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It has been said many times before that the reason why iPhone 5s is short on stock is because they weren't able to keep up with the production of the touch ID components...

I don't believe that, though.
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post #82 of 170

Mine's on it's way from Apple. As I have only owned the iPad 'Classic' since day one I expect I'm in for a shock. I may need to lie down for a while after five minutes ... :wow:

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And the iPad 7 is going to be better than the iPad 6, but so what?

The iPad 3 was the best product I've ever owned. In any category. I literally loved it. Each year the best product I've ever owned is the iPad that replaces it. I don't own an iPad Air, but that's for financial reasons. But if I did it would be the best product I've ever owned.

Having said that, no product is perfect. I can think of a number if areas of improvement even with Apple products. Now, where I see the iPad going next with iPad 6 I see it heading much closer to my current ideals for perfection in a tablet. My main gripe with iPad 3 was weight. Now we've got a significant weight reduction and that rocks!

Here are the areas I expect iPad 6 to improve upon iPad 5:

Improved display
8MP camera
802.11ac
Touch ID
A8

The iPad Air is a great product, but the next version of it next year will be it reaching a sort of point of no return where it begins to come closer to the 'perfect' product. If Apple can manage to make the A8 more efficient than the A7 we could see the iPad 6 shed even more weight! That would be amazing.

After that one more area where the iPad needs improvement is improved speakers. I know eventually iPad Air will reach my current ideal of perfect with regards tablet computers, but it's not there just yet. For example, I think the MacBook Air is closer to being the perfect laptop computer than iPad Air is the perfect tablet. We're getting there though.

There's your answer.
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And the iPad 7 is going to be better than the iPad 6, but so what?

We live in the here and now, and the iPad Air is killer. What good does an iPad 6 do anybody today? Nothing, that's what.

I prefer to enjoy the present, and I'll enjoy the future too, when that time comes. 

Meanwhile, the procrastinating dude who's always waiting around for the next version might get hit by a bus tomorrow, and they'll never get to enjoy their hypothetical iPad 6, which might be available in 12 months from now. 

If money was no issue for me I'd own an iPad Air. Sadly, it's because I do live in the here and now that I must live with that reality.
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I mean come on. Having 2 programs side by side makes sense the same as true multitasking that Apple recently implemented. .

Why do you need programs to run side by side? It's much more efficient to utilize the entire screen for whatever task you're working on. Even on my 27" iMac I use full screen mode whenever I'm in Pages, Pixelmator, or Xcode. I mean,come on, what's the point of having a large screen if you're not going to use it? It's a simple swipe to move from one application to another.
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post #86 of 170
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I'm loving my Air except Safari does crash from time to time. I don't have issues with any other browsers or apps so maybe it's a Safari issue, not hardware.

Yeah it's a software bug memory leak. iOS 7 has quite a number of remaining bugs at this point. Even Safari on Mav is quite buggy.
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post #87 of 170
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This is usually down to bad typing. You should reset the keyboard dictionary in Settings and start typing more slowly and deliberately.

Actually , you can turn off that feature if you wish.


I don't like it because sometimes I type in the word correctly but it puts in another correctly typed word unless i can press that little tiny 'x', so I would prefer it done a little differently.

 

www.apple.com/feedback

 

That way they hear the same thing from other people. I've submitted that complaint/suggestion but I guess they are either still working on a better solution OR they haven't heard enough complaints.  So as far as I'm concerned, that's probably the biggest complaints I have that hasn't been changed.

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Yeah it's a software bug memory leak. iOS 7 has quite a number of remaining bugs at this point. Even Safari on Mav is quite buggy.

I think part of it a Java related bug. I turned off Java in Safari.  That seems to have worked at least so far.

post #89 of 170
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Originally Posted by akqies 
These are certainly things I will want to see but how exactly do you expect the display to be improved. Surely you aren't saying they will double the resolution again.

Contrast and colour. They tend to improve quite a bit over the years on iOS devices, because every year the technology evolves somehow, even if just in the efficiency department.
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Originally Posted by Brangi920 View Post

I just got my ipad air tonight and I have to say what a difference, this thing is a whole new experience, it's not heavy in the hand nod it feels awesome!!!!its very snappy too what an improvement!!!1biggrin.gif
It's been a long wait for an ipad update but the wait was well worth it!

You upgraded from?
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3) Battery life. Quite a bit better but not to the extent I'd like. I'd rather an iPad that was twice as heavy if it had twice the battery life!! (I feel like I'm a voice in the wilderness on this one. Does no one feel likewise?)

Absolutely no one I'd say. The lighter the better. 10 hours is good battery life. Sure, 15 hours would be better, but if that means adding weight then no one would chose that option. Twice as heavy? You're crazy.
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Hone your skills bro! More thn obviouse !

 

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Don't forget to post a copy of your receipt before you go...

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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Can't help but notice that you left without posting your receipt. How conveeenient, as The Churchlady used to say.

 

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Originally Posted by LarryA View Post
 

Yes, I would be interested in seeing your receipt.

 
 

First, here is a picture of my receipt.  Now that we have that out of the way…

 

 

“The air is nice”

Means the air is nice.  The adjective “nice” is almost universally considered a positive comment.

 

“but let's be honest the iOS7 is choppy on this device

I should have been more clear. This is a knock on iOS7 and not the Air.  Clearly the Air is fast based on the benchmarks, but I don’t notice much difference in day to day use compared to my iPad 4. 

 

I should have said that many of the animations are choppy on this device for example:

1.     Double click the home button for multitasking and the animation usually drops a couple of frames

2.     Use the 4 finger gesture to return to the home screen and again iOS7 stutters on the Air

These same issues also present themselves in my iPhone 5s (and I am not providing a receipt for this).

 

“1GB of ram is a huge disservice. I can barely get 5 tabs on Safari without a refresh.

If you read many of the reviews people are complaining about Safari refresh usually around 6-8 tabs.  For whatever reason I get 5-6 at best.  I consider this a problem in a state of the art device. 

 

Why would I want to programs side by side?

Have you ever wanted to check airline times and simultaneously write an iMessage with the data in it? 

Respond to a message while reading an email?

I don’t always need 2 programs side by side, but there are times that it would be great and I see no reason as to why I can’t with a 9.7” screen.

 

I know its probably hard to believe but I can buy and enjoy Apple products, own stock in the company, but also be critical at times when warranted.  


Edited by drew0020 - 11/4/13 at 5:23am
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@Ireland, The lighter the better? Even at the expense of battery life? Because, make no mistake, that is exactly what you're suggesting we compromise on.

If I got 10 hours out of it, then maybe I'd be happy with the battery on the Air. As it is — and I admit it's only been three days of usage— I'm getting a few hours less than that. No, I reckon I often need around 15 *claimed* hours & for that I'd be happy to lug around a 50% heavier iPad.
Edited by reinthal - 11/4/13 at 6:18am
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... The iPad Air is a great product, but the next version of it next year will be it reaching a sort of point of no return where it begins to come closer to the 'perfect' product.

 

Of course, every year every product should get closer to the mythical 'perfect product'. It never will be a perfect product of course because there's no company that will ever let you be content with what you have including Apple. As someone once wrote: "No matter how loudly the business-as-usual bells chime, we cannot silence that quiet voice within that asks how a system dependent on lack of satisfaction could ever lead to satisfaction".

 

Prepare yourself to always be wanting version xx.

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Another reason there might not be a touch option is the fact that an iPad is more of a family device rather than a single-person device like a phone. Right now you can only store five fingerprints. That would be a real tight limit in a family of four or more. I wouldn't turn it on unless there were at least 15 prints that could be stored. The next step of course would be user profiles so when my son used his finger, it would limit the apps that could be used, etc.

 

THIS, is genius.  Common sense maybe, but genius nonetheless.  I wonder if this capability exists through the 4-digit password.  My seven year could get one, my 5 year old could get one, and the parents get one.  Apps shown for each.

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I've become real close to boycotting Apple and pulling the Apple logo's off my car. I refuse to buy any Apple iPad or iPhone with a touch ID sensor. Pros: There should not be one. Police state 5.0 Thank you Snowden
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Originally Posted by runbuh View Post

There are Android smartphones with 802.11ac (HTC One, for example), but who knows how good they are.

 

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Originally Posted by akqies View Post
Be careful with those pithy replies. Someone could take you literally to mean 802.11ac chips don't exist at all or for any mobile device. The fact is they simply aren't at a level that are up to par for Apple, just like with Apple and LTE chips which they knocked out of the park with LTE that matched their 3G power usage. AnandTech shows that the iPad Air's MIMO 802.11n is faster than a lot of devices that are using 802.11ac.

 

Bingo. Knew I should have edited to clarify; this is exactly what I mean.

 

Originally Posted by G-News View Post
Fifth generation Air? Last time it checked, this was the first generation Air. Or the fifth generation iPad, if you will.

 

I just keep being right.

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The Air is nice but let's be honest the iOS7 is choppy on this device. The multitasking still sucks and again is choppy, the lack of 2 apps side by side is again a major short coming and 1GB of ram is a huge disservice. I can barely get 5 tabs on Safari without a refresh.

I realize if this was Microsoft people would be up in arms and rightfully so, but because it's Apple things are acceptable as always. The fact that 16GB is still priced at $499 which is woefully inadequate these days makes
me laugh even more.

I'm sure the apologists will bash this post but I don't expect much from Appleijsider these days (I feel like they are paid Apple shills).

 

Not a paid Apple shill but -- did you get a defective product twice? I've got a first gen iPad and I never noticed sluggishness, and I can have more than 5 tabs --- though I don't like having to refresh so much.

 

The product specs on this are; "the Air put in a single-core score of 1,483 and multi-core score of 2,690. This compares to the current A5 Gen. 2-powered iPad mini, which managed single- and multi-core scores of 262 and 496"

 

OK, so the 2nd gen was twice as fast as my first gen and this one is -- 28 times as fast????? So WTF are you talking about? The iOS devices have twice the cock rate devoted to touch response (at 50ms vs 100ms Android) -- and we can presume this device would be slightly better.

 

I'm not presuming that every critique is bogus, but hrm, I wondering why you have such a bad time, and you got this brand new hotness right out of the gate. Do such users exist who get the "new hotness" and then complain about it immediately?

post #99 of 170
I am more excited about this iPad than any since iPad 1. But alas, they have just gotten too expensive for me 1frown.gif On the plus side, I bought a mint iPad 4 64GB w/LTE last week for $460. I fully expect to live vicariously through you-all until someone has to pay rent in a hurry :P
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Originally Posted by stynkfysh View Post
I am more excited about this iPad than any since iPad 1. But alas, they have just gotten too expensive for me

 

They’re the exact same price. EXACT SAME PRICE.

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I've become real close to boycotting Apple and pulling the Apple logo's off my car. I refuse to buy any Apple iPad or iPhone with a touch ID sensor. Pros: There should not be one. Police state 5.0 Thank you Snowden


I'm fairly sure you can TURN OFF the feature. If Apple were sharing data -- they already know basically who owns the phone, so it's not that anonymous with our without the transparent security if using a fingerprint.

 

Yes we should be concerned, but AFAIK Apple doesn't store this data on the server. They do however store SIRI voice requests but that's to make it better over time at voice recognition.

 

Can you 100% trust these companies? No. But Apple is not data mining you to pay for services so they are less likely to share Personally Identifiable Information than companies with an advertising / spam model.

post #102 of 170
I do have different security set up on my iPad than my iPhone., the iPhone used to request a password after five minutes, the iPad after 15. It's the same password on both. Now that I have Touch ID on the phone, I'd prefer the same experience on the iPad. I really like the TouchID and will upgrade my iPad when it becomes available. The Smart Cover is nice, but not as nice as Touch ID
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

 

They’re the exact same price. EXACT SAME PRICE.

 



That reminds me of a joke.

A man walks into a Pizzaria and asks for a medium pizza. The man behind the counter asks how many slices, 6 or 8? The customer says 6, I don't think I can finish 8.
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That memory viewing utility looks cool, I wish the reviewer did more tests with higher end apps with that. Anandtech said the 64 bit apps use about 25-30% more RAM just doing the same things, so with no increase in RAM capacity that worries me a tad. With my 1GB RAM iOS devices it already kicked things out of RAM way more than I wanted. 

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I know its probably hard to believe but I can buy and enjoy Apple products, own stock in the company, but also be critical at times when warranted.  
Okay, will give you the benefit of the doubt on your genuineness. I tried to reproduce some of the behaviors you cite, and I agree, they do exist. But, man, you have to be super-critical to even notice them. Are they a problem or irritant? Not for me—had to be led by the hand to even notice them. As for side-by-side, I have used the iOS 7 implementation of multitasking several times to my benefit. I consider it an improvement. Bottom line, your criticisms are valid, but unusually nit-picky in my opinion. Your rush to negatively characterize the group was self-fulfilling to a large extent. Hope you visit more often but don't come in half-cocked.
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post #106 of 170
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This feels like a completely different device that my previous iPad 3. That's a good thing, not a bad thing. It's also smokin' fast. I'm missing the TouchID (whudda thunk it!?!) from my iPhone on this device. Other than that little niggle, it's about damn near perfect.

I can't wait to replace my 3rd gen iPad with the iPad Air arriving today :D

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@Ireland, The lighter the better? Even at the expense of battery life? Because, make no mistake, that is exactly what you're suggesting we compromise on.

If I got 10 hours out of it, then maybe I'd be happy with the battery on the Air. As it is — and I admit it's only been three days of usage— I'm getting a few hours less than that. No, I reckon I often need around 15 *claimed* hours & for that I'd be happy to lug around a 50% heavier iPad.
Mine came fully charged out of the box on Friday. After setting it up and topping off the charge, here I am on Monday morning with 22%. I use it off an on all day. Nearly always by my side to do email, play games, visit websites, etc. probably won't see the charger until I go to bed tonight, three and one half days after last charge. For my fairly constant punctuated usage I'd say this is pretty darned good. Better than my 3 for sure. Your mileage may vary, but hey …
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post #108 of 170
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@Ireland, The lighter the better? Even at the expense of battery life?

No. I never said that trade off.
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I've become real close to boycotting Apple and pulling the Apple logo's off my car. I refuse to buy any Apple iPad or iPhone with a touch ID sensor. Pros: There should not be one. Police state 5.0 Thank you Snowden

Please remove tinfoil hat before posting.
1. The iPad doesn't have a Touch ID sensor.
2. You don't have to enable it.
3. If you enable it, it doesn't transmit your fingerprint data anywhere.
4. If the Feds wanted your fingerprints, they could get it legally and easily.

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post #110 of 170
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post
 

The iPad 6 (Air 2) is seriously going to kill:

 

Improved display

8MP camera

802.11ac

Touch ID

A8

 

You'll need an excuse not to buy it.

 

Cool.  I'll wait for ipad6 then and pass on ipad5 this time.

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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

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4. If the Feds wanted your fingerprints, they could get it legally and easily.

 

True.  But NSA obtains emails, cell comms, social media posts, etc., all illegally.  What else NSA couldn't do.

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Cool.  I'll wait for ipad6 then and pass on ipad5 this time.

It's hard to resist the Air, but if I had an iPad 3/4 I'd try to wait for iPad 6 too. The iPad is really beginning to come into its own. I think the iPad Air is the true beginning for the iPad. The late 2014 model iPads are going to be absolute beasts!!!
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Just bought an Ipad Air and still have my Ipad 4 that I'm wanted to sell.

 

I don't know if this is specific to the one I bought, but my experience with the Air is not as entirely positive as everyone else.

Of course the weight reduction is great and the thing is beautiful. But I was surprise by the 2 things:
1- The image quality on my Ipad 4 is little bit better (a bit crispier and more beautiful colors).
2- The sound quality on Ipad 4 is also better (and I can feel vibrations through the Air when volume is high).

 

Anybody else experienced the same with the Ipad Air?

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Originally Posted by mountain36 View Post
 

Just bought an Ipad Air and still have my Ipad 4arrow-10x10.png that I'm wanted to sell.

 

I don't know if this is specific to the one I bought, but my experience with the Air is not as entirely positive as everyone else.

Of course the weight reduction is great and the thing is beautiful. But I was surprise by the 2 things:
1- The image quality on my Ipad 4arrow-10x10.png is little bit better (a bit crispier and more beautiful colors).
2- The sound quality on Ipad 4arrow-10x10.png is also better (and I can feel vibrations through the Air when volume is high).

 

Anybody else experienced the same with the Ipad Air?

Thinner isn't always better for sound quality, less space to bounce the sound into itself that creates better mids and lows. Just buy a bluetooth speaker, Bose makes the best I have ever heard. As far as the image quality is concerns, I don't see it, it looks fantastic to me.

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Cool.  I'll wait for ipad6 then and pass on ipad5 this time.

Actually you can keep all of that, I want more memory, iPads been stuck on 1GB of RAM since version 2, inexcusable.

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Back to the real world, Apple's decision to gimp the backlighting is already resulting in a lot of returns due to screen uniformity issues. Fortunately my copy seems to be OK.

 

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1665350

 

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Just got my 128GB slate grey, and in the process of setting up.

It's bloody gorgeous. 1biggrin.gif
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Just got my 128GB slate grey, and in the process of setting up.

It's bloody gorgeous. 1biggrin.gif

I always wonder what people put on such large drives. Even on my MBP 128GB would be more than enough. I do have a home Mac which has 16TB but for my mobile needs I just don't need that much. I suppose if it was my only Mac or only computing device I'd want more.
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I'd rather an iPad that was twice as heavy if it had twice the battery life!! (I feel like I'm a voice in the wilderness on this one. Does no one feel likewise?)

No one, and I repeat no one, wants a heavier tablet.  With the wild success of the light-weight iPad mini, Apple learned that people wanted a light-weight tablet they could hold in one hand and be comfortable doing it.  The brick-weighted iPad was history.  The iPad gaining weight was not the strong selling point.  The iPad Air was the next logical step, not another heavy iPad with the same fat bezel.  10 hours isn't good enough for you?

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