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Apple has begun field trials of a next-generation iPhone sporting a larger, 4.9-inch display, according to new information from one popular tech-focused Far East website.

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Mockup of iPhone with 4.94-inch screen, created by Marco Arment.


The report, from hit-and-miss Chinese blog C Technology, conforms with prior assertions from well-connected Taiwanese analyst Ming-Chi Kuo of KGI Securities. Kuo had previously predicted that 2014 would bring an Apple-branded handset with a 4.5-inch to 5-inch display.

Kuo does not believe the Cupertino, Calif.-based company will extend the iPhone display beyond the 5-inch diagonal mark due to their "unwavering principle of one hand use."

Not much is known about the so-called "iPhone 6," with Apple just two months removed from the release of its newest flagship iPhone 5s and mid-range iPhone 5c. Speculation has thus far centered mainly on the display, with Bloomberg reporting earlier this month that two new models featuring larger displays and cover glass that curves around the device's edges may be in the offing for a late 2014 release.

The Bloomberg report came on the heels of a September missive from Japanese magazine Mac Fan which claimed Apple's next-generation handset would feature a 5-inch display with a 1,920-by-1,080-pixel resolution. That report also tipped thinner bezels for the smartphone.

Many industry observers believe that Apple must increase the size of the iPhone's display in order to better match up with larger-screened devices from competitors like Motorola and Samsung whose displays routinely exceed 5 inches, with some as large as 6.3 inches on the diagonal. Apple is known to take a cautious approach to changes such as these in order to avoid the ecosystem fragmentation that plagues rival mobile platform Android.
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Notice how the 4.94 screen size in the image is roughly the same size as the entire iPhone 5. To me there's good reason to think the iPhone 6's front will be all screen — So same size as iPhone 5 in the end and not a bigger phone at all.
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"Give me back the 3.5" and you'll rule my world"

Or at least, don't make the phone itself bigger. Do whatever you want with the display, just don't have it running down the sides as well.
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Next rumor: iPhone 7 with 7" display, NFC, bells, whistles, stylus, fanny pack, touch ID, Palm ID, retina scanner, blood-sugar tester, etc
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What's the big deal about these rumors? Of course Apple is testing phones with different screen sizes. I'm sure they have been for years. And no it won't be a shock if next year Apple releases a new iPhone with a bigger screen.
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Next rumor: iPhone 7 with 7" display, NFC, bells, whistles, stylus, fanny pack, touch ID, Palm ID, retina scanner, blood-sugar tester, etc

Wasn't there already a rumour about a 12.9" iPhone? I know the article read iPad, but it was a rumour, right?
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Honestly who would want such a large cell phone? I'm still using my iPhone 4 because it is significantly smaller than the current offerings. If I need a big screen I can grab an iPad, for something to slip in ones pants small is beautiful.
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The current iPhone design has too much top and bottom bezel for a large-screen phone. It would be almost as long as that Android with a 5.5 in screen.

LOL people should just enjoy whatever phone they prefer and stop being d-bags about other phones they don't use. Fanboys are pathetic, regardless of whether they are Android or Apple ones.
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Honestly who would want such a large cell phone? I'm still using my iPhone 4 because it is significantly smaller than the current offerings. If I need a big screen I can grab an iPad, for something to slip in ones pants small is beautiful.

 

Different people like different stuff. I've messed around with my brother's Note phone and it may not be for everyone, but it's a nice phone.

LOL people should just enjoy whatever phone they prefer and stop being d-bags about other phones they don't use. Fanboys are pathetic, regardless of whether they are Android or Apple ones.
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I think the bezels will be reduced. Question is, what about the resolution?
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I don't want a bigger phone, but a bigger screen is always nice. The only way they can do this (and I've been saying this for at least since the iPhone 5 rumors) is to make the thing ALL SCREEN. This would be a crazy achievement if they can do it since they would have to embed the TouchID, speaker, camera, and proximity sensor into and behind the screen, or possibly on the very edges of it. That would be pretty amazing though.
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What's the big deal about these rumors? Of course Apple is testing phones with different screen sizes. I'm sure they have been for years. And no it won't be a shock if next year Apple releases a new iPhone with a bigger screen.

Best post on this topic! If nothing else it's about choice....and what's wrong with that?

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I bet ya it won't be that large. 4.6" or 4.7"

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Best post on this topic! If nothing else it's about choice....and what's wrong with that?
I won't be surprised if the next iPhone takes iPad mini/Air cues in terms of design. Basically an iPod touch that's only as thick as needed for camera and battery life.
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I bet ya it won't be that large. 4.6" or 4.7"

I think this rumor, factual or not, stems from an assumption Apple will use their 9.7" iPad display panels and still use the same resolution as the iPhone 5.
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I won't be surprised if the next iPhone takes iPad mini/Air cues in terms of design. Basically an iPod touch that's only as thick as needed for camera and battery life.

It's going to be interesting to see where Apple goes with this. The first time I picked up an iPhone 5, I was amazed at how light it was compared to my 4s. I just went to the Apple store yesterday to hold an iPad Air and a RMini. Just two beautiful machines...I want to get both!  I'll most likely get the RMini just for max mobility! :)

 

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I don't want a bigger phone, but a bigger screen is always nice. The only way they can do this (and I've been saying this for at least since the iPhone 5 rumors) is to make the thing ALL SCREEN. This would be a crazy achievement if they can do it since they would have to embed the TouchID, speaker, camera, and proximity sensor into and behind the screen, or possibly on the very edges of it. That would be pretty amazing though.


I'm not sure if such technology exists, but how about piezo pixels within the matrix that not only changed color but also vibrated to create sound? Heck, do away with the normal speakers at the bottom, and use the whole screen as a big speaker. And also embed Touch ID to the bottom half of the screen for good measure.

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I think this rumor, factual or not, stems from an assumption Apple will use their 9.7" iPad display panels and still use the same resolution as the iPhone 5.

 

If that created a good product then yes, but I don't see 4.9" is a good size for an iPhone. Going from 3.5 to 4" made a huge difference, going from 4 to 4.6 or 4.7" would make an ever bigger difference (yes I know they'll be keeping the 4" iPhone around, and that it will remain the more popular model).

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If that created a good product then yes, but I don't see 4.9" is a good size for an iPhone. Going from 3.5 to 4" made a huge difference, going from 4 to 4.6 or 4.7" would make an ever bigger difference (yes I know they'll be keeping the 4" iPhone around, and that it will remain the more popular model).

I have my doubts that using the same resolution on a display that is slightly over 50% more area would be a good experience. Perhaps if they were going to scale the iPad to a higher resolution down the road and this was something they did first on a smaller display scale then I could see it happening, but it all seems very doubtful to me.
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It's going to be interesting to see where Apple goes with this. The first time I picked up an iPhone 5, I was amazed at how light it was compared to my 4s. I just went to the Apple store yesterday to hold an iPad Air and a RMini. Just two beautiful machines...I want to get both!  I'll most likely get the RMini just for max mobility! 1smile.gif

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What's really amazing is that you notice the weigh and thickness difference going to the lighter and thinner design but it's nothing compared to how much you noticed how heavy and thick the 4/4S after using the 5/5S for a couple weeks. It's almost shocking.
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I can see iPhone moving to a multi size lineup, just like iPad. iPhone 6 in 4.9" & 4", plus the 5c moves to free. Apple doesn't have a good track record with the XL name (remember Mac XL?).
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I can see iPhone moving to a multi size lineup, just like iPad. iPhone 6 in 4.9" & 4", plus the 5c moves to free. Apple doesn't have a good track record with the XL name (remember Mac XL?).

That was a very long time ago but has anyone ever had a good track record with an Xtra Large product line? I don't really Nintendo doing well after releasing the 3DS XL.
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Honestly who would want such a large cell phone? I'm still using my iPhone 4 because it is significantly smaller than the current offerings. If I need a big screen I can grab an iPad, for something to slip in ones pants small is beautiful.

Exactly what I have thought for a while. I don't want to talk to a brick. 

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What's really amazing is that you notice the weigh and thickness difference going to the lighter and thinner design but it's nothing compared to how much you noticed how heavy and thick the 4/4S after using the 5/5S for a couple weeks. It's almost shocking.

I know, when I opened my 4, I thought it was amazing. I remember SJ at the Keynote marveling at the workmanship and comparing it only to a Leica camera. He was right. I was impressed with the glass front and aluminum buttons.

 

But I made the mistake of holding the 5 I bought for my daughter and I started to look at the 4 a little differently. I thought the glass on the back was a bit silly (way too fragile) and it was also heavy.

 

I know these are "first-world" problems but the difference was so noticeable...I wanted one straight away. 

 

"...almost shocking," is not too strong a description. :)

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I've tried both current MIphones when I was in China, the Mi2 with a 4.3" display and the Mi3 with a 5" display.

Personally, I thought the 4.3" display was pretty much the perfect screen size and form factor for a phone.  The 5" was nice but just too big in your hand and was hard to use with one hand.

 

If anything is going to kill the iPhone in China, it will be the miPhone.  They can sell 100k units in 83 seconds there.  Insanely good voice recognition to Chinese Native speakers and developed by the Google exec. that founded the Android Platform.  IT's the phone made for the Chinese public, and 1/2 the cost of the iPhone 5s with about the same or better performance.  pretty compelling option for someone who lives in China.  Maybe not for any other country though.

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I'm still using my iPhone 4 because it is significantly smaller ...

If it were not for a sticky home button, I'd be perfectly content.   I have no need, or desire, for a larger phone.  

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I've tried both current MIphones when I was in China, the Mi2 with a 4.3" display and the Mi3 with a 5" display.

Personally, I thought the 4.3" display was pretty much the perfect screen size and form factor for a phone.  The 5" was nice but just too big in your hand and was hard to use with one hand.

 

If anything is going to kill the iPhone in China, it will be the miPhone.  They can sell 100k units in 83 seconds there.  Insanely good voice recognition to Chinese Native speakers and developed by the Google exec. that founded the Android Platform.  IT's the phone made for the Chinese public, and 1/2 the cost of the iPhone 5s with about the same or better performance.  pretty compelling option for someone who lives in China.  Maybe not for any other country though.

You almost don't need any other country! :)

 

China's GDP increasing, on average, 10% a year and half the population is still at or under the poverty level.

 

That means a lot of growth potential! :)

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If it were not for a sticky home button, I'd be perfectly content.   I have no need, or desire, for a larger phone.  

I felt like iOS7 ran super slow on my 4. Do you get that same problem?

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What's really amazing is that you notice the weigh and thickness difference going to the lighter and thinner design but it's nothing compared to how much you noticed how heavy and thick the 4/4S after using the 5/5S for a couple weeks. It's almost shocking.

My wife got the 4S last year when the 5 dropped the 4S to $99. Wanted 16gb and thought the $99 would be 8gb, so picked it up the weekend before the 5 announcement at Target for $99. Then when my 5 came in she was like "how does this feel even better/lighter?"

The 5 is truly an engineering feat.
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I've tried both current MIphones when I was in China, the Mi2 with a 4.3" display and the Mi3 with a 5" display.

Personally, I thought the 4.3" display was pretty much the perfect screen size and form factor for a phone.  The 5" was nice but just too big in your hand and was hard to use with one hand.

 

If anything is going to kill the iPhone in China, it will be the miPhone.  They can sell 100k units in 83 seconds there.  Insanely good voice recognition to Chinese Native speakers and developed by the Google exec. that founded the Android Platform.  IT's the phone made for the Chinese public, and 1/2 the cost of the iPhone 5s with about the same or better performance.  pretty compelling option for someone who lives in China.  Maybe not for any other country though.

 

Same or better performances than a 5S? 

 

Keep in mind Xiaomi is selling phones at a loss.  There's no way in the world they can sell 100M phones a year at a loss.  They are willing to do it now on a small scale in order to build a loyal following in China.  And you cannot underestimate the brand power of Apple in China.  In the USA we like our Ford cars but they just don't have the same brand power as BMW or Merc

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My wife got the 4S last year when the 5 dropped the 4S to $99. Wanted 16gb and thought the $99 would be 8gb, so picked it up the weekend before the 5 announcement at Target for $99. Then when my 5 came in she was like "how does this feel even better/lighter?"

The 5 is truly an engineering feat.

You didn't say if she ended up with your 5? :)

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I know, when I opened my 4, I thought it was amazing. I remember SJ at the Keynote marveling at the workmanship comparing only to a Leica camera. He was right. I was amazed at the glass and aluminum buttons.

But I made the mistake of holding the 5 I bought for my daughter and I started to look at the 4 a little differently. I thought the glass on the back was a bit silly and it was also heavy. I know these are "first-world" problems but the difference was so noticeable...I wanted one straight away. 

"...almost shocking," is not too strong a description. 1smile.gif

It's truly amazing how technology can forever warp our perceptions. Not just about electronics but other technologies like textiles, construction, transportation, agriculture and animal husbandry, to name a few. I can buy more calories than I can eat in a sitting (or probably should eat in a day) without wasting any calories to get it. For better or for worse our perceptions are forever altered.

Case in point, a few months back I was I was going to shave with my Gillette Fusion Power razor but I found that the AA battery inside the handle was dead. Not having a battery offhand in which to replace it I was miffed that I wouldn't be able to shave that day. It was only moments later that it occurred to me the razor still worked perfectly fine even without the vibrating action. It wasn't a long time but it was long enough to make the "Duh doy!" impression.
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If it happens then I'll be one of the first in line.

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You didn't say if she ended up with your 5? 1smile.gif

Ha. No. Told her to exchange it. Didn't want to spend the $100 more. Has finally come around to my line of thinking that $100 over 2 years is irrelevant. She will be getting a 6 when I do. 1smile.gif
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If that created a good product then yes, but I don't see 4.9" is a good size for an iPhone. Going from 3.5 to 4" made a huge difference, going from 4 to 4.6 or 4.7" would make an ever bigger difference (yes I know they'll be keeping the 4" iPhone around, and that it will remain the more popular model).

 

One thing you do have to realize that Apple does use the market to define what people want out of their phone.   If older people and younger people are buying larger phones (older people are increasing in population and smartphone penetration and have more disposable income, and younger people are the 'first phone' generation... capture them and you have them for life), then Apple will strive to match their needs.   Look at the iPod Mini/Nano/Shuffles... delivered to compete with all those thumb drive MP3 players, as there was a niche for high active people to have something less clunky than a iPod Classic.

 

Apple doesn't say one size fits all... Apple says it picks the right size(s) for the consumer;-)

 

I also think the 4s will stick around... but only for contractual obligations... it's popular for it's price... not form factor.   the 5c will evolve to be all that the 5s is now (including touchID and M7),  The '5s' will disappear (like the iPad 4), and the 6 will be 'new.'  What size screen, I don't know, but my guess is it will be the same pixel count as the 5s.   If they are able to reduce the bezel a bit, the size of the phone will be minor.  I think all the 5 and 5s manufacturing of the final glass assembly is leading to that 'edge to edge' screen (waiting on the display technology to shrink to allow it to butt up against the outer frame/antenna.)

 

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I have my doubts that using the same resolution on a display that is slightly over 50% more area would be a good experience. Perhaps if they were going to scale the iPad to a higher resolution down the road and this was something they did first on a smaller display scale then I could see it happening, but it all seems very doubtful to me.

 

the Pixel wars are pretty much over.   It's really now about color accuracy and performance.   I'm not keen on downgrading 'retina' definitions, but if Apple can show that the actual visual presentation is better than the current 5s in the global scheme of things (sort of like the MHz wars... a fast chip isn't necessarily a great performer),  Apple will sell it.

 

Personally, I think the next iPhone will use new screen technology.

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the Pixel wars are pretty much over.   It's really now about color accuracy and performance.   I'm not keen on downgrading 'retina' definitions, but if Apple can show that the actual visual presentation is better than the current 5s in the global scheme of things (sort of like the MHz wars... a fast chip isn't necessarily a great performer),  Apple will sell it.

Personally, I think the next iPhone will use new screen technology.

Pretty much, but I'd think 260 something pixels in a 5" phone would be very, very low. Would that even be Retina anymore with a normal holding distance?
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It's truly amazing how technology can forever warp our perceptions. Not just about electronics but other technologies like textiles, construction, transportation, agriculture and animal husbandry, to name a few. I can buy more calories than I can eat in a sitting (or probably should eat in a day) without wasting any calories to get it. For better or for worse our perceptions are forever altered.

Case in point, a few months back I was I was going to shave with my Gillette Fusion Power razor but I found that the AA battery inside the handle was dead. Not having a battery offhand in which to replace it I was miffed that I wouldn't be able to shave that day. It was only moments later that it occurred to me the razor still worked perfectly fine even without the vibrating action. It wasn't a long time but it was long enough to make the "Duh doy!" impression.

Don't feel too bad, I do similar things 3-4 times a week! :) I often think to myself, if there is one way to do something correctly, why do I have to do it incorrectly 3 times first? For example, I don't think I have ever plugged in a USB cable correctly the first time. It is always upside down and never goes in correctly the first time! :)

 

Just to add to your "calories and perceptions altered" comment(s)... one can go to McDonald's (Ugh!) and for $3 buy 3,000+ calories, for $3 of whole foods it's about 300 calories. Not to sound too judgmental but, somehow this is a good thing? :)

 

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For example, I don't think I have ever plugged in a USB cable correctly the first time. It is always upside down and never goes in correctly the first time! 1smile.gif

If this ever starts happening with Lightning cables seek professional help immediately. 1biggrin.gif
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Notice how the 4.94 screen size in the image is roughly the same size as the entire iPhone 5. To me there's good reason to think the iPhone 6's front will be all screen — So same size as iPhone 5 in the end and not a bigger phone at all.

I agree.   This mockup shows this perfectly...

 

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/03/04/fresh-mockups-of-the-iphone-6-with-a-4-6-inch-edge-to-edge-display/

 

I really like the form factor of the iPhone 5/5s and hope that it doesn't get larger.  That said a bigger screen is always welcome. 

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​If the dimensions become any larger... it'll be sad. It'll sell like an iPhone, but it'll no longer be the iPhone.

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