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In an email to AppleSeed developers on Thursday, Apple revealed it is working on a Mail Update for Mavericks, which looks to deal with a number of issues users are experiencing with the new operating system.

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According to people familiar with the Mail Update, Apple is asking AppleSeed members to help in testing the software before it is pushed out to customers. As seen above, Apple is requesting that the update be tested as soon as possible, suggesting the company is planning on a near future release.

Sources say the update focuses on email accounts associated with Mavericks' Mail app, including those served by Apple's own iCloud. Gmail, Microsoft's Exchange and others were also mentioned.

In the release notes, Apple instructs testers to install the update and use Mail normally. Particular areas of concern include moving messages into different folders, undoing certain operations like deletes and making sure messages are being marked as "read" and "unread" in both Mail and on the provider's server, the people said.

A number of threads have been created on Apple's Support Communities forum regarding issues with the new operating system's Mail app, including one discussion concerning odd Gmail folder behavior. The thread has amassed over 15,000 views and 131 replies.

AppleInsider has also received numerous anecdotal reports of Mail being "broken," with incorrect notifications, messages mishandling and other anomalies.

Apple did not specify a target release date for the Mail Update.
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Mail is horrible at time. Taking 3-5 seconds to open a new mail message and just pausing for 5+ seconds for now reason. Scrolling is an issue when Mail goes dumb for a while. 

 

This update can't come soon enough. 

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PDF documents can not be scrolled onscreen with a mouse. You must highlight the PDF with the spacebar, then scroll. Why the extra step?
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Just yesterday I had trouble sending file getting false message saying over size limit when file was 5.7 mb! Yes update can't come soon enough.
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Adding an attachment from mail also is very slow. It takes 10-15 seconds for folders to load even though I'm having SSD drive only.

Yes update can't come soon enough !

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I wonder if mail rules will work now. Some do, but some that should do not.
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What about Mail for iOS? I often open emails from the lock screen by swiping but then after I close Mail it still shows the message as unread. Not a huge issue but another bug that needs squishing
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Mail on iOS is severely lacking too. Why they don't initiate a bulk mail folder for spam is beyond me. Anyone have experience with Air Mail on MacOSX? Apple's email clients have always been extremely weak IMHO...
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Are the people commenting here foreigners from India and Pakistan getting paid by Google or Samsung? Why do I ask? The horrible grammar is a dead giveaway.
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Issues:
- marking a message as junk in a smart mailbox only marks it as junk but doesn't move it to the junk mailbox as it used to do correctly in previous releases; marking a message as junk in the inbox still moves it to the junk mailbox. This makes using a smart mailbox for unread or flagged or VIP messages useless

- if mail is open on multiple machines junk message marking and classification gets seriously wonky and/or out of sync

There are other issues, like mail blocking if one account experiences minor connectivity issues, instead of silently retrying and running each account in a separate thread

Despite all of the shortcomings, Mail.app in classic view is still the most productive mail client for me.
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Are the people commenting here foreigners from India and Pakistan getting paid by Google or Samsung? Why do I ask? The horrible grammar is a dead giveaway.

Horrible grammar affects people of all nationalities, all cultures, all ages, and even those who speak a language natively. What I find interesting is that with circa 200 countries in the world you choose this 1% as being the culprits.

edit: typo.
Edited by akqies - 11/1/13 at 8:36am
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Everything was working fine after installing Mavericks until today. I get a "ding" for new mail but no badge. Go to my MBP to see what's up and have to actually open Mail to see if I got something. I get the badges fine on my phone though.
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Originally Posted by akqies View Post

What I find interesting is that with circa 2000 countries in the world
2,000 counties in the world?
Currently, only 250 if you really, really stretch the definition of "country".
Regardless, the comment from Simsonic was a bit off the mark. The grammar is no worse than any other thread.
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I'm not saying Mavericks Mail doesn't need to be fixed but...

 

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In an email to AppleSeed developers on Thursday, Apple revealed it is working on a Mail Update for Mavericks, which looks to deal with a number of issues users are experiencing with the new operating system.A number of threads have been created on Apple's Support Communities forum regarding issues with the new operating system's Mail app, including one discussion concerning odd Gmail folder behavior. The thread has amassed over 15,000 views and 131 replies.

 

Everything about Google's half-assed Gmail IMAP implementation is "odd".  It doesn't surprise me that the rewrite of the Mail application would have issues with the strange way Google retains messages in that pseudo phantom folder implementation.

 

What kind of bizarro world do we live in where Outlook.com now has a more correct and complete IMAP implementation than Google's Gmail?

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Issues:
- marking a message as junk in a smart mailbox only marks it as junk but doesn't move it to the junk mailbox as it used to do correctly in previous releases; marking a message as junk in the inbox still moves it to the junk mailbox. This makes using a smart mailbox for unread or flagged or VIP messages useless

- if mail is open on multiple machines junk message marking and classification gets seriously wonky and/or out of sync

There are other issues, like mail blocking if one account experiences minor connectivity issues, instead of silently retrying and running each account in a separate thread

Despite all of the shortcomings, Mail.app in classic view is still the most productive mail client for me.

I hope it is coming, but the solution is server side rules. That way we could have the same results no matter if Mail.app is open on my mac or not.
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Everything was working fine after installing Mavericks until today. I get a "ding" for new mail but no badge. Go to my MBP to see what's up and have to actually open Mail to see if I got something. I get the badges fine on my phone though.

I notice Mail that is "read" when it comes in. Very strange.
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Clearly there are problems with Mail and you rightly point out that a significant number of people 15,000 have followed a thread on this on Apple discussions. But there is a much bigger issue with Mavericks that is causing a huge amount of accrimony in Apple discussions and yet very few people are reporting on it. There is a thread of some 30 pages, read by almost 28000 viewers on the breaking of local syncing in iTunes- you can no longer sync your address book or calendar between iOS and Macs except through the NSA- sorry I mean iCloud. Many of us, especially but not only those not in the US, are really really unhappy about this silent and crippling change to iTunes under 10.9 (the issue is 10.9 not iTunes). Interestingly, local sync still works in windows! The issue is not only what Apple have done, but how they have done it, without any warning of the removal of a core functionality. Many people on the thread are downgrading to 10.8 and the only other solution seems to be to install OSX server. Sorry to have hijacked this thread slightly.....

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Are the people commenting here foreigners from India and Pakistan getting paid by Google or Samsung? Why do I ask? The horrible grammar is a dead giveaway.

 

That's insulting.

Do not generalise people from any country based on stereotypes.

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Make it soon. Mail.app has not behaved properly since updating to 10.9. Amongst other anomalies Mail Activity keeps showing random numbers of incoming mail none of which arrives.

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You ninny... We're all "foreigners" on the internet. It's a World Wide Web.

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Originally Posted by akqies View Post
you choose this 1% as being the culprits.

 

India is one percent? No. He chose them because that’s where they come from.

 

If it hasn’t been reverted in the interim, IP addresses that report themselves as coming from India (wait, I think just Pakistan) are blocked from signup here.

 

Originally Posted by Bloodshotrollin'red View Post
We're all "foreigners" on the internet. It's a World Wide Web.

 

Wouldn’t that make none of us foreigners?

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Mail is crashing repeatedly despite major reboots and reinstall of Mavericks! Please...hurry up with a fix. Mail freezes "Send" button and only a Force Quit stops the crash...but Mail is now inoperable. 

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Mail "Send" crashes repeatedly. Reboots might solve the issue for a brief time but ultimately that fails. Even did a major reinstall of Mavericks to no avail. Hoping for a quick-really quick-update!!!
And please, can't we communicate without racial profiling???
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Originally Posted by beowulfpro View Post
And please, can't we communicate without racial profiling???

 

It’s in no way “racial profiling”.

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Originally Posted by akqies View Post

Horrible grammar affects people of all nationalities, all cultures, all ages, and even those who speak a language natively. What I find interesting is that with circa 2000 countries in the world you choose this 1% as being the culprits.

Not to mention typing on small iPhone screens with what is somes laughably inaccurate autocorrect.
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Originally Posted by Isidore View Post

Clearly there are problems with Mail and you rightly point out that a significant number of people 15,000 have followed a thread on this on Apple discussions. But there is a much bigger issue with Mavericks that is causing a huge amount of accrimony in Apple discussions and yet very few people are reporting on it. There is a thread of some 30 pages, read by almost 28000 viewers on the breaking of local syncing in iTunes- you can no longer sync your address book or calendar between iOS and Macs except through the NSA- sorry I mean iCloud. Many of us, especially but not only those not in the US, are really really unhappy about this silent and crippling change to iTunes under 10.9 (the issue is 10.9 not iTunes). Interestingly, local sync still works in windows! The issue is not only what Apple have done, but how they have done it, without any warning of the removal of a core functionality. Many people on the thread are downgrading to 10.8 and the only other solution seems to be to install OSX server. Sorry to have hijacked this thread slightly.....

While I don't like that Apple has limited choice for syncing contacts and calendars to my iPhone, I'm more bothered by the fact that I can no longer sync that same info to my iPods, since no iPod except the touch can sync via the network. Building my own server isn't going to solve that. I know there are work arounds that involve a series of manual steps, but it's silly that Apple couldn't create a function within iTunes to perform the sync (even with Sync Services stripped out of OSX now.
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All I know is, I was happy with the way Mail worked in 10.8 and now I'm not. Hopefully this update will fix things. I haven't had any issues with Mail on iOS7 on my iPad 2.

(gmail is my primary email account)
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2,000 counties in the world?
Currently, only 250 if you really, really stretch the definition of "country".
Regardless, the comment from Simsonic was a bit off the mark. The grammar is no worse than any other thread.

It's called a typo which you probably knew which is why you removed the portion of my comment that mentioned that 2 countries were about 1% of the total number of countries. Look, you were wrong about Apple and how they could profit and save money in other areas by offering a carrot. Move on.
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Not to mention typing on small iPhone screens with what is somes laughably inaccurate autocorrect.

At least with auto-correct is an incorrect word here and there that usually lets the reader figure out what is going on. Using Siri to dictate can be a disaster from start to finish.
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I've lost messages when moving them to a different mailbox folder. Gone Pffff bummer. I've been doing this for years when people send me stuff to a wrong address. This has never happened before Mavericks.
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Originally Posted by akqies View Post



Horrible grammar affects people of all nationalities, all cultures, all ages, and even those who speak a language natively. What I find interesting is that with circa 200 countries in the world you choose this 1% as being the culprits.



edit: typo.

 

You have a good point, although India and Pakistan make up 20% of the world's population, so his comment isn't that rediculous.
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Issues:
- marking a message as junk in a smart mailbox only marks it as junk but doesn't move it to the junk mailbox as it used to do correctly in previous releases; marking a message as junk in the inbox still moves it to the junk mailbox. This makes using a smart mailbox for unread or flagged or VIP messages useless

- if mail is open on multiple machines junk message marking and classification gets seriously wonky and/or out of sync

There are other issues, like mail blocking if one account experiences minor connectivity issues, instead of silently retrying and running each account in a separate thread

Despite all of the shortcomings, Mail.app in classic view is still the most productive mail client for me.

I hope it is coming, but the solution is server side rules. That way we could have the same results no matter if Mail.app is open on my mac or not.

 

The problem is whose server...

...the last thing I would like to see is Apple implementing some (castrated) server side rules for iCloud accounts, and ditching rules in Mail.app; or for that matter each and every mail server having different server side rules.

Until such a point where server side rules are powerful and standardized and can be edited from the client over an extended IMAP(-like) standard protocol, as much as I conceptually like the idea of server side rules (just like server side mail storage and client side caching/backup), I'd be against it, because the inconsistency that will come with it.

 

Right now, provided Apple finally fixes some bugs and irons out some irregularities, I just leave Mail open on my desktop, and the effect is essentially the same as server side rules, and it applies to all my various e-mail accounts, and thanks to IMAP the results are shared across platforms. The issue is, that in previous incarnations of Mail.app (pre-Lion), it was no problem to have Mail app open on multiple desktops/laptops: the rules were applied consistently on a first comes, first executes basis. Now it seems there are hidden race conditions where rules get partially executed, e.g. a message is moved to the junk mail folder, but not marked as junk, or marked as junk, but the colorizing rule I set up is isn't executed, etc. But these are simply bugs.

 

Apple also has for a long time now some omissions, e.g. some rules allow for execution if the *sender* is part of a particular group in Contacts. But there's no equivalent for if the *recipient* is part of a particular groupd in Contacts. These sort of things seem like odd omissions, and despite having been reported as bugs, feature requests, etc. there's just no change, as if it were that difficult to make such things symmetrical. It's that sort of Apple ignoring reasonable and logical user requests for many years that sometimes drives me up the wall with an otherwise damn well designed system.

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Clearly there are problems with Mail and you rightly point out that a significant number of people 15,000 have followed a thread on this on Apple discussions. But there is a much bigger issue with Mavericks that is causing a huge amount of accrimony in Apple discussions and yet very few people are reporting on it. There is a thread of some 30 pages, read by almost 28000 viewers on the breaking of local syncing in iTunes- you can no longer sync your address book or calendar between iOS and Macs except through the NSA- sorry I mean iCloud. Many of us, especially but not only those not in the US, are really really unhappy about this silent and crippling change to iTunes under 10.9 (the issue is 10.9 not iTunes). Interestingly, local sync still works in windows! The issue is not only what Apple have done, but how they have done it, without any warning of the removal of a core functionality. Many people on the thread are downgrading to 10.8 and the only other solution seems to be to install OSX server. Sorry to have hijacked this thread slightly.....

 

Buy the Server upgrade to OS X, and enable your own CardDAV server, move your contacts over, and be done with it. It's a $20 purchase. Most basic iCloud services (unfortunately NOT (yet?) keychain sync) you can host on your own server, in particular calendar, contacts, etc. 

Only push notifications will go through Apple's push server, but that can be turned off. Not sure what information is in the push notification, i.e if it's just a "check the server for updates" or a "this is the update from the server <info included>" message.

But in any case, the careful/paranoid/security-sensitive can turn off push notification. Then it's just a matter of keeping your server secure, both in software and physically.

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rediculous

 

REDiculous is Rudolf's nose, and are the noses of many clowns.

 

Ridiculous is just about what happens to spelling in this world, in particular what the misspellings reveal about true understanding of language, including the meaning of word roots, etymology, etc. ("ridere" is Latin for "to laugh", thus something ridiculous is something that's laughable) 

It's even more depressing when considering that while not the pinnacle of the educational elite, a forum like AI at least should attract a somewhat above average readership, given the markets Apple sells into.

 

Is it really that hard to keep quite and quiet, there, their, and they're, etc. as distinct concepts in one's language universe?

 

Unfortunately, iPads in education are not going to fix this matter, make it likely even worse, because people will even more rely on spell checking, which won't capture obvious things like "looking froward" and neither the impossible, like "I'm not quite there" vs. "I'm not quiet there".

 

Student's Language Skills: Handbasket => Hell ;)

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It's called a typo
Okay.
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which you probably knew which is why you removed the portion of my comment that mentioned
as usual, you are still wrong. You wrote something that was wrong and I corrected you. That's all there was to it. But you get defensive and even tried to justify it and put it back on me. Grow up.
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Look, you were wrong about Apple and how they could profit and save money in other areas by offering a carrot.
And as usual, you are still lying. I did not write or even suggest this. In fact, I agreed with your (one) correct statement. The rest of your rant was totally off topic & irrelevant.
You write comments which are not complete or incorrect and rather than than simply say, "oops", you try to backpedal and blame others for your incompetence.
Bottom line is you were wrong in the past, you are still wrong and very likely you will be wrong again.
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Other anomalies... Like duplicate display of the same message as part of a threaded conversation, where deletion of one deletes the other fake duplicate too, and undoing deletion sometimes gives you the proper view of one message?
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

Okay.
as usual, you are still wrong. You wrote something that was wrong and I corrected you. That's all there was to it. But you get defensive and even tried to justify it and put it back on me. Grow up.
And as usual, you are still lying. I did not write or even suggest this. In fact, I agreed with your (one) correct statement. The rest of your rant was totally off topic & irrelevant.
You write comments which are not complete or incorrect and rather than than simply say, "oops", you try to backpedal and blame others for your incompetence.
Bottom line is you were wrong in the past, you are still wrong and very likely you will be wrong again.

Since when is admitting one made a typo is backpedaling or is this you trying to again claim something that was never implied, like saying 2000 countries, even with additional text that proves otherwise?
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If it hasn’t been reverted in the interim, IP addresses that report themselves as coming from India (wait, I think just Pakistan) are blocked from signup here.

 

 

 

what???

I am from India with an IP that says I'm from India.

registration was fairly easy.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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what???
I am from India with an IP that says I'm from India.
registration was fairly easy.
I have no idea what you are talking about.


"...(wait, I think just Pakistan)..."
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Originally Posted by bananaman View Post
I am from India with an IP that says I'm from India.

registration was fairly easy.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Yeah, you really can’t go by my memory at all. I vaguely remember explicitly not doing India because of the large number of legitimate users here who come from there, but I wasn’t sure.

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I definitely didn't mean to sound prejudiced. The problem is these posts just sound so fake. It's almost like someone is getting paid to comment. Hmmmm. Where in the world do people get paid to troll, I mean comment on websites? In the US with a minimum wage of $8 an hour or in a part of the world with a wage of 15 cents an hour? This is not rocket science. You be the judge:

"Mail is horrible at time. Taking 3-5 seconds to open a new mail message and just pausing for 5+ seconds for now reason. Scrolling is an issue when Mail goes dumb for a while. This update can't come soon enough. "

"It takes 10-15 seconds for folders to load even though I'm having SSD drive only. Yes update can't come soon enough."


"Just yesterday I had trouble sending file getting false message saying over size limit when file was 5.7 mb! Yes update can't come soon enough."
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