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A jury of eight granted Apple $290 million in damages from rival Samsung on Thursday, in exchange for the South Korean electronics maker copying the patented software and hardware designs of the iPhone and iPad.



The verdict was reached in court in San Jose after two days' worth of deliberations. Jurors were deciding how much money to award Apple out of a possible $380 million decision.

The $290 million will join nearly $600 million that Samsung was already ordered to pay in the initial trial with Apple. This latest retrial was held to determine damages related to five specific patents in the suit.Thursday's decision brings Apple's total awards from Samsung to over $900 million.

The verdict comes in the second week of a retrial to determine how much more Samsung owes Apple after the Cupertino, Calif.-based company's decisive $1.05 billion victory last year. Following that verdict, Judge Lucy Koh vacated roughly $405 million in damages and set the retrial in motion.

The $290 million verdict is nearly $100 million less than the $380 million Apple sought in the retrial, but far above the $53 million Samsung said it owed. In a series of seemingly desperate last-minute attempts to delay the verdict, Samsung first moved for a mistrial on racial grounds, and then asked Judge Koh to stay the case pending a possibly years-long reexamination of a key Apple patent.

Judge Koh denied both motions, and the new verdict brings Apple's total award in the landmark patent dispute to over $900 million.

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The retrial involved testimony from Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller, who revealed that the original iPhone was a massive "bet-the-company" gamble that ultimately paid off. Following the iPhone's success, Samsung began manufacturing devices that copied the look and feel of it, as well as the iPad.

"There were huge risks," Schiller said about the original iPhone. "We had a saying inside the company that it was a 'bet-the-company' product. We were starting to do well again in iPod. Then here we're going to invest all these resources, financial as well as people, in creating this product."

Closing remarks were given by both sides in the trial on Tuesday, setting the stage for the jury's deliberations. Apple's attorneys said the company has a chance to be "made whole" by reinstating $380 million in vacated damages, while Samsung's lawyers argued that Apple exaggerated the importance of the five patents involved in the case.
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Attention Xerox World, start copying Apple as it will take years to get your asses kicked! Even then you would pay some lousy $$ as punishment ...

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post #3 of 103
I wonder how long Samsung is given,
to cut the check, to Apple?
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Second handers.

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post #5 of 103
Well then, now what Samsung keep on copying Apples' products?
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Can’t Koh step in and kick that up a notch? I’m sure she’s tired of Samsung, too.

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post #7 of 103
This is a resounding victory. They asked for $380MM and received $290MM.
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Finally! Justice has been done, but Apple should have been awarded more money...Samsung is a blatant ripoff.
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I'm not sure if she can now but I hope Koh triples the damages

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post #10 of 103
Nice. Less than it should be, but it's more about the PR win. $300 million isn't too shabby either.
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Apple just spent something like $10M on lawyers and got a $888M payout.  That's a HUGE return on investment.

 

Yes, it's small compared to what Samsung, google, etc. all owe them morally.

 

But having now defended these patents in court they will not have to sue over them again, and will be able to simply collect royalties from people (hopefully google, and at a high rate too.)

 

This is good news..

 

And they can turn that $888M into 88 more lawsuits-- even if they lose them all they still break even!

 

Time to hold the thieves accountable!

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I hope this teaches everyone a lesson. That Motorola and Nokia should have copied better.
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Holding my breath until Judge Lucy vacates the judgement because Samsung filed a motion asking her to.
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post #14 of 103
Fine is a slap on the wrist but I hope this at least forces Samsung and others to be less willful to steal patents and design ideas. Sure hardware design can be influenced but Samesung blatantly took Apple's designs. This has been on-going trend from many Asian based companies that steal many ideas from other companies from outside of Asia for their own brand. And yes other non-Asian companies infringe on patents but not at the rate of Asian companies, ask China...lol.

It is so easy to forget the millions spent by Apple to develop the iPad and iPhone from its conception, only to be copied for pennies on the dollar by Apple competitors. Was bad enough Android emulated iOS.
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$888 verdict in Apple's favor! Was Brian White on the jury!
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Apple just spent something like $10M on lawyers and got a $888M payout.  That's a HUGE return on investment.

 

Yes, it's small compared to what Samsung, google, etc. all owe them morally.

 

But having now defended these patents in court they will not have to sue over them again, and will be able to simply collect royalties from people (hopefully google, and at a high rate too.)

 

This is good news..

 

And they can turn that $888M into 88 more lawsuits-- even if they lose them all they still break even!

 

Time to hold the thieves accountable!

Now this is quite serious, really! Before, it was more or less only Microsoft seriously cashing in for (almost) every Android phone sold. Now Apple will ask for royalties as well. After this trial, they have a lot more leverage to do so. 

 

Now Android keeps getting more expensive and the margins for Android-phones are shrinking. This might cause some serious problems. Get the popcorn ready!

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Unfortunately this does nothing to deter Samsung from it's "Copy Now, Pay Later" business model.
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post #18 of 103
Ya, wait til the Samscum jack up the components prices on iEverything.
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Samsung dirt bags finally got what they deserved all along.

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This is a resounding victory. They asked for $380MM and received $290MM.

 

A lot more than the $52 million Samsung said they were worth.

 

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post #21 of 103
Samsung IS a copy cat. It doesn't matter what they has to pay.
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Couldn't Samsung still appeal ? This can go on for years right?
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Ya, wait til the Samscum jack up the components prices on iEverything.

 

Won't matter, Apple has been sourcing more and more components directly from manufacturers and I'm quite certain more and more of those OEMs supplying components won't include Samsung.

 

And people need to consider this also... Apple is free to enter into any and all Samsung markets with products that can continue to eat away at their already thin margins.

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I wonder how long Samsung is given,
to cut the check, to Apple?

It will be a long time before Samsung cuts a check, unless Samsung folds their arms and decides to move forward. I suspect that Samsung is not about to lie down just yet. They have other similar lawsuits against them and this could set a precedence they my not want to set.

 

I wonder if Apples supply contract has a clause in it to allow it to offset any thing they owe Samsung for part against any outstanding claims they have against Samsung. If they do then apple could just not pay their bill for processors they buy. That could be a years worth of processor Apple could get from Samsung.

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So, Apple lost big time here. The money isn't what they want. Or need. They want others to stop copying Apple and innovate on their own. They like the competition, but not if they simply copy. My guess, there isn't any champagne flowing on IL.
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So, Apple lost big time here. The money isn't what they want. Or need. They want others to stop copying Apple and innovate on their own. They like the competition, but not if they simply copy. My guess, there isn't any champagne flowing on IL.

 

I don't see it that way at all. Apple won and they won almost everything they have been asking for.

 

Plus, in the "court of public opinion" Samsung have been shown to be duplicitous scum.

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post #27 of 103
$888MIl less 40% in taxes equals $532 Mil.

Then they can recoup the amount they spent on attorneys and court costs.

I'm sure Apple is STILL upset about that stupid settlement in the UK where Apple was forced to publicly admit that Samsung didn't copy. Now, they might have enough evidence to have that case overturned where Samsung has to publicly admit their are copycat LOSERS.
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$888MIl less 40% in taxes equals $532 Mil.

Then they can recoup the amount they spent on attorneys and court costs.

I'm sure Apple is STILL upset about that stupid settlement in the UK where Apple was forced to publicly admit that Samsung didn't copy. Now, they might have enough evidence to have that case overturned where Samsung has to publicly admit their are copycat LOSERS.

 

The money is almost irrelevant. Being proven right all along? Priceless.

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post #29 of 103

Its not about the MONEY.

Its about proving without a doubt that Samsung is a THIEF

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Ha, yeah like Apple is going to pay 40% taxes on that win.

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post #32 of 103
Frak you, Sammy. Pay up and stop stealing.
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Samsung finally got what they deserve. Shameful that Samsung has to copy rather than innovate
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <*deep inhale*> BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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Eh. Is that Samsung?
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So, Apple lost big time here. The money isn't what they want. Or need. They want others to stop copying Apple and innovate on their own. They like the competition, but not if they simply copy. My guess, there isn't any champagne flowing on IL.

What is it exactly that you feel is still being copied?
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What is it exactly that you feel is still being copied?

 

Actually, it's instructive to note that all previous infringements that Apple chooses to sue over can include those in the past, not just current infringements, and any companies found guilty would be financially liable also. 

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The money is almost irrelevant. Being proven right all along? Priceless.

I tell you what, if you ever get $888 Million awarded to you, just give it to me, and let's see how relevant it is.  $888 Million isn't too shabby.  It should have been more due to the amount of sales Samsung has had world wide of those models since their relative product announcements, but it's still not that bad.  I was just merely pointing out that whatever the judgement is for, there are taxes that they have to pay, so they get about 40% less than what is awarded.  People need to realize that.   Most people would LOVE to get that kind of settlement, regardless of the company.  Not too many settlements have been for more than that in history.

 

Plus, what happened in the UK should be reversed and Samsung should post for about a year, that they've been copying Apple, AND pay Apple some money on top of it.

I hope Apple starts spitting out some larger screen iPhones soon so they can erode Android's market share for the large screen market segment.

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Actually, it's instructive to note that all previous infringements that Apple chooses to sue over can include those in the past, not just current infringements, and any companies found guilty would be financially liable also. 

No one else really copied the hardware except for Samsung.
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No one else really copied the hardware except for Samsung.

 

Samsung is just the shot across Google's bow. The real goal is to gut Android and put the heads of Google on a pike (legally speaking, of course).

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