Originally Posted by akqies
It's interesting how people like you can factor one half of the equation that fits their desire for making everything cheap to the point of offering no profit (and even a loss) for a for-profit company, but never factor in other costs that a full PC vendor has to consider.
You can always tell when someone has no argument, when they resort to attacking the person rather than what they're saying. No one is saying that Apple should make everything "cheap to the point of offering no profit" (as if Apple of all companies would ever be close enough to that line that simply making 8 GB the baseline would push them over it). Try responding to the actual message once rather than the messenger.
For instance, Apple has to do more testing on the RAM they buy because if they sell a system that doesn't run it's the whole Mac that is faulty but if G.Skill sells bad RAM it's just the RAM. These are completely different businesses. Then there are Apples support structures that are the same. Have you ever and to get your RAM replaced by a RAM vendor and by Apple? With a company like G.Skill you get to go to their site, look for their support pages, find a page on a replacement, fill out the form and submit the request, often print a physical form to ship into them, hunt down your receipt from Newegg, print it out, find a box, transcribe the correct address for a shipping label, PAY FOR THE SHIPPING LABEL, and (oh yeah) remove the RAM from the device which often involves you testing which stick is bad via trail-and-error before you go through all this trouble.
G.Skill sucks. I'm not disputing that. In fact, I kind of mentioned it in my post. I didn't get a good brand link for the 2 GBx2 (4 GB total) modules because I couldn't even find
any by decent brands, although there were plenty of brands for 4 GB x 2 (8 GB total) modules. This alone should tell you something about the utility of having 4 GB total RAM in 2013.
For some bizarre reason you think that Apple creates their profit margins and price points based on other components, but not BTO options, and you think that Apple doesn't consider their entire product line and what buyers will likely buy when considering average sales across a line. It should be obvious to anyone with any experience in business or even basic classes in economics, but I think it should be self-evident to the average person how pricing structures work and why entry-level pricing gives those buyers a benefit in the pricing margin if such items fit your needs.
Have you tried using a machine with just 4 GB of RAM and integrated graphics? I have just recently, on a friend's machine which was running so dog slow that it was a ~30 second wait just to change from one app to another, with all the paging. What apps did she have open? Chrome, Mail, Calendar, Preview, and Word. This is not an out-of-the-ordinary workflow. 4 GB is not
enough to fit anyone's needs, although many non-technical users might not realize this, and end up with buyer's remorse (I've seen plenty of this too).
Originally Posted by Doumeki
Good use of Google there my friend, still not sure why you keep making silly connections to try back up your faulty argument. Lets be honest earlier you didn't even know the RAM was soldered onto the board, now with 5 minutes Google work your back with a few links that you don't really understand.
Seriously? You think I didn't know the RAM was soldered? What the hell do you think this argument's even about? The whole point
is that since Apple solders these things and you can't upgrade them, they need to provide reasonable baselines for the computers to be usable. 4 GB is not
an acceptable amount of RAM for a computer that you can't upgrade, simple as that.
Apple actually has a history of never providing enough RAM in their machines going all the way back to the first one, but you've never heard me complain about it, since from the Mac Plus on, the RAM's always been on sockets, and it's always been relatively inexpensive to upgrade to something decent. It's always been part of the standard procedure when buying a Mac that you buy a RAM upgrade from MacWarehouse (in the 90s), or Newegg (today) at the same time and upgrade early on. Hell, Apple could literally sell me one of those machines with zero RAM at all in it and I wouldn't mind, since the RAM that comes with it has always been immediately filed away in the closet, never to be used again.
Read! It's not that hard, I promise!
Congrats for finding out that Micron is the parent company of Crucial, that means what now? Audi Volkswagen and Skoda are the same group essentially, does that mean all the cars they produce are of the same quality? The fact that you happened to pick Crucial RAM, that happens to be linked to Micron means honestly nothing to me.
What it means is that the Crucial RAM DIMMs that I priced are the closest you can get to what's in the retina MacBook Pros that you can find on the mass market.
BTW, Micron isn't the "parent company" of Crucial, Crucial is the name of Micron's consumer brand. Crucial isn't "linked" to Micron, it is
Micron RAM. Try to go on Newegg and find RAM that's just branded Micron, because you won't. If you want Micron, you buy Crucial. It's what it is. It's not like Audi/Skoda at all. It's the same stuff, it's just in a different form factor.
It's not cheaper than what Apple's using; if anything, it's probably more
expensive to attach it to a connector that can be installed by the end user than it is just to ship the plain silicon for someone to solder.
Also: Crucial does test the hell out of their RAM, which is what sets them apart from budget brands (like G.Skill). It's great RAM, and Apple is right to use it. It's what I've been using for about decade. But it's not high-end server RAM. Look, the soldered RAM Apple's using is the exact same RAM, model number and all, as the Chromecast uses. Do you think the Chromecast is using high-end server RAM? Come on.
Try reading what people write before responding to them in the future, okay? It's better for everyone in the long run.