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Or they simply jump ship to Intel baytrail z3770 and its successors which currently trump the A7 in most benchmarks.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

 

That's the advantage Android has, they can jump ship to whatever hardware platforms offers best in class. (Note : I did not see any battery usage benchmarks on the baytrail yet, anyone ?)

I was about to say speed is not everything when you talking mobile platforms. The competition continues to be behind apple every step along the way. Moto RAZR Max had a decent process and a battery almost 3X of the iPhone but its battery life under processor intensive activities does not last as long as the iPhone. The analysis of why this is the case is the fact that apple controls the SOC and the software. They do not auto-route the SOC, it appears they are hand routing the layout of the chip which is giving them speed and efficiency  that the others can not achieve. IT also appears that iOS and the associated hardware does not spend as much time doing the same tasks as it Android counter parts which allows the processor not to run as long thus getting power savings.

 

With that said you a can safely assume that any Android device using a Baytrail will not beat an iPhone in overall performance. It may be better in one benchmark but loses in others since Manufacturers do not control all the pieces. Apple has shown their trade offers balance the end users overall experience. Good display, fast enough, and lasts just long enough.

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I was about to say speed is not everything when you talking mobile platforms. The competition continues to be behind apple every step along the way. Moto RAZR Max had a decent process and a battery almost 3X of the iPhone but its battery life under processor intensive activities does not last as long as the iPhone. The analysis of why this is the case is the fact that apple controls the SOC and the software. They do not auto-route the SOC, it appears they are hand routing the layout of the chip which is giving them speed and efficiency  that the others can not achieve. IT also appears that iOS and the associated hardware does not spend as much time doing the same tasks as it Android counter parts which allows the processor not to run as long thus getting power savings.

 

With that said you a can safely assume that any Android device using a Baytrail will not beat an iPhone in overall performance. It may be better in one benchmark but loses in others since Manufacturers do not control all the pieces. Apple has shown their trade offers balance the end users overall experience. Good display, fast enough, and lasts just long enough.

 

I agree with this 100%. I'm still grappling how much FASTER from a benchmarks perspective the A7 is to the A5X when I upgraded to the Air recently. But to be perfectly blunt, I used both iPad 3rd ten and Air side by side and it's really not a 4x speed increase in practice. It's much more nuanced where you might notice animations are slightly more fluid. Some apps will load quicker like the large Disney Animation application, which is noticeable. And then stuff like Facebook / NYT it's not much of a difference at all. 

 

Even with the more demanding iOS7 it still blows me away how a two year old chip with tacked on graphics cores performs so admirably with Retina and iOS7. My old Droid Bionic would sputter on ICS, and my HP Touchpad would drag its feet on Web OS, all using similar internals to the A5 without high resolution screens. 

 

Apple has done a great job supporting their legacy devices, and the benchmark busting processors they introduce are not exactly making their predecessors obsolete. That's pretty stellar from a customer standpoint.  

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That Samsung ad that touts how many Galaxy series and Notes sold is very reminiscent of McDonalds boasting that they serve 1,000,000,000 burgers yearly on their marques. Samsung is very McDonalds-esqe as in people do buy some of McDonalds premium 5 dollar burgers, but most buy dollar cheeseburgers or the big mac.

Sammy is like Burger King. See Big King/Big Mac. Copy copy copy.
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Which 2013 Samsung Android smartphones can't run apps? Do you have any sales data for these models? Models like the S4 mini certainly can run apps.

 

You're making assertions without backing them up with any specifics or data.

Yeah maybe it’s an assertion, but it’s tied to Samsung’s official stance that they should sell +/-300mil "smartphones" (200mil "mass-market" + 100mil "premium"). What in their minds is "mass-market" is hard to tell but consensus tends to be that it’s a feature phone with a touch screen, a 3-4 year old OS and parts at a sub $150price tag (unlocked).
 

Try running apps on that and see how that works out...

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Or they simply jump ship to Intel baytrail z3770 and its successors which currently trump the A7 in most benchmarks.

That's the advantage Android has, they can jump ship to whatever hardware platforms offers best in class. (Note : I did not see any battery usage benchmarks on the baytrail yet, anyone ?)
Android is a bloated pig of an OS. Anandtech tested Bay Trail running Windows, which is far more efficient and faster than Android when using the same hardware. Android will never run as fast on an equivalent processor as iOS or Windows.

And please show me where to get Android (officially, not some mod site) for x86. Android can't "jump ship" to a processor outside of ARM until Google releases a version. Then Google will make Android even more fragmented by having to support what will essentially two OS's.

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To people asking what low end phones Samsung makes I give you the Galaxy Star.

A brand new phone introduced only a few months ago (summer 2013). It has a 3.0" 240x320 screen, single core processor and runs Jelly Bean. And it's a top seller in many countries.

Please explain how good any Android App is going to look on such a low-res screen. Let alone perform on such a slow processor.

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So if Samsung alone is selling 2/3 of Apple's volume in high-end phones, can we all finally agree that high-end Android phones combined outsell the iPhone?

I'm not sure we can. What are the other phones? Who makes them and did their company have any profits? Mostly likely not, given that Samsung is the only profitable android maker right now, I really would like to know.

 

To the real point, who cares and so what if they are not profitable? Right now, given this latest news from Samsung, Apple is the only high smart phone maker whose highest margin phone is actually expanding in sales significantly.

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Looks win/win to me.

 

Apple continues to do well and refine things in the high end limited growth phone market.

 

Samsung is left unchallenged by Apple in the still growing low end market.

 

Samsung sells more phones, Apple makes more money.

 

Samsung makes money from both Apple and Android.  They make some money being an Apple supplier, and they make a ton more money supplying Android phones to the market.

 

Consumers get the benefit of the two companies going at it.  Would have liked to see Windows phone or BB do a little better to really drive things but the current 'state of the market' looks okay to me.

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I've used an S4 and I didn't get the impression it was "smart phone". I guess somethings are subjective as to me it was far inferior to an iPhone 4s.

Don't worry, I know exactly what has happened. There was nothing wrong with the S4, you just didn't know how to operate it! You see, the phone was "smart". You, not so much!

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Which 2013 Samsung Android smartphones can't run apps? Do you have any sales data for these models? Models like the S4 mini certainly can run apps.

You're making assertions without backing them up with any specifics or data.

Galaxy S4 Mini is a "Galaxy S" phone, isn't is?

Look at any carriers' list of "mass market" models and note how many run Android 2.x

Also: you are taking issue with Samsung's own remarks and product category descriptions. I think you missed a "talking points for propaganda trolls" meeting or two.
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So  Android OS is intrinsically less efficient than iOS. The battery life of S4 is significantly less than 5S despite having a much bigger battery.

Apple sells 5C for $99 with contract to make S4 expensive. I think this is the strategy of launching 5C.

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Galaxy S4 Mini is a "Galaxy S" phone, isn't is?

Look at any carriers' list of "mass market" models and note how many run Android 2.x
Would Verizon be a carrier selling mass-market phones? Well I took your advice and visited Verizon to see all those new Android phones you say they're selling with Android 2.x. You'll have to help me find them because I didn't see any. There are a couple of old pre-owned phones there with Gingerbread, but not anything new that I could find.

Edit: Can't find a new one at ATT either.

Edit2: Here ya go Daniel. Sprint had two running 2.3.
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Looks like Samsung earned $3+B less than Apple, not just $1+B less.

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And please show me where to get Android (officially, not some mod site) for x86. Android can't "jump ship" to a processor outside of ARM until Google releases a version. Then Google will make Android even more fragmented by having to support what will essentially two OS's.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/smartphones/smartphones.html

 

All are pretty obscure, but I expect numerous new devices (tablets first) with baytrail and android. Oak trail will optimise for battery usage (from what I read) and would be targeted at phones.

 

All remains to be seen until we have actual products in hand.

 

Intel is handling the android port itself.

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I'd not describe the 4s as high end, sure the casing and screen are high quality but the phone is getting long in the tooth now.

It's high end due to several factors, none of which relate to how long it's been on the market.
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Looks like Samsung earned $3+B less than Apple, not just $1+B less.

Imagine what Samdung's sales would have looked like had they not outspent Apple 6 times over in advertising...!!!

I have no idea how many models of smart phones Samsung has thrown against the wall, trying to get one or two to stick, additionally, all the ways Samsung has tried to look better then Apple in their advertising... None of it has matched Apple's numbers when it comes down to business profit.

Not mentioned in this story, or by Samsung, is the 7 Rockstar suits that may really slice deep into Samsung's profit for years and years of infringement, but Apple's greasing up their huge anal probes based on the multi-touch patents... more lost profits and emasculated smart phones in the near future...
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Look at any carriers' list of "mass market" models and note how many run Android 2.x

 

Again, you're not giving any specifics. Which carriers? Do you have a link?

 

Also, Android 2.x is capable of running apps. I think you already knew that though.

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So  Android OS is intrinsically less efficient than iOS. The battery life of S4 is significantly less than 5S despite having a much bigger battery.
Apple sells 5C for $99 with contract to make S4 expensive. I think this is the strategy of launching 5C.

While you are right, it is a strategy for launching the 5C, it is not the ONLY strategy Apple did so. Chief among them is Apple's strategy to appeal to a different buyer group with the 5C. Then, next year the 5C will be Apple's only iPhone without the 64 bit processor and Apple can go nuts on some tangent that no one suspects that will leverage the A7 and M7 to and capture even a larger range of smart-phone interested shoppers.
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But... but... but Android is winning and Apple is doomed. If Samsung were an American company sitting in Apple's place right now they'd probably have a share price of around $2000. Samsung would be the perfect company for Wall Street investors when it comes to having to have the highest amount of market share possible. Samsung believes in beating rivals to death and eliminating all competition. It would be great to be a shareholder of a company like that. There would never be any worries about any smaller companies coming up and taking away market share because they'd quickly go out of business.

Apple is stupid to just let Samsung do as they please. Apple could have been in the top position in the smartphone and tablet industry and they just let Samsung take it away in about a six months time-frame and Apple shareholders paid dearly for that blunder. Apple still hasn't recovered those lost tens of billions of market cap. Now with Samsung openly gunning for them, Apple shareholders might as well just give up hoping for an Apple rebound.

Apple is simply going to continue on its own path of building high%u2013quality products for the elite and Samsung is going to drown Apple with a massive flood of devices aimed at every consumer on the planet. It will ruin Apple shareholders and drive potential investors away from Apple in droves. Apple will be lucky to be worth anything when this war is over.

Samsung should continue to do as it pleases, but it isn't going to gain more ASP with its strategy and it fights the race to the bottom so Apple doesn't have to.

 

If rumors are correct, Apple is going to build its own five inch iPhone, maybe even a six inch. That will obviously impact Samsung.

 

Conversely, has Samsung been able to build a model to compete head to head with the iPhone.?

 

Uhm, no, and the S4 mini is a mid-range phone so doesn't even compare.

 

Advantage Apple.

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So  Android OS is intrinsically less (energy) efficient than iOS. The battery life of S4 is significantly less than 5S despite having a much bigger battery.
Apple sells 5C for $99 with contract to make S4 expensive. I think this is the strategy of launching 5C.

There might be a reason Daniel only shows specific battery tests for Web-browsing over LTE. 1wink.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9
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Looks win/win to me.

 

Apple continues to do well and refine things in the high end limited growth phone market.

 

Samsung is left unchallenged by Apple in the still growing low end market.

 

Samsung sells more phones, Apple makes more money.

 

Samsung makes money from both Apple and Android.  They make some money being an Apple supplier, and they make a ton more money supplying Android phones to the market.

 

Consumers get the benefit of the two companies going at it.  Would have liked to see Windows phone or BB do a little better to really drive things but the current 'state of the market' looks okay to me.

 

A global duopoly--where the only mobile company apart from Apple to be making any significant money at all is directly copying Apple as closely as possible--is, to you, a competitive and/or healthy market? 

 

It is interesting that the only risks/attempts being made in the entire global mobile market are MSFT/Nokia, Mozilla, and other efforts to target the very, very low end. Google is even giving up trying to copy iOS on the same level and is reverting to focus on low end feature phone type devices with super low, 4 year old specs like 512 MB of RAM.

 

Because when your product is advertising, you don’t have to have a good product or turn a hardware profit, you just need a billboard in front of lots of people. That worked so well in making the web a wonderful platform for vibrant software! Oh wait, not no it created a wasteland of phony SEO pages and crippled journalism, replacing it with what is effectively random access broadcast TV style content: shady ads, feeble content aimed at the toilet.

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post #63 of 116
Does the iPhone 5S kick the living snot out of the S4 or what? I think that's kind of funny.
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There might be a reason Daniel only shows specific battery tests for Web-browsing over LTE. 1wink.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9


The battery talk time is important for people who uses 'smartphone' only as a feature phone. 

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The battery talk time is important for people who uses 'smartphone' only as a feature phone. 

Why "only"? Nobody talks on smartphones?
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I think the point here is (and to use an automotive market analogy): comparing sales numbers of Samsung to Apple without a breakdown is like comparing General Motors to BMW. Sure GM overall may have sold more cars than BMW, but without a breakdown, we cannot assume that Cadillac was better selling than BMW; and that's exactly what Samsung is doing here. Comparing Apples to Apples + Lemons without differentiating between the two.
Anyone who has been following this from the beginning, years ago, will remember when Apple used to pummel Samsung in sales #s until one day Samsung got wise/sick of it/shamed and sent out a press release indicating they will no longer be providing sales breakdowns by model.

(Please forgive my example of comparing GM and Samsung, the two companies are on completely different levels of class, and unlike Samsung, GM has worked through R&D to position itself strongly as one of the best auto maker out there right now. But in terms of low end vs high end, the example stands.)
GM is one of the best auto makers? Really? Are you joking?
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Why "only"? Nobody talks on smartphones?


If you 'USE' smartphone, you need to recharge it every night or two.

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This is really interesting information, but I would have preferred it not be written in such a biased tone. The exact same points could have been made (more credibly, in fact) without all the snark.
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There might be a reason Daniel only shows specific battery tests for Web-browsing over LTE. 1wink.gif
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/9

 

I do think this is one area Apple isn't advancing the way they could. A couple years ago, the iPhone destroyed all other smartphones in everyday battery life. Today, they're still very good, but about as good as the best Android phones. With the next wave of Android devices coming out in Q1 2014, the bar might actually get moved by someone else.

 

I would have taken a bit less performance from the A7 (it certainly has the headroom), for an overall improvement in battery life. I hope the IP6 redefines battery life and pushes the industry forward. All day heavy use is a luxury that no phone IMO can meet yet - the top phones are pretty close for all day moderate use, but nothing can make it yet under heavy use. 

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/3

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If you 'USE' smartphone, you need to recharge it every night or two.

Ah gotcha. So battery life doesn't really matter to you in the first place since all smartphones need to be charged pretty much every night anyway.
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Ah gotcha. So battery life doesn't really matter to you in the first place since all smartphones need to be charged pretty much every night anyway.


With 'normal' use, the battery level is around 40-50% after work.  There are a couple situations when I travel and need the iPhone for navigation, the battery dropped to 20%. 

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You expect to see some bias in an article published in Appleinsider, but this one needs to be called out.  The main finding of the article is actually quite interesting, but much of the backup is misleading.

 

For example, "Over the last fiscal year, Apple reported sales of 150 million iPhones. Unlike Samsung, Apple is not reporting an end to high end sales growth. Instead, Apple's high end is growing faster (26 percent) than than the overall phone industry (7 percent), according to CNET."    

 

You could be led to believe that Apple is growing much faster than the smartphone industry, because that's where Apple competes, but that's not the case.  The 7% quoted is for the entire mobile phone industry, which includes 'feature phones'.  The growth for smartphones from the quoted article is 45%.  Comparing 26% growth to 7% versus 45% could lead to different conclusions!

 

Another example, "That's a serious problem for Samsung, which makes about two thirds of its total profits from smartphone sales. Apple also relies very heavily upon iPhone sales, but it also has profitable Mac, iPad and iTunes, software and service related businesses, which generate ten times the profit of Samsung's struggling Chromebook netbook, Android tablet and Windows PC sales."

 

This is just plain stupid.  Samsung is a widely diversified company, selling everything from Washing Machines to TVs to Semiconductors.

Apple is much more focused and has a relatively limited set of products, many of which are interconnected, meaning a loss in one area will affect another.    

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But... but... but Android is winning and Apple is doomed. If Samsung were an American company sitting in Apple's place right now they'd probably have a share price of around $2000. Samsung would be the perfect company for Wall Street investors when it comes to having to have the highest amount of market share possible. Samsung believes in beating rivals to death and eliminating all competition. It would be great to be a shareholder of a company like that. There would never be any worries about any smaller companies coming up and taking away market share because they'd quickly go out of business.

Apple is stupid to just let Samsung do as they please. Apple could have been in the top position in the smartphone and tablet industry and they just let Samsung take it away in about a six months time-frame and Apple shareholders paid dearly for that blunder. Apple still hasn't recovered those lost tens of billions of market cap. Now with Samsung openly gunning for them, Apple shareholders might as well just give up hoping for an Apple rebound.

Apple is simply going to continue on its own path of building high%u2013quality products for the elite and Samsung is going to drown Apple with a massive flood of devices aimed at every consumer on the planet. It will ruin Apple shareholders and drive potential investors away from Apple in droves. Apple will be lucky to be worth anything when this war is over.

 

So much WRONG in this post.  Samsung is being threatened by smaller competitors.  Especially in China were Chinese players like Xiaomi are producing Samsung level phones for half the price. 

 

How exactly has Apple let Samsung take over the phone/tablet market?  Apple still has 60% of the premium phone market ($450+) and a 75% of the premium tablet market ($499+). 

 

Apple won't be worth anything?  The same company that has over $150B in cash and generates over $45B a year in free cash flows?  Are you an idiot or what.  It's Samsung that is in trouble.  The one thing they had going was the bigger screens.  But now all the Android/Windows OEM's have large screens.  So why would someone buy a Samsung?  And when the large iPhone comes out it will be over.  First signs are Samsung is not growing its premium phones sales at all (notice how they said growth was near even, in other words going down)

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But... but... but Android is winning and Apple is doomed. If Samsung were an American company sitting in Apple's place right now they'd probably have a share price of around $2000. Samsung would be the perfect company for Wall Street investors when it comes to having to have the highest amount of market share possible. Samsung believes in beating rivals to death and eliminating all competition. It would be great to be a shareholder of a company like that. There would never be any worries about any smaller companies coming up and taking away market share because they'd quickly go out of business.

Apple is stupid to just let Samsung do as they please. Apple could have been in the top position in the smartphone and tablet industry and they just let Samsung take it away in about a six months time-frame and Apple shareholders paid dearly for that blunder. Apple still hasn't recovered those lost tens of billions of market cap. Now with Samsung openly gunning for them, Apple shareholders might as well just give up hoping for an Apple rebound.

Apple is simply going to continue on its own path of building high%u2013quality products for the elite and Samsung is going to drown Apple with a massive flood of devices aimed at every consumer on the planet. It will ruin Apple shareholders and drive potential investors away from Apple in droves. Apple will be lucky to be worth anything when this war is over.

 

There are a lot of people, including much of Wall Street that view things as you do.  

 

The counter to your argument is to view Apple in its entirety and not as a purveyor of single devices.   Apple is building and needs to continue to build an entire ecosystem which when used together works better than a hodgepodge of competing devices.   If Apple can build an entire set of products that work together very well, and solve real-world problems, they can beat Samsung and others.   Samsung is poor at software (and obviously is almost entirely reliant on Google for much of their mobile platforms) and is also not particularly good at integration (a watch that only works with one of their own smartphones comes to mind).  

 

If you compare a Mac, Apple TV, iPhone and an iPad Mini with a Lenovo/Microsoft PC, Roku, LG/Google Nexus 5 and ASUS/Google Nexus 7, arguably each device when compared to its counterpart is roughly equivalent.  However, in combination, the Apple products work much better together than the 'team' of devices that comprise 6 different companies.  Apple needs to continue to grow the capabilities of this combination of products and add to it.  If they can continue to do so, they can charge a premium and remain, at very least, a strong niche player.


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Do you think Samsung only makes 60% of android profits? If so, go read more. Samsung sells the most premium android phones by far.

That's why everyone else is losing money and not proud enough of their sales numbers to even report them.

I agree Samsung is dominating the other OEMs but I'm pretty sure that they (HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony) together sell more than 50% of Samsung's volume of high-end phones, which is how much they would need to sell to outsell the iPhone.
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like Dilger, you seem to be pulling numbers out of your a**.

He is Dilger!
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Or they simply jump ship to Intel baytrail z3770 and its successors which currently trump the A7 in most benchmarks.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

That's the advantage Android has, they can jump ship to whatever hardware platforms offers best in class. (Note : I did not see any battery usage benchmarks on the baytrail yet, anyone ?)

And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).
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Again, you're not giving any specifics. Which carriers? Do you have a link?

 

Also, Android 2.x is capable of running apps. I think you already knew that though.

 

Is that why java programs run so badly on my S4?

 

Developers have to make sure they also work on pieces of junk like this.

 

I wonder when my S4 will get 4.3, seeing as how 4.4 has been released, I'd root it and install some dodgy ROM from XDA but that will void the warranty.

 

Which reminds me, I must turn the wifi on on the iPhone 4 I use as an iPod in my car and install the 7.03 update.

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Is that why java programs run so badly on my S4?

Developers have to make sure they also work on pieces of junk like this.

I wonder when my S4 will get 4.3, seeing as how 4.4 has been released, I'd root it and install some dodgy ROM from XDA but that will void the warranty.

Which reminds me, I must turn the wifi on on the iPhone 4 I use as an iPod in my car and install the 7.03 update.

Update schedule here:
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-43-jelly-bean-update-leaked-release-schedule-us-samsung-galaxy-models-suggests-verizon

Surprised your Australian S4 didn't get the 4.3 update already as it's been rolled out to international devices for some time according to the link. I'll assume it must be a Telstra holdup, especially since they're saying the 4.3 update for the year older Galaxy S3 won't be offered until sometime between Nov. and Dec. If accurate most US S3 models will have received the update before you guys in Australia do.

EDIT: About that basic phone you linked: The latest Android version, KitKat, would work just fine on it despite the poor internals and ridiculously minimal memory. No thanks to Samsung.
Edited by Gatorguy - 11/6/13 at 12:53pm
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And all you lose are the thousands of games developed using the NDK (or take a serious downgrade on performance).

You can recompile for the x86 ndk (or use emulation, but this has a performance hit), not a big deal, and comparable to offering 32 and 64 bit binaries on iOS. And ofcourse you have to use the NDK in the first place (most games do, most apps don't)

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