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Google have consistently proven they are the smartest guys in the room.

 

Smart and shrewd are two different things. Shrewd has slight connotations of being sneaky, which I think is a better fit to describe Google.

 

 

Definition of shrewd (adj)

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shrewd
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  1. good at judging people or situations: showing or possessing intelligence, insight, and sound judgment, especially in business or politics
  2. clever and probably accurate: based on good judgment and probably correct
  3. crafty: inclined to deal with others in a clever underhanded way
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    I'd add the word brazen to describe them, also.

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post #82 of 152

No, they purchased the patents fair and square. They are simply asserting the patent rights that Nortel couldn't due to bankrupcy. They are also asserting other intellectual property that Google and these manufacturers are infringing on a wholesale, global level.

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Smart and shrewd are two different things. Shrewd has slight connotations of being sneaky, which I think is a better fit to describe Google.

 

 

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shrewd
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  1. good at judging people or situations: showing or possessing intelligence, insight, and sound judgment, especially in business or politics
  2. clever and probably accurate: based on good judgment and probably correct
  3. crafty: inclined to deal with others in a clever underhanded way

I'd add the word brazen to describe them, also.

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I agree with that number three description.

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If you own intellectual property and you don't enforce it, you stand to lose it. In other words, it has less to do with if they are slime or not and more to do with the fact that they need to enforce what they own.  It's like if you own a piece of property and you neglect it and someone else comes and builds a house on it.  They can claim squatter's rights (in some countries) since the owner was not defending the property. Rockstar is asserting their ownership of the properties.

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They bought a patent portfolio they didn't need to sue a competitor that's beating them in multiple markets....
In market share perhaps. In PROFIT SHARE however Apple remains comfortably ahead.
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If you own intellectual property and you don't enforce it, you stand to lose it. In other words, it has less to do with if they are slime or not and more to do with the fact that they need to enforce what they own.  It's like if you own a piece of property and you neglect it and someone else comes and builds a house on it.  They can claim squatter's rights (in some countries) since the owner was not defending the property. Rockstar is asserting their ownership of the properties.

 

 

And if you bought that IP specifically to patent troll a competitor beating you in multiple markets, you are a patent troll. 

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They bought a patent portfolio they didn't need to sue a competitor that's beating them in multiple markets. Lets stop pretending Apple aren't slime ok? You sound ridiculous defending their unethical practices. 

 

 

Two wrongs don't make a right but slime is also Eric Schmidt completely changing the UI of Android after he, while on the Apple BoD, saw how much better iOS was compared to the (current, at the time) direction Google was taking with Android.

 

Apple got burnt once by loaning Macintoshes to Bill Gates, after which Microsoft developed the GUI version of Windows, completely copying the GUI of the Mac OS. Apple lost the "Look and feel" lawsuit that came from that incident so now they are covering their asses. Apple now know they can't sue Google for stealing the look and feel of iOS but they can sue for the IP used within it....which Apple (and their Rockstar partners) now own.

 

Google had their fair chance of owning the patents ......but blew it.

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In market share perhaps. In PROFIT SHARE however Apple remains comfortably ahead.

 

 

Well, other than Samsung beating them in profits two quarters in a row. And being behind. Other than reality, yeah. 

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Let the courts decide who owns what.

 

By the way, has it been determined if they are seeking damages and if so how much? A patent troll tends to use their patents purely for financial gain whereas the consortium may simply desire the offending intellectual property to be removed.  If a company has been using stolen property to create an unfair advantage over competitors, then it needs to be addressed.  Google had the chance to purchase this property and let it drop.  It's sounding like they should have invested their stockpile into this patent collection and not Motorola.

 

Again, let the courts decide. If Google has prior art and/or patents that contradict the Nortel patents, then good for them and the fight is over.  If they've built a business and marketshare on stolen property, and continue to do so, then shame on them and their shareholders.

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They bought a patent portfolio they didn't need to sue a competitor that's beating them in multiple markets. 

 

They weren't beating them at the time Rockstar was awarded the patents after winning the auction that Google was bidding, also. If anything, you should be pissed at Google for not buying and owning the IP and the very patents that are core to their business....while they were up for grabs. It's not like they didn't have the money. 

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Every time I hear this Apple Fan Fiction I cringe, because I know people actually believe this nonsense. 

Explain what is fiction. History is fiction?

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If you own intellectual property and you don't enforce it, you stand to lose it. In other words, it has less to do with if they are slime or not and more to do with the fact that they need to enforce what they own.  It's like if you own a piece of property and you neglect it and someone else comes and builds a house on it.  They can claim squatter's rights (in some countries) since the owner was not defending the property.

You're describing trademark rights and not patents. You don't "lose" patents if you don't enforce them.
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Let the courts decide who owns what.

 

By the way, has it been determined if they are seeking damages and if so how much? A patent troll tends to use their patents purely for financial gain whereas the consortium may simply desire the offending intellectual property to be removed.  If a company has been using stolen property to create an unfair advantage over competitors, then it needs to be addressed.  Google had the chance to purchase this property and let it drop.  It's sounding like they should have invested their stockpile into this patent collection and not Motorola.

 

Again, let the courts decide. If Google has prior art and/or patents that contradict the Nortel patents, then good for them and the fight is over.  If they've built a business and marketshare on stolen property, and continue to do so, then shame on them and their shareholders.

 

And that would be why wallstreet didn't care. This right here. This is going to end up costing Apple and company tens of billions of dollars, and they'll lose. 

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By the way, has it been determined if they are seeking damages and if so how much? A patent troll tends to use their patents purely for financial gain whereas the consortium may simply desire the offending intellectual property to be removed.  If a company has been using stolen property to create an unfair advantage over competitors, then it needs to be addressed.  Google had the chance to purchase this property and let it drop.  It's sounding like they should have invested their stockpile into this patent collection and not Motorola.

Again, let the courts decide. If Google has prior art and/or patents that contradict the Nortel patents, then good for them and the fight is over.  If they've built a business and marketshare on stolen property, and continue to do so, then shame on them and their shareholders.

Rockstar exists solely to monetize patents for the maximum possible return. It does them no good to hold them back from the market. They don't have any products to protect. This is all about money while negatively impacting Apple/Microsoft competitors if they can.
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HISTORY??? It's a tech fairy tale. Like the one about Apple stealing Mac OS from PARC. Just those with tiny minds want to believe it. 

I'm glad we agree that Apple didn't steal from PARC. 

 

This is not fairy tale...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but in the mid-80s Apple loaned a few Macs to Microsoft so they could write software for the Macintosh OS. Soon after, Microsoft released a very similar looking GUI OS called........Windows 3.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Windows 2.0 was released in December 1987 and was more popular than its predecessor. It features several improvements to the user interface and memory management.[citation needed] Windows 2.03 changed the OS from tiled windows to overlapping windows. The result of this change led to Apple Computer filing a suit against Microsoft alleging infringement on Apple's copyrights.[7][8] Windows 2.0 also introduced more sophisticated keyboard shortcuts and could make use of expanded memory.

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And that would be why wallstreet didn't care. This right here. This is going to end up costing Apple and company tens of billions of dollars, and they'll lose. 

So if you know they'll lose, why are you arguing? Just go away and allow us to relish in our Apple Fan Fiction. According to you we will eventually be licking our wounds once Rockstar loses sooooo....bye.

 

(How's that, TS?)

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post #97 of 152
I'm so sick of this waste of resources. The whole patent system needs to be utterly wiped out and started fresh with some really strict limitations on what's patentable.
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So if you know they'll lose, why are you arguing? Just go away and allow us to relish in our Apple Fan Fiction. According to you we will eventually be licking our wounds once Rockstar loses sooooo....bye.

 

(How's that, TS?)

 

I like it; it’s not often they have a comeback to the “if you know you’re right, why are you arguing” bit.

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post #99 of 152
The more some people post, the more desperate they look.
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Wow. So Apple and Microsoft are just pathetic patent trolls now. They actually set up a Patent Holding Company to Patent Troll Google. That wreaks of desperation. I remember when Apple had ethics.

Well, at least you can remember a time when Apple had ethics. I can't remember a time when you can say that about Google. And I can remember back when Yahoo was the biggest search engine.  

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How is Rockstar Consortium any different except for a couple of the players?

Are the patents Rockstar are trying to prevent on behalf of their clients in use by any of their clients? What does Lodsys or MOSAID produce or defensd on behalf of any client's products?
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And if you bought that IP specifically to patent troll a competitor beating you in multiple markets, you are a patent troll. 

Well you know what they say, "fight fire with fire".
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It looks as tho at least one of the patents Rockstar is asserting against HTC, Samsung and others could be Standard-Essential, #6,128,298. So much for some of the the "fair licensing" arguments made here if it is.
http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/653/

The Standard (re: RFC-3022) that Nortel's document points to is this one:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/workprog/wp_a5_out.aspx?isn=1425

 

Er, nothing you have said disproves anything about the 'fair licensing' argument.  An SEP must be licensed under fair and equitable terms and must not be used to blackmail the competition into letting you steal their stuff – which is what Samsung attempted to do.

 

Now, is the RockStar consortium refusing to license the patents under fair and equitable terms?

 

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 Fast forward to Halloween 2013. Apparently the Rockstar Consortium's efforts to subsequently negotiate patent license deals with Google and the wider Android ecosystem have been unsuccessful because at least eight Rockstar lawsuits were filed in the Eastern District of Texas: separate actions against Google, Samsung, Huawei, ZTE, LG, HTC, Pantech, and ASUSTeK. I don't know what happened in those negotiations, but maybe Google was a sore loser and tried to defy logic

 

http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/11/failed-44-billion-bid-for-nortel.html

 

Having watched Samsung having its head handed back to it in courts across the world, I'd be surprised if the Rockstar consortium would try the same tactic. It looks like Samsung, Google et al were offered terms, but refused them.

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Thermonuclear Baby!

 

Yes, this looks very serious indeed folks...  

A very nice revenue stream for the RockStar members...

This makes BlackBerry more valuable too.

 

Boom There it is !


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Yes, this looks very serious indeed folks...  
A very nice revenue stream for the RockStar members...
This makes BlackBerry more valuable too.

There's some indication that Blackberry has also chosen not to be involved with Rockstar Consortium. The investors may be down to four and gone even deeper into patent privatization, partnering with another NPE named Spherix. I hope Apple hasn't decided sleeping with Microsoft and attacking other businesses via trollish proxies is a good new business model for them, a "force for good in the world". Maybe the group will pare down to three with Apple dropping out, satisfied with ownership of 1000+ Nortel patents and licensee to all of them.

One other curious note. Rockstar's '298 patent that's being asserted against Samsung, HTC, Asus and others is listed as available to purchase outright, stated to be perhaps more valuable to others more so than Rockstar. 1confused.gif
http://www.ip-rockstar.com/documents/Rockstar_Winter_2012_Catalogue.pdf
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Er, nothing you have said disproves anything about the 'fair licensing' argument.  An SEP must be licensed under fair and equitable terms and must not be used to blackmail the competition into letting you steal their stuff – which is what Samsung attempted to do.

Now, is the RockStar consortium refusing to license the patents under fair and equitable terms?


http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/11/failed-44-billion-bid-for-nortel.html

Having watched Samsung having its head handed back to it in courts across the world, I'd be surprised if the Rockstar consortium would try the same tactic. It looks like Samsung, Google et al were offered terms, but refused them.

In every patent suit it's assumed that the patent holder tried to reach agreement with "the infringer" but couldn't. Every patent holder will claim they made fair offers too. That doesn't mean that they made any serious effort or that the offer was really fair to both parties. Using the same Florian logic makes Apple a willful serial infringer many times over. Every inventor, competitor or troll that sues them claims Apple either refused to negotiate or turned down their good-faith offer.

Remember this recent AI thread?
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/159241/patent-trolls-hit-apple-with-171-lawsuits-in-last-5-years
Each one of those 171 "trolls" said it was Apple's fault and all they're doing is protecting their IP.
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Are the patents Rockstar are trying to prevent on behalf of their clients in use by any of their clients? What does Lodsys or MOSAID produce or defensd on behalf of any client's products?

Rockstar produces the same types and number of products as Lodsys and MOSAID and all three have the same general business model.
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One other curious note. Rockstar's '298 patent that's being asserted against Samsung, HTC, Asus and others is listed as available to purchase outright, stated to be perhaps more valuable to others more so than Rockstar. 1confused.gif
http://www.ip-rockstar.com/documents/Rockstar_Winter_2012_Catalogue.pdf

More than likely, terms for a permanent license of unlimited usage, covering any previous infringement, not the sale of the patent itself. Samsung would be a good case for this type of license.

 

Edit; It looks on closer inspection to be that the patent(s) may be encumbered with various licensees. A purchase for the right party might be a tool in negotiations against another party, but wouldn't affect existing licensees.


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There's some indication that Blackberry has also chosen not to be involved with Rockstar Consortium. The investors may be down to four and gone even deeper into patent privatization, partnering with another NPE named Spherix. I hope Apple hasn't decided sleeping with Microsoft and attacking other businesses via trollish proxies is a good new business model for them, a "force for good in the world". Maybe the group will pare down to three with Apple dropping out, satisfied with ownership of 1000+ Nortel patents and licensee to all of them.

One other curious note. Rockstar's '298 patent that's being asserted against Samsung, HTC, Asus and others is listed as available to purchase outright, stated to be perhaps more valuable to others more so than Rockstar. 1confused.gif
http://www.ip-rockstar.com/documents/Rockstar_Winter_2012_Catalogue.pdf

 

BlackBerry would be very foolish to drop out considering that they are the second largest contributor to the $4.5 Billion purchase.

 

Apple   $2.6 Billion or 58% of the $4.5 Billion purchase

BlackBerry  $770 million

Ericsson  $340 million

Microsoft, Sony, EMC $800 Million

 

I don't think this is trollish at all.  

They spent $4.5 billion for the patents, and as publicly traded companies, they are obligated to make the most of the patents.

Remember how after Google paid $12 Billion for Motorola, they were passing patents to HTC, Samsung and others so they could sue Apple indirectly.  I think this lawsuit is most certainly fair game and this is a big deal.

 

The patents are as follows:

6,098,065

7,236,969

7,469,245

7,672,970

7,895,178

7,895,183

7,933,883


Edited by AppleSauce007 - 11/2/13 at 6:07am
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Wow. So Apple and Microsoft are just pathetic patent trolls now. They actually set up a Patent Holding Company to Patent Troll Google. That wreaks of desperation. I remember when Apple had ethics.

So it is desperate to exercise rights to patents you paid 4 billion dollars for? Geez. What is the difference if Apple and Microsoft sue Google and company directly. This approach is smarter. Google can't try to stall things by counter suing.
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So it is desperate to exercise rights to patents you paid 4 billion dollars for? Geez. What is the difference if Apple and Microsoft sue Google and company directly. This approach is smarter. Google can't try to stall things by counter suing.

This raises an interesting question. By acting through a shell company one avoids countersuits but also weakens one's hand. Since Rockstar claims to be acting independently of Apple and Microsoft and does not produce any product of its own, how would one calculate damages? The factor of lost profits would seem hard to apply here. The absence of product would also make an injunction harder to justify:

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In 2006, the Supreme Court in eBay Inc. v. Mercexchange, L.L.C., 547 U.S. 388 (2006), reiterated the traditional four-factor test for obtaining a permanent injunction....

A plaintiff must demonstrate: (1) that it has suffered an irreparable injury; (2) that remedies available at law, such as monetary damages, are inadequate to compensate for that injury; (3) that, considering the balance of hardships between the plaintiff and defendant, a remedy in equity is warranted; and (4) that the public interest would not be disserved by a permanent injunction. (http://dritoday.org/feature.aspx?id=318)


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I don't think this is trollish at all.  
They spent $4.5 billion for the patents, and as publicly traded companies, they are obligated to make the most of the patents.

I'm not aware of Google serving any patents to Samsung. They did transfer ownership of 9 to HTC (some from Palm and Openwave and others Moto) after Apple had sued them IIRC, Perhaps those patents were so solid they're what prompted Apple to forge a full patent licensing agreement with HTC? That might be my guess. Maybe instead of giving them to HTC Google would have been even better off placing them with a "troll" for monetization.1hmm.gif

Anyway, since you believe Google paid $12B for MM's patents you then feel they must be remiss by not copying Apple's patent privatization plans and arming their own NPE with several thousand patents? Seems to be your suggestion Google isn't doing what's best for the company if they don't.
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To Gatorguy:

 

Why are you trying to bring SEP's into the mix and claim Rockstar is doing something bad? Even if some of the patents are SEP's, who cares? There's nothing wrong with a NPE suing someone over SEP's if their previous negotiations have failed. Let the court decide a reasonable rate to pay. This is what happened to Motorola/MS and will soon happen with Samsung/Apple.

 

What's wrong is if a NPE seeks an injunction. This is unfair as there's no way someone could seek an injunction against them since they don't sell any products.

 

Do you have any proof that Rockstar is seeking injunctions? Or are they just suing to let a court decide license fees and infringement (which is 100% acceptable, SEP or not)?

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To Gatorguy:

Why are you trying to bring SEP's into the mix and claim Rockstar is doing something bad? Even if some of the patents are SEP's, who cares? There's nothing wrong with a NPE suing someone over SEP's if their previous negotiations have failed. Let the court decide a reasonable rate to pay. This is what happened to Motorola/MS and will soon happen with Samsung/Apple.

What's wrong is if a NPE seeks an injunction. This is unfair as there's no way someone could seek an injunction against them since they don't sell any products.

Do you have any proof that Rockstar is seeking injunctions? Or are they just suing to let a court decide license fees and infringement (which is 100% acceptable, SEP or not)?

I'm not claiming Rockstar is doing anything wrong. They're doing just what an NPE is supposed to do. I would say tho that Tim Cook and Apple are being just as disingenuous and probably more so than Google, Nokia, Microsoft or any of the other big techs when it comes to IP. He complains about NPE's, aka "patent trolls", to the President while at the same time arming them behind the scenes. Not even Google does that, and while Nokia and Microsoft do at least they don't then complain about them and beg for help from Congress and the President.

If Rockstar was funded by Google I can imagine your outrage. No actually I can't, as it would probably be off the charts.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/06/tim-cook-complained-about-patent-trolls-in-may-and-today-president-obama-called-on-congress-to-assist-us-tech-companies.html
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You seem to live in a fantasy world & consistently contradict yourself. You consistently talk out of both sides of your ass.

 

I'm not claiming Rockstar is doing anything wrong (BS disclaimer). They're doing just what an NPE is supposed to do. I would say tho that Tim Cook and Apple are being just as disingenuous and probably more so than Google, Nokia, Microsoft or any of the other big techs when it comes to IP. He complains about NPE's, aka "patent trolls", to the President while at the same time arming them behind the scenes. Not even Google does that, and while Nokia and Microsoft do at least they don't then complain about them and beg for help from Congress and the President.

If Rockstar was funded by Google I can imagine your outrage. No actually I can't, as it would probably be off the charts.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/06/tim-cook-complained-about-patent-trolls-in-may-and-today-president-obama-called-on-congress-to-assist-us-tech-companies.html
Edited by Gatorguy - Today at 2:32 pm What total BS.

 

FROM YOU"RE LINK - Obama also asked Congress to pass legislation providing incentives for patent-owning companies to make their licensing fee demand letters public, and to allow district court judges more discretion in awarding attorney's fees as a sanction for abusive patent lawsuits. Congress should also require companies that send demand letters, file infringement lawsuits or seek a patent review by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to file updated ownership information, allowing transparency about who is bringing those actions, Obama said.

Of course,  this applies to all companies including Apple. So WTF are you talking about. You seem to be trying to say that Apple somehow asked for special treatment? When in fact the same laws would apply to Apple, Rockstar or your lover Google?
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I'm not claiming Rockstar is doing anything wrong. They're doing just what an NPE is supposed to do. I would say tho that Tim Cook and Apple are being just as disingenuous and probably more so than Google, Nokia, Microsoft or any of the other big techs when it comes to IP. He complains about NPE's, aka "patent trolls", to the President while at the same time arming them behind the scenes. Not even Google does that, and while Nokia and Microsoft do at least they don't then complain about them and beg for help from Congress and the President.

If Rockstar was funded by Google I can imagine your outrage. No actually I can't, as it would probably be off the charts.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/06/tim-cook-complained-about-patent-trolls-in-may-and-today-president-obama-called-on-congress-to-assist-us-tech-companies.html

 

Nothing changes with you, does it? First off, I don't get angry when something in the tech world happens that I disagree with. That's what the haters do, and I'm not a hater of anyone or any company.

 

The problem with you is you like to paint things as black and white so you can then place Apple into a category you choose (in this case, patent troll). In the real world (which you like to ignore) nothing is ever so black and white.

 

Here are a few facts for you to consider:

 

- Google/Motorola abuse patents.

- Samsung abuse patents.

- Apple DOES NOT abuse patents.

 

In fact, Google/Motorola and Samsung are the worst of the tech companies, by far. Proven in court.

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At any time I will have one device sitting on my table. Some of us don't encumber ourselves needlessly with 15 particular vendors because we are idiots, or because we have no attention span demands that we imagine ourselves proficient in all the popular eco systems.
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I'm not claiming Rockstar is doing anything wrong. They're doing just what an NPE is supposed to do. I would say tho that Tim Cook and Apple are being just as disingenuous and probably more so than Google, Nokia, Microsoft or any of the other big techs when it comes to IP. He complains about NPE's, aka "patent trolls", to the President while at the same time arming them behind the scenes. Not even Google does that, and while Nokia and Microsoft do at least they don't then complain about them and beg for help from Congress and the President.

If Rockstar was funded by Google I can imagine your outrage. No actually I can't, as it would probably be off the charts.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/06/tim-cook-complained-about-patent-trolls-in-may-and-today-president-obama-called-on-congress-to-assist-us-tech-companies.html

Why are you so upset that some competitors of Google pooled their money to acquire some patents and then enforce them? The owners of Rockstar are practicing entities. Just because Rockstar is a separate entity from Apple, you're giving Apple/Cook grief? That's kinda lame IMHO.

 

You should instead be giving grief to Google for having made a $4.4B offer for the Rockstar patent portfolio that it now claims is worthless. That's unquestionably disingenuous... and will come to bite them in the @ss.:smokey:

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EMC more than likely received some patents that were storage or networking related, that didn't go to the current Rockstar. They may have been in it for the patents, not the settlements and royalties.
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