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Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post

Clearly it is not "continuing to heat up".  Global daily sales of 850 units over a two month debut in the general consumer marketplace can't be described as anything except a dismal failure in a virtually nonexistent market.  Apple must be laughing themselves silly, their misdirection having worked so flawlessly.

I agree. I really don't see this as being a big market, especially seeing as you need a phone as well to pair it with. I don't think a watch is the right device, but I'm not really sure what else could be done.
post #82 of 112
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Originally Posted by Andrey View Post
 

 

Lonely worthy comment in a pile of garbage.   Today I found my Citizen Ecco-drive in another pile of garbage.  Coincidence? Beautiful titanium watch.... no signs of life. It's been a while since I wore them.  Cell phone killed watch for millions, including myself and you can call it super smart watch: there is no demand. I don't think Apple will have enough fanatics to justify design, development and manufacturing. Maybe Apple just spread a rumor to lure silly Koreans into a marketing trap.


I don't doubt that Apple's working on some sort of watch project.  Whether they will actually launch the fabled unicorn iWatch remains to be seen.  The difference is that Apple will release it if and when the product is actually ready.  It might be next year, it might be five years from now, it might be never.  Keep in mind that Apple had worked on touchscreen tablets over a decade prior to the iPad launch, but kept waiting until the technology, market conditions, and the product development were ready.  But, in the meantime, much of that tablet R&D laid the foundation for the iPhone. 

 

But, there is a danger in conflating your use case into a conclusion that "there is no demand" for a smartwatch.  All that the Samsung Galaxy Gear proves is that there's virtually no demand for an overpriced wearable device that has limited functionality on its own, and has numerous functions that were clearly rushed to production before they were ready.  And keep in mind that before the iPad came along, the tablet computer had largely failed in the market. 

 

Even though you don't wear a watch, millions of others do.  At the low end, watches are commodified -- far more so than even smartphones.  Yet, there's also a sizable high end market that is largely analog and fashion-driven.  At the same time, watches for the most part remain limited in what they can do well. The issue for Apple is whether there is an addressable niche that nobody has adequately covered to date. 

 

With the iPad, they were able to leverage their iOS ecosystem and ramp up a previously failed market segment.  Maybe this is a case where technology alone will not be the final determinant, where the design plays a bigger role than with Apple's other products.  Or Apple's still looking for the right combination of use cases -- things that a watch does not currently do, but can do very well.  Either way, Apple's history indicates that they will not come out with something unless they know that it can perform a tightly selected set of functions exceptionally well. 

post #83 of 112
Really surprised here that no one mentioned the Pebble that works with both Android & iOS devices, costs half as much, has great battery life, and has awesome third party support.

No shit the Galaxy Gear isn't going to sell well when it's $50 shy of a brand new Nexus 5. I own a Note II & wouldn't give this thing the time of day (ha! Get it?)
post #84 of 112

Probably 30,000 units bought from Samsung employees and their relatives!

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Agreed, I love my Pebble, like getting a little vibrate on the wrist, take a peek at new notifications, emails, text, very handy.  If I walk out of range of the phone, it vibrates to tell me.  With the app support it does stocks, weather, and even GPS maps.  It runs long, is very visible outside with eInk screen.  This shows me that these can be really useful, and I can't wait to see what apple could do with the concept.  I would love to see color and touch incorporated, that would be cake.

post #86 of 112
Samsung innovation, jurors take Note (tm) 3
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post

Wahhh.. Whahhh...

Only in your dreams you hope Apple makes such a piece of junk.
post #88 of 112

Remember, Samsung made failing smartphones before the iPhone came out.

 

They should have waited until Apple came out with their watch first, so they can copy them.

post #89 of 112
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post
 

I know someone who got this.

It was comical watching him fumbling around trying to do simple things.

 

I still believe Apple will do it right and make it intuitive.

 

Yes, if Apple do actually produce a Watch and bet your bottom-dollar, Samsung will come up with an amazing copy.

post #90 of 112
As an Android user, I find it stupid how the Galaxy Gear is only for Samsung 2013-12 devices. (I use an HTC One, before a 4s). Their exclusivity is killing sales and the price of $300 without basic watch features such as waterproofing (Sony Smartwatch 2 has basic protection; the Gear has virtually none) and the gimmicks are terrible. Hopefully Apple/Google/someone other than Samsung will come up with a better one
post #91 of 112
I don't see any substantial market for watches that have a battery time of one day or even in the case of the rumored Apple watch, 5 days. It's a joke that you have to charge your watch everyday or even every weekend.

However, I see a good point in these watches: offering you nice time readings. The market of digital watches has been reduced a lot, and it's really hard to find a cool digital watch nowadays. With these smart watches you could configure a nice looking time display. But that doesn't justify charging the battery every night or every weekend. They can do such nice configurable time display with batteries lasting one year or more.
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Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post
 

Good point, jungmark. And just wait until the various analysts start counting in the "white box" segment of the watch market (you know, timex and seiko and street-corner knock-offs) and we'll see Sammy's share drop to under 0.01%.  But of course, the same analysts will slant the story to point out that it's an infinitely greater part of market share than the zero share carried by Apple.  I wonder what part of the watch market can be claimed by Rolex?  I'm fairly certain they don't feel threatened, even if they only sell 50,000 watches per year.

 

according to Forbes :

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To some extent both the haters and fans are moved by the same lever: the sheer success of Rolex as a watch brand (the single largest luxury watch brand in the world, with an annual production approaching one million watches a year) as well as its habitual secretiveness (Rolex is privately held and notoriously reticent; one sometimes feels its entire global PR department consists of a solitary bored functionary in a small room with a well-worn rubber stamp that says “No Comment”) make it a lightning rod for comments fiercely pro and devastatingly con, and the incredible boom in the last few years in prices paid for vintage Rolexes has only made the arguments more heated.  (In 2010, a Rolex model 5510 Submariner –a very early version of the company’s most bluntly utilitarian diver’s watch –sold at auction at Christie’s for $98,500, and prices have only gone up since then.)

 

Quite a bit more, you wouldn't say ?

 

In fact they remind me a lot of Apple, especially in the PR departement.

post #93 of 112

Samscrap is in panic: now they are copying even from rumored Apple products! :D

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Wait for it...

 

Wait for it...

 


Edited by richsadams - 11/18/13 at 10:59pm
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I see a lot of blaming Samsung here, but really watches are a joke. In general if you see a watch on somebodies wrist you have a flag that says avoid me because I'm an asshole.

 

That's very harsh on watch wearers!! Or are you referring specifically to 'smartwatch' wearers?

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I see a lot of blaming Samsung here, but really watches are a joke. In general if you see a watch on somebodies wrist you have a flag that says avoid me because I'm an asshole.

 

When you see a watch on someone you hold up a flag saying that you're an ass?  Makes sense to me.

post #97 of 112
You can't really blame them. They had nothing to copy.
post #98 of 112
The verge is reporting 800,000. I'm confused
post #99 of 112

How do you tell time without a watch? With your cell phone I would presume.

post #100 of 112
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Originally Posted by RogueDogRandy View Post
 

I aaas thinking that if Apple began selling a smart watch tomorrow, they would outsell scamscum in the first hour.    seriously - they would

Sorry, I have to update my math. If indeed 800000 sold - then Apple (with an iWatch) would outsell scums in the first 2 hours. Sorry for the mistake...

bTW, there can't be 800000 droid dorks that are THAT stupid.

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post #101 of 112
Ok so how many of you actually used the gear for any amount of time. I got one three days ago and love it, the battery last from 6.30am and still had 58% charge by 11pm, put on charge while I had a shower and check within half an hour and it was fully charged again. I used it for phone calls all day texting and playing with it. Its one thing to say apples version will be better but what are you basing that on. Where is it ? What does it look like?, and what can it do?, no one knows so how can you say it will be better.
post #102 of 112

It's a better strategy for Samsung to wait for someone like Apple to develop the watch, clone it, and then spend a tiny portion of their profits and savings from R&D on court cases and hiring bloggers and journalists to lampoon Apple for pretending to invent a grid, or a watch, or whatever will redirect public sentiment away from the idea that you just copied.

 

They made about $17 billion cloning the iPhone and they are now debating $350 million versus around $35 million in penalties. The lesson learned; steal everything and whine about the litigious nature of Apple later.

post #103 of 112
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Ok so how many of you actually used the gear for any amount of time. I got one three days ago and love it, the battery last from 6.30am and still had 58% charge by 11pm, put on charge while I had a shower and check within half an hour and it was fully charged again. I used it for phone calls all day texting and playing with it. Its one thing to say apples version will be better but what are you basing that on. Where is it ? What does it look like?, and what can it do?, no one knows so how can you say it will be better.

A watch that "Still can tell time" for nearly 28 hours? Be still my heart!

post #104 of 112
Now that every employee of Samsung owns one (in an effort to save face with their bosses) and now that Samsung's global channels are stuffed with units samsung will count as sold, what now? Oh, 800 - 900 units per day moving through the channels. Big whoop!

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
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post #105 of 112

you can be sure that Samsung's announced 800k "sales" are actually just "shipped" - SS has a long documented history of routinely  misrepresenting and flat out lying about such stats (the Apple lawsuit disclosures were damning). so essentially that is the amount of their first production run, now distributed into their global sales channels. for all we know, the actual consumer sales could still be as few as the 50k rumor.

 

but realistically, there are enough gadget-loving SS fans around the world - especially Asia - to sell a couple hundred K of almost anything SS quickly. after that, tho ...

post #106 of 112
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Originally Posted by KPOM View Post
 

 

But that's essentially what the Galaxy Gear is, and Samsung couldn't pull it off at a lower price point or smaller size. The Gear relies on a Note 3 or Galaxy Tab 10.1. Supposedly it will also support the Galaxy S4 and S3 at some point.

 

I think to sell well, it's a matter less about features, and more about looks. People might buy a $100 "iWatch" that is essentially nothing more than a Nike Flexband that tells time provided that it looks sharp. They might buy a $500 version that is a Siri/notification device, again provided that it looks like a $500 device (e.g. a Movado or ESQ). But first and foremost, it needs to be stylish, and be available in versions that look good on a skinny woman as well as a larger man.

 

I only mention the Siri integration as a value-add.  The main marker of this is that it tells time (the primary function of a watch). Maybe even with the adds of a stopwatch and alarm integrated into it (again, much like most digital watches now).  None of those require the iPhone (or any device for that matter).  And there is the distinction, the Gear requires that you have it paired to a device, whereas the iWatch (or whatever Apple would call it) does not. It could be its own entity, and if you choose to pair it with your iPhone, you can get those added functions.

 

I seriously don't think Apple could sell this watch at any price higher than $99.  People just wouldn't buy it (I don't think).

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post #107 of 112
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you can be sure that Samsung's announced 800k "sales" are actually just "shipped" - SS has a long documented history of routinely  misrepresenting and flat out lying about such stats (the Apple lawsuit disclosures were damning). so essentially that is the amount of their first production run, now distributed into their global sales channels. for all we know, the actual consumer sales could still be as few as the 50k rumor.

 

but realistically, there are enough gadget-loving SS fans around the world - especially Asia - to sell a couple hundred K of almost anything SS quickly. after that, tho ...

 

Exactly.  Plus if the reported 30% return rate is taken into account...

post #108 of 112
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I don't think Apple did anything of the sort.  Thank the media and so-called industry "moles" for essentially guessing.  Apple did nothing nor said anything about what they were doing.  Of course Tim Cook did mention something about wearable devices but that could be anything.

Really? So, you don’t think Apple registering “iWatch" trademarks in a dozen countries wasn’t stoking the “wearables fever” a bit?
post #109 of 112
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The verge is reporting 800,000. I'm confused

Allegedly that number refers to shipped, not sold.

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post #110 of 112

Samsung may have shipped 800,000, but sold that many. I doubt it. Not when you need a tablet or phone of theres just to make that over priced dumb watch somewhat smart. Who cares if they came out first with it. It's still garbage.

Apple didn't come out first with an MP3 player, Cell phone, or tablet. Look how that worked out for them.

It's not who's first, it is who can make the product that people will actually want to use with features that actually are smart and looks that are great.

Something Samsung doesn't know anything about unless they copy Apple that is.

post #111 of 112

There are idiots who buy any new fad that comes out in the market.

post #112 of 112

Shipping a product and actually selling a product are two different worlds.  Samsung cooks the books by never releasing actual, honest sales figures.  At least MS employs some transparency by writing down unsold and returned stock.  

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