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The Retina display on Apple's newest 7.9-inch iPad mini shows a smaller range of colors than the high-resolution screen found on the larger iPad Air and other competing tablets, according to one analysis.

iPad Air vs iPad mini display test
The difference between the displays in the iPad Air and iPad mini can be readily seen in the red areas. | Source: Anandtech


In contrast to the unit's otherwise impressive gains in resolution and performance, Apple has chosen to equip the new iPad mini with a display that features the same narrow color gamut as its non-Retina predecessor, as noted by Anandtech. The tablet was bested by Apple's fourth-generation iPad and new iPad Air, as well as Google's Nexus 7 and Nvidia's Tegra Note 7 in testing.

Measuring color gamut means, broadly, measuring the subset of colors a display can reproduce within a larger, predefined range. The iPads were subjected to tests that measured their ability to reproduce colors within the sRGB color space, an industry standard range of around 1 million colors designed to be used with computers. The difference is most apparent in red, blue, and magenta colors on Apple's new Retina iPad mini.

Differences in color reproduction are quantified with a measurement called Delta-E, which represents the difference between the color the display is asked to reproduce and the color the display actually shows.

The Retina iPad mini managed an average Delta-E of 6.5 across the gamut, compared to 2.4 for the iPad Air and 3.3 for the Nexus 7. Delta-E values of approximately 2.0 or lower are considered unnoticeable to the human eye, while professionals who require display color accuracy --?like photographers and video editors --?aim for Delta-E values of 4.0 or lower on their workstation displays.

Anandtech speculates that Apple believes consumers for whom color accuracy is a concern will choose the iPad Air over the smaller tablet by default, rendering the new iPad mini's marginally narrower color gamut --?a difference which the publication calls "small but apparent" --?a nonissue.
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So in other words it's NOT an oversaturated mess like you find on, say, Samsung devices.

Got it.
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Oh NOW it's Apple's display. If it had beat all the rest in the benchmark, credit would have gone to LG.

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Nothing like Apple rumor sites creating a "gate" out of nothing. 1rolleyes.gif
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This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this.  The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue 

 

How is it that companies with a fraction of the resources can ship much better displays at volume?  

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The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.

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Here come the critics while this thing sells like hot cakes during the holidays...WAY TO GO APPLE!
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This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this.  The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue 

How is it that companies with a fraction of the resources can ship much better displays at volume?  
What volume?
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I read this on iLounge. I'm glad I waited because between this and the camera I will wait another year. I don't need to buy one every single year.
 
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The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.

 

Are you seriously trying to throw mud at Anand? It's not like he did a separate article calling Apple out, this was included in his comprehensive iPad mini Retina review. And Anand has always been kind to Apple devices; it's not like he's a hater.

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iPad Air?

Nexus line? They really sell like hot cakes, (what that was, 2 million per month?) and Asus (!!!) can do it. Don't be a fool.
Nexus is selling 2M per month? Do you have a source for that?
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I can confirm this. I went to the Apple store on Saturday to checkout the New iPad Air and Retina Mini. I did my normal test that I do at all Apple stores when new devices are launched. As a hobby I do photography so Display matters a lot to me. I picked up an iPad Retina Mini and went to my Flickr account and looked at my pictures. I immediately noticed all my pics look a bit washed out (The colors were less saturated). I then went to a iPad Air and the colors looked a lot better. I then looked at them on the iMac and the Retina MacBook Pro. All fine, but Retina MacBook Pro looked amazing, of course. I then went back to the iPad Mini Retina and looked at my photos again and they looked washed out. I was considering a Retina Mina but now I will wait. Accurate colors matters a lot to me. My girlfriend or daughter wouldn't notice a thing, so it can be a good Xmas gift to them.
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So in other words it's NOT an oversaturated mess like you find on, say, Samsung devices.

Got it.

 

Unfortunately, Thats probably not it.
A lower colour Gamut doesn't mean less saturation, it could be the the screen is going to display some colours incorrectly (it has a lower colour range).
could make a pic thats meant to show a specific blue, being shown as a slightly different blue (maybe mixed into green).
in the iPad mini retinas case, its most likely not a big issue, its colour Gamut is probably only a little lower than the iPad Air, apples standard for accuracy is superkickass :) so its probably no biggy.
I didn't some reading, Super amoled actually has a higher colour gamut compared to IPS LCD, but none of the samsung devices have anything to calibrate the display colour (like a chip of some sort) so they show crazy colours, i have a few super amoled screens.....Really don't like em.
Amoled can display above the sRGB standard, which doesn't matter if they can't configure it properly. 

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but but.......  iPad Mini w R gave me 16 GB extra space + Convenience to hold and use.

 

Also I do not have Air next to me to compare and whine about Mini color :lol: 

 

Buy what you want. Media has always whined about Apple products!

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Blah Blah...

Paraphrase: no, I just made the numbers up.
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The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.

 

It doesn't have a "shitty" gamut. The gamut is just not QUITE as high as that of the iPad Air, in a way that not a single consumer would notice, nor a single reviewer without scientific testing. Every single hands-on/review has said the screen looks just as good as that of the Air's. But nice use of subtlety there. 

 

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This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this.  The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue 

 

How is it that companies with a fraction of the resources can ship much better displays at volume?  

 

What fucking company on the planet ships anywhere NEAR the tablet volume as Apple? Not to worry, MacAir will enlighten us soon..

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What the **** is wrong with Apple? How can people give them a pass for this crap?

Not using the same tech used on the Air, to save a few bucks for net profit?

 

And here I was, thinking that it was about doing the best product possible. Bean counters... But I admit that it is much worse on the Macbook Air.

I still love it, though.

 

Is that what you think actually happened? That Apple had 2 choices, all things were equal, one was a few bucks less, and they were like "yeah lets gowith that one"? It couldn't POSSIBLY be that they're 2 separate devices, with different screens, made by different manufacturers, with different design/engineering considerations, and they did not have the option of using the  EXACT SAME screen with the EXACT SAME specs as the Air?Your assumptions are ludicrous, childish, and ignorant. 

 

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iPad Air?

 

Nexus line? They really sell like hot cakes, (what that was, 2 million per month?) and Asus (!!!) can do it. Don't be a fool.

 

And.. here we go. When backing up "How is it that companies with a fraction of the resources can ship much better displays at volume?", your first example of such a product is.. wait for it... not a product from another company, but another iPad model. What brilliant argumentative skills you have. And then you bring up the Nexus line- a tablet that sells NOWHERE NEAR the volume of the iPad (even if you aren't lying about the 2 million/month figure- which you are- thats still only 12% or so of Apple's volume- not exactly "similar), yet you're so desperately grasping at straws to prove your "point", so that's the best you can do. Not only that, but since you're comparing smaller tablets, the Nexus 7 would be the only reasonable comparison- which has a screen resolution of 1920x1200, compared to 2048x1536 for the iPad mini- A full 27% less pixels.

 

Then you go on and call people "fools" after failing to make a meaningful comparison, or coming up with a single equivalent product that sells at volume and has a screen quality that exceeds that of the mini. I'd be embarrassed for you, if you didn't act so much like a tool. If you think there's a superior product out there, go buy it, instead of pretending to be outraged over something that there's no chance in hell you would have perceived. 

 

PS- The same reviewer that wrote that review also wrote in last year's mini review how he "wouldn't hold his breath" for the 2013 mini to have a retina display- because of the massive computational engineering advances that would have to be made to make that possible in that form factor. That should tell you something about the impressiveness of what Apple's done, compared to your ignorant, self-righteous "how can people give them a pass for this crap" drivel without an ounce of perspective or rationality.  


Edited by Slurpy - 11/18/13 at 9:24am
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This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this.  The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue 

How is it that companies with a fraction of the resources can ship much better displays at volume?  

Who else is shipping the the same volume as Apple?
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If apple decided to put a crappier display in the mini it's only because they knew what we wanted before we wanted it, and I for one welcome the smaller range of colors.
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I have both the Air and new mini and its not so bad.  You can see the difference if you look carefully at both but normally you just used one device at a time...

 

On the other hand, the screen retention problem seems pretty serious. My ipad Air has it, my mini is OK. From what I saw the problem is pretty wipespread and could trigger a major recall at some point.

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Again, why do you always do this? What is that sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?

 

 

The ****? You stated as a "fact" that the Nexus line sells 2 million/month, in order to support your argument, which was predicated on volume. When he asks you for a source for that # to you know, make sure you're not pulling it out of your ass (which apparently you are) you call it a "sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?" What the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you answer his damn question and provide a source, or GTFO and admit that you're lying through your teeth, and making shit up, in order to support fallacious arguments? This has nothing to do with "defending Apple". It has everything to do with spouting correct information that is the pre-requisite for any kind of honest, rational debate. Something you're incapable, or uninterested in. 

 

HEY GUYS APPLE SUCKS HOW COME NEXUS CAN SELL 56 MILLION A MONTH AND APPLE CANT

Uh, source?

LOL WHAT A SICK NEED TO DEFEND APPLE! THERES NO EXCUSE!

 

Does that line or argumentation make sense to you? I can't believe you don't understand how ridiculous you sound. 

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This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this.  The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue

I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.

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It doesn't have a "shitty" gamut. The gamut is just not QUITE as high as that of the iPad Air, in a way that not a single consumer would notice, nor a single reviewer without scientific testing. Every single hands-on/review has said the screen looks just as good as that of the Air's. But nice use of subtlety there. 

I meant the $79 whitebox tablet had a shitty gamut, not the iPad mini.

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I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.

Confirming that Amazon are a company focusing on high-quality high-margin products, and that people should have expected the same level of quality from them as they do from Apple.

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The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.

A 79.00 device wouldn't be expected to have the same color gamut as a 399.00 device. Everyone on this forum knows it's a roll of the dice when it comes to Apple display vendors. A Mini could cost as much as 829.00, consumers should expect a near perfect display for that price. Also a 70.00 baseline price increase because of the display. 

 

Can't boast best in the world, premium and everything else is garbage and then get upset when a flaw is found. 

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Even if Apple was able to convince LG to manufacture a display size other than their 16:9, imagine the kind of media backlash Apple would've received had they used a Kindle like display with the same blue hue around the edges. They would never hear the end of it, "Display Gate", "You're viewing it wrong" etc.

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When the iPad Mini was first released, speculation was that Apple was re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 3GS. It stands to reason to again speculate that they are now re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 5 for the new Mini. I wonder how the iPhone 5 color accuracy compares.

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Yes, last year Anandtech said don't hold your breath for a retina mini in 2013.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6429/ipad-mini-review/5

Perhaps all those engineering issues weren't solved and so Apple delivered the best retina mini they could right now.
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I'm actually happy about this.

 

I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.

 

The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.

 

The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.

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Perhaps all those engineering issues weren't solved and so Apple delivered the best retina mini they could right now.

Or they delivered the best retina their profit margin would allow.
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Anandtech speculates that Apple believes consumers for whom color accuracy is a concern will choose the iPad Air over the smaller tablet by default, rendering the new iPad mini's marginally narrower color gamut --?a difference which the publication calls "small but apparent" --?a nonissue.

 

Does Apple provide information about iPad display color accuracy on their web site?  Unless Apple actually provides this information, wouldn't people just assume (and rightly so) that color accuracy is the same on all iPad models?


Edited by Haggar - 11/18/13 at 9:58am
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The Mini and the Macbook Air show that it isn't about that. It's about margins, and that makes Apple an hypocrite, because they always come with the "different" thing. As fair as I know, they aren't worse than others, just hypocrites too.

 

imo the ipad mini with retina and ipad Air are fine regarding margins. Those device are pretty high end and come with a nice bundle of software. I have both devices and the color difference is barely noticable when comparing the devices.

 

imo the ipad 2 at $400 and the old mini at $300 are rip off, considering they are 3 years old tech that are still more expensive than top of line offering from the competition that beat the crap out of those devices.

 

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With 40% margins and 160 billion on the bank for fat useless shareholders, Apple should treat their costumers better. Stupid decision. They didn't bet on LTPS LCD nor on IGZO. Just wait and see posture. Disgusting for the leader on innovation and the most valuable company in the world.

 

Last time I check the Air and rMini are both using IGZO screens.  Also, the tablets are using a top of the line 64bits CPU/GPU that offer the same performance of the Samsung, Qualcomm and Nivia chips at HALF the clockrate. The A7 is way ahead of the pack. Apple also release a touch ID sensor on the ip5s that actually works well.  imo Apple is still the king of innovation...

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Again, why do you always do this? What is that sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?

 

Joined Nov 2013 with 35 posts and you know he "always do this"?  That suggests someone previously banned with a new account.  Congrats…

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What the **** is wrong with Apple? How can people give them a pass for this crap?
Not using the same tech used on the Air, to save a few bucks for net profit?

And here I was, thinking that it was about doing the best product possible. Bean counters... But I admit that it is much worse on the Macbook Air.
I still love it, though.

Give them a pass for what crap? What standard does the LG display panel used in the iPad mini retina display have to live up to before people who say "stop blowing this issue into gamut gate" are not slammed for "making excuses for Apple when there's no possible excuse"?

Please, quantify the minimum gamut that defines the line between "this crap" and "excusable."

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I'm actually happy about this.

I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.

The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.

The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.

WTH? Why can't they both be top notch?
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well, i have the new mini retina and I love it.

I'm not sure that this "issue" is something that anybody other than photography and graphic design pros (oh, and "bloggerz") would even notice.

nobody at apple ever said or implied that "the mini iPad retina is exactly the same as the iPad air, only smaller"

more applesauce from the applesmashers...

if you're so indignantly upset, return the mini (you're within the return "window", good luck taking back an android tablet because you're "not happy"), buy the air and s.t.f.u.
Edited by vaporland - 11/18/13 at 10:04am
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Glad I bought the Air.
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That suggests someone previously banned with a new account.  Congrats…

OH SNAP! Good one bro!
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I'm actually happy about this.

I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.

The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.

The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.
Sorry but Apple has never claimed the Air was their premium product. Most likely the mini is clocked lower because of thermal and battery issues, not to give the Air a "premium" edge. Probably the same thing with color gamut.
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Sorry but Apple has never claimed the Air was their premium product.
I thought their claim was that all their products were premium.
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