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Rumor: Supplier now building 12.9-inch Apple iPad displays for early 2014 launch

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A "first-tier display supplier" is building 12.9-inch Retina displays for use in a new jumbo-sized iPad set to launch in early 2014, a new report out of Korea claims.

iPad Air
The iPad Air is currently Apple's largest tablet with a 9.7-inch display.


The details were reported on Tuesday by The Korea Times, which cited an official at a local Apple supplier in Korea. According to the unnamed source, the 12.9-inch Retina display is currently being manufactured in the country as Apple gears up for a launch in the coming months.

Apple is said to be "increasingly interested" in building a bigger iPad, as the company sees that tablets will continue to replace traditional PC form factors. The unnamed source also reportedly said that the new iPad will have improved picture quality on par with "ultra high-definition" displays.

Tuesday's latest report is not the first to hint at a bigger iPad, nor is it the first to give a specific 12.9-inch screen size for such a device. Another rumor from earlier this month claimed that Foxconn was testing production of a larger-screened iPad for a spring 2014 release.

Such reports are not limited to overseas publications, either. The Wall Street Journal claimed in July that Apple has been toying with larger screen sizes on its best selling devices, exploring the possibility of both a 13-inch iPad and an iPhone with a larger display for launch in the next year.

Specifically, the Journal claimed in July that Apple has built a prototype iPad with a screen sized "slightly less than 13 inches diagonally." A 13-inch iPad would put it in a similar class with the MacBook Pro and MacBook Air, both of which are available with 13.3-inch screens.

iPad Air
From top: iPad mini, iPad Air, 3rd generation iPad.


Noted insider John Gruber of Daring Fireball said in May that he expects Apple to release an iOS-based notebook "eventually" -- speculation that may align with Apple's alleged interest in a 13-inch touchscreen panel. Gruber said he does not, however, expect Apple to ever release a touchscreen MacBook.

Reports of a larger iPad model could also align with details first reported by AppleInsider in September on a new mystery product apparently intended to use a 17-watt power supply. People familiar with the matter said that Apple recently began the process of procuring low-cost components for the new 17-watt adapter, which would provide more juice than is necessary for the iPad Air, but significantly less than is required to power the company's MacBook Air lineup.

The naming of the new iPad Air has also helped to fuel speculation that Apple could be setting the stage for a so-called "iPad Pro," geared toward professional users and intended as a more full-fledged notebook replacement.
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Touchscreen MacBook?
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Wow.  Time to return my Air

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When asked if Apple planned to build a notebook that closed "in a clever way" to let it be used as a tablet, Mr Cook attacked the idea.

"Anything can be forced to converge," he said in a conference call after the results, as transcribed by financial news website Seeking Alpha.

"But the problem is that products are about trade-offs, and you begin to make trade-offs to the point where what you have left at the end of the day doesn't please anyone.

"You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator, but those things are probably not going to be pleasing to the user.

"We're not going to that party... others might from a defensive point of view."

source: bbc news
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iPad Pro? No thanks, I'll wait for the iPad CoffeeTable with Retina Display...84 diagonal inches of glorious, full colour table goodness. Available in 2019 at your local Apple Furniture Warehouse. Love the wood grain accent trim!
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What is a 12.9 inch iPad going to be better than? 

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A larger iPad form factor is inevitable. Can't wait to see what %uF8FF unveils.
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What is a 12.9 inch iPad going to be better than? 

 

full size digital keyboard.  Real keyboards are about 11-12 inches wide

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Sounds interesting. It looks increasingly like Apple is taking the opposite approach from Microsoft. Instead of trying to scale down a desktop operating system to run on mobile devices, they want to scale up their existing mobile OS to become more powerful. I wonder if the "iPad Pro" will have a souped up A7 or A7X?
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An iPad Mini for traveling and out & about and 12.9" iPad for the couch or making one on one presentations. I really hope this rumor is true.

 

The iPad Mini replaces (mostly) a $1,500 MBA/MBP and the 12.9" replaces the home $2,000 iMac desktop (again, mostly!)

 

These with an 5s, an ATV, and a TimeCapsule and I'm good! :)

 

Best

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13 inch Retina screen

A7X

4GB ram

Touch ID

 

$649

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Sounds interesting. It looks increasingly like Apple is taking the opposite approach from Microsoft. Instead of trying to scale down a desktop operating system to run on mobile devices, they want to scale up their existing mobile OS to become more powerful. I wonder if the "iPad Pro" will have a souped up A7 or A7X?
What operating system will it run?
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Devices of this sort are vital to replace paper. Perhaps the typical home of the future will have large tablets on coffee tables instead of magazines and newspapers.
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heavens to murgatroid
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Wow.  Time to return my Air

Funny. Made me smile! :)

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13 inch Retina screen
A7X
4GB ram
Touch ID

$649

And the point of this would be what exactly? And what is an A7X? If Apple still needed to produce "X" chips wouldn't they have used it in the Air? Or did they purposely leave it off the Air to safe it for a "pro" iPad? I'm still not seeing the point of this device if it's running the current software that is on the Air.
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 The Korea Times, which cited an official at a local Apple supplier in Korea. According to the unnamed source, the 12.9-inch Retina display is currently being manufactured in the country as Apple gears up for a launch in the coming months.

Well, that narrows it down 2 (LG or Samsung).  Sharp is in Japan (well with a components division in Korea, but the glass is made in JP)

 

Or it could be Apple back channeling stuff down to a marketing organization ('supplying Apple with posters and swag'), to get Samsung and LG to  zig when apple is Zagging ('Hey, we got Samsung to make watches... let's see them make a 15" tablet... let them define the market for us with out us risking anything...;-). 

 

12.9"?  with a bezel?   big ass tablet (thinking battery to drive it as long as the current 10"?).   But 'in a class' with Macbook Air and MacBook Pro based only on screen size?   that's a stretch for 2014.    In 2016, when ARM and x86 have basically absorbed each other's leads and we see both in a 10ish nm etching....   Then I think you see a ARM notebook with a 'new' OSX, that is basically iOS ("When I left you, I was but the learner, now, I am the master.")

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I actually speculated in another thread that the next Apple Keynote was going to introduce an iPad Pro with a higher resolution display. Kinda upset that I bought an iPad Air. I wonder what kind of chip it'll use. Certainly not an A7(X?) right?
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I like those kind of rumors. It means Apple R&D is healthty

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And the point of this would be what exactly? And what is an A7X? If Apple still needed to produce "X" chips wouldn't they have used it in the Air? Or did they purposely leave it off the Air to safe it for a "pro" iPad? I'm still not seeing the point of this device if it's running the current software that is on the Air.

 

If the ipad pro really is 4k resolution, its going to need the "X"

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What is a 12.9 inch iPad going to be better than? 

 

it going to be better than the ipad air for hitting you on the head it with it...

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What operating system will it run?

My guess is iOS. Think about it. Mac OS, including OS X has been a niche OS for decades. iOS is the #2 mobile OS overall, close to #1 in the US, and accounts for more than half of mobile profits and mobile app downloads. There's a reason Apple was first to introduce a 64-bit ARM processor and 64-bit mobile OS. They see it as the future of computing and want to secure their place in it. It's also why they ported the iOS versions of iWork over to Mac rather than the other way around. They want to promote iOS as the future, and Macs will be "dragged along" to further interoperability.

 

Microsoft prefers the opposite approach, which makes sense since Windows is by far the dominant desktop OS. Hence the whole drive to push a single Windows 8.1 for desktops, notebooks, and mobile devices.

 

The wild card here is Google. Android is the dominant mobile OS, but Google's control over it is tenuous. Chrome is fully within Google's control, but it doesn't have the same market penetration. Logically, I see Chrome and Android converging over time, but don't know whether Google will build up Chrome so that it replaces Android, or keep the two separate, but converged, much like iOS and OS X. I think Google would prefer the former but am not sure they can get there.

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iPad Pro? No thanks, I'll wait for the iPad CoffeeTable with Retina Display...84 diagonal inches of glorious, full colour table goodness. Available in 2019 at your local Apple Furniture Warehouse. Love the wood grain accent trim!

Sorry, no wood grain finishes.   Skueomorphism is out.

 

It will be in Jony Ive's white kitchen appliance plastic white.   With gold anodized trim.

 

Except for the red one they will make for Bono.

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1. Everyone of Apple's products steps up by 2", but this steps up by 3"?

2. How do you hold a 13" iPad?
Edited by Ireland - 11/19/13 at 6:49am
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Apple should not forget the segment that has always been faithful...the creative types. That being said, an iPad "pro" would be a nod I that direction. Echoing, with sincerity, what others are wishing out loud for: on the hardware side: big processor boost; substantial ram; maybe, just maybe, a SD/micro SD slot...on the iOS side: a more practical file management system; a less cumbersome inter-app transfer pathway (really, for these iOS based visions, just take note of what time tested operations in terms of desktop based OS approaches are no-brainers)...these would be the critical requests for a pro model. Come on Apple, get ballsy, slap the competition upside their collective heads. I certainly can see blasting out self-produced music on one of these hypothetical babies. iOS SHOULD clearly merge the best of what makes a desktop computer the ultimate goto device for final production. I need total recall of soft synths and projects as Logic does on a future iOS environment...there will be a desktop replacement in the near future, there will be a merging of both worlds in which Apple has spent years perfecting!
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An iPad Mini for traveling and out & about and 12.9" iPad for the couch or making one on one presentations. I really hope this rumor is true.

 

The iPad Mini replaces (mostly) a $1,500 MBA/MBP and the 12.9" replaces the home $2,000 iMac desktop (again, mostly!)

 

These with an 5s, an ATV, and a TimeCapsule and I'm good! :)

 

Best

 

I'm trying to grok the 12.9 iPad 'for the couch' or 1on1 presentations...  

 

Personally, I think Apple is driving for 3 jobs for it's iOS devices with crossover points

1) on the go portability (one hand)   - iphone/ipad mini

2) personal productivity (one person) - ipad mini, ipad air, ipad 13

3) professional productivity (think Doctor, Designer), iPad Air, iPad 13

 

The Mac Line still does a different job (multi-task professional).   It's the 'connection workhorse'

 

I truly think the appleTV will become effectively a 'server' that an 'app' on an above device will control.

 

And the TimeCapsule will become 'iCloud Local'  controlling local syncing, caching stuff for upstream and downstream.   As IPV6 gets onto the Internet backbone... I wouldn't be surprised that Bonjour will be hardened keep your local storage always online.... and allow people to control what they truly put in the cloud, and what they want to access over the internet (Every home is part of the server farm in Apple's Cloud).

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2. How do you hold a 13" iPad?

 

With your hands.

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A 12.9 inch iPad - finally a fit replacement for my heavy paper magazines! I'm all for this, looking forward to it - if it's true that is.
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This could be a ploy like the 'iWatch' to get others (cough, samsung, cough) to rush something to market?
 

I always thought a 'legal pad' would be useful but I have no idea what the market is for it. I can see health inspectors using them instead of hard copies since just about everyone has an eMail addy now. A hard copy could always be mailed out for probably the same price as printing one.

 

A larger touch screen for work stuff would be nice, but isn't mandatory. Particularly if you want to run two apps side x side I suppose. The thing is, it's not real portable at that size because it's gotta be about 2#. Unless there's a magic dock/stand coming with it, maybe induction charging? Also, is that gonna be a 4k screen?

 

This might be fun to watch :)

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"%uF8FF" was supposed to be the Apple logo.
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This could be a ploy like the 'iWatch' to get others (cough, samsung, cough) to rush something to market?

 
I always thought a 'legal pad' would be useful but I have no idea what the market is for it. I can see health inspectors using them instead of hard copies since just about everyone has an eMail addy now. A hard copy could always be mailed out for probably the same price as printing one.

A larger touch screen for work stuff would be nice, but isn't mandatory. Particularly if you want to run two apps side x side I suppose. The thing is, it's not real portable at that size because it's gotta be about 2#. Unless there's a magic dock/stand coming with it, maybe induction charging? Also, is that gonna be a 4k screen?

This might be fun to watch 1smile.gif

I think a 13" display gets people thinking about the iPad as a PC replacement. The size is almost kind of psychological. Pro suites often have lots of UI elements, so having the larger screen for people who really live in productivity and creation apps is important. Also, among the many things iPad is eating away at is television. TV shows, movies, games... They all love bigger screens. I hope this thing is really light.
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With your hands.

Yes, and you can hold a bucket of sand with your hands too, but it's not a pleasant experience. This thing will be too big and too heavy. Not happening. If Apple does release a 13" iOS device it won't be designed to be held in your hands; it won't be an iPad Pro.
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Unless there's a magic dock/stand coming with it, maybe induction charging?

Please elaborate your points here? What's a magic stand? And why would this device have induction charging when the iPad Air doesn't, and yet it's battery would be smaller?
Edited by Ireland - 11/19/13 at 7:05am
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I think a 13" display gets people thinking about the iPad as a PC replacement. The size is almost kind of psychological. Pro suites often have lots of UI elements, so having the larger screen for people who really live in productivity and creation apps is important.

I don't know about that. I see laptop or desktop as way more useful/productive than a 13" iPad, and it loses one of the main advantages of an iPad over a MacBook Air: amazing portability. I'm not seeing a 13" iPad from Apple. As it is they are trying desperately to make the 10" iPad much smaller and lighter.
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Yes, and you can hold a bucket of sand with your hands too, but it's not a pleasant experience. This thing will be too big and too heavy. Not happening. If Apple does release a 13" iOS device it won't be designed to be held in your hands; it won't be an iPad Pro.

 

The first gen iPad came in at a honking 1.5 lbs. The current iPad Air is 1 lb. That's a 33.5% cut in weight.

 

There is nothing to make me believe that Apple couldn't build a 13" device that weighs the same as the iPad v1.

 

My Wife has held her v1 just fine for over 3 years now.

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post #36 of 130
My guess is that Apple is standardizing on 326 PPI displays. If this is right, then this should be a 2,520 x 3,360 display.

I'm also guessing that the next iPad Air will be a 1,920 x 2,560 display at 9.8" diagonal.
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I don't know about that. I see laptop or desktop as way more useful/productive than a 13" iPad, and it loses one of the main advantages of an iPad over a MacBook Air: amazing portability. I'm not seeing a 13" iPad from Apple. As it is they are trying desperately to make the 10" iPad much smaller and lighter.

 

 

My thoughts exactly. They need a bigger iphone a lot more than a bigger iPad.

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My guess is iOS. Think about it. Mac OS, including OS X has been a niche OS for decades. iOS is the #2 mobile OS overall, close to #1 in the US, and accounts for more than half of mobile profits and mobile app downloads. There's a reason Apple was first to introduce a 64-bit ARM processor and 64-bit mobile OS. They see it as the future of computing and want to secure their place in it. It's also why they ported the iOS versions of iWork over to Mac rather than the other way around. They want to promote iOS as the future, and Macs will be "dragged along" to further interoperability.

Microsoft prefers the opposite approach, which makes sense since Windows is by far the dominant desktop OS. Hence the whole drive to push a single Windows 8.1 for desktops, notebooks, and mobile devices.

The wild card here is Google. Android is the dominant mobile OS, but Google's control over it is tenuous. Chrome is fully within Google's control, but it doesn't have the same market penetration. Logically, I see Chrome and Android converging over time, but don't know whether Google will build up Chrome so that it replaces Android, or keep the two separate, but converged, much like iOS and OS X. I think Google would prefer the former but am not sure they can get there.
OK I guess I don't see the point of current iOS on a 13" tablet. Now if Apple is working to differentiate iOS on the iPad and we see new features/functionality then maybe it makes sense, but iOS 7 in its current state doesn't make sense on a larger screen IMO.
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Yes, and you can hold a bucket of sand with your hands too, but it's not a pleasant experience. This thing will be too big and too heavy. Not happening. If Apple does release a 13" iOS device it won't be designed to be held in your hands; it won't be an iPad Pro.

A new 13" pro would probably be no heavier than the original iPad, which I have and my arms haven't fallen off yet.

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Apple should not forget the segment that has always been faithful...the creative types. That being said, an iPad "pro" would be a nod I that direction. Echoing, with sincerity, what others are wishing out loud for: on the hardware side: big processor boost; substantial ram; maybe, just maybe, a SD/micro SD slot...on the iOS side: a more practical file management system; a less cumbersome inter-app transfer pathway (really, for these iOS based visions, just take note of what time tested operations in terms of desktop based OS approaches are no-brainers)...these would be the critical requests for a pro model. Come on Apple, get ballsy, slap the competition upside their collective heads. I certainly can see blasting out self-produced music on one of these hypothetical babies. iOS SHOULD clearly merge the best of what makes a desktop computer the ultimate goto device for final production. I need total recall of soft synths and projects as Logic does on a future iOS environment...there will be a desktop replacement in the near future, there will be a merging of both worlds in which Apple has spent years perfecting!

Time tested really means, the last great compromise that stuck for people who invested a lot to  understand RAID, and SAN and HyperChannel, and TRIM and... you get the picture.    Somehow Creative types really don't care about all that, at least the ones I know (and I know a few).

 

With all sincerity....  for 99.9999% of the target market for iOS, not one thing you ask for makes sense for Apple to do.     If apple makes any iOS device... it's got to sell in the millions a month, be absolutely rock solid stable, and not create a comets tail of 'gawd do we still have to support this?' legacy functionality.   Making iOS and/or hardware that is 'special' for a 'special class' of user puts all the other users of iOS at risk (more code = more bugs = more fixes = more complexity = slower development of new features= sucks).

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