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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post
 

 

I'm trying to grok the 12.9 iPad 'for the couch' or 1on1 presentations...  

 

Personally, I think Apple is driving for 3 jobs for it's iOS devices with crossover points

1) on the go portability (one hand)   - iphone/ipad mini

2) personal productivity (one person) - ipad mini, ipad air, ipad 13

3) professional productivity (think Doctor, Designer), iPad Air, iPad 13

 

The Mac Line still does a different job (multi-task professional).   It's the 'connection workhorse'

 

I truly think the appleTV will become effectively a 'server' that an 'app' on an above device will control.

 

And the TimeCapsule will become 'iCloud Local'  controlling local syncing, caching stuff for upstream and downstream.   As IPV6 gets onto the Internet backbone... I wouldn't be surprised that Bonjour will be hardened keep your local storage always online.... and allow people to control what they truly put in the cloud, and what they want to access over the internet (Every home is part of the server farm in Apple's Cloud).

All good points.

 

I did forget to mention iCloud as an integral part of the mix. I also agree, with you TimeCapsule becoming "iCloud Local!" People, by and large, still don't trust the Cloud as the only storage choice for a variety of reasons, reliability,security, etc. 

 

My daughter is a doctor and she swears by her iPad Mini. Fits perfectly into her white coat pocket and at home she is constantly checking on her patients back at the hospital and to answer questions from the nurses and sending quick instructions to the nursing staff. She just loves it. She gave away her full-size iPad to her mother.

 

It would be great for ATV to be a server, too! :)

 

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post #42 of 130
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A new 13" pro would probably be no heavier than the original iPad, which I have and my arms haven't fallen off yet.

'probably' not 'certainly' and even if that were true it doesn't solve the awkward problem with something of that weight+size. I'm not seeing it. I could see a mini before it arrived. I predicted the original iPad would have a 10" display (it had a 9.7") after doing several cutouts and measuring DVD cases and various books. Around 2 years before it was released I said it would be 11", but after doing my homework with the books and cutouts I modified that prediction to 10" about a year before the iPad was announced.
I'm really not seeing a 13" iPad or iPad Pro, it seems too big to hold at this point in technology. If battery and glass had near to no physical weight that'd be different, but we're 10 - 20 years away from something like that technology.
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post #43 of 130

12.9" iPad?

 

Too big.

Too heavy.

Too awkward.

 

Too unbelievable.

post #44 of 130
I don't buy it (as in I don't believe it).
post #45 of 130

I was speculating an induction charging stand of some kind so you could put the iPad on it in any direction (portrait vs landscape) and it would charge. If that takes up too much real estate on the device then a charging stand would have to have a lightening port and the device would only sit in one orientation on it. Unless they put two lightening ports on it I suppose. 

 

Assuming this rumor is true- I bet the larger iPad would weigh what the original did, or darn near (as joelsalt mentions). This would preemptively strike at any 'it is too heavy' criticism.  Also, what would the PPI be for the current resolution on a larger screen? Or the PPI of a 2k display at that size? Is 2k a 16:9 ratio by default? I can't imagine Apple going 4x again on pixel count for an iPad that big. 

 

While we're at it, how about real stylus support? Can an iPad do both stylus and finger input well? 

post #46 of 130

Clearly people love the iPad (although my needs differ) and have found workarounds for some of its limitations for use as a desktop replacement. Yet I can only imagine this "device" as primarily a desktop replacement using touch on iOS instead of OSX and K/M. Secondarily, some folks will detach it from a lightweight keyboard (Apple's own design) for meetings, presentations, moving around the house, etc.

 

It may not make use of multiple app windows simultaneously, yet Apple may develop a more effective app-switcher than currently found on iOS. However, despite what Tim Cook said about OS convergence, I could really see the benefit of a 13" device that could run iOS and OSX.

 

iPad pro 13"

Fall 2014 release window

iOS 8

1.5 pounds or less

16 bit mobile architecture

2GB RAM

32, 64, 128 GB storage capacities

$799

Will outsell hotcakes

 

(And the 11" MBA would be discontinued.)

For your sake, I hope you're right.
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post #47 of 130
The iPad senior!!! YES!!!!! I need it for my old eyes. It also opens up the possibility of multiple "windows" open at the same time.
post #48 of 130
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I don't buy it (as in I don't believe it).

Don't buy it then. Buy a Nexus 7 you Android fanboy!

I'm being sarcastic here. This is the sort of response I get from some folks around here for loving Apple, but refusing the Kool Aid.
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post #49 of 130
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A new 13" pro would probably be no heavier than the original iPad...

 

No, it would be heavier. When people guess, they fail at math.

 

A 13" iPad has almost double the screen area, weight tends to track screen area, so it would be close to about double the weight of an iPad air. A bit less since some components don't need an increase.   They could probably do it a little under 2lbs.

 

But it isn't just weight that makes something unwieldy, the larger size would exert more leverage, it is less portable, more of a handful.  It just seems to inelegant and pointless.

 

Unless Apple is building a true convertible (with keyboard/mouse capability, file system access), 13" seems too big for the current capabilities.

post #50 of 130
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Don't buy it then. Buy a Nexus 7 you Android fanboy!

I'm being sarcastic here. This is the sort of response I get from some folks around here for loving Apple, but refusing the Kool Aid.

 

You should buy the Nexus 7

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post #51 of 130
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The iPad senior!!! YES!!!!! I need it for my old eyes. It also opens up the possibility of multiple "windows" open at the same time.

You'll find a MacBook Air is what you're looking for.
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post #52 of 130
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Originally Posted by TheOtherGeoff View Post

I'm trying to grok the 12.9 iPad 'for the couch' or 1on1 presentations...  

Personally, I think Apple is driving for 3 jobs for it's iOS devices with crossover points
1) on the go portability (one hand)   - iphone/ipad mini
2) personal productivity (one person) - ipad mini, ipad air, ipad 13
3) professional productivity (think Doctor, Designer), iPad Air, iPad 13

The Mac Line still does a different job (multi-task professional).   It's the 'connection workhorse'

I truly think the appleTV will become effectively a 'server' that an 'app' on an above device will control.

And the TimeCapsule will become 'iCloud Local'  controlling local syncing, caching stuff for upstream and downstream.   As IPV6 gets onto the Internet backbone... I wouldn't be surprised that Bonjour will be hardened keep your local storage always online.... and allow people to control what they truly put in the cloud, and what they want to access over the internet (Every home is part of the server farm in Apple's Cloud).
this sounds awesome!
post #53 of 130
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Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

You should buy the Nexus 7

I'm selling fresh Kool Aid for $1000 per glass if you want some.
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post #54 of 130
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Originally Posted by AjbDtc826 View Post

Touchscreen MacBook?

Only if it has IGZO and Touch ID. Otherwise it is FAIL.

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John C. Dvorak, 2007
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post #55 of 130
Well, I a happy I put my thoughts out there, even if to run the risk of getting shot down. I know a few creative types too and they seem to have a consensus inline with my post...sure, it may be the niche market that doesn't turn a profit v. the billions served. Yet, what I have stated doesn't really sound too radical, hey I'm not proposing the new SCSI or other latest and greatest protocol, I am just hitting on some feature sets that have been requested time and time again. Ok, take the whole pretentious "Pro" designation out of the equation and rather think of what I humbly mentioned as the iPad f'n kick ars edition.
Go ahead, fire at will:D
post #56 of 130
Where's that "Shut Up and Take My Money" image when you need it? [wink]

Speaking of which, naysayers in this thread vastly underestimate the economic impact of aging baby-boomers and their failing eyesight, at least in the US.
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You'll find a MacBook Air is what you're looking for.

I think you're underestimating how much work can be done on an iPad. I think it's more a matter of software than hardware. Well, hardware in that it precedes the software, but A7 is basically caught up. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the iOS laptop that people were hoping for. Whatever happened to not converging though, Tim Cook was making fun of that just a few weeks ago? And besides, Apple already has a 13" computer with a retina display.
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Whatever happened to not converging though, Tim Cook was making fun of that just a few weeks ago?

 

Whatever happened to waiting till he actually does something before insulting him.

 

Don't make up crap that isn't likely to happen, then condemn him for doing it.

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I'm selling fresh Kool Aid for $1000 per glass if you want some.

 

Seriously buy a Nexus7.  Then you will see what a total pain in the azz Android tablets are.  I suffered for 2 years on an Android smartphone and tablet.  Never again.

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post #60 of 130
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I was speculating an induction charging stand of some kind so you could put the iPad on it in any direction (portrait vs landscape) and it would charge. If that takes up too much real estate on the device then a charging stand would have to have a lightening port and the device would only sit in one orientation on it. Unless they put two lightening ports on it I suppose. 

Assuming this rumor is true- I bet the larger iPad would weigh what the original did, or darn near (as joelsalt mentions). This would preemptively strike at any 'it is too heavy' criticism.  Also, what would the PPI be for the current resolution on a larger screen? Or the PPI of a 2k display at that size? Is 2k a 16:9 ratio by default? I can't imagine Apple going 4x again on pixel count for an iPad that big. 

While we're at it, how about real stylus support? Can an iPad do both stylus and finger input well? 

Steve Ballmer is sobbing in his hands. He raises his bald pink head, eyes red with tears, and asks: "where were you when we were selling Windows 95 with Pen Extensions?" You could have saved us all! We could have owned the future!"

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post #61 of 130
Hey, I am a late thirty-something and I haven't regretted for a second ditching my iPhone for the use of the iPad exclusively. I can't bare the small screen. Sure the iPhone is clearly the most solid, finely engineered smart phone on the planet...but where I live, in SE Asia, the phablets are majorly dominating...I am seen this trend increase practically overnight over the last few years. I believe it is plain to see (pun certainly intended) that people want to see what the hell it is they are looking at instead of squinting...what kind of pleasure is there in that?

Oh yeah, the phone thing...I just buy the latest POS feature phone that serves it's very purpose, calling people. iPad with 4G hits the bases with every other need minus the big gun MBP for audio/visual production number crunching.
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You'll find a MacBook Air is what you're looking for.

 



Nope. I've used my daughter's. It's just not the same user experience. The iPad is the goto device in our household.
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Whatever happened to waiting till he actually does something before insulting him.

Don't make up crap that isn't likely to happen, then condemn him for doing it.

Is it an insult? I'm just speculating. I wouldn't hold that against him.
post #64 of 130

Let me see now.

What DO I want?  

Maybe a MBP running both IOS and OSX and of course with next generation Apple Ax processor.

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post #65 of 130
For some reason when I read this. The eMate came to mind.
post #66 of 130
Apple going back to what the Surface started as? A big-ass table of a tablet? iPad Easel. Not now, not yet. Touch will come to notebooks before iPad gets bigger.
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post #67 of 130
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Originally Posted by NeilM View Post

12.9" iPad?



 



Too big.



Too heavy.



Too awkward.



 



Too unbelievable.


 



The 13" macbook air weighs in under 3 lbs. I have no doubt ditching the keyboard and a smaller battery would get a 13" iPad under 2 lbs.

It won't fit in a purse but it will fit nicely in a briefcase.
post #68 of 130
Why does the article refer to a new iPad? Could also be the new iPhone. With a 12.9" screen it would for once and for all shut up all the small screen whiners.
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post #69 of 130
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While we're at it, how about real stylus support? Can an iPad do both stylus and finger input well? 

Sure: http://www.fiftythree.com/pencil

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post #70 of 130
Such a large tablet or a touchscreen Mac don't appeal to me but I can see the former appealing to some that don't use any other traditional style computer, providing the size and weight is low enough.
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Seriously buy a Nexus7.  Then you will see what a total pain in the azz Android tablets are.  I suffered for 2 years on an Android smartphone and tablet.  Never again.

What is wrong with you? I don't like Android. Stop it now.
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post #72 of 130
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I think you're underestimating how much work can be done on an iPad.

I'm not. For a computer programmer type of guy there is no substitute for a Mac for getting work done. The iPad doesn't come close. I tried everything to write my play on an iPad, I bought and used all the apps, but it doesn't come within an asses roar from wetting the script on the Mac
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post #73 of 130
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Originally Posted by Rich Gregory View Post

I was speculating an induction charging stand of some kind so you could put the iPad on it in any direction (portrait vs landscape) and it would charge. If that takes up too much real estate on the device then a charging stand would have to have a lightening port and the device would only sit in one orientation on it. Unless they put two lightening ports on it I suppose. 

Assuming this rumor is true- I bet the larger iPad would weigh what the original did, or darn near (as joelsalt mentions). This would preemptively strike at any 'it is too heavy' criticism.  Also, what would the PPI be for the current resolution on a larger screen? Or the PPI of a 2k display at that size? Is 2k a 16:9 ratio by default? I can't imagine Apple going 4x again on pixel count for an iPad that big. 

While we're at it, how about real stylus support? Can an iPad do both stylus and finger input well? 

1) The resolution is a factor. Do you go with the same resolution in a larger display or keep one of the current PPI panels with a much higher resolution? I'm not convinced this will happen. I could see the next MBA at 12", Retina, and having a touchscreen before I see a 12.9" iPad.

2) Why 12.9"? Why is that a magic number? At that size 4:3 seems much less likely than something closer to 16:10.

3) All iDevices support a real stylus, the issue is with the display being capacitance not using a digitizer. I would hope that such a large tablet would offer a digitizer support.
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.. asses roar from wetting ...

Thanks for putting an image in my head /s

But yes, I agree, and so did Steve

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post #75 of 130
This will be a bulky iPad, I dont think Apple will be serious about it. This size cannot be held by one hand and it needs a proper suuport to be placed on a table. Is it possible that Apple will make a hybrid?
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This size cannot be held by one hand and it needs a proper suuport to be placed on a table.

I don't think so. The MS Surface has a kickstand for a purpose; it needs all the support it can get.
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This will be a bulky iPad, I dont think Apple will be serious about it. This size cannot be held by one hand and it needs a proper suuport to be placed on a table. Is it possible that Apple will make a hybrid?

I think it's possible they will but you also need to consider that Apple could take their power efficiency options and small bezel to the next level.
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Yes, and you can hold a bucket of sand with your hands too, but it's not a pleasant experience. This thing will be too big and too heavy. Not happening. If Apple does release a 13" iOS device it won't be designed to be held in your hands; it won't be an iPad Pro.

 

The iPad 4 weighs 1.44 lbs.   The iPad Air weighs 1 lb.  

 

If Apple uses the same design as the iPad Air for the iPad Mega :)  I'm guessing it will weigh less than the iPad 4.

post #79 of 130
With a tablet that big we could get more robust tech to power power intensive applications .
This is a natural evolution of tablet tect IMHO.
Of course this may never materialize.
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The iPad 4 weighs 1.44 lbs.   The iPad Air weighs 1 lb.  

 

If Apple uses the same design as the iPad Air for the iPad Mega :)  I'm guessing it will weigh less than the iPad 4.

 

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