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Even though the idea of TV dongles being popular in Asia and registering as tablets doesn't sound far-fetched, I think it's absurd that a news article was written based on the claims of an anonymous forum poster in Singapore.

What's even more absurd, though not as surprising to me is the selective filter so many here use when they read new information. When an analyst or research firm puts out numbers that portray Apple even slightly unfavorably, zealots come out in force to attack the research. However when an anonymous guy on the internet says something slightly favorable for Apple, nobody questions it. Wow.
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Even though the idea of TV dongles being popular in Asia and registering as tablets doesn't sound far-fetched, I think it's absurd that a news article was written based on the claims of an anonymous forum poster in Singapore.

What's even more absurd, though not as surprising to me is the selective filter so many here use when they read new information. When an analyst or research firm puts out numbers that portray Apple even slightly unfavorably, zealots come out in force to attack the research. However when an anonymous guy on the internet says something slightly favorable for Apple, nobody questions it. Wow.

 

Bottom line is this can be proven.

 

You can easily install Android on a USB stick and activate it.  I just did it.  I then reformatted the USB and did it again.  Google thanks me for its 2 new tablet activations.  If I can do this in a few minutes you bet your ass millions of USB's are being activated with Android as an easy and free video player.

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Just because they're not real tablets doesn't mean it's not a product that could eventually dent Apple. Let's not forget that one of the biggest reasons for a tablet is media consumption. If these things are popular enough then apps will be made for them (mouse interface and all). These things are pieces of cr** but that doesn't mean they can't tilt the balance of influence toward android.

Look at the sh**ty PCs from the 80s compared to the Macs of the time.

 

Its laughable to compare a USB stick to a full fledged 64-bit tablet.

 

I have never meet a single person who buys iPads just to watch movies.

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Hey philboogie,

They're definitely a market for buying facebook "likes". Just type "buy facebook likes" into Google. You'll get a ton of results.

That's the problem with Google, right there. Query something and you'll get a ton of results. Aaaahhh!
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The irony here is these same research firms were probably the same ones refusing to accept an iPad was a computer so as to keep Window's PC numbers way ahead of Apple's sales numbers. Remember here on the AI blog, how the argument raged?

I have to ask though ... if these research companies are as eager to please those that pay them as DED clearly pointed out in his article over the weekend, why doesn't Apple play the same game and pay these jokers for research to show the truth?

Perhaps because it's just not worth bothering. The sales numbers are just noise. Stocks can go up and down based on people playing the market. If Apple has most of the profits -- what do they care if they don't have delusions of grandeur to go along with it. The more Android numbers are inflated, the longer they can avoid dealing with complaints of monopoly.

 

And various companies have deluded themselves into oblivion in the past. So why should Apple STOP THEM from getting enough rope to hang themselves if it does nothing to increase real profits?

post #46 of 83

A simple YouTube search shows how you can install Android on a USB

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6yRAVd7gQ0

 

You can also install Android on your PC.  And then activate it.  This is seriously messed up if IDC relies on Google activations.

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The whole Google gang must be very proud!

 

They've made it bigger in China than they ever imagined.

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Bottom line is this can be proven.

 

You can easily install Android on a USB stick and activate it.  I just did it.  I then reformatted the USB and did it again.  Google thanks me for its 2 new tablet activations.  If I can do this in a few minutes you bet your ass millions of USB's are being activated with Android as an easy and free video player.

I wonder if the MAC address on these devices is the same each time. If it is, or if they make no attempts to distinguish a re-activated device over a unique/new device, it seems to me to be that they are accidentally on purpose engaging in a bit of marketing number fraud.

 

Google likely knows that these are nothing but appliances and when the same MAC address asks to be activated.

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They've made it bigger in China than they ever imagined.

 

Well, they are following the China model of business: wholesale theft of good things, knocked together on the cheap.

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Bottom line is this can be proven.

 

You can easily install Android on a USB stick and activate it.  I just did it.  I then reformatted the USB and did it again.  Google thanks me for its 2 new tablet activations.  If I can do this in a few minutes you bet your ass millions of USB's are being activated with Android as an easy and free video player.

 

I'm confused why you think anyone is so personally invested in the android tablet activation numbers that he would repeatedly activate a mini PC dongle to boost the count.  That kind of behavior sounds like insanity.  I'm rational though, so I do have to be open to the possibility that there is an insane man somewhere on earth who bought one of these and occupies himself with it day in and day out.

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Neill, what do you think about Android activations when it comes to emulators? For example Bluestacks is a very common emulator available for both Windows and OS X that allows you to run a virtual Android tablet on your Mac or PC. There are also many others. Even Parallels and VM Ware Fusion allow this once you download Android. I have about 3 Android accounts I use for a game called Modern war which has factions (teams). I use these spare accounts to help with certain events. I would be willing to bet there are millions if not tens of millions of emulated Android running on Macs and PC's that are counted in the activation numbers. 


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Originally Posted by wakefinance View Post

I'm confused why you think anyone is so personally invested in the android tablet activation numbers that he would repeatedly activate a mini PC dongle to boost the count.  That kind of behavior sounds like insanity.

 

What do you think Eric Schmidt has been doing since he stopped being CEO?

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What do you think Eric Schmidt has been doing since he stopped being CEO?

That was genuinely hilarious.
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Even though the idea of TV dongles being popular in Asia and registering as tablets doesn't sound far-fetched, I think it's absurd that a news article was written based on the claims of an anonymous forum poster in Singapore.

What's even more absurd, though not as surprising to me is the selective filter so many here use when they read new information. When an analyst or research firm puts out numbers that portray Apple even slightly unfavorably, zealots come out in force to attack the research. However when an anonymous guy on the internet says something slightly favorable for Apple, nobody questions it. Wow.

 

So, do you have a better source of the 10 million Android "tablets" that mysteriously appeared in IDC's report going from one year to the next?

 

Apparently these things activate as Android tablets, you got anything better to explain the disparity?

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So, do you have a better source of the 10 million Android "tablets" that mysteriously appeared in IDC's report going from one year to the next?

 

Apparently these things activate as Android tablets, you got anything better to explain the disparity?

I do and I said so above. Android emulators on Macs and PC's using Bluestacks, virtual PC, Fusion, Parallels, etc. along with these TV dongles. I have around 4 maybe more Android accounts running on my Mac Pro that I rarely ever use except to play one single game for events that I bet get counted as Android tablets. One guy on my team has 6 of these accounts.

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I'm confused why you think anyone is so personally invested in the android tablet activation numbers that he would repeatedly activate a mini PC dongle to boost the count.  That kind of behavior sounds like insanity.  I'm rational though, so I do have to be open to the possibility that there is an insane man somewhere on earth who bought one of these and occupies himself with it day in and day out.

 

They are not doing it to help Google.  They are doing it for movie USB's as the article states, in car systems, or as an emulator on a PC. 

 

Is it any wonder that Google counts activations instead of units shipped?

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They are not doing it to help Google.  They are doing it for movie USB's as the article states, in car systems, or as an emulator on a PC. 

Is it any wonder that Google counts activations instead of units shipped?

They count activations (via the PlayStore) because it's unimportant to the Android community and it's developers if that new phone/tablet/other isn't used as a smart-device. Shipments don't matter to Google for the most part and why should they?
...except for MM shipments of course. 1tongue.gif

Just like Apple they want users to be engaged and committed to the Android platform with web, apps, messaging, games, books, music and all the other things that draw money in after the purchase is done. If Grandma buys a cheap Android smartphone just to call her nephew once a week then it's only being used as a featurephone for all intents and doesn't get counted in the Android activation numbers because she's not buying or using apps. That really the way it should be done too since those "featurephone" users aren't involved with the Android ecosystem nor put any revenue in Google's pocket.
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post #58 of 83
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So, do you have a better source of the 10 million Android "tablets" that mysteriously appeared in IDC's report going from one year to the next?

Apparently these things activate as Android tablets, you got anything better to explain the disparity?

My guess is that people bought tablets and activated them but I don't have the means to find out for sure.
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If schoolyard japes can be taken at face value, you know that Steve’s right when he says this.

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That is one fugly MacMini.

That is the exact form factor of an Apple TV.  Even the plugs are in the same location, The only thing different is the power plug, and the Audio.

on the apple TV the transformer is inside, and the Audio plug is an optical toslink plug.

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Here is the easy solution to this problem unless a publicly trade company or a company has been publicly certified reports their sales and it can be verified their number are not included in the market size calculations.

We all said it before, Google is reporting activation, and as we have seen it does not translate into an actual sale of a products. one phone could be activated multiply times.

Google has been giving anyone and everyone Android to use it how they like, but it does not mean that it being use as designed since it can be modified since it is open source.

Only ASOP is open source.  The google play store version is not.  The google plays store version has googles proprietary apps and those are not open source at all. They are required to connect to the google play store.  Google claims that only play store versions of Android are counted.  But if these sticks are illegally installing the google play store version there stealing private ip and muddying the waters on activations.

Im sure google doesn't mind the inflated numbers :).

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Even though the idea of TV dongles being popular in Asia and registering as tablets doesn't sound far-fetched, I think it's absurd that a news article was written based on the claims of an anonymous forum poster in Singapore.

What's even more absurd, though not as surprising to me is the selective filter so many here use when they read new information. When an analyst or research firm puts out numbers that portray Apple even slightly unfavorably, zealots come out in force to attack the research. However when an anonymous guy on the internet says something slightly favorable for Apple, nobody questions it. Wow.

What I find funny is how an Android supporter such as yourself comments on things like this on a pro apple sight named AppleInsider, and expects people here to listen to you.

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$100 gets you 20 movies. Additional movies are $2 each. I conclude that China needs NetFlix (or something like it) soon. This is what everyone but the content owners have known forever. If you sell access to content at a reasonable price and make it easy to use, people will buy it. As it stands they make almost nothing in China, India and other highly populated places in the world yet those same people are willing to pay if the price is reasonable and the access is easy.

 

This is simply a continuation or evolution of what has been happening in China/Asia for the last 20 years. Previously we could get pirated VCDs and CDs of the latest release movies and albums for around 5-10 renminbi ('Chinese dollars') each, ie US$1 or $2, then it moved to DVD and now to digital media on USB.

 

Any legitimate service has to compete with that, which is going to be very difficult.

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I'm confused why you think anyone is so personally invested in the android tablet activation numbers that he would repeatedly activate a mini PC dongle to boost the count.  That kind of behavior sounds like insanity.  I'm rational though, so I do have to be open to the possibility that there is an insane man somewhere on earth who bought one of these and occupies himself with it day in and day out.

Did you read the article?  These sticks are being made and sold by piraters, with pirated movies installed on them and activated as android tablets with movies installed to play illegally.   There not just some "insane" man installing android on a usb stick.  There being sold by the millions.  There even installing google play store versions of Android on them.  Those do count on googles activation list, as tablets.  The analyst companies like IDC and Gartner use the google activation numbers to supply there data.  Which means that the data is totally worthless.


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What I find funny is how an Android supporter such as yourself comments on things like this on a pro apple sight named AppleInsider, and expects people here to listen to you.

What I find funny is that you think I can't support both. I was reading this website when the original iMac came out. I love Apple products. And I love Google products. And > or.
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Did you read the article?  These sticks are being made and sold by piraters, with pirated movies installed on them and activated as android tablets with movies installed to play illegally.   There not just some "insane" man installing android on a usb stick.  There being sold by the millions.  There even installing google play store versions of Android on them.  Those do count on googles activation list, as tablets.  The analyst companies like IDC and Gartner use the google activation numbers to supply there data.  Which means that the data is totally worthless.

I did read the article, but sog35 was getting at people installing Android on USB dongles and activating it multiple times.

If these market research companies are getting activation data from Google, then you should know right away that those activations don't come from a USB stick with pirated movies. Google counts only devices that have Play Services on board, which only comes on the officially licensed Android devices. If there are boatloads of full-fledged smartphones being sold in China that don't even make the cut to have Google's blessing, do you think Google is going to approve Play Services for a pirated movie drive?
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This is simply a continuation or evolution of what has been happening in China/Asia for the last 20 years. Previously we could get pirated VCDs and CDs of the latest release movies and albums for around 5-10 renminbi ('Chinese dollars') each, ie US$1 or $2, then it moved to DVD and now to digital media on USB.

 

Any legitimate service has to compete with that, which is going to be very difficult.

That's my point! I pay $7 a month and watch as many movies as I want on NetFlix and other streaming video services. They compete rather well with $1 pirated movies of dubious quality. I could watch pirate movies for free yet I end up watching NetFlix because of the convenience. The movie industry has found a solution. They just need to embrace it in places like China.

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The whole Google gang must be very proud!

 

They've made it bigger in China than they ever imagined.

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It is true.  All you need is a PC, USB stick, and Android software which is free.

 

Install Android on USB stick.

Activate.

Uninstall.

Repeat.

 

I don't know how widespread this is but in China I'm sure black market vendors install millions of Android OS on USB sticks every month.  Then these are counting as phone or tablet sales.

 

This is wrong, a device is activated just once despite the number of times is installed the OS on it

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Why do you guys care so much about this? Does it it bother you that much that Apple isn't in the number one spot, they certainly are for brand recognition, profitability, brand loyalty, ect. I highly doubt that these Android sticks or whatever you call them have anything to do with Androids market share. Outside of the US, Europe, small parts of Asia and Australia, cheap Android phones have the market. You can't expect a household with a annual income below 12,000 dollars a year (which is most of the planet) to buy an iPhone. No, it's usually a Symbian or Android phone. Apple sells luxury goods, when they start catering to the other 80% of the world by making 50 dollar or less phones then and only then will they be number one. That will never happen though, nor do we want that to happen.

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This is wrong, a device is activated just once despite the number of times is installed the OS on it

 

and if you format the entire USB? 

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and if you format the entire USB? 

The way I've understood it Google's activation process recognizes and logs the PC/tablet/smartphone or whatever UUID one time only. If that same UUID visits again it's not counted again... and again...and again unless the UUID would happen to change. Installing/uninstalling Android a thousand times won't change that unique number AFAIK. Have you read that Google registers device activations differently than that?
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The way I've understood it Google's activation process recognizes and logs the PC/tablet/smartphone or whatever UDID one time only. If that same UDID visits again it's not counted again... and again...and again unless the UDID would happen to change. Installing/uninstalling Android a thousand times won't change that unique number AFAIK. Have you read that Google registers device activations differently than that?

 

I'm pretty sure there are easy work arounds to their UDID id.  I'm not saying people are doing this but the fact you could use a USB as a tablet makes their activation numbers sketchy at best.

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"Why do you guys care so much about this? Does it it bother you that much that Apple isn't in the number one spot, they certainly are for brand recognition, profitability, brand loyalty, ect."

For me, who has been an Apple fan for many many years and lived through the bad old days when Apple was the doormat and butt of every techie joke, it matters. Apple EARNED its way back, all the way to the top, by being "different." It sickens me to see others easily profit by copying what it worked hard to achieve. On the other hand I don't want Apple to become as arrogant and blind as the corporations it displaced. And in the great cosmic scheme of things this all means nothing. But in the here and now I can't deny the feelings that I have.

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post #77 of 83

It is absolute bull, Any device apple or droid once registered has a id number " not matter if it is a stick,tablet or phone"  all products have a device id so you can not simply activate and re activate to build number. if such a thing were true it would make it impossible to jail break a device because the random id generation.

 

Also as of Dec 2013 android is operating on over 80 percent of devices globally according to Apple corporate office, thus also being the reason all apple products have just went on sale in china " apple trying to cash in on the millions of mobile users here" 

 

This is all easily fact checked threw apples corp. offices

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It is absolute bull, Any device apple or droid once registered has a id number " not matter if it is a stick,tablet or phone"  all products have a device id so you can not simply activate and re activate to build number.

 

Of course you can.

 
if such a thing were true it would make it impossible to jail break a device because the random id generation.

 

No… what? No. Jailbreaking doesn’t have anything to do with that.

 
Also as of Dec 2013 android is operating on over 80 percent of devices globally according to Apple corporate office

 

I don’t think Apple reports anything of the sort.

 
…thus also being the reason all apple products have just went on sale in china  apple trying to cash in on the millions of mobile users here 

 

Nope. And nope.

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It is absolute bull, Any device apple or droid once registered has a id number " not matter if it is a stick,tablet or phone"  all products have a device id so you can not simply activate and re activate to build number. if such a thing were true it would make it impossible to jail break a device because the random id generation.

Also as of Dec 2013 android is operating on over 80 percent of devices globally according to Apple corporate office, thus also being the reason all apple products have just went on sale in china " apple trying to cash in on the millions of mobile users here" 

This is all easily fact checked threw apples corp. offices

Speaking of BS and fact checking, everything you've posted is bullocks.

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Speaking of BS and fact checking, everything you've posted is bullocks.

It is kind of weird to quote such a precise figure without a direct reference. Also welcome back from your second hiatus.

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