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After months of delays, Google's iTunes Match competitor and all-you-can-listen subscription music service officially made its way to the iOS App Store on Friday, providing access to both All Access subscriptions as well as standard Google Play Music features.

Google Play Music for iOS


The iOS version of Google Play Music appears to match up well with its Android counterpart, allowing users to store and stream their own music libraries or, with the $9.99-per-month All Access upgrade, tracks from major labels. Users can also create custom radio stations from any song or album, or listen to one of several predefined stations.

Unlike competitors Pandora and iTunes Radio, there is no limit to the number of tracks a user can skip when listening to radio stations. The inclusion of skip limits has long been a pain point for users of other services.

Google Play Music and the Spotify-like All Access service were announced by the search giant in May. A web client and mobile application for Google's Android mobile operating system accompanied the launch, with an iOS application promised to follow weeks later.

The iOS application never materialized, despite persistent rumors pointing to its imminent release. Google cited DRM concerns stemming from iOS's lack of support for Adobe's Flash as the reason for the delay, but Friday's release indicates the company has apparently overcome those issues.

Google Play Music is available today as a free download from the App Store, and new users are eligible to receive one free month of the All Access service.
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No thanks. I don't support anything google, they are probably selling your listening habits and then you'll get gmail adds with music or something.
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No thanks. I don't support anything google, they are probably selling your listening habits and then you'll get gmail adds with music or something.

 

Not really how it works, but yes, 'being tracked' comes with almost all things Google (and Apple- whether you like it or not).

 

Google has a vested interest in guarding your info, not selling it.

 

Google doesn't place most ads that generate them revenue.  For example the 3993827382 ads you see surrounding these forums are placed by AI, not Google.  If you use Google services what changes is what ads get displayed to you.  You get the ads either way.  One way you get a bunch of random crap or stuff that is 'generally' targeted to the types of people that might visit AI.  If you use services like Google music there is a better chance that those ads won't be as 'random' and when the band that you listen to most on Google Music is coming to your town there's a better chance one of those ads will be for tickets to go see the show instead of for the random 'dish detergent' ad.

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No thanks. I don't support anything google, they are probably selling your listening habits and then you'll get gmail adds with music or something.

While you're worrying about Google these are the others tracking your every move just here at AppleInsider according to Ghostery. And unlike most FUD about Google some of these guys may really be selling what information they find out about you.

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High-profile and closely monitored Google would be the least of my worries.
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I've been using Google Play for a while now, and it works very well.  When you install it on your Mac, it will even upload new music toGoogle Play, which has been downloaded in iTunes.  I plan on cancelling my iTunes match subscription  That's $24.99 more in my pocket and less in Apple's.

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Not really how it works, but yes, 'being tracked' comes with almost all things Google (and Apple- whether you like it or not).

 

Google has a vested interest in guarding your info, not selling it.

 

Google doesn't place most ads that generate them revenue.  For example the 3993827382 ads you see surrounding these forums are placed by AI, not Google.  If you use Google services what changes is what ads get displayed to you.  You get the ads either way.  One way you get a bunch of random crap or stuff that is 'generally' targeted to the types of people that might visit AI.  If you use services like Google music there is a better chance that those ads won't be as 'random' and when the band that you listen to most on Google Music is coming to your town there's a better chance one of those ads will be for tickets to go see the show instead of for the random 'dish detergent' ad.

Yes, but it is disconcerting when you do a search for a product and instantly consecutive pages visited a full of very closely related ads. It feels invasive - like some buggy sales person following you around in a store.

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Google Play Music costs money, that's why you have unlimited skips, iRadio is free!

I'm all against paying for radio because eventually they're going to make you pay for a subscription as well as throw ads at you. For those who remember, that's exactly what happened with cable tv. At the beginning you only needed to pay your monthly bill for ad free tv, then when people became dependent, stations started bringing in the commercials.

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Google tracks and follows me even when I stopped using them at all. What I didn't realize was you are persistently logged on to all all of their services if you don't go to their main page and log off.
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Google tracks and follows me even when I stopped using them at all. What I didn't realize was you are persistently logged on to all all of their services if you don't go to their main page and log off.
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Yes, but it is disconcerting when you do a search for a product and instantly consecutive pages visited a full of very closely related ads. It feels invasive - like some buggy sales person following you around in a store.

How do you know it's Google following you, or that it's Google alone responsible for the ads you see? Did you bother to look at the huge number of trackers that aren't Google just here at AI? The 25 I see when logged on are listed in post 8 above. The names change on occasion too so your list might vary.

I guess blaming Google for everything ad-related on the internet is like asking for a Coke. It's a catch-all generic that covers a whole lotta different companies products.
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I've been using Google Play for a while now, and it works very well.  When you install it on your Mac, it will even upload new music toGoogle Play, which has been downloaded in iTunes.  I plan on cancelling my iTunes match subscription  That's $24.99 more in my pocket and less in Apple's.

 

I use both. I actually do like the fact that Google will allow you to store a whole lot of music online for "free" (of course I know my data is being shared, but in this rare case I think it's a fair tradeoff).

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I use both. I actually do like the fact that Google will allow you to store a whole lot of music online for "free" (of course I know my data is being shared, but in this rare case I think it's a fair tradeoff).

My favorite All-Access station is one Google created automatically from the music I gave thumbs-up. Conveniently called "Thumbs Up". lol.gif

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How do you know it's Google following you, or that it's Google alone responsible for the ads you see? Did you bother to look at the huge number of trackers that aren't Google just here at AI? The 25 I see when logged on are listed in post 8 above. The names change on occasion too so your list might vary.

I guess blaming Google for everything ad-related on the internet is like asking for a Coke. It's a catch-all generic that covers a whole lotta different companies products.

My comment was general - not really about Google, per se. I am not against advertising - not even 'targeted' advertising, but I dislike the concept of tracking and profiling as a commodity.

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How do you know it's Google following you, or that it's Google alone responsible for the ads you see? Did you bother to look at the huge number of trackers that aren't Google just here at AI? The 25 I see when logged on are listed in post 8 above. The names change on occasion too so your list might vary.

I guess blaming Google for everything ad-related on the internet is like asking for a Coke. It's a catch-all generic that covers a whole lotta different companies products.

 

 

I know it is Google because the ads I see are typically tied to my gmail account. 

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I've been using Google Play for a while now, and it works very well.  When you install it on your Mac, it will even upload new music toGoogle Play, which has been downloaded in iTunes.  I plan on cancelling my iTunes match subscription  That's $24.99 more in my pocket and less in Apple's.

 

 

Unless you are paying Google 9.99 a month, I fail to see how its service compares to the one Apple offers at $24.99 a year.

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My comment was general - not really about Google, per se. I am not against advertising - not even 'targeted' advertising, but I dislike the concept of tracking and profiling as a commodity.

 

So... You're against all forms of demographic data gathering? All forms of targeted advertising? All polls and surveys?

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I know it is Google because the ads I see are typically tied to my gmail account. 

Ah Gotcha. There's no trackers at any other sites you visit or any other services you use. BTW I just got a tracking beacon notice when I visited Apple.com of all places. What kind of information might that beacon be collecting? According to the provider:

-The URLs of the web pages you visit and the time spent on them
-The URL of the page that showed the link you clicked on that brought you to that company's website
-The searches you have performed, including searches that led you to that company's website
-Information about your browser and device, such as device type, operating system, connection speed, and display settings
-Your IP address
-Information you may provide on the company's website, including information on registration forms
-Whether you clicked on an ad
-Items you've either purchased or placed within the shopping cart
-Social network profile information, including photos, fan and like status, user IDs, age, and gender

Some companies using it may forward information that allows them to identify you personally. Some companies may also buy additional information about you and then add that additional information to the information collected. This additional information may include things like email addresses, account information, or Facebook profile information, including photos and usernames.

Beacons are a lot more effective for gathering user data and identifying visitors than cookies.
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BTW I just got a tracking beacon notice when I visited Apple.com of all places.

 

How were you notified? Is there a browser plug-in for this?

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I really don't care that Google uses me ordering a pizza every friday as a way to target advertising. There's nothing I do on the internet that is private. It's commerce and basic communication...and gaming. Lots of gaming. Want to be private? Log off, shut off the computer and then throw it out the window. 

 

It's on you if you keep very personal information in the cloud, or even stored locally on a computer. No thanks. 

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How were you notified? Is there a browser plug-in for this?

I use Ghostery as a plug-in with Chrome. If you're at all curious how many different trackers I'm blocking there's 832 that would like to push ads to me, 348 highly invasive beacons that would love collecting a lot of user data, and 242 widgets blocked. How many of the 1000+ trackers Ghostery is aware of belong to Google? Relatively few.
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No thanks. I don't support anything google, they are probably selling your listening habits and then you'll get gmail adds with music or something.

 

Same here.  Thanks but no thanks.  

Only things I still use once in a while are Google Search and YouTube.

Hopefully I can dump them soon.

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I use Ghostery as a plug-in with Chrome. If you're at all curious how many different trackers I'm blocking there's 832 that would like to push ads to me, 348 highly invasive beacons that would love collecting a lot of user data, and 242 widgets blocked. How many of the 1000+ trackers Ghostery is aware of belong to Google? Relatively few.

 

I just installed it. Good info.

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The only reason so many people here are anti-Google is due to Android. If Apple and Google were all chummy, almost all of the haters would love Google services.

I have Google apps, gmail, Google Now, etc on my iPhone 5s and iPad Air. And I love it! Best of both worlds.
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So... You're against all forms of demographic data gathering? All forms of targeted advertising? All polls and surveys?

No - I don't mind targeted advertising. But I mind invasively targeted advertising. I realize that 'invasive' is a relative term, but most of us know where the line goes instinctively. I am not against polls and surveys (as long as they stay out of my life! :) but they are annoying. I have nothing against demographic data gathering but I don't like it as a commodity. In other words - Apple sells computers, software and services. From a business and marketing perspective it helps them (and also me as their customer) if they can gather data related to these activities. I am OK with that. If their business model is based around personal user data as a commodity, I am not OK with it. If Apple decided to trade the data they gathered I would not be OK with that. 

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Anyway, AI has a pretty sparse article. A more complete description follows:

First off it's much different than Apple's iRadio so the two can happily co-exist. While Apple's service is free with targeted ads Google went the other direction with NO ADS but $9.99/mo.

All-Access shows you what songs are coming up a couple hours in advance. You can remove ones you don't want or rearrange the order as you please. Unlike iRadio you can limit your listening to a particular artist or a particular album and that's what you'll hear.
Or you can listen to specific genres. Or other users playlists. Or your own music. Or recommended playlists based on what you've been listening to. Lots of music options.

If you hear something you really like you can even save it to your personal album. Being platform agnostic, if you're visiting non-Apple/Android owning friends you can still listen to any song artist or station on Google Music or share your own collection as long as there's a web-browser available.

Google All-Access Music will stream to Airplay, Chromecast or other Bluetooth devices. Because of limitations put in place by Apple you won't be able to buy music from Google unlike on the Android version but otherwise the service on the two platforms is generally the same.

One big thing Google has done that Apple is slow to get around to is a roll-out of their licensed music outside of North America. The first day launch includes 21 countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States

...oh, and the first month is free. Listen to your heart's content. If you find you don't like it don't renew.
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I just installed it. Good info.

It's an eye-opener isn't it?
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It's an eye-opener isn't it?
I do love Ghostery on Safari however I sometimes have to use stock Chrome as some pages are broken/buggy when Ghostery works on them.

Which groups do you block on Ghostery? All of them? Only Privacy and Advertising?

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post #27 of 71

Google = evil

 

screw them and their privacy-defeating products.

 

you might as well send your passwords to NЅА.

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I use Ghostery as a plug-in with Chrome. If you're at all curious how many different trackers I'm blocking there's 832 that would like to push ads to me, 348 highly invasive beacons that would love collecting a lot of user data, and 242 widgets blocked. How many of the 1000+ trackers Ghostery is aware of belong to Google? Relatively few.

 

You're using Ghostery with that Chrome botnet? What's the point? You're still sending a ton of info to Google which is the biggest tracker anyway!?

 

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I do love Ghostery on Safari however I sometimes have to use stock Chrome as some pages are broken/buggy when Ghostery works on them.

Which groups do you block on Ghostery? All of them? Only Privacy and Advertising?

On Ghostery you can temporarily pause blocking for sites that needed popups or forms. A lot of blogs now have buttons to pause Ghostery on that site alone so that you can view article comments that might be blocked.

As far as what I personally keep at bay it's all but a couple of Privacy notices. Otherwise it's block-all for me: Advertising, Analytics, Beacons and Widgets. I'd suggest for those sites that you conduct business with to Whitelist them so as not to run into issues. Tapping the same button over and over gets frustrating when you suddenly realize you can't see the requested content because Ghostery blocked it. irked.gif
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Not really how it works, but yes, 'being tracked' comes with almost all things Google (and Apple- whether you like it or not).

 

Google has a vested interest in guarding your info, not selling it.

 

Google doesn't place most ads that generate them revenue.  For example the 3993827382 ads you see surrounding these forums are placed by AI, not Google.  If you use Google services what changes is what ads get displayed to you.  You get the ads either way.  One way you get a bunch of random crap or stuff that is 'generally' targeted to the types of people that might visit AI.  If you use services like Google music there is a better chance that those ads won't be as 'random' and when the band that you listen to most on Google Music is coming to your town there's a better chance one of those ads will be for tickets to go see the show instead of for the random 'dish detergent' ad.

 

Subtle astro-turfing Frood.
 

Working in online advertising, I can tell you with 100% certainty that Google is monetizing your personal information. Most of their revenue is generated in this manner, so don't try and downplay what they're doing.

 

Last time I checked, Apple is not using my personal information or data usage to generate ad revenue for themselves. 

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While you're worrying about Google these are the others tracking your every move just here at AppleInsider according to Ghostery. And unlike most FUD about Google some of these guys may really be selling what information they find out about you.

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High-profile and closely monitored Google would be the least of my worries.

 

No doubt my friend that AI has some nasty trackers but some of us have the tools to fight back ;)  LMAO

 

Then again, AI must survive to feed us their excellent editorials and articles. So, I don't mind this site and many many others.

 

When it comes to google & larry, they can kiss my hairy a$$. I never ever let them know I even exist!!!

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You're using Ghostery with that Chrome botnet? What's the point? You're still sending a ton of info to Google which is the biggest tracker anyway!

LOL. Microsoft sure gets around. Your moniker seems fitting by the way.

So Chrome offers to save passwords for you. . . . unless you don't want it to.
If there's a page error it notifies Google. . . unless you don't want it to.
And it protects you from malicious websites by keeping an up-to-date list of currently reported "bad pages"... unless you don't want it to.

In fact Chrome does all the following things, several not mentioned in your colorful image. . . unless you don't want it to. As you've likely never looked at Chrome I'll protect you from looking for yourself.

"Google Chrome may use web services to improve your browsing experience. You may optionally disable these services. Learn more

-Use a web service to help resolve navigation errors

-Use a prediction service to help complete searches and URLs typed in the address bar

-Predict network actions to improve page load performance

-Enable phishing and malware protection

-Use a web service to help resolve spelling errors

-Automatically send usage statistics and crash reports to Google

-Send a ‘Do Not Track’ request with your browsing traffic

Passwords and forms

-Enable Autofill to fill out web forms in a single click. Manage Autofill settings

-Offer to save passwords I enter on the web. Manage saved passwords


Next to each of those is a checkbox to enable or disable, whatever your pleasure.
So Whoa. . . You're right. Evil botnet incarnate!
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Last time I checked, Apple is not using my personal information or data usage to generate ad revenue for themselves. 

 

Last time I checked (just a minute ago), Apple does use personal information and data usage to generate ad revenue for themselves.  It's in black and white in their privacy policy.  Such is the way of many businesses these days.

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Last time I checked, Apple is not using my personal information or data usage to generate ad revenue for themselves. 

Perhaps you should read Apple's privacy policy a little more closely then. There's no white hats.

Working in advertising as you do you should'a already known but if you're living in the dark just have the agency check into iAds and how they can help your clients reach your target market. Apple will probably be happy to tell you guys the kind of data and results they can deliver. Not sure you'll be able to share what they tell you tho.

Oh, and please have your bosses ask about Apple's ad exchange service. Should be highly target-able and if the news is accurate it could be right around the corner.
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One big thing Google has done that Apple is slow to get around to is a roll-out of their licensed music outside of North America. The first day launch includes 21 countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States

...oh, and the first month is free. Listen to your heart's content. If you find you don't like it don't renew.

Except Canada which is in NA. iTunes Radio isn't available here either although it should be accessible to Canadians after the new year.
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Except Canada which is in NA. iTunes Radio isn't available here either although it should be accessible to Canadians after the new year.

I thought Canada was getting iRadio sooner than that. My mistake. And thanks too for the mention of All-Access missing Canada. Didn't even notice
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I use Ghostery as a plug-in with Chrome. If you're at all curious how many different trackers I'm blocking there's 832 that would like to push ads to me, 348 highly invasive beacons that would love collecting a lot of user data, and 242 widgets blocked. How many of the 1000+ trackers Ghostery is aware of belong to Google? Relatively few.


Kinda funny. People come here and complain about being tracked by Google, and they are getting tracked and their data collected.

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How do you know it's Google following you, or that it's Google alone responsible for the ads you see? Did you bother to look at the huge number of trackers that aren't Google just here at AI? The 25 I see when logged on are listed in post 8 above. The names change on occasion too so your list might vary.

I guess blaming Google for everything ad-related on the internet is like asking for a Coke. It's a catch-all generic that covers a whole lotta different companies products.
Because when I used to use them for search I would get emails about whatever Odd thing I searched for. I switched to Bing and it stopped for a while. I had to use a Google account to log on to a website recently and noticed the adds again. It was a couple of aggravating weeks later I read something about needing to log out did so and amazingly the directed ads stopped.
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Because when I used to use them for search I would get emails about whatever Odd thing I searched for. I switched to Bing and it stopped for a while. I had to use a Google account to log on to a website recently and noticed the adds again. It was a couple of aggravating weeks later I read something about needing to log out did so and amazingly the directed ads stopped.

Well then gosh, those other 800+ internet advertising companies are just wasting their time and effort. Google is like Tigger...They're the only one.
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Well then gosh, those other 800+ internet advertising companies are just wasting their time and effort. Google is like Tigger...They're the only one.
No they are just the one that owns search and has figured out how to gather data by offering a free service then later linking them all together so you are being tracked even after you think you have logged out.
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