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Apple continued Thursday's update parade with fixes for compatibility and stability problems that have plagued users who access Gmail accounts using Mail.app in Mavericks.

Mavericks Mail Update


The update, which was seen in final testing just a few hours ago, addresses problems with deleting, moving, and archiving messages, as well as a bug that could cause the application's "unread mail" count to be inaccurate.

Alongside the update comes a slightly more detailed set of instructions than are usually provided with small updates of this nature. Apple urges users to back up their systems with Time Machine prior to installing the update and warns that they "may experience unexpected results if [users] have third-party system software modifications installed, or if [they have] modified the operating system through other means."

Users began complaining about the Gmail-centric issues almost as soon as Mavericks was released last month, with one thread on Apple's user-to-user support forums garnering more than 20,000 views and nearly 150 replies.

The patch is available now as a 34-megabyte download from the Mac App Store or via Apple's Support Downloads site.
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I never did get an update as a developer ... but at least I have it now.
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Noticed today. Hope this update fixes it:
Google servers refuse to accept "Numbers" attachments (haven't tried with pages ones) as email attachments. Mail app bounces them back as refused by the server (besides the "backups issue" plaguing mail app.

Apple: go and fix it ASAP. Between this and the dumbing down of iWork for OSX you don't have a winner here (of course one might argue that for zero dollars that can be bearable, but, as a long time with an iPhone 5 and the latest MBP 17", I had to pay... So I have the right to complain :-) )
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The new iWorks is not a dumb down though. It installs side by side with the old iWorks. It's a start of a new chapter so to speak. In due time, it will be more powerful and already easier to use than the old one.
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The new iWorks is not a dumb down though. It installs side by side with the old iWorks. It's a start of a new chapter so to speak. In due time, it will be more powerful and already easier to use than the old one.

Except when you open a file, it automatically updates the file version format and saves it without ever asking permission.

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People still use Gmail? :wow:

 

I got rid of that shitty service years ago. 

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Except when you open a file, it automatically updates the file version format and saves it without ever asking permission.

Read Apple's tech note. You can revert to the old format by choosing a "Revert" from the menu.

Now that people know about the auto-convert, just keep or tag the files differently.

My previous post simply point out that the new iWorks is not necessarily a dumbdown. It will evolve into something on par with or better than the old iWorks.
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I was just browsing away on my system and then all of a sudden by Mail app quits and restarts and I didn't have any warning that I was actually downloading a new app version. It was weird.
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Download of update complete. Install complete. Mail still not responding.
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Good, although I don't use gmail.

 

Now Apple please fix Finder window "view options," the settings just won't stick after shutdown!

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I was just browsing away on my system and then all of a sudden by Mail app quits and restarts and I didn't have any warning that I was actually downloading a new app version. It was weird.

 

Well you should have disabled the setting so the App Store won't download and install automatically. There's nothing weird about it!

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Except when you open a file, it automatically updates the file version format and saves it without ever asking permission.

Read Apple's tech note. You can revert to the old format by choosing a "Revert" from the menu.

Now that people know about the auto-convert, just keep or tag the files differently.

My previous post simply point out that the new iWorks is not necessarily a dumbdown. It will evolve into something on par with or better than the old iWorks.

It's stupid on Apple's part to assume that most users will just figure this out easily. Any important changes affecting workflow -- including ing the previous dumb system of backups -- should have been made more clear.

Apple's attitude increasingly seems to be, 'they'll figure it out.'
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People still use Gmail? :wow:

 

I got rid of that shitty service years ago. 

Google is now forcing you to update to Google+ with their YouTube BS and it's just AWFUL. I mean, it's getting to the point where YouTube SUCKS even MORE.  It's just AWFUL.

 

I'm convinced that Google doesn't know how to write software that makes my life easier.  It's just a JOKE.

 

I think Google is handing out LSD spiked bottled water to their employees and developers.  I'm 100% convinced.

 

It's either that or they just hire STUPID FREAKING IDIOTS.

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People still use Gmail? :wow:

 

I got rid of that shitty service years ago. 

 

People still use PC's for email?

 

I got rid of that shitty idea years ago, it's so much easier on an iPhone or iPad.

 

I only ever really used gmail since 2004, as an experiment to see if spam could catch up to the daily inbox increase.

 

It didn't in spite of using that address for every site that asked for a registration email.

 

It keeps my "real" email addresses free for more important stuff.

 

The only place I am signed onto anything Google is the mail App on my iPhone, my MacBook and iPad are as Google free as I could make them, with little snitch and noscript blocking every attempt (and there are a lot of them) by Google to gain access and get me to sign up to Google + and no Google Apps installed at all.

 

My Galaxy S4 I set up with a new made up account, I think that has Google + but I never bothered checking, I don't use that almost useless piece of junk much anyway.


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Google is now forcing you to update to Google+ with their YouTube BS and it's just AWFUL. I mean, it's getting to the point where YouTube SUCKS even MORE.  It's just AWFUL.

 

I'm convinced that Google doesn't know how to write software that makes my life easier.  It's just a JOKE.

 

I think Google is handing out LSD spiked bottled water to their employees and developers.  I'm 100% convinced.

 

It's either that or they just hire STUPID FREAKING IDIOTS.

 

Hey Google + now has 500 million users, cajoled and forced into signing on.

 

I wonder how many actually use it?

 

I know I don't although my S4 automatically uploads photo's and these strange notifications pop up from time to time, telling me how long it will take to get home, to a nearby business or some other totally random location.

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Hey Google + now has 500 million users, cajoled and forced into signing on.

 

I wonder how many actually use it?

Well, I don't think I actually use it the way they want me to use it.  I think it's just a FREAKING MESS.

 

It's too bad we can't lodge some selective missiles on the person (or people) that came up with this mess.  If I was Apple, I wouldn't hire anyone that was part of this from a management standpoint.    If you interview anyone from Google for a job, ask them if they were part of the decision making process for Google+ and YouTube, if they say they were, then simply cross them off the list of potential employees.

 

They took what was a relatively simple concept, and just added so much useless crap and it's just doesn't work better in any way from the previous way it was designed.  It's just AWFUL.

 

Compared to Facebook, which is AWFUL, Google+ gets the award for the most confusing and ridiculously bad archecture and implementation of code ever written for the internet.

 

I wonder how many of their Android users truthfully like it.

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People still use PC's for email?

 

I got rid of that shitty idea years ago, it's so much easier on an iPhone or iPad.

 

I only ever really used gmail since 2004, as an experiment to see if spam could catch up to the daily inbox increase.

 

It didn't in spite of using that address for every site that asked for a registration email.

 

It keeps my "real" email addresses free for more important stuff.

 

The only place I am signed onto anything Google is the mail App on my iPhone, my MacBook and iPad are as Google free as I could make them, with little snitch and noscript blocking every attempt (and there are a lot of them) by Google to gain access and get me to sign up to Google + and no Google Apps installed at all.

 

My Galaxy S4 I set up with a new made up account, I think that has Google + but I never bothered checking, I don't use that almost useless piece of junk much anyway.

Yeah, I have a bigger screen and I can type a LOT faster and view a LOT more on a 27inch monitor than on a mobile device.  

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Does this update bring native support for Gmail's labels?

The folder paradigm (one location per file) is so limiting.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of Apple's software but even the flag button iOS interface only lets you "mark as unread" or "move to junk" rather than apply a flag ("star" in Gmail) or label, which should be the logical function of that button.
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I updated and still have this problem w/mail but it was never a gmail exclusive problem.
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Does this update bring native support for Gmail's labels?

The folder paradigm (one location per file) is so limiting.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of Apple's software but even the flag button iOS interface only lets you "mark as unread" or "move to junk" rather than apply a flag ("star" in Gmail) or label, which should be the logical function of that button.

 

I prefer Exchange Activsync, which suddenly stopped working unless you pay Google for a business account.

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Google is now forcing you to update to Google+ with their YouTube BS and it's just AWFUL. I mean, it's getting to the point where YouTube SUCKS even MORE.  It's just AWFUL.

 

I'm convinced that Google doesn't know how to write software that makes my life easier.  It's just a JOKE.

 

I think Google is handing out LSD spiked bottled water to their employees and developers.  I'm 100% convinced.

 

It's either that or they just hire STUPID FREAKING IDIOTS.

 

What better way to get people to use a shitty service nobody used before like Google+ by forcing people to use it. If you want people to use it, make them want to use it, don't force them to. Its like force feeding a child spinach...they're not going to all of a sudden like it because you keep forcing them to eat it. 

 

I'm think Google has lost their way. They can't execute on anything properly and the things they did in the past, they're completely ruining those projects by doing stupid shit. To think they're even relevant is amazing to me at this point. I hope Apple never gets back to this point and sticks to its guns. 

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Frankly, I'm tired that Apple is now acting as Microsoft does. Updates are incomplete or only partial updates. It is most annoying when there is a new iteration of OS X and we have to wait so long for what we already have come to expect. I for one don't think we should put up with such shoddy treatment from a company we rely on for the first and best that computing has to offer.
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I was just browsing away on my system and then all of a sudden by Mail app quits and restarts and I didn't have any warning that I was actually downloading a new app version. It was weird.

 

Then you must have been Dr. Drunk when installing OS X Mavericks because it's one of the questions asked during the installation to allow background updating or manual.

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Originally Posted by drblank View Post
 

Google is now forcing you to update to Google+ with their YouTube BS and it's just AWFUL. I mean, it's getting to the point where YouTube SUCKS even MORE.  It's just AWFUL.

 

I'm convinced that Google doesn't know how to write software that makes my life easier.  It's just a JOKE.

 

I think Google is handing out LSD spiked bottled water to their employees and developers.  I'm 100% convinced.

 

It's either that or they just hire STUPID FREAKING IDIOTS.

 

Having used LSD several times during my university days I can unequivocally state that Google engineers have most certainly not partook in it or their products would be better.

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Then you must have been Dr. Drunk when installing OS X Mavericks because it's one of the questions asked during the installation to allow background updating or manual.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. You must feel so proud of your self about now, don't you?


Well, now it's MY turn to go down to YOUR level of immaturity, but I'll first rest your mind at ease.

 

First off, I don't drink alcohol or take drugs. Haven't even taken OVER the counter or prescription medicine/drugs in at least 10 years, at least not knowingly.

 

But, OBVIOUSLY, you want to make it sound like I do.  Sorry to disappoint you.

 

When,  I installed OS X 10.9, I just clicked on the button to install it, and let it do it's thing.  I didn't go into each Control Panel, I like I normally do when installing a new OS, because i just didn't.  

I simply don't remember all of the procedures I went through since that was about a week ago and quite frankly, I don't remember every little piece of trivia, because installation procedures to me are the things you forget as soon as the OS comes up and starts working. 


Now, go nicely take your head and shove it up your rectum and see if it fits.   I'm sure you have plenty of room.

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Having used LSD several times during my university days I can unequivocally state that Google engineers have most certainly not partook in it or their products would be better.

OK, then they are stupid freaking idiots.  I knew it was one of the two.

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Except when you open a file, it automatically updates the file version format and saves it without ever asking permission.

Bull. It warns you about opening the file in the new iWork. All you need to do is make a copy BEFORE you open it. You know it's going to break so why aren't you already doing this?

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What better way to get people to use a shitty service nobody used before like Google+ by forcing people to use it. If you want people to use it, make them want to use it, don't force them to. Its like force feeding a child spinach...they're not going to all of a sudden like it because you keep forcing them to eat it. 

 

I'm think Google has lost their way. They can't execute on anything properly and the things they did in the past, they're completely ruining those projects by doing stupid shit. To think they're even relevant is amazing to me at this point. I hope Apple never gets back to this point and sticks to its guns. 

Google has the "Let's throw as many features that we can think of and only get rid of them if we get enough death threats or if it doesn't increase the number of users"  attitude.

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People still use Gmail? :wow:

 

I got rid of that shitty service years ago. 

 

I must be behind the times.  What should I be using besides Gmail?

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Since I downloaded the fix today, I can't send or respond to any e-mails. Everything goes into the outbox.
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Does this update bring native support for Gmail's labels?

The folder paradigm (one location per file) is so limiting.

I honestly prefer the simplicity of Apple's software but even the flag button iOS interface only lets you "mark as unread" or "move to junk" rather than apply a flag ("star" in Gmail) or label, which should be the logical function of that button.

Labelling in gmail is a proprietary implementation. The imap protocol doesn't support it, the bestir can do is make folders.
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Frankly, I'm tired that Apple is now acting as Microsoft does. Updates are incomplete or only partial updates. It is most annoying when there is a new iteration of OS X and we have to wait so long for what we already have come to expect. I for one don't think we should put up with such shoddy treatment from a company we rely on for the first and best that computing has to offer.

 

I'm tired of the way people whine about Apple when it was Google who changed things with Gmail and f*cked up the way it worked.

 

Maybe, just maybe if Google brought exchange activsync back then Mail would continue working the way it had all along.

 

Notice this is a Gmail only problem.

 

I for one don't think we should put up with uninformed comments brimming with mock outrage by people who refuse to accept the truth, hence I am blocking you.

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I prefer Exchange Activsync, which suddenly stopped working unless you pay Google for a business account.

 

All my iOS devices are still grandfathered into the Exchange server method, but that was one of the more shady moves they made.

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I must be behind the times.  What should I be using besides Gmail?

 

Outlook.com, iCloud, Yahoo, take your pick, they are all free.

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All my iOS devices are still grandfathered into the Exchange server method, but that was one of the more shady moves they made.

 

My iPhone was, until I restored it one day and it stopped.

 

If I put the old settings in, it just doesn't want to work.

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Labelling in gmail is a proprietary implementation. The imap protocol doesn't support it, the bestir can do is make folders.

Can the protocol be updated?

 

Folders are basically a labelling system where the maximum number of labels per file is one. When you move an file between folders it's analogous to applying a new label which erases the previous label. Far better to keep all content in one "All Mail" bucket and allow multiple labels to be removed/applied at will. For instance an email might be a shared utility bill in which case you might wish to mark it both "paid" and "follow up" to remind you to get half the money back from your flatmate. If you can only apply one of those labels you need to track this information elsewhere, like in a notebook, and then you lose the immediate link to the information at hand.

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All this sideline bickering is fascinating, but has anyone actually used the update and can say whether it has fixed the Gmail glitch?

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My iPhone was, until I restored it one day and it stopped.

 

If I put the old settings in, it just doesn't want to work.

Crap! Really?  That is pretty naff.  Typical Google I guess.  It doesn't really bother me as I very rarely use it now anyway.  As other posters have stated, I'm trying to wean off the Goog too.

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