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Do you know anything about what you’re saying?

 

Yeah. It is. We want Google dead. Stealing an entire OS isn’t how you drive innovation.

 

So leave, then.

 

Do you know what you're saying?

Every single person I know that uses an iPhone extensively uses Google services and apps. Your opinion is very biased and not representative at all of the general iPhone population. The stealing argument doesn't hold water anymore. Not after iOS7.

I left 2 years ago.

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That's the beauty of Android. My Galaxy Nexus is already running a 4.4 ROM. Original Motorola Droid will get it soon too. 4 years of up to date! Anyone that bought the Galaxy Nexus (which was labeled as only a developer phone FYI) can easily get KitKat.

But, I do think it's BS that Google doesn't officially release the update. Poor showing. Fortunately, it really doesn't matter. Most ROMs updates often and automatically. It's all good.

At least some reports blame the TI chipset used for the Galaxy Nexus, one that's no longer in production or supported. No idea if there's any validity to it tho obviously 4.4 can be adapted for it.
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At least some reports blame the TI chipset used for the Galaxy Nexus, one that's no longer in production or supported. No idea if there's any validity to it tho obviously 4.4 can be adapted for it.

 

I heard that. But the fact is my Galaxy Nexus is already running a ported 4.4 with no problems (yet). It's been 12 hours since the 4.4 code was released from Google. How hard could it really be for Google to support it if developers already have.

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Do you know anything about what you’re saying?

 

Yeah. It is. We want Google dead. Stealing an entire OS isn’t how you drive innovation.

 

So leave, then.

 

Really... stealing an ENTIRE OS?? Hmmmm... wasn't iOS built on BSD and Android on Linux?

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Really... stealing an ENTIRE OS?? Hmmmm... wasn't iOS built on BSD and Android on Linux?

To be fair TS didn't say Google "stole an entire OS". What he did say was if anyone were to steal an entire OS it isn't the way to drive innovation. I'll agree with that.
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To be fair TS didn't say Google "stole an entire OS". What he did say was if anyone were to steal an entire OS it isn't the way to drive innovation. I'll agree with that.

If that wasn't his insinuation I'll eat my hat... and yours too! :p

post #87 of 121
Got to love that off-contract pricing. $300 cheaper than Apple. I really like my iPhone, but assuming I get another phone for international travel, it doesn't make sense to pay the premium.
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Got to love that off-contract pricing. $300 cheaper than Apple. I really like my iPhone, but assuming I get another phone for international travel, it doesn't make sense to pay the premium.

 

SACRILEGE!

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That's the beauty of Android. My Galaxy Nexus is already running a 4.4 ROM. Original Motorola Droid will get it soon too. 4 years of up to date! Anyone that bought the Galaxy Nexus (which was labeled as only a developer phone FYI) can easily get KitKat.

 

But, I do think it's BS that Google doesn't officially release the update. Poor showing. Fortunately, it really doesn't matter. Most ROMs updates often and automatically. It's all good.

Do you need to root your device to install a custom ROM? One shouldn't have to take advantage of security exploits just to get an updated OS.

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Do you need to root your device to install a custom ROM? One shouldn't have to take advantage of security exploits just to get an updated OS.

No, you don't need to root to flash a ROM

post #91 of 121
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No, you don't need to root to flash a ROM

 

The fact that you would even have to do that is STUPID... the Galaxy Nexus is only 2 years old. Same age as the 4s. If I would have purchased a GNex I would be VERY unhappy right about now.

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I find it odd.  People talk about the irrational hatred of Apple, yet go to any Nexus 5 thread today and you won't find too many comments complaining about the iPhone instead.


It's a solid device at a great price.  Simple as that.  A full $200 cheaper than the 5C and more capable.  That's good value to me.

 

For me, everything else is Apple, except my phone.  For several reasons:

 

1)  Once you use a larger screen, going to the 4 incher sucks monkey balls.  No matter what the resolution.  I wouldn't say I need a 5" phone.  But somewhere around 4.5" is probably right.  At the very minimum there is no reason, Apple can't offer two phone sizes, if it's so concerned about those with smaller hands.

 

2)  The swipe keyboard on Android makes one-handed operation a cinch.  Keyboard plain sucks on iOS.  And Apple just doesn't seem to be bothered enough to do anything.  Heck, they still have all the letters in capitals.  Makes no sense from a useability perspective. I want to know when I turn caps on.

 

3)  Working with networks.  Apple chooses to work with networks that gouge.  I don't mind paying more for the phone.  But there's no way I'm paying twice as much for service just to support the phone.  Here in Canada, I can pay $40 on Wind for unlimited everything.  Or I can pay $90 on Rogers for capped everything, just for the privilege of owning an iPhone.   Caps impact my user experience more than anything else.  It basically turns my phone into a paperweight for half the day.

 

These three very simple reasons keep me from going for an iPhone every year.  And that decision is easy when I can buy a Nexus phone for $411 with taxes and shippping.  Here in Canada, the 4S starts at $450.  And that's before tax.

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The fact that you would even have to do that is STUPID... the Galaxy Nexus is only 2 years old. Same age as the 4s. If I would have purchased a GNex I would be VERY unhappy right about now.

 I have a GNex and I fully agree with this, having bought the phone in Feb 2012.  But I'm giving this phone to the girlfriend who is replacing a feature phone.  I highly doubt she cares that the phone will run 4.3 instead of 4.4.

 

She'll use it for a year and then get my N5 when I get the N6 or the iPhone 6 (if it meets my conditions).  This is reality.  Only the geeks really care about features.  The only time people really care about OS changes (in my experience) is when there are visual changes.  And the changes from Jellybean to Kit Kat aren't all that visually noticeable to the average user.  Going from iOS6 to iOS7 though would be a much bigger deal.

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Only the geeks really care about features.  The only time people really care about OS changes (in my experience) is when there are visual changes.  And the changes from Jellybean to Kit Kat aren't all that visually noticeable to the average user.  Going from iOS6 to iOS7 though would be a much bigger deal.

Being left on 4.3 also isn't as big a deal in terms of features because the core apps like chrome, gmail, and maps, are nowadays updated independently of the OS version. On the other hand, the only way to get the latest Safari is to update to iOS 7 and accept all the other changes as well. 

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With that new step sensor, Fandroids will be assured of when they arrive safely at home, in their parent's basement.

No, I think the correct term is Hemorrhoids.     The Fandroids aren't the one's in the basement.

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I find it odd.  People talk about the irrational hatred of Apple, yet go to any Nexus 5 thread today and you won't find too many comments complaining about the iPhone instead.


It's a solid device at a great price.  Simple as that.  A full $200 cheaper than the 5C and more capable.  That's good value to me.

 

For me, everything else is Apple, except my phone.  For several reasons:

 

1)  Once you use a larger screen, going to the 4 incher sucks monkey balls.  No matter what the resolution.  I wouldn't say I need a 5" phone.  But somewhere around 4.5" is probably right.  At the very minimum there is no reason, Apple can't offer two phone sizes, if it's so concerned about those with smaller hands.

 

2)  The swipe keyboard on Android makes one-handed operation a cinch.  Keyboard plain sucks on iOS.  And Apple just doesn't seem to be bothered enough to do anything.  Heck, they still have all the letters in capitals.  Makes no sense from a useability perspective. I want to know when I turn caps on.

 

3)  Working with networks.  Apple chooses to work with networks that gouge.  I don't mind paying more for the phone.  But there's no way I'm paying twice as much for service just to support the phone.  Here in Canada, I can pay $40 on Wind for unlimited everything.  Or I can pay $90 on Rogers for capped everything, just for the privilege of owning an iPhone.   Caps impact my user experience more than anything else.  It basically turns my phone into a paperweight for half the day.

 

These three very simple reasons keep me from going for an iPhone every year.  And that decision is easy when I can buy a Nexus phone for $411 with taxes and shippping.  Here in Canada, the 4S starts at $450.  And that's before tax.

I would agree with you on the screen size.  But, believe it or not I've talked to a lot of people that actually don't like the larger screen phones.   They want something thin, small, light weight, obviously good resolution. I personally prefer something larger, but I won't buy Android anything. I made that decision a LONG time ago.  I just won't buy a smartphone/tablet from a non-computer company.   I chose Apple OS X a LONG time ago over Windows, I like the fact that the mobile devices Apple makes work well and are designed purposely to work well with the desktop and that's what I enjoy. Out of my three devices, the iPhone gets the least amount of use since I'm at home most of the time and work on the desktop and I don't make or take tons of calls.  I've always preferred email or face to face and leave cell phone calls to a minimum.   But I like using an app on any device and it gets sync'd to the others.  

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That's the beauty of Android. My Galaxy Nexus is already running a 4.4 ROM. Original Motorola Droid will get it soon too. 4 years of up to date! Anyone that bought the Galaxy Nexus (which was labeled as only a developer phone FYI) can easily get KitKat.

 

But, I do think it's BS that Google doesn't officially release the update. Poor showing. Fortunately, it really doesn't matter. Most ROMs updates often and automatically. It's all good.

 

Here is official word about the Galaxy Nexus from Google: 

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Google also notes that the Galaxy Nexus uses a chip made by Texas Instruments — a company that's no longer actively developing smartphone chips.

 

If Apple ecosystem is a walled garden, Android one is a graveyard of devices no longer supported from their original mfg.  I wonder how many orphan OMAP phone there is out there. 

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Nothing was mentioned about the Nexus 5 as having a 64 bit processor, nor did it say anything about KitKat being 64 bit OS. Does anyone know anything about this?
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Nothing was mentioned about the Nexus 5 as having a 64 bit processor, nor did it say anything about KitKat being 64 bit OS. Does anyone know anything about this?

 

They aren't

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Nothing was mentioned about the Nexus 5 as having a 64 bit processor, nor did it say anything about KitKat being 64 bit OS. Does anyone know anything about this?

 

I am willing to place my bet on kit kat is 32-bit.

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Nothing was mentioned about the Nexus 5 as having a 64 bit processor, nor did it say anything about KitKat being 64 bit OS. Does anyone know anything about this?

The Snapdragon 800 is based on ARMv7; I don't think there are other chips besides Apple's A7 based on ARMv8 yet.

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They aren't

Ok, is KitKat?  Then I guess Samsung is either going to have to not live up to their word that the next Samsung Galaxy phone is supposed to be 64 bit, OR they are just going to release a 64 bit processor that only runs a 32 bit OS.

 

I also read that KitKat is supposed to run on older phones going back to Gingerbread.

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Ok, is KitKat?  Then I guess Samsung is either going to have to not live up to their word that the next Samsung Galaxy phone is supposed to be 64 bit, OR they are just going to release a 64 bit processor that only runs a 32 bit OS.

I also read that KitKat is supposed to run on older phones going back to Gingerbread.

Supposedly will run on devices with as little as 512K memory so yeah, years worth of phones would be upgradable. That doesn't mean they'll be upgraded. Have to see how/if Google "encourages" the OHA members to offer it.
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post #104 of 121
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Ok, is KitKat?  Then I guess Samsung is either going to have to not live up to their word that the next Samsung Galaxy phone is supposed to be 64 bit, OR they are just going to release a 64 bit processor that only runs a 32 bit OS.

 

I don't believe so. There aren't any ARMv8 chips for a 64-bit Android to run on. On the other hand, since Android iterates semiannually, it's conceivable that there will be a 64 bit build by the time ARMv8 finally starts getting implemented en masse.

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I don't believe so. There aren't any ARMv8 chips for a 64-bit Android to run on. On the other hand, since Android iterates semiannually, it's conceivable that there will be a 64 bit build by the time ARMv8 finally starts getting implemented en masse.

As I read it the only real hold-up even now is the hardware side. Software-wise it's already pretty well baked into Android.
http://www.slashgear.com/android-64-bit-support-already-baked-in-just-add-hardware-17298038/
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I don't believe so. There aren't any ARMv8 chips for a 64-bit Android to run on. On the other hand, since Android iterates semiannually, it's conceivable that there will be a 64 bit build by the time ARMv8 finally starts getting implemented en masse.

Here's what I am noticing, Google has to have their OS on the market for about 6 months before we see the OEMs releasing their version of it.  So, Google has to release a 64bit ARMv8 phone w/OS 6 months before the others can start offering the OS on their phone.

 

Now, Scamscum said that their next Galaxy phone would be 64bit, but they typically announce their flagship phone around May timeframe.

 

So, what I'm thinking is that the Scamscum S5 will be a 64bit processor not running a 64bit OS.  OR, it won't be a 64bit processor running KitKat.


I think Android is going to slowly go down hill for the top end phone.  I think once Apple starts shipping their large screen model,  they'll start cleaning up as they will have a 64 bit phone/tablet, 64bit OS, and plenty of 64bit apps.   More compelling story/reason to pay the Apple premium prices.

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As I read it the only real hold-up even now is the hardware side. Software-wise it's already pretty well baked into Android.
http://www.slashgear.com/android-64-bit-support-already-baked-in-just-add-hardware-17298038/

I would think that they would have mentioned this at the KitKat announcement, but I haven't seen anywhere where they did.

post #108 of 121
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Please check the google  quality and service of their website :

 

http://www.android.com/kitkat/

 

go to bottom and click  Learn more about Android KitKat link its not working .  

 

This is how the quality standards of great web service company in the world  of kitkat :(

Learn more about Android KitKa about Android KitKa

Huh, works fine for me. You must of clicked on it during an update or something and please you can't sum up an entire company because of one link. I find dead links on Apple.com all the time so what Apple is now a crappy company. It's a new site, give them some slack geesh, I know your trying to get a little cred with the rest of the Google lynch mob but please try and be a little more creative next time.

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Do you need to root your device to install a custom ROM? One shouldn't have to take advantage of security exploits just to get an updated OS.

 

The Nexus series has an open boot loader so there is no security exploit. The Nexus series of devices is among the the easiest to flash a new ROM. It takes all of 5 minutes after you download the ROM you wish to flash.

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At least some reports blame the TI chipset used for the Galaxy Nexus, one that's no longer in production or supported. No idea if there's any validity to it tho obviously 4.4 can be adapted for it.

 

It's fairly easy to port Android 4.4 to the TI chip, in fact it's already be done. Ounce the guys over at XDA get the source it normally takes a day or two for a ROM to pop up. I know the manufactures suck when it comes to supporting their software but where they have failed the developer community has come in to pick up the slack. The original Android phone the HTC G1 has a 4.4 update now. Some ROMS support over the air updates as well so you only have to flash your device once and then you'll have the latest Android OS for at least 5 years.

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post #111 of 121

and they say iOS is a rip off of android because the "colours are similar" and crap.

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and they say iOS is a rip off of android because the "colours are similar" and crap.

Maybe they hired ex-Google employees that got sick of Google's crap OS that only a small percentage ever uses the latest version.

 

Actually, Google has been copying Apple for quite some time. I have a sweatshirt that had the word Apple on it and it's in a simlar font that Google uses and each letter is a different color and that sweatshirt was made before Google even started.  Google does a LOT of things similar to Apple.

 

I know there are similarities here and there, but a lot of Google's look originally came by copying Apple. 

 

Either way, it's going to be interesting to see if they can pull off transferring the installed base over to one release of OS. Personally, I don't see them doing it.  I doubt Samsung is going to bother making all of the products they currently sell and have been selling for the past couple of years over to KitKat.  If they do, I will be VERY surprised.    I'm sure they'll do the higher priced models, but the cheap ones?  I doubt it. Time will tell.  IT will take them entirely too long to do it. They would have to have a HUGE team of developers working on every model (over 100) at the same time?  Yeah, right.  Not gonna happen.

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The Nexus series has an open boot loader so there is no security exploit. The Nexus series of devices is among the the easiest to flash a new ROM. It takes all of 5 minutes after you download the ROM you wish to flash.

 

 

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It's fairly easy to port Android 4.4 to the TI chip, in fact it's already be done. Ounce the guys over at XDA get the source it normally takes a day or two for a ROM to pop up. I know the manufactures suck when it comes to supporting their software but where they have failed the developer community has come in to pick up the slack. The original Android phone the HTC G1 has a 4.4 update now. Some ROMS support over the air updates as well so you only have to flash your device once and then you'll have the latest Android OS for at least 5 years.

eft that, what a hassle. Ill just buy a three year old iPhone or newer and plug it in to update to the best OS there is and be done with it. My son in law has a POS droid dork phone - a $100 LG something or the other. Poor Kid, he shakes his head at that mistake all the time. "Never again" he says about dork phones. He learned a lesson... I, fortunately would never be so stupid to buy a droid dork phone. I just want to use my phone as the bad-ass machine that it is without all the BS.

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That was introduced in Jelly Bean. 

And just because Google now owns Motorola Mobility doesn't mean the Nexus 5 wasn't already in dev with LG and also doesn't mean Google and Motorola are one company just in a weekend.

You're right about zooming into apps. My mistake. But the way the apps fly onto the screen at different speeds is new, they used to just zoom in altogether.
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I would agree with you on the screen size.  But, believe it or not I've talked to a lot of people that actually don't like the larger screen phones.   They want something thin, small, light weight, obviously good resolution. I personally prefer something larger, but I won't buy Android anything. I made that decision a LONG time ago.  I just won't buy a smartphone/tablet from a non-computer company.   I chose Apple OS X a LONG time ago over Windows, I like the fact that the mobile devices Apple makes work well and are designed purposely to work well with the desktop and that's what I enjoy. Out of my three devices, the iPhone gets the least amount of use since I'm at home most of the time and work on the desktop and I don't make or take tons of calls.  I've always preferred email or face to face and leave cell phone calls to a minimum.   But I like using an app on any device and it gets sync'd to the others.

 

To each his own, of course.  To me, the screen is a huge part of the user experience.  And I am not going to be squinting every time I use my phone just for the privilege of using iOS.  On the other hand, I fully understand how somebody with smaller hands might find the large phone trend uncomfortable.  In my mind there, needs to be two phone sizes.  And increasingly, in the Android ecosystem there seems to be a trend to three sizes on all the major product lines.  Look at HTC with the One, One Mini and One Max.

 

Also, for me, quite frankly, I find that I use the Google apps the most (GMail, Maps, Hangouts).  That means, syncing also isn't much of an issue for me.  No matter what device I'm on.  Use Chrome on my Mac, and it's all synced.  Same on my iPad.  And my phone.

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Here's what I am noticing, Google has to have their OS on the market for about 6 months before we see the OEMs releasing their version of it.  So, Google has to release a 64bit ARMv8 phone w/OS 6 months before the others can start offering the OS on their phone.

 

Now, Scamscum said that their next Galaxy phone would be 64bit, but they typically announce their flagship phone around May timeframe.

 

So, what I'm thinking is that the Scamscum S5 will be a 64bit processor not running a 64bit OS.  OR, it won't be a 64bit processor running KitKat.


I think Android is going to slowly go down hill for the top end phone.  I think once Apple starts shipping their large screen model,  they'll start cleaning up as they will have a 64 bit phone/tablet, 64bit OS, and plenty of 64bit apps.   More compelling story/reason to pay the Apple premium prices.

 

I'd argue that I'm in that target market.  And guess what?  If I didn't already have Apple kit (iPad, iMac, Apple TV) and use certain Apple apps, I would not consider the iPhone at all.  The premium is getting markedly ridiculous.  Benchmark tests have the Nexus 5 at just below the 5S and above the 5C.  64-bit is nothing more than a marketing bullet to the average person.  I find it very unusual and downright amusing, that all the Apple fans who usually disdain spec sheet talk all of a sudden sound exactly like all the annoying Android fanatics who did that over the years.  Apparently, the irony is lost on the lot of you.  Most people don't and won't care about 64 bit because very few people will be buying apps that need that kind of horsepower.

 

The 5S is ~$800 with tax and shipping in Canada.  The Nexus 5 is $411 with tax and shipping.  There is a very narrow justification and use case that overcome that kind of price differential.

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To each his own, of course.  To me, the screen is a huge part of the user experience.  And I am not going to be squinting every time I use my phone just for the privilege of using iOS.  On the other hand, I fully understand how somebody with smaller hands might find the large phone trend uncomfortable.  In my mind there, needs to be two phone sizes.  And increasingly, in the Android ecosystem there seems to be a trend to three sizes on all the major product lines.  Look at HTC with the One, One Mini and One Max.

 

Also, for me, quite frankly, I find that I use the Google apps the most (GMail, Maps, Hangouts).  That means, syncing also isn't much of an issue for me.  No matter what device I'm on.  Use Chrome on my Mac, and it's all synced.  Same on my iPad.  And my phone.

 



Actually, I think that EVERY mobile device (tablet, notebook, laptop) should have the OPTION of adding cellular and that we could have multiple devices connected to the same phone number. So which ever device we use, it takes over when we answer or call someone, but we can always be on wi-fi and cellular data linked to the same number. So if someone calls, all devices ring at the same time until it's picked up.
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Confirmed for no IR blaster. Seriously Google?
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copying what bro even google now its beating the crap of siri 

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copying what bro even google now its beating the crap of siri 

Voice commands is still in it's infancy.  I've used Siri when it worked and when it didn't work, just like i've used Google's whatever they call it, and it worked and didn't work.

 

Using voice commands is not the most commonly used feature of a smartphone or tablet for me and it's not part of the decision making process when considering a new device.  It's one of those "great if it's there, but it's not a big deal if it isn't" type of features.

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