100s or 1000s of documents? What if I need the possibility to open documents that are maybe a few years old? I very much prefer to pay a decent price for software than ending up in Apple limbo. 

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May I please IMPLORE you to take 10 minutes of your busy day to see with your own eyes and hear why Final Cut Pro X had to break away from the past to be the future of cinema editing... that is here TODAY? https://vimeo.com/73797466

 

I mean no disrespect when I say that the video you link struck me as an awful lotta feathers, not much chicken. It's long on HOW a transition to FCPX must be managed but way short on WHY one would bother. It states that FCPX is upside down, putting an asset manager on top of a timeline instead of the other way around, but there's no explanation of how that's supposed to be better than any other approach. It also describes the rather ordinary concept of host editor with plugins as if it were a new and unique development, but since it's obviously not, that's not really a reason to choose FCPX over anything else either.

 

I understand the importance of being willing to let go in order to move forward. I just don't see FCPX offering any compelling reason to do so, since I don't see how it advances the state of the art or workflow or anything. To me it seems neither better nor worse, just different, but so WAAAY different that it's less hassle to learn something else than to learn the new version. If that something else happens to be Avid, one also opens up a whole new level of capability that FCPX still has not matched.

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What I like about Apple is that they're ambitious, and unlike other companies, and are not scared about going back to the drawing board to make a superior product, which always pays off in the long-term, even though they know there will be whining and bitching along the way. They look at the big picture. 

 

I respect that too. Avid was in a similar situation with Pro Tools -- users were demanding certain features that Avid said would require a complete rewrite of Pro Tools. Users screamed at them to quit whining about how much work it would be and JUST DO IT!!!

 

And that is where the similarity between Apple and Avid ends. Avid began involving partners the second they had a handle on how the rewrite was going to change the hooks between the host and third-party products. They warned users well in advance of what changes to expect and what the effects would be. They rolled out the rewrite in two stages, with a "transitional" version helping to ease the shock.

 

Avid did NOT drop features/functions/capabilities except for supporting legacy plug-ins (see two years advance warning, above). They managed to rebuild for a brighter future WITHOUT half-crippling the app.

 

The argument that Apple has to dumb-down in order to move forward is bullshit. If that's what they think is best that's fine, but let's drop the martyristic pretense about suffering for the greater good.

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Your inability to comprehend another's motives does not mean it's idiotic.

 

Ipso facto, the fact that the bizarre move is made by Apple doesn't automatically mean it's NOT idiotic.

 

Absolute REFUSING to discuss product roadmaps does not make a company mysterious and enigmatic, it makes them difficult and annoying. It also makes the company management SEEM arrogant and conceited, which may or may not be true.

 

Thankfully there are excellent productivity tools available from companies that are NOT a colossal pain in the ass to deal with.

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Simple yes, but interestingly doesn't do the trick. Even with the document set to specifically open in Pages version 4.3, a double-click brings up a warning window that it's going to open the file in the new Pages.

"...warning window..." - it's not exactly written as though it's a warning, just what's going to happen. 

Changing the "Open with..." for each file individually works, provided you haven't saved it from Pages 5. Otherwise, you need to use either Time Machine, or from within Pages 5 itself, using Revert/Browse all versions, and go back to a pre-5 version, then close it without making any changes.

Changing back to 4.3 as the default is only possible if you trash or zip Pages 5, although the App store will put reinstall it if you allow auto updates. "Change all..." isn't necessary if 5 isn't available, as 4.3 becomes the default.

If you're worried about whether an older file will look different, select the file and press the space bar for a "Quick Look", which will show the 5 layout.

 

In some earlier posts, the effects of the changes were dismissed as users whining about change. Pages 5 is quite capable of opening old files, but they won't necessarily look the same. For example, our 24 page catalogue grew to 26 pages, and the index (TOC) had to be redone - and this didn't have any linked text boxes.

We have several hundred Pages files for printing labels and instructions for plastic kits. Some of the label text got changed to "Title case", and some of the instructions look different (wrong) or lost their linked text boxes necessary for upside down text on the lower half of A4, to produce double sided A5 sheets printed two-up.

 

Oh, and an update to Mail 7.0 is said to be on the way, hopefully making it work properly, like being able to count how emails are being sent/received, instead of making something up.

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Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features. 

Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it 

It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying. 

I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.

Regrettably, I may return to MS Word 

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Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features. 
Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it 
It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying. 
I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.
Regrettably, I may return to MS Word 

Just using Pages '09 till the new version catches up seems the simplest solution. Plus when those features are not required the new version has some nifty features of its own.
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Some people cannot understand that there are some good features of the new Pages but there are also some bad features. 

Yes I may have to go back to Pages '09 if the lack of features such as Mail Merge and hyperlinkage etc drives me to it 

It just beggars belief that the option to use the old features is not included. That's what we so-called 'power' users are saying. 

I just use my MacBook for work, writing lesson plans, etc but I do expect a word processor to be more than a pretty typewriter which is what the latest Pages is.

Regrettably, I may return to MS Word 

I've fought tooth and nail for the right to use a Mac in various workplaces, with the last in use at one government lab gone when I left. However, this Pages suddenly has me worried about the direction Apple is going with application software. The new version in my opinion is next to useless. Apple has produced the most sophisticated of operating systems but with the obvious exception of Keynote is destroying iWork. It is easy to visualise killer applications and the sophistication of Apple's software engineering capability makes it quite apparent that Apple actually thinks that this is what people want. iWork could be mind-blowing. I'd like to see Apple hungry, like a start-up, for the possibilities that OS X provides.

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That or they have no contingency if an upgrade breaks something that is important to them. I didn't move to Mavericks on my MBP until I cloned my previous system and tested 10.9 via starting up from an external drive. Only then did I then swap the drives around, and I can go back any time.

Complainers gonna complain.

Meh. I don't worry about that. That's what Time Machine is for. I've been known to upgrade to a beta OS in the middle of a work day 1wink.gif
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That or they have no contingency if an upgrade breaks something that is important to them. I didn't move to Mavericks on my MBP until I cloned my previous system and tested 10.9 via starting up from an external drive. Only then did I then swap the drives around, and I can go back any time.

Complainers gonna complain.

Meh. I don't worry about that. That's what Time Machine is for. I've been known to upgrade to a beta OS in the middle of a work day 1wink.gif

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post #187 of 216
Apple heard the complaints about lost iWork features and posted a new support page indicating some will be reappearing.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
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The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:

 

1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element

2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document

3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail

4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document

5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts

6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed

Etc., etc.

 

I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application. 

The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.

 

The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.

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Originally Posted by DesGilling View Post
The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined.

 

Yep, you don’t understand it at all. Thanks for telling us.

 

6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed

 

You sure you’ve used it?

 
And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.

 

Whose fault is it for installing an update blind, again?

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Yep, you don’t understand it at all. Thanks for telling us.

 

You sure you’ve used it?

 

Whose fault is it for installing an update blind, again?

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by DesGilling View Post
 

The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:

 

1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element

2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document

3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail

4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document

5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts

6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed

Etc., etc.

 

I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application. 

The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.

 

The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.

 

 

As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain.  Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine.  Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way.  One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.

 

BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data  - not just the original file you have on your hard disk.  And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.  

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

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That’s pretty sad. The guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and is now paying for it. There’s a reason Apple leaves iWork ’09 on your machine when you update. It’s his fault he deleted it. It’s his fault he installed an update blind. How you can defend him is beyond me. 

 

Or maybe you had a different complaint. Do you not know why iWork ’14 works the way it does–why they made those changes?

 

Enjoy “blocking” me, by the way. I’m probably quoted too much for that to matter. :lol: 

 

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Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way.  One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.

 

One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product, but I guess not. Maybe users are getting too arrogant.

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Wow.

Welcome to my Block List.  

Wow.

Welcome to reality and the truth!
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As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain.  Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine.  Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way.  One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.

Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects. No... you may have problems bringing in your legacy projects into the new FPX, however, that doesn't stop you from recreating your libraries and the parts of a project that you may reuse in the new editor. Oh! Thta's kinda like Pages now. What a coincidence /s
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BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data  - not just the original file you have on your hard disk.  And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.  

What many have said on the Apple forums and AI already, which is the ONLY way to test a new software upgrade... of any kind... on any platform. Period.

You folks that continue to hold back the progress of the Post-PC Revolution started by Apple, just refuse to except that concept at all. Software MUST be redesigned and re-coded to make this transition. Apple is far and away leading that inevitability, with Google right on their heals. MS, Adobe, Autodesk, and Avid? Claiming to be on the side of their legacy users, but secretly hoping that they can reuse old legacy code and not be forced into a rewrite... or.... waiting for ARM chips to be fast enough to hack their crappy old luggage software to work. Sort of.. kind of... well, you can at least install it and try.

You really should inform yourself about some of the Apple patents, financial statements... rumors even...and ever growing evidence to the undeniable fact that Apple plans on being the leader in the Post-PC market. That means: 1) iOS software, hardware and platform first, 2) web services second, and 3) desktop hard and software (the trucks) to augment the transformation, last on the list.



I must admit Apple's secrecy and lack of communication is sometimes frustrating, and I can even accept labeling them "arrogant" at times. I actually do believe they think their customer base is smarter than they really are for choosing their products, and still haven't themselves realized and restructured to acknowledge the fact that they are a tech leader now, not only in their minds and work... but in reality with a huge fan and customer following. Many of which that have made the jump from a less-than-ideal alternative, but know no more today about computing than they did when they sprung. Apple has made so much easy for them, and due to the cleft between them and the alternative is so massively huge, that they fail to realize that there's still much to do to educate their customers, and specifically... where they are heading with this stuff.

Unfortunately, we have all witnessed why Apple is understandably rather shy about even presenting anything to the public. They are a) raked over the coals by the media, b) see their stock get pummeled by short-sighted anal-cysts; and c) have their ideas stolen by those other technology companies that want a part of the technology future that Apple is leading and pioneering.

Sometimes it's good to stand back and ask: what would YOU do in that situation. Sometimes you might come to the age-old conclusion: silence is golden.

Predictions for 2014-15:

  • 85%+ of Apple's income will come from iOS stores, services and hardware devices;
  • iOS 8 (64-bit) will be the first true consumer desktop replacement for everyday tasks, including productivity and creativity suites; MS and Adobe will be there, no doubt about it.
  • Mac OS X will continue to be developed, but for a dwindling SKU line-up of machines that actually run it: 2 laptops, 2 iMacs, 1 Mac Pro... possible Mini.
  • MacBook Airs will cease to exist and will be replaced by iPad Pros.
  • Software titles will run as well and have parallel features on both iOS and OSX... although, it will be debated that the iOS software is actually BETTER because it's easier and more accessible.

Last but not least:

There will be massive wailing, gnashing of teeth, and lots of knee and elbow skin left on the path from dragging "The Legacy Lugs" along for the ride... but they'll eventually stand up and say,"Wow! This is pretty cool stuff! How do I get started?".... and declare without a second thought, "Me? I've ALWAYS believed in Apple and never once doubted their plans." Yuppp.......

Been there... seen and lived it since '78... have at least a dozen T-shirts to show for it. Still an Apple fanboy regardless of a bum elbow and trick knee 1smoking.gif
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The new iWork, particularly Pages, has quite simply been ruined. Let me explain. Pages no longer has the following:

 

1) a Page Layout option for creating word processing with a design element

2) the ability to move thumbnail pages around the document

3) the ability to delet a page through the thumbnail

4) the ability to cut and past pages right into the document

5) rulers!! There are no ruleers for setting page guidleines for text boxes or grapgic layouts

6) the easy-to-use inpsector has been removed

Etc., etc.

 

I could go on, but perhaps by now you get the idea. I worked with an Apple tech assistant at length to solve issues I had in terms of recovering 09. He was shocked at the ridiculous changes made to iWork and said they were inundated wth complaints. It seems that Apple has ignored the user who requires more complicated applications of Pages and dumbed it down to function in iPad—which, of course, is, by its very nature, limited in application. 

The 09 Pages layout option was akin to using InDesign but much simpler and user friendly:the perfect efficient and inexpensive option.

 

The technicial suggested that some tech geek who has never used Pages for professional work simply stripped it. He said this happens all the time. And, of course, Apple in their inherent secrecy, never warns about changes that may alter the use of the application.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

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As a long term Pages user myself, I can feel you pain.  Version 9 should still be on your computer and it works fine.  Let's hope that it is just Apple repeating the mistake they made when they launched Final Cut Pro X without giving any hint about a road map and that they actually have really big improvements on the way.  One would hope that they would have learned, but they are getting (already are?) pretty arrogant.

 

BTW, it is always a good idea to keep backups of data  - not just the original file you have on your hard disk.  And if you ever see that message about no being able to open the file again in an older version, stop, create a test file (or just a copy of your file) and test it.  

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6049?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

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I was going to make a rather snide statement regarding users having hope an being able to go back to the alternative (MS)... but look at this news just in from

Microsoft: We aren't going to have three different versions of Windows:
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Speaking at the UBS Global Technology Conference last week, Larson-Green confirmed Microsoft plans to reduce the number of Windows variants it has in its portfolio. She told attendees during a question and answer session the following:

"We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three. We do think there's a world where there is a more mobile operating system that doesn't have the risks to battery life, or the risks to security. But, it also comes at the cost of flexibility. So we believe in that vision and that direction and we're continuing down that path."

Without saying so (of course not!) they surely and certainly are validating Apple's Post-PC concept.

Whereas Apple is already yards and yards ahead of MS, moving the desktop to iOS (mobile)... MS is hoping to do that move in reverse mobile -> desktop.

IMHO I think Apple's approach is far better than MS's, and we'll see positive results with Apple's strategy allowing "true" productivity for users far sooner. The power of touch, mobile, web services, and new modern interaction with these devices is far better and a much more future-worthy... than a keyboard, mouse, and legacy desktop metaphors and hardware. Even more powerful than 2-position kickstands....

I still find it rather ironic that the company that brought the mouse to the masses, is going to be the one that also kills it... or leaves it "wasting away in the mouse-trap that is Windows."*


* That was so easy to write I'm sure it's been written before. My apologies, and I wave any wrongdoing, criminal intent, royalties, rights and/or copyright due to my lack of recall....1smoking.gif
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One would hope users would have learned ANYTHING about what Apple is doing when they completely revamp a product,

 

I know, right? By now users should KNOW that Apple is utterly CLUELESS about how to manage product updates! They should know that just because Avid and Adobe and every other software vendor they deal with manages major rewrites without screwing their users is not a reason to expect Apple to have any competency whatsoever in that regard. Apple forges its own path, and when it comes to major software revisions, that path involves stripping features and functions until they can figure out what they're doing.

 

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Oh what a grand mistake Final Cut was, wasn't it? It's now the smoothest and fastest non-linear editor on the market for forward thinking film projects.

 

SMOOTHEST and FASTEST? Have you tried Avid Nitris? Or is the overwhelmingly dominant market leader not "forward thinking" enough? Or, let's be honest, is it out of the running because it's not three hundred bucks?

 

Final Cut may finally be a competent editor (I don't know myself because I found the interface so opaque that I gave up on it) but that's little comfort to anyone had work to do anytime in the TWO YEARS it took for Apple to get their shit together. THAT'S the point. Other vendors manage major product revisions without losing major features and capability. They communicate with users so we know what to expect and can plan our business. Apple castrates their software with no warnings about critical changes, then gradually rebuilds it over a period of months or years and we're supposed to be grateful? Gimme a break.

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They should know that just because Avid and Adobe and every other software vendor they deal with manages major rewrites without screwing their users is not a reason to expect Apple to have any competency whatsoever in that regard.

 

When has Adobe EVER rewritten ANYTHING? They keep everything identical to whatever the software was they bought out so that their userbase doesn’t whine like infants. There’s no unity between applications, there’s no commonality, and they’re bloated beyond belief.

 
Apple forges its own path, and when it comes to major software revisions, that path involves stripping features and functions until they can figure out what they're doing.

 

Yep, you don’t get it.

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When has Adobe EVER rewritten ANYTHING? They keep everything identical to whatever the software was they bought out so that their userbase doesn’t whine like infants. There’s no unity between applications, there’s no commonality, and they’re bloated beyond belief.

 

Yep, you don’t get it.

They are only doing it on the apps that are getting a full rewrite from 32 to 64 bit, which is almost complete.  Other than the obvious, the only other apps that aren't 64 bit are tiny little apps here and there, so iWork and iLife are the last on the list of any major apps going through the 32 to 64 bit transition on OS X.  I would think that apps on iOS are in that change over period as well and within 6 months or so they'll be 100% for any major application that Apple develops as being 64 bit.  

 

Is Adobe even 64 bit, yet?  For something that they do, they should.

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