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Future iPhones from Apple could feature radically different designs with curved glass covers, displays as large as 5.5 inches, and even new sensors that could determine how much pressure a user is applying to a touch screen.

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Mockup of iPhone with 4.94-inch screen, created by Marco Arment.


Alleged details on Apple's potential future smartphones were detailed on Sunday by Bloomberg, which claimed that the company apparently plans to release two new iPhone models in the second half of 2014. Both of those models will supposedly feature "larger displays with glass that curves downward at the edges," the report said, citing an anonymous source.

The two new iPhone models will feature screen sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches, reporters Tim Culpan and Adam Satariano claim. The larger screen sizes would position Apple to compete more directly with popular big-screen smartphones like Samsung's Galaxy Note lineup.

The rumored big-screen handsets with curved glass displays are expected to be released in the third quarter of calendar 2014, according to the unnamed source.

Beyond those rumored handsets, the report also claimed that Apple may enhance future iPhone models with more advanced touch sensors capable of detecting pressure. Such functionality is "unlikely to be ready for the next iPhone release and is instead planned for a later model," Bloomberg claims.

Some of Sunday's report aligns with earlier rumors, which suggest Apple is indeed planning to release an iPhone with a larger display in 2014. However, well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities said in September he expects Apple to release a handset with a screen sized between 4.5 and 5 inches -- not as big as the 5.5-inch display cited in the latest rumor.

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Concept for a larger-screened iPhone, via iMore.


According to Kuo, who has a strong track record in predicting Apple's future product plans, the company is unlikely to use any smartphone screen sizes larger than 5 inches due to its "unwavering principle of one-hand use."

Apple last changed the iPhone's form factor in 2012 with the iPhone 5, upping screen size from 3.5 inches to 4 inches. Instead of increasing the phone's width, Apple chose to stretch the screen's height, and boasted that the larger screen still allowed for easy one-handed operation. This year's two new iPhone models, the 5c and 5s, both kept the same 4-inch Retina display.
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The best use for curved glass with a flexible LCD display is to simply have the display curve over the edges of the phone. This would make the screen more than edge to edge. It would have the same effect as an infinite pool. It would be visually stunning. It would require some minor changes to the UI design of all apps since there would need to be a touch safe region of the screen (on the top surface slightly inset from the edges) since you don't want touchable buttons curving over the edges where you can't really press them.
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You can already determine how hard you're pressing - by the change in shape your finger makes as it exerts more pressure.

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I truly hope the rumour "The two new iPhone models will feature screen sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches" is correct.

This would put Apple squarely in the game with the flagship devices of all other smartphone makers.
I realise some people here think a 4" screen is normal for a high end device, but that's clearly not the view of the majority. Such a move will help Apple in winning over additional users of Samsung, HTC, LG devices. It's very hard to move from a 5" screen to a 4" screen. Will be interesting to see if Apple will retain the 4" size or instead risk the wrath of the vocal minority.
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I truly hope the rumour "The two new iPhone models will feature screen sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches" is correct.

This would put Apple squarely in the game with the flagship devices of all other smartphone makers.
I realise some people here think a 4" screen is normal for a high end device, but that's clearly not the view of the majority. Such a move will help Apple in winning over additional users of Samsung, HTC, LG devices. It's very hard to move from a 5" screen to a 4" screen. Will be interesting to see if Apple will retain the 4" size or instead risk the wrath of the vocal minority.

 

There's no way in hell Apple is going to release TWO larger, separate sizes. If anything, the flagship "S" line will increase in size slightly, and the C will remain at 4".

 

And 5.5"? No way in hell. 

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Wait....I thought 3.5 inches was the perfect size??

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I did not know Apple was sensitive to pressure. :lol:

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Wait....I thought 3.5 inches was the perfect size??

If that is what she told you she was lying.
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There's no way in hell Apple is going to release TWO larger, separate sizes. If anything, the flagship "S" line will increase in size slightly, and the C will remain at 4".

 

And 5.5"? No way in hell. 

 

Give me one good BUSINESS reason why Apple will not develop a 5.5" phone.  

 

I'll give you FOUR reasons why they should:

 

1. Apple is forgoing a large and growing market by not entering into the phablet category.

 

2. Phablets are expensive and consumers are accustomed to paying a premium for then.  This is right in Apple's strike zone.

 

3. Phablets are popular in Asia, a stated growth area for Apple.

 

From Business Insider...

Phablets have experienced phenomenal growth in shipments across the Asia-Pacific region.

Shipments increased by an average of 88 percent quarter-on-quarter between year-end 2011 and June 30 of this year, according to IDC. 

 

4. Apple is relinquishing this category to Samsung and will cause damage to Samsung if they can grab some of this market.

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Originally Posted by jobsonmyface View Post
Wait....I thought 3.5 inches was the perfect size??

 

She lied.

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I hate to repeat myself, but if Apple releases a phablet, it will be 5.7" not 5.5". 

 

5.7" is exactly half an iPad mini screen which would make it 1536x1024 at 326DPI. Two apps optimized for this screen format could run side by side on the iPads.

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Apple will release a phat ass phone!
Nonsense!
That is RnD.
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Originally Posted by VL-Tone View Post

Two apps optimized for this screen format could run side by side on the iPads.

 

The purpose of which being what? :lol:

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The purpose of which being what? :lol:

Split screen multi-tasking?

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Originally Posted by VL-Tone View Post
Split screen multi-tasking?

 

That answer’s implied; my question is for it:p

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oooohhhhh...... nice.

 

Less on lawsuits and billboards, more on this as info becomes available please.

 

If any Apple execs read this site, open invite for you to take me out to lunch next time I'm in the San Jose/Cupertino area (I get out there about every 3 months).  With a screen that size lets talk about how Apple can finally redefine widgets and make them better than what Android currently offers.  Love the ideas or hate them, either way I'd be happy to add to the scope of possibilities.  Leave the 'grid of icons' as an option for those that love that too.

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That answer’s implied; my question is for it:p

Judging from this rhetorical question you seem to imply that split screen multi-tasking would be useless on an iPad, I have a feeling that any example I can give will be dismissed in one way or the other.

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Give me one good BUSINESS reason why Apple will not develop a 5.5" phone.  

 

I'll give you FOUR reasons why they should:

 

1. Apple is forgoing a large and growing market by not entering into the phablet category.

 

2. Phablets are expensive and consumers are accustomed to paying a premium for then.  This is right in Apple's strike zone.

 

3. Phablets are popular in Asia, a stated growth area for Apple.

 

From Business Insider...

Phablets have experienced phenomenal growth in shipments across the Asia-Pacific region.

Shipments increased by an average of 88 percent quarter-on-quarter between year-end 2011 and June 30 of this year, according to IDC. 

 

4. Apple is relinquishing this category to Samsung and will cause damage to Samsung if they can grab some of this market.

 

None of that shit matters to Apple if they believe 5.5" for a phone is a ridiculous size. If they release a larger phone, it will be between 4.5-5.0, and probably leaning towards the lower end of that range. You're a bit out of touch if you actually believe "most" people want a 5.5" phone. If that was the case, 9 million iPhones wouldn't have been sold in a weekend. 

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Bloomberg is wrong more than its right with Apple rumors. So I take this with a HUGE grain of salt.
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The only reasons that any competitor (of which there is really only one) is successful is due to a massive advertising campaign to convince us that all the drawbacks of their mobile phones are actually advantages. The truth is the competitor can't make a comparable mobile phone the size of the iPhone 5s. There is no market for a 6" mobile phone. There is only a market for "not an iPhone" from the competitor who "isn't Apple" but can't make a comparable mobile phone the size of the iPhone 5s.
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I truly hope the rumour "The two new iPhone models will feature screen sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches" is correct.

This would put Apple squarely in the game with the flagship devices of all other smartphone makers.
I realise some people here think a 4" screen is normal for a high end device, but that's clearly not the view of the majority. Such a move will help Apple in winning over additional users of Samsung, HTC, LG devices. It's very hard to move from a 5" screen to a 4" screen. Will be interesting to see if Apple will retain the 4" size or instead risk the wrath of the vocal minority.
This isn't the view of the majority iPhone still owns the high end market. Apple following the example of Samsung is the worst thing the company could ever do in the history of the brand. Apple doesn't follow, it leads, they introduced the iPad for a reason. Anything much bigger than 4 inches is no longer a phone, it's an undersized tablet. If apple really has to make bigger screens just add phone capability to the iPad mini but don't humor anything by calling it an iPhone. It'll be a cellular enabled iPad. Note 3 isn't a phone its an undersized tablet that can call.
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The best use for curved glass with a flexible LCD display is to simply have the display curve over the edges of the phone. This would make the screen more than edge to edge. It would have the same effect as an infinite pool. It would be visually stunning.

It would be visually stunning... until the first fall.
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Originally Posted by VL-Tone View Post
Judging from this rhetorical question you seem to imply that split screen multi-tasking would be useless on an iPad, I have a feeling that any example I can give will be dismissed in one way or the other.

 

If users cared about split-screening, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening was the best experience, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening actually helped with productivity or was useful in any capacity… well…

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The only reasons that any competitor (of which there is really only one) is successful is due to a massive advertising campaign to convince us that all the drawbacks of their mobile phones are actually advantages. The truth is the competitor can't make a comparable mobile phone the size of the iPhone 5s. There is no market for a 6" mobile phone. There is only a market for "not an iPhone" from the competitor who "isn't Apple" but can't make a comparable mobile phone the size of the iPhone 5s.

 

There must be a market for them or manufactures wouldn't make them, The new Sony Z Ultra has a one month waiting period over at Swisscom, our largest mobile provider. I'm sure it's because Sony just didn't make that many but the fact that there is a waiting period and over 100 peoples name are on a list at my local store says that there is defiantly a market. Not as big as Apples market share but one thing I do know for sure if Apple built a 5" iPhone people would buy it, maybe not as many as the 4" but will defiantly sell, I actually think they would sell more then the 4". I would use the iPad Mini as a phone any day if it had GSM capabilities.

3.5" was the perfect size when it came out and many in this very forum swore up and down that Apple wouldn't make a 4", get over it, there are many of us who want a 5" phone.

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I realise some people here think a 4" screen is normal for a high end device, but that's clearly not the view of the majority. 

 

Really? Clearly? Prove it. Apple outsells everybody in the high-end. The iPhone is the most popular smartphone in the U.S. by far. I want you to provide some proof of your claim. And saying Android has more market share isn’t proof because 90% of that market share is low-end junk. Apple has sold more iPhones than Samsung has sold S4s, or Notes. That’s a fact. Even Samsung admits it...

 

http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/23091/high-end-us-smartphone-buyers-5x-more-likely-pick-apple-over-samsung

 

However, Samsung's own admission that only a third of its device sales are of a class "comparable" to iPhone would change would divide its 24.9 percent share thus:"

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If users cared about split-screening, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening was the best experience, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening actually helped with productivity or was useful in any capacity… well…

Oooooh, oooooh, Apple would do it, hehehe. It's actually a really nice feature and Apple should add it. I especially would like to see it for the web browser and iPhoto. It would be great to have iPhoto on one side and Safari on the other with Instagram opened.

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I hate to repeat myself, but if Apple releases a phablet, it will be 5.7" not 5.5". 

5.7" is exactly half an iPad mini screen which would make it 1536x1024 at 326DPI. Two apps optimized for this screen format could run side by side on the iPads.

Not likely. In the iPads the screen proportion is 4:3. In the iPhones it was 3:2, now is 16:9, with Full HD in the horizon. 1536x1024 means to go back to 3:2.
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Really? Clearly? Prove it. Apple outsells everybody in the high-end. The iPhone is the most popular smartphone in the U.S. by far. I want you to provide some proof of your claim. And saying Android has more market share isn’t proof because 90% of that market share is low-end junk. Apple has sold more iPhones than Samsung has sold S4s, or Notes. That’s a fact. Even Samsung admits it...

 

http://blogs.computerworld.com/smartphones/23091/high-end-us-smartphone-buyers-5x-more-likely-pick-apple-over-samsung

 

However, Samsung's own admission that only a third of its device sales are of a class "comparable" to iPhone would change would divide its 24.9 percent share thus:"

 

That proves nothing, Apple has a monopoly on iOS devices so their users are forced to use whatever Apple provides. If Apple had, say a 5" iPhone and it didn't sell you would have a point, till then though your just speculating that 4" is what people want and look your probably right but there just isn't anyway to prove it..

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Not likely. In the iPads the screen proportion is 4:3. In the iPhones it was 3:2, now is 16:9, with Full HD in the horizon. 1536x1024 means to go back to 3:2.

 

I don't see how it means "to go back to 3:2" since Apple never released a phablet before. 3:2 would be in between 16:9 and 4:3 at a size that is also somewhere between those two devices 

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If that is what she told you she was lying.

 

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This was my favorite phone of all time...It was about the size of a hotel's complementary bath soap. Perfect fit in my pocket. Too bad it would not sync with my iBooks Contacts.

 

My 4s is too big and too heavy. And Sprint charges too much! :)


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If users cared about split-screening, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening was the best experience, Apple would have done it by now. If split-screening actually helped with productivity or was useful in any capacity… well…

 

Just because Apple didn't add X feature or released X product doesn't automatically mean that there's a philosophical reason behind it. 

 

There's a big reason why adding split screen multi-tasking is not something they could do on a whim: iOS was originally designed with a single screen size in mind. 

 

It made sense at first, because of the technical limitations of the early iOS devices, and it helped the App Store a lot because developers didn't have to bother with making their app work on multiple screen sizes.

 

This goes hand in hand with the possibility of adding split screen multi-tasking since dealing with multiple screen sizes essentially requires apps to have flexible layouts which is not something devs are used to deal with on iOS.

 

Before iOS 6, there wasn't even any APIs to deal with different screen sizes. While auto-layout APIs were added in iOS 6, not everyone used them. Apple has been making a big push for them with iOS 7 and the new text engine and textureless design is also a step toward helping developers with flexible layouts.

 

But the iOS 7 transition is big enough in itself that it would've been a nightmare for devs if Apple introduced new resolutions + split screen multi-tasking this year on top of the iOS 7 UI redesign.

 

This is why I think that both will happen next year, with iOS 8 and devices with new resolutions.

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This isn't the view of the majority iPhone still owns the high end market. Apple following the example of Samsung is the worst thing the company could ever do in the history of the brand. Apple doesn't follow, it leads, they introduced the iPad for a reason. Anything much bigger than 4 inches is no longer a phone, it's an undersized tablet. If apple really has to make bigger screens just add phone capability to the iPad mini but don't humor anything by calling it an iPhone. It'll be a cellular enabled iPad. Note 3 isn't a phone its an undersized tablet that can call.

As a matter of fact, one only need purchase an iPad mini with cellular service and install a VOIP app. Thus, Apple does offer a mobile phone experience in a tablet form factor. Obviously, Apple sells many more iPhones than iPads though.

As I stated previously, the competition doesn't have the ability to make a comparable mobile phone the size of the iPhone 5s. The simply lack the expertise so they spend massive amounts of money creating the illusion that their products are superior rather than the inferior garbage anyone with any true understanding of the technology knows their garbage to be.
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I don't see how it means "to go back to 3:2" since Apple never released a phablet before. 3:2 would be in between 16:9 and 4:3 at a size that is also somewhere between those two devices 

So, in your vision:
iPhone --> 16:9
iPhablet --> 3:2
iPad --> 4:3
Developers --> busy and dizzy

I think you can keep it simple.
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Just because Apple didn't add X feature or released X product doesn't automatically mean that there's a philosophical reason behind it. 

There's a big reason why adding split screen multi-tasking is not something they could do on a whim: iOS was originally designed with a single screen size in mind.
 


It made sense at first, because of the technical limitations of the early iOS devices, and it helped the App Store a lot because developers didn't have to bother with making their app work on multiple screen sizes.


This goes hand in hand with the possibility of adding split screen multi-tasking since dealing with multiple screen sizes essentially requires apps to have flexible layouts which is not something devs are used to deal with on iOS.

Before iOS 6, there wasn't even any APIs to deal with different screen sizes. While auto-layout APIs were added in iOS 6, not everyone used them. Apple has been making a big push for them with iOS 7 and the new text engine and textureless design is also a step toward helping developers with flexible layouts.


But the iOS 7 transition is big enough in itself that it would've been a nightmare for 
devs if Apple introduced new resolutions + split screen multi-tasking this year on top of the iOS 7 UI redesign.


This is why I think that both will happen next year, with iOS 8 and devices with new resolutions.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a different size iPhone in 2014 but split screen "multi-tasking" on a mobile phone is absurd.

Apple understands the challenge of multiple sizes in mobile devices better than anyone. An app design optimized for a 10" device is likely not an appropriate app design for a 4" device. Dynamic resizing of an app provides a less than optimal and an often abhorrent design on a multitude of different sized devices.
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So, in your vision:
iPhone --> 16:9
iPhablet --> 3:2
iPad --> 4:3
Developers --> busy and dizzy

I think you can keep it simple.

Using 16:9 wouldn't make it any easier for developers, as a bigger screen will require new layouts for apps anyway. You don't simply blow up an iPhone app to 5.7" so keeping the aspect ratio doesn't solve the crux of the problem.

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Using 16:9 wouldn't make it any easier for developers, as a bigger screen will require new layouts for apps anyway. You don't simply blow up an iPhone app to 5.7" so keeping the aspect ratio doesn't solve the crux of the problem.

A new aspect ratio requires FAR more work.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a different size iPhone in 2014 but split screen "multi-tasking" on a mobile phone is absurd.

Apple understands the challenge of multiple sizes in mobile devices better than anyone. An app design optimized for a 10" device is likely not an appropriate app design for a 4" device. Dynamic resizing of an app provides a less than optimal and an often abhorrent design on a multitude of different sized devices.

 

I never said anything about split-screen multi-tasking on a mobile phone. I also think it's absurd. I was talking about running two apps side by side on an iPad. Half an iPad mini screen could be used in an hypothetical 5.7" Apple phablet, and optimizing apps for this size would also mean optimizing for split screen on full size iPads.

 

I understand what you're saying about relying on dynamic resizing to make tablet apps from phone apps, something Apple has tried to avoid, but I see them keeping the iPad and iPhone as separated entities in the App Store. The same could be done with a phablet.

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A new aspect ratio requires FAR more work.

Why would it be? Apps layouts have to be completely redone anyway, you can't just scale up coordinates. This is a touch screen device, touch target sizes have to be optimized. If this prevents lazy devs from simply blowing up their apps  (which would be easier but stupid) then I'm all for it. 

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Half an iPad mini screen could be used in an hypothetical 5.7" Apple phablet, and optimizing apps for this size would also mean optimizing for split screen on full size iPads.

So the user will need to download the iPad version of the app and the iPhablet version. Two versions together in the iPad.

Not likely. Keep it simple!
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