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post #41 of 80
I think we all understand at some point iOS and OSX will effectively merge and all that will matter will be how one chooses to interact with the OS.

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You are going to have to try harder than that to troll.  What Cook clearly, and obviously, said is hybrid devices make neither good tablets or good laptops. 
Hence why Apple won't be making a touch screen laptop. That's what the trackpad is for. Of course in PC land most trackpads suck.
post #43 of 80
Ok, where's Tallest Skil in this thread? People were so ragging on him the other day, and now look what happened. This is one of his favorite topics, and he was one of my favorite sergeants-at-arms with the trolls.
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Ok, where's Tallest Skil in this thread? People were so ragging on him the other day, and now look what happened. This is one of his favorite topics, and he was one of my favorite sergeants-at-arms with the trolls.

I think he took my advice and is "getting some sleep!" He seemed overly "tatty" the last few days! :)

post #45 of 80

Don't everyone get mad....but the future growth is mobile and that means larger iPhones and iPads. Especially, iPads.

 

I think the iPad Pro line will still be running iOS, albeit a more powerful version, but not OSX.

post #46 of 80
Call it the iPad Pro. It is this device that makes me think we will see real operating system features, such as a true file system, emerge in iOS 8 to go with this pro tablet. Other pro features would be 2 GB of RAM, eSATA speed flash memory, virtual memory (which will absolutely scream with fast flash) and a quad core CPU. We got 64 bit in the A7 to give Apple and third party developers a platform to test with iOS 8's pro features when it goes to beta at WWDC 2014. I would not be at all surprised to see a native XCode development system running on this new iPad.
post #47 of 80
" I'm finding it hard to browse websites on my iPhone5, they are too narrow in portrait mode and too shallow in landscape. I also despise the awkward navigation bars that disappear and appear when scrolling, not to mention the annoying controls that come up when I swipe upwards to scroll aarrrgh! "

You can turn off the controls coming up when you swipe upwards in Settings>Control Center.
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Ok, where's Tallest Skil in this thread? People were so ragging on him the other day, and now look what happened. This is one of his favorite topics, and he was one of my favorite sergeants-at-arms with the trolls.

What would his opinion be?
post #49 of 80

Regarding an iPad Pro... perhaps... but it won't be anything like we're trying to dream up in this thread.

 

Oh, and don't even continue with a more powerful iOS just for "pro" devices, Apple will never create such a clusterfuck as there is between Win RT and Win 8. ;-)

 

iOS is going to evolve, no question. But I highly doubt it will get fragmented across various models of the same device category. That'd be insane.

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It has WSJ in it.

nothing to see here folks.

 

This rumor is to make people hesitate on buying an iPad Air.

post #51 of 80
Gotta be over 1.0 pound. And it's just a rumor!

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post #52 of 80
Dudes, this is the 256GB tablet that Woz so badly wants. Although why he lives in a no-broadband area and continues to complain amazes me. Why not just move?

Anyway, the huge iPad for Woz, I think it's clear what it will be called.

The WozPad.
post #53 of 80
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Ok, where's Tallest Skil in this thread? People were so ragging on him the other day, and now look what happened. This is one of his favorite topics, and he was one of my favorite sergeants-at-arms with the trolls.

I think he is currently banned.

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post #54 of 80
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This rumor is to make people hesitate on buying an iPad Air.

How so? Real vs rumor? I chose real.

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post #55 of 80

IMHO it'd be a niche product (like the MacBook Pro 17), but once they've filled the more obvious parts of the product line why not is my reaction. I'd have had more severe doubts before the iPad Air, but that product's weight reduction over earlier design pads means a larger pad wouldn't be prohibitively heavy I expect.

 

I doubt I'd buy it, more likely to go smaller for portability from my iPad Air, but for some a "desktop" iPad could be useful. Somewhat better video viewing?

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Call it the iPad Pro. It is this device that makes me think we will see real operating system features, such as a true file system, emerge in iOS 8 to go with this pro tablet. Other pro features would be 2 GB of RAM, eSATA speed flash memory, virtual memory (which will absolutely scream with fast flash) and a quad core CPU. We got 64 bit in the A7 to give Apple and third party developers a platform to test with iOS 8's pro features when it goes to beta at WWDC 2014. I would not be at all surprised to see a native XCode development system running on this new iPad.

LOL. The iPad has a "true file system." It's just invisible to users.

And what you call "pro" features is just the rest of Mac OS X that was stripped out of iOS.

Please. Apple's vision of post-PC does not equal Windows Tablet PC. It is not Mac in a tablet.

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post #57 of 80

I'm down for it. With the major reduction in form factor of the iPad Air, I'm confident they can deliver a 12" screen that is still so small and light, and is basically all display.

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I am pretty sure the navigation only goes away if you are inactive for a long time and come back if you tap the screen.

and control center

->requires 2 swipes up in app to open

->can be turned off.

you're welcome

 

 

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" I'm finding it hard to browse websites on my iPhone5, they are too narrow in portrait mode and too shallow in landscape. I also despise the awkward navigation bars that disappear and appear when scrolling, not to mention the annoying controls that come up when I swipe upwards to scroll aarrrgh! "

You can turn off the controls coming up when you swipe upwards in Settings>Control Center.

 

I do like Control Center will not to turn it off, but my point is it's poorly implemented. I often find myself bringing it up without meaning to. Apple should've added Control Center as a tab in Notification Center, or have an option to turn off Notification Center and have Control Center swipe in from the top.

I really hope iOS8 will NOT have swipes from the left and right edges too.

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post #59 of 80
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control center

->requires 2 swipes up in app to open

Just 1 swipe, anytime anywhere, unless inactivated.

You can thank me later.

post #60 of 80
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I think we all understand at some point iOS and OSX will effectively merge and all that will matter will be how one chooses to interact with the OS.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think you're right, with a strong distinction in the devices based on user input (touch or cursor). The first major step I think will be to make a high(er) margin, low(er) price laptop, based on ARM, running iOS, but using a cursor interface and able to run optimized OSX apps. I don't think this would contradict Tim's comments, as it would be a hybrydizing of the OSs, but not of functionality; It'd still funciton fully as a laptop. Of course I could be way off, but it's still fun trying to read the tea leaves.

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I hope not. He makes the trolls' ridiculous comments more entertaining.

   

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post #61 of 80
iPad Pro? Who knows maybe that's why there's no touch ID or it's just fora screen siz:\e option
post #62 of 80
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This is conceivable.

 

I think the MBA 11" is next on the chopping block (and the 13" Macbook Pro  nonRD).

by 2015 I wouldn't be surprised to see

 

4" iphone 5s

6" iphone 6

8" iPad Mini RD

10" Ipad Air (rd)

12" Ipad Pro (rd)

13" MacBook Air

13" MacBook Pro (rd)

15" Macbook Pro (rd)

21" iMac

27" iMac

27" iMac Pro (4K)

Mac Mini

Mac Pro  (4K)

27" Cinema Display (4K)

40" Cinema display (4K)

Apple TV 3 (4K)

 

This is a simple and compelling product swath

I don't think both the 13" MacBook Air and the 13" Mac Book Pro survive.   As the MBP gets thinner and lighter, there's no reason for the Air to exist unless there can be a huge price differentiation.   I actually think that's why they called the new iPad, the iPad Air - it replaces most uses of the MacBook Air for those people who mostly consume media and use simple apps.  I bet there's already substantial erosion of 13" MB Air sales to the iPad.

 

I also don't quite believe this current rumor unless Apple truly believes that in the long term, most Macs go away. 

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It has WSJ in it.
nothing to see here folks.

It is extremely sad to see a respected publication like the WSJ dive so fast into the gutter. They went from a publication that went to great lengths to make sure they got the facts right, to a publication that doesn't seem to understand the concept of researching and article.
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I think he is currently banned.

I hope not. He makes the trolls' ridiculous comments more entertaining.

He's on a temporary ban for using ad-homs. He'll be back Thursday sometime.
post #65 of 80
What if this is an infotainment pad for the auto central console?
post #66 of 80
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too much... 
That I'd agree with.
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12" 
128GB  (256GB  it too much for a company that is driving to a cloud storage model)
This I disagree with. It is in the users best interest to have as much internal storage as possible. Latency makes some use cases impossible, beyond that not everybody has 24/7 access to the net. The lack of storage capacity bumps in the last round of iPads really bothers me as that is their greatest short coming.
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Touch ID

No more than $999... it will replace the MBA 11" in the price point range.
and 899 for a 64GB model.
I don't see iPads ever replacing the laptops completely as long as iOS is so restricted. The only way iOS can completely displace laptops would be to free up the iOS to remove the most serious restrictions. This would especially mean the restriction on interpreters and user installed software.
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Question would be would they build a 32GB model?  So you have .99(5c)  99(6c) 199((6c/6s)  299 (6s/Mini)  399(MiniRD,old Air 16) 499(new TouchID Air16) 599(New Air32) 699 (new Air64) 799(new air128/Pro32) 899(pro64) 999(pro 128) 1099 (MBA13/128)

This again is a compelling product swath with cross over points.   Apple will take whatever wad of cash you have and sell you something;-)

If this machine is real I could see Apple sliding the entire iPad line down the price scale by this time next year. A couple of inches in screen size simply doesn't justify the significantly higher entry level price. In other words $799 for an entry level iPad of any size is asinine.
post #67 of 80
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Do people really think that Apple is going to no longer make a BootCamp / OSX compatible device in the 11" MBA size???

I think we will see an alternative product that doesn't immediately replace the current AI's with their Intel chip. Long term all bets are off, the Windows world is going down hill pretty fast.
post #68 of 80
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You are going to have to try harder than that to troll.  What Cook clearly, and obviously, said is hybrid devices make neither good tablets or good laptops. 

Rogifan is no troll!

post #69 of 80
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We already have a "virtual" iPad running in OS X in Xcode.
Non developers just don't understand the concept here. The fact that iOS apps run trouble free on Mac OS, as i86 binaries, should highlight to people how closely linked these two systems are. IOS and Mac OS have a lot more in common than many can grasp.
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I'm thinking of a "Mac Pad Air" that is primarily an OS X device, but also running iOS apps, using one of apple's Ax processors.
You might be reading my mind here. I would expect the processor to only be an Apple AX processor though. OS/X would be retargeted to ARM 64. This would actually be great, as it would be the first full blown UNIX like environment on ARM 64.
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Primary UI would be OS X, and then iOS apps could run in a window or zoom to full screen
mode much like windows does in parallels.
Yep! This is exactly what I want to see.

It would likely require a revision to iOS to make apps a little more file system aware though. Right now finding your data Files in iOS would be a nightmare. In fact file handling is still a major flaw within iOS if you ask me.
post #70 of 80
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As soon as I heard they were calling this the iPad Air I had a feeling something else was coming.

A heavier model? Who wants a less portable tablet?

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post #71 of 80
(Double post--WTF?)

As much as Windows Tablet PC fans dream of it, Apple is not going to make a "Mac OS X tablet." That's exactly the kind of dull thinking that gave us two decades of Windows for Pen Computing/Pen Extensions. That paradigm of tablets that failed. Microsoft ran with it, and it went nowhere.
Edited by Suddenly Newton - 11/5/13 at 2:00pm

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I know Tim Cook said hybrids are not something Apple will do, but Jobs previously said things that they would not do that they ended up adding. Like video to the iPod and doing books.

There are people on these forums who interpret statements from Apple about what they WON'T do as evidence of the opposite. The world changes fast and there are no absolutes. What makes sense today may not make sense tomorrow. Apple's management is not speaking in opposites. It's not some carefully conceived misinformation campaign. I think they changed their mind.

iPod and iTunes for Windows was an early mindset shift that proved very successful for them, once they saw iPod as a successful product in its own right and not just a way to sell more Macs.

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Non developers just don't understand the concept here. The fact that iOS apps run trouble free on Mac OS, as i86 binaries, should highlight to people how closely linked these two systems are. IOS and Mac OS have a lot more in common than many can grasp.
You might be reading my mind here. I would expect the processor to only be an Apple AX processor though. OS/X would be retargeted to ARM 64. This would actually be great, as it would be the first full blown UNIX like environment on ARM 64.
Yep! This is exactly what I want to see.

It would likely require a revision to iOS to make apps a little more file system aware though. Right now finding your data Files in iOS would be a nightmare. In fact file handling is still a major flaw within iOS if you ask me.

We agree 100%. Must be the only iOS devs on this thread. It's just a compile switch away in Xcode.

Definitely see the Ax-only-CPU iPad Pro, running OS X and iOS, selling for 1/3 less than rMBPs. No intel tax. Since Intel = wintel in many eyes, apple would have no prob throwing intel away.

At that price point, nobody will miss Boot Camp / Parallels / Win7-8

File handling will finally get cleaned up with some OS X system settings.
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We agree 100%. Must be the only iOS devs on this thread. It's just a compile switch away in Xcode.

Definitely see the Ax-only-CPU iPad Pro, running OS X and iOS, selling for 1/3 less than rMBPs. No intel tax. Since Intel = wintel in many eyes, apple would have no prob throwing intel away.

At that price point, nobody will miss Boot Camp / Parallels / Win7-8

File handling will finally get cleaned up with some OS X system settings.

Do all developers really think that the only software that matters is software that can be recompiled?! Legacy software can not be ignored and there is no way an Intel to ARM 'Rosetta' style emulator can run fast enough on ARM

I think being able to still run BootCamp/Windows could be an important factor in convincing current customers of Windows to consider getting a Mac. Apple needs more converts like me that now love OSX but require a bit of legacy Windows software for certain tasks.

I will be so disappointed if the new MBA is an ARM based experiment. I think Apple may do that some day but Microsoft has already proven, at least for now, it isn't ready for prime time.
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OS/X would be retargeted to ARM 64. This would actually be great, as it would be the first full blown UNIX like environment on ARM 64.
 

I think the Linux community is ahead on this one. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/02/27/1330237/


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 11/5/13 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by iCarbon View Post

I hope they actually mean a touchscreen for a macbook pro -- giant tablet is just an unusable idea from a large market perspective.
Uh, no.
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iPad Pro
A7X
Touch ID
12 inch screen
12 hour battery
$799 - 32GB
$899 - 64GB
$999 - 128GB
$1099 - 256GB
Only thing is it will likely be A8X
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

This is conceivable.

I think the MBA 11" is next on the chopping block (and the 13" Macbook Pro  nonRD).  
by 2015 I wouldn't be surprised to see

4" iphone 5s
6" iphone 6
8" iPad Mini RD
10" Ipad Air (rd)
12" Ipad Pro (rd)
13" MacBook Air
13" MacBook Pro (rd)
15" Macbook Pro (rd)
21" iMac
27" iMac
27" iMac Pro (4K)
Mac Mini 
Mac Pro  (4K)
27" Cinema Display (4K)
40" Cinema display (4K)
Apple TV 3 (4K)

This is a simple and compelling product swath
that sounds close but I really think it will eventually be iPhone mini 3(.5) inch-$100
iPhone(iPod in plus $400 on all)
4 inch-$200
4.5/5 inch-$300
IPad-
8 inch-$400
10 inch-$500
12 inch-$700
MacBook-(low spec)13 inch-$1000
15 inch-$1300
MacBook-(mid spec)13 inch-$1300
15 inch-$1500
17 inch-$1800
MacBook-(high spec)13 inch-$1600
15 inch-$2000
17 inch-$2300
Extreme spec
13 inch-$1900
15 inch-$2500
17 inch-$2800

Mac tower
Low spec-$600
Moderately low-$1000
Mid-$1600
Little bit less than high-$2200
High-$3000
Extreme-$5000
Super extreme-$7000

iMac 23 inch
No spec-$1000
Really low-$1300
Low-$1500
Moderately low-$1800
Mid-$2000
Little bit less than high-$2400
High-$2700
Exteme-$3200

IMac-27 inch
No spec-$1500
Low spec-$1800
Low med.-$2200
Med-$2500
High med.-$2800
High-$3200
Extreme-$3500

IMac-33 inch
No spec-$2000
Low spec-$2500
Med-$3200
High-$3900
Extreme-$4200

Apple TV-40 inch
Low-$3000
High-$4000

Apple TV-50 inch
Low-$4000
High-$5000

Apple TV-60 inch
Low-$5000
High-$6000

Apple TV-70 inch
-$7000(only high availible

Apple TV-85 inch
-$10,000(best specs only behind extreme macs)

Do you think this would be to extreme/exaggerated, I feel it matched current prices espicially if all
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too much... 
12" 
128GB  (256GB  it too much for a company that is driving to a cloud storage model)
Touch ID

No more than $999... it will replace the MBA 11" in the price point range.
and 899 for a 64GB model.
Question would be would they build a 32GB model?  So you have .99(5c)  99(6c) 199((6c/6s)  299 (6s/Mini)  399(MiniRD,old Air 16) 499(new TouchID Air16) 599(New Air32) 699 (new Air64) 799(new air128/Pro32) 899(pro64) 999(pro 128) 1099 (MBA13/128)

This again is a compelling product swath with cross over points.   Apple will take whatever wad of cash you have and sell you something;-)
those specs are probably the maxed out, I figue apple would have 32 or 64 gb min., maybe a 256 or up to 512 options (these seem only nessecary if it will come with OS X, but who knows) all this could varry.
post #77 of 80
Ooh look, it's a maxiPad :-)

[ I know someone else beat me to it :-) ]
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I think he is currently banned.

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He's on a temporary ban for using ad-homs. He'll be back Thursday sometime.

He has always been the enjoyed commenter, sorta weird to see him at one point a moderator, and now on temp. Ban
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

Non developers just don't understand the concept here. The fact that iOS apps run trouble free on Mac OS, as i86 binaries, should highlight to people how closely linked these two systems are. IOS and Mac OS have a lot more in common than many can grasp.
You might be reading my mind here. I would expect the processor to only be an Apple AX processor though. OS/X would be retargeted to ARM 64. This would actually be great, as it would be the first full blown UNIX like environment on ARM 64.
Yep! This is exactly what I want to see.

It would likely require a revision to iOS to make apps a little more file system aware though. Right now finding your data Files in iOS would be a nightmare. In fact file handling is still a major flaw within iOS if you ask me.
I would love to see this too, but we either are going to see OS X bumped down a bit (which it has at this point in battery, in a IPad it could get a estimated 9 hours) to support a A series processor, or see A processors jump a bit before it's integrated, the IPad air and 11 inch MacBook Air seem to be simular enough they might both run it, but I assume OS X will move towards the new Mac pros, and MacBook pros (and iMacs of course) eventually upgrading it to loose support for MacBook airs/minis, maybe we will see a hybrid between the 2, running like its Mac OS but in the end it is a updated IOS? If my previous guess the Mac book air will eventually be dropped is true either we will see no more cheap device support or it hitting a tablet.
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Hoping Tallest Skil returns soon. His razor sharp wit is one of the great pleasures of this site.

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Originally Posted by iCarbon View Post
I hope they actually mean a touchscreen for a macbook pro -- giant tablet is just an unusable idea from a large market perspective.

 

Wow, both halves of this sentence are completely backward. Have you ever used a touchscreen laptop? Are you a silverback gorilla and doing so isn’t a physical problem for you? Vertical touchscreens are useless unless you are standing.

 

Originally Posted by muaddib View Post
Apple could create a hybrid device if they were able to run OS X in some sort of Rosetta like way.

 

If by ‘Rosetta’ you mean ‘comes with robotic arms to touch the screen for you since you won’t want to do it for more than five minutes but will blame everyone but yourself for wanting such a bad product in the first place unless there’s some sort of justification for the cost’, sure.

 
I know Tim Cook said hybrids are not something Apple will do, but Jobs previously said things that they would not do that they ended up adding. Like video to the iPod and doing books. 

 

In absolutely no way, shape, or form are these arguments the same. Not even fundamentally. 

 

Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post
It is extremely sad to see a respected publication like the WSJ dive so fast into the gutter. They went from a publication that went to great lengths to make sure they got the facts right, to a publication that doesn't seem to understand the concept of researching and article.

 

+2: because +1 just isn’t enough.

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