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Apple surprised on Tuesday when it launched online and in-store sales of the iPad mini with Retina display, and now AppleInsider has a first look at the hotly anticipated device.

Retina iPad mini


While Apple's second-generation iPad mini shares an overall design and form-factor identical to its predecessor, the inclusion of a Retina quality display requires larger battery cells to maintain reasonable operating times. This makes the Retina iPad mini 0.01 inches (0.3 millimeters) thicker and 0.05 pounds (23 grams) heavier.

Retina iPad mini


The added heft is unnoticeable, however, with only a careful side-by-side inspection revealing the minute changes.

Retina iPad mini
Retina iPad mini (top) is a tad thicker than the first-gen tablet.


What is readily apparent, even without a comparison to the older first-generation tablet, is the screen's incredibly high resolution. For the Retina iPad mini, Apple shoehorned a 7.9-inch IPS panel with 2,048-by-1,536 pixel resolution into the thin chassis. The specification is the same as the iPad Air, but the mini's smaller display equates to a pixel density of 326 ppi, much higher than the Air's 264 ppi.

Retina iPad mini
The second-gen iPad mini's Retina display (left) is noticeably sharper than last year's model.


By comparison, the first-gen mini managed half as many pixels with a density of 163 ppi. As seen above, the difference is huge.

For the first time ever, Apple is using the same A-series processor in the Retina mini as it does for the larger 9.7-inch tablet, as well as the substantially smaller iPhone 5s. The A7 system on a chip boasts a 64-bit architecture and has proved powerful enough to competently handle demanding tasks on the iPad Air.

Retina iPad mini


The new silicon's power-efficient design should yield good battery life, though a more thorough test is needed to determine the exact gains.

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Retina iPad mini (left) compared to its predecessor.


Prices for Apple's new iPad mini with Retina display start at $399 for a 16GB Wi-Fi model, $499 for 32GB, $599 for 64GB and $699 for the new 128GB option. Wi-Fi + Cellular versions start at $529 for 16GB, then move up in $100 increments, topping out at $829 for 128GB of storage.

AppleInsider will be publishing a review of the new iPad mini in the coming days, but those looking to get their hands on one immediately can trade in their old iPad and iPad mini now to lock in high cash values.

Retina iPad mini


Retina iPad mini
post #2 of 47
Looks damn good to me. I know what I'm getting for christmas!

Thanks Apple!
post #3 of 47

What a marvel of engineering and design! 

 

My goal is only to have an Rmini, 5s, iCloud and an ATV (+ one flat screen TV) as the only tech in my life! :)

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Originally Posted by Jessi View Post

Looks damn good to me. I know what I'm getting for christmas!

Thanks Apple!

Positive statement! :)

 

Thanks, also, Apple! :)

post #5 of 47
High trade in value? I sold my mini on fee bay and after all their fees netted $215. Bah
post #6 of 47
Bought an air instead. Loving the bigger screen but miss the smaller size.
post #7 of 47

Sigh.

 

Maybe at some point for portability but for the moment I'll settle for my iPad Air which is a huge jump in performance and portability over my previous iPad 3 and absent an in person check the smaller overall size of the Air looks to push it a lot towards the "mini" side of things in terms of bulk.

post #8 of 47
So the AP published a review of the mini. In the first paragraph they say only Apple could get away with a price increase. Hmmm...I could have sworn the 2nd gen Nexus 7 also went up in price. Am I wrong about that? Anyway the conclusion of their review is if you don't need the very best get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire, but if you can afford the retina mini go for it.
post #9 of 47
I'm splurging on the 128 gig retina mini for christmas. Hell the f**** yeah!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by maccherry View Post

I'm splurging on the 128 gig retina mini for christmas. Hell the f**** yeah!!!!!!

Great choice! What with the same pixel total as the iPad Air I figure that's the way to go. And that's the total I went for with my Air choice….  take full advantage of all those display pixels….

 

On a related note: is there a setting for how photo's are loaded into the pads like with music? I shoot some rather large files off my Nikon D800 and it would be fun to have all 32 mega-pixels to play with on my pad.

post #11 of 47
Retina iPad mini
The second-gen iPad mini's Retina display (left) is noticeably sharper than last year's model.


Has anyone come across a similar comparison photo between the Air's screen density and the Retina Mini yet? I tried holding my 5S against the Air in the Apple store, but it didn't sit with me as a comparable test.

Still trying to decide which one I want to replace my first gen Mini... I'm leaning towards the Air for ease of typing, but the lower pixel density makes me want to have a closer look first!

Great site BTW.
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Reading this on my new retina ipad mini 1smile.gif
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Originally Posted by virtua View Post

Reading this on my new retina ipad mini 1smile.gif
How is it?
post #14 of 47
The screen is really sharp and bright. It's noticeably fast too - I was playing with the first mini in the store which is a bit laggy with opening things like garage band - this isn't.

Looks wise, I got space grey and it's nice...went straight into a smart case though 1smile.gif. The smart cases are much better than the old ipad ones and the cover sticks magnetically shut - no flopping around.
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Most of the comments I read about the Retina iPad Mini on other sites is how someone can get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire for half the price that's just as good. WTF?!! I'm pretty certain that most consumers must feel this way but certainly not everyone. The day I look at a Porsche Boxster and say to myself I can get a Toyota Matrix for one-third the price that's just as good, I'm thinking of shooting myself. Why does the price come up every time they make some product comparison? Consumers usually get what they pay for. A Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire is nothing like this Retina iPad Mini because they're on a completely different platform and this Apple-branded product will hold it's value far longer than any Android product. Anyway, consumers should buy what they can afford and if they can't afford to buy Apple products then that's their loss. That Retina iPad Mini looks to be a fine model of advanced engineering.
post #16 of 47
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Originally Posted by StageofHistory View Post


Has anyone come across a similar comparison photo between the Air's screen density and the Retina Mini yet? I tried holding my 5S against the Air in the Apple store, but it didn't sit with me as a comparable test.

Still trying to decide which one I want to replace my first gen Mini... I'm leaning towards the Air for ease of typing, but the lower pixel density makes me want to have a closer look first!

Great site BTW.

The mini is easier to type on than the air in portrait mode. The iPads are really slow compared to a keyboard or even iPhone. So if you type a lot- a keyboard is almost a necessity.

I have both the air and original mini (new mini coming in tomorrow). Can't go wrong either way.
Edited by Andysol - 11/12/13 at 4:43pm

2012 27" iMac i7, 2010 27" iMac i7, 2011 Mac Mini i5
iPad Air, iPad Mini Retina, (2) iPhone 5S, iPod Touch 5
Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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2012 27" iMac i7, 2010 27" iMac i7, 2011 Mac Mini i5
iPad Air, iPad Mini Retina, (2) iPhone 5S, iPod Touch 5
Time Capsule 5, (3) AirPort Express 2, (2) Apple TV 3

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post #17 of 47
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

The day I look at a Porsche Boxster and say to myself I can get a Toyota Matrix for one-third the price that's just as good, I'm thinking of shooting myself.

How about three Toyota 86's for the price of a Boxster?

 

Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic FUDmonger - Tallest Skil
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Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic FUDmonger - Tallest Skil
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post #18 of 47
Good to know... Looking to having play with both this weekend. Thanks for the help, Andysol
post #19 of 47
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Originally Posted by StageofHistory View Post

Still trying to decide which one I want to replace my first gen Mini... I'm leaning towards the Air for ease of typing, but the lower pixel density makes me want to have a closer look first!
 

 

I just bought the iPad Air over the weekend.  I was torn between the retina Mini and the Air.  In the end, I chose the Air because I do more reading (it stores all my technical manuals) and while both models have the same resolution, the slightly larger text (albeit lower ppi) was the better match for my eyes which are beginning to show their age. :)

I think the lower pixel density of the Air compared to the rMini is irrelevant when considering the quality of both displays.  I can't distinguish the PPI difference between the two models.  I'm sure others can if they put it under a magnifying glass, but even the PPI resolution of the Air makes the mini's an almost overkill.

Keeping them both the same resolution though was smart planning on Apple's part.  It certainly makes for easier app development instead of having to create yet another format size to develop for.

post #20 of 47
Author, take a decent picture of the old mini. Mine is *much* sharper than your picture suggests.
post #21 of 47
If 264 ppi is retina, than doesn't it mean 326 ppi is overkill because the human eye can't distinguish? I still get the merits of having a consistent resolution.
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Originally Posted by focher View Post

If 264 ppi is retina, than doesn't it mean 326 ppi is overkill because the human eye can't distinguish? I still get the merits of having a consistent resolution.

Depends on the "average viewing distance." You most likely hold a Mini closer than you do an Air.

post #23 of 47
I'm still on the fence whether to go with the iPad mini with Retina or iPad air. I currently have an iPad 2, love it and the screen real-estate but the allure of the smaller form of the mini is calling to me. I have to wait till the cellular comes out, so still time to make a decision.
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Originally Posted by Andysol View Post


The mini is easier to type on than the air in portrait mode. The iPads are really slow compared to a keyboard or even iPhone. So if you type a lot- a keyboard is almost a necessity.

I have both the air and original mini (new mini coming in tomorrow). Can't go wrong either way.

 

I can type really fast on the iPad mini in portrait mode.  I wouldn't bother using a keyboard with it.  I'm much slower on the full sized keyboard and would probably consider using a keyboard if I was going to be doing a lot of typing with it.  So far, I have never felt the desire to.

 

On a side note, I'm really looking forward to the iPad mini with Retina.  I loved the old mini, and I'm really glad Apple didn't make the new mini a lesser iPad than the Air.

post #25 of 47
Grab it before the Sharp LCD is replaced by Korean LCDs..
post #26 of 47
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Originally Posted by jfc1138 View Post

Great choice! What with the same pixel total as the iPad Air I figure that's the way to go. And that's the total I went for with my Air choice….  take full advantage of all those display pixels….

On a related note: is there a setting for how photo's are loaded into the pads like with music? I shoot some rather large files off my Nikon D800 and it would be fun to have all 32 mega-pixels to play with on my pad.
I know iPhoto app will support 20(I think) of those pixels, I don't think you can get the 32 on there, maybe 30 if lucky.
post #27 of 47

I'll be interested in seeing how the CPU and GPU stack up to the Air in clock speed and throttling, the 5S throttled back to 1GHz in just two minutes while the Air did better. 

Also the Mini has a more washed out screen than the 3/4/Air

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/12/5097886/rmini-washed-out-screen

 

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Has anyone come across a similar comparison photo between the Air's screen density and the Retina Mini yet? I tried holding my 5S against the Air in the Apple store, but it didn't sit with me as a comparable test.


 

 

 

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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post
 

How about three Toyota 86's for the price of a Boxster?

 

You have three of those but you're still envious of Boxster owner anyway.

post #29 of 47
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  . . . Also the Mini has a more washed out screen than the 3/4/Air . . .

No it doesn't. A bunch of dishonest little blowhard chihuahuas on MacRumors and The Verge are trying to spread the idea that the colors are washed out, but they are not washed out on mine.

But go ahead and join in the yapping if you feel you need to.
post #30 of 47
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

So the AP published a review of the mini. In the first paragraph they say only Apple could get away with a price increase. Hmmm...I could have sworn the 2nd gen Nexus 7 also went up in price. Am I wrong about that? Anyway the conclusion of their review is if you don't need the very best get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire, but if you can afford the retina mini go for it.

 

Apple is the only one who can get away with it because people will still buy the mini. Nexus won't get away with it because nobody wants one of those :lol:

post #31 of 47
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Originally Posted by focher View Post

If 264 ppi is retina, than doesn't it mean 326 ppi is overkill because the human eye can't distinguish? I still get the merits of having a consistent resolution.

If you're interested in stereo photography, and I don't know why everyone isn't, the 326 ppi screen is a necessity. When you use a stereoscope over a pair of images, the lenses magnify perhaps 1.5 times. The normal iPad retina screen is too coarse, and you see the pixels to the point of distraction. With the mini you still don't see the pixels under magnification.

There might be other reasons for using a lens over a screen as well. For a look at modern interest in stereo photography, check out Brian May's website. (Yes, the guitarist for Queen.):

http://www.londonstereo.com/
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

No it doesn't. A bunch of dishonest little blowhard chihuahuas on MacRumors and The Verge are trying to spread the idea that the colors are washed out, but they are not washed out on mine.

But go ahead and join in the yapping if you feel you need to.

Richard Devine from imore.com says he doesn't have this issue. His screen is sharp, bright and vibrant. And from the picture below the mini and Air screens look the same to me. The few reviews that I have seen, from Jim Darylmple, AP, Macworld and cnet don't mention anything about the screen looking "washed out". Could be that some people got a mini with a bad display. But the forum on MacRumors is ridiculous. Some people there won't stop until they find a flaw. They're not enjoying their device because they're spending all their time trying to find something wrong with it. 1rolleyes.gif

air_retina_mini_hero.jpg?itok=FLFScltT
post #33 of 47
I like this group of people!

Ordered mine last night...white, 128 GB WiFi

Replaces an iPad2 which tumbled off my side table, cracking the screen. But, it still works! I cannot remove the Moshi screen protectors, however, without shards of glass falling into my lap.

So, the iPad2 will become parked next to the bedroom TV, and I can still use it to stream videos, HBOgo, etc.

But the long awaited R mini is my path to the future. I will likely add a MBA as my main computer for projects, connecting it to a large screen in my office, but also giving me complete computing mobility in a small sized backback...iPhone, iPad mini and laptop Air...

Now, I gotta go find a 2nd job!
post #34 of 47
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

Richard Devine from imore.com says he doesn't have this issue. His screen is sharp, bright and vibrant. And from the picture below the mini and Air screens look the same to me. The few reviews that I have seen, from Jim Darylmple, AP, Macworld and cnet don't mention anything about the screen looking "washed out". Could be that some people got a mini with a bad display. But the forum on MacRumors is ridiculous. Some people there won't stop until they find a flaw. They're not enjoying their device because they're spending all their time trying to find something wrong with it. 1rolleyes.gif

air_retina_mini_hero.jpg?itok=FLFScltT

Exactly, thanks. Actually that comparison picture makes the mini screen look a little more saturated.

The point is that once you get it home and start using it it, the screen looks great. If you want to set it next to an Air and obsess over it to find something wrong, that's perverse. MacRumors is a den of gibbering technopervs.
post #35 of 47
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High trade in value? I sold my mini on fee bay and after all their fees netted $215. Bah

Which model did you have, what was the actual condition, and did you have all the accessories, including the box?  If you had a 16GB model, you did well considering the current 16GB model is now $299.

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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

Most of the comments I read about the Retina iPad Mini on other sites is how someone can get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire for half the price that's just as good. WTF?!! I'm pretty certain that most consumers must feel this way but certainly not everyone. The day I look at a Porsche Boxster and say to myself I can get a Toyota Matrix for one-third the price that's just as good, I'm thinking of shooting myself. Why does the price come up every time they make some product comparison? Consumers usually get what they pay for. A Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire is nothing like this Retina iPad Mini because they're on a completely different platform and this Apple-branded product will hold it's value far longer than any Android product. Anyway, consumers should buy what they can afford and if they can't afford to buy Apple products then that's their loss. That Retina iPad Mini looks to be a fine model of advanced engineering.

That is the most condescending comment ever made.  

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Originally Posted by Curtis Hannah View Post


I know iPhoto app will support 20(I think) of those pixels, I don't think you can get the 32 on there, maybe 30 if lucky.

Thanks. I poked a bit further and discovered that via app "file sharing" I can load the full size files into iPhoto for iOS (though I have to export them out of my Aperture library using iPhoto or I get weird error messages and it doesn't work) and the information window says the image is, for instance, "54.5" MB, but the other complication is they're all RAW so what actually may be being displayed is the embedded jpg preview. 

 

Fun stuff in any case.

post #38 of 47
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post

Exactly, thanks. Actually that comparison picture makes the mini screen look a little more saturated.

The point is that once you get it home and start using it it, the screen looks great. If you want to set it next to an Air and obsess over it to find something wrong, that's perverse. MacRumors is a den of gibbering technopervs.
And now they're doing the same thing comparing it to the nexus 7. Fact is 99.9% of the people who buy a rMini will be perfectly happy with it.
post #39 of 47

I got the iPad mini w/ Retina and had a chance to compare it against an Air. First thing I noticed on the Air was that the colors were more vibrant/saturated, even the red progress bar from Youtube looked more  "red" on the Air. Checking some webpages (like NY Times) I thought the background was kind of gray on the Mini while in the Air they were bright white. Felt that colors are a little washed out in the Mini.

Anyone else had a chance to compare them?


Edited by sambageek1970 - 11/13/13 at 1:20pm
post #40 of 47
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post

Most of the comments I read about the Retina iPad Mini on other sites is how someone can get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire for half the price that's just as good. WTF?!! I'm pretty certain that most consumers must feel this way but certainly not everyone. The day I look at a Porsche Boxster and say to myself I can get a Toyota Matrix for one-third the price that's just as good, I'm thinking of shooting myself. Why does the price come up every time they make some product comparison? Consumers usually get what they pay for. A Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire is nothing like this Retina iPad Mini because they're on a completely different platform and this Apple-branded product will hold it's value far longer than any Android product. Anyway, consumers should buy what they can afford and if they can't afford to buy Apple products then that's their loss. That Retina iPad Mini looks to be a fine model of advanced engineering.

Apple makes nice products, but they are expensive.  There are some uses where paying more is justified (music production and some special needs educational apps come to mind).  There are other general purpose uses (e-reader, casual games) where they are just overpriced. Consider this:

 

The upgrade from 16 GB to 32 GB is $40 on the Nexus 7 and $100 on the Retina Mini ... That's just memory.

The upgrade from Wi-fi only to LTE is $80 on the Nexus 7 and $130 on the Retina Mini ... That's $110 more (nearly double) for 2 identical features.

 

Bottom Line:  I would pay more for Apple products, but have never been able to justify paying double.

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