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Apple's iPhone, iPad & the market for Microsoft's Xbox One & Sony's PlayStation 4

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This holiday season, shoppers voting with their dollars will shake out winners (and likely some losers) in the vast market for consumer electronics. However, fierce competition is prompting some efforts to twist market statistics into bizarre distortions of fallacy on behalf of the losers.

Xbox One PlayStation 4


Good time to be a gamer



There currently doesn't seem to be much interest in inventing distortions in the console video game market, where Microsoft's new Xbox One and Sony's equally new PlayStation 4 have just gone on sale.

Despite previous generations of the two company's platforms having rather fiercely duked it out in the market before, this season the competitive spirit seems a bit more jovial than cutthroat. On Twitter, the two firms recently passed complements and fraternal well wishing back and forth.

November 22, 2013


There appears to be room for both companies to sell lots of new gear. Over the last 7 or 8 years of the previous generation systems, the two firms sold roughly equal numbers of their consoles, with current cumulative totals of each having both reached 80 million units in the last month.

How big is the total market for video games? That depends on whether one can include the more family oriented Nintendo Wii U, or a number of other consoles ranging from what are essentially toys to previous generation devices that sell for far cheaper but no longer get the big new game releases reserved for premium consoles where enthusiast customers are more like to spend their money.

Back in 2006, when I contrasted Microsoft's strategy of selling only its then-new Xbox 360 with Sony's efforts to continue selling its older PS 2 at a discount alongside its new, higher end PS 3, the very notion of comparing sales numbers of two different generations of consoles was met with contempt from Xbox fans.

Such rules do not apply to Apple



The precision in accounting rules required to be taken seriously by customers in the video game console market stands in stark contrast to the way the mainstream media, and even the tech blogs, are reporting sales of iPhones and iPads, fueled by statistics crafted by Gartner, IDC and Strategy Analytics.

It's now impossible to mention the iPhone without pointing out that 81 percent of all smartphones now run Android, or reference the iPad without also noting that a similar majority of tablets involve Android.

However, Average Selling Prices of smartphones, premium phablets and iPhones make it very clear that there is a far greater difference between what Apple is selling (at an average of $635, more than what the high end PS3 cost when brand new) and what Samsung, LG and Motorola are trying to sell in their high end flagship offerings (at an ASP of $443, closer to the price of the original Xbox 360 without its ill-fated HD-DVD drive).

Further down the road, among the very low end devices that are still categorized as being a smartphone, vendors can only fetch an ASP of less than $215, on par with a long-in-the-tooth PS2 in 2005 or an even cheaper retro Atari package or children's game that has little relevance to the premium console market.

Dumping all these products into a single category would provide a very worthless picture of how well any of the market participants are performing, muddling vendors that are attracting high end customers to a premium experience in among discount sales of largely irrelevant devices that may ship in volume, but have no real impact on the market in terms of what platforms developers will target for exclusive, premium gaming software.

The other huge difference between Apple's iPhone sales and the last batch of video game consoles is that Apple is earning industry-leading profit margins, while both Microsoft and Sony were selling hardware at a loss just to create an installed base. Cheaper video games, including Nintendo's Wii systems, were sold at a profit from the start. Conversely, cheaper Android smartphones are not profitable enough to keep the majority of vendors from losing money (below).

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iPad market now larger than Microsoft Windows in 1998



Tablet metrics from Strategy Analytics present a similarly obscured window into the iPad market. Apple's critics love to cite these numbers, but comparing the iPad's former "market share" in 2010 with the current numbers being advertised today create a false impression of the direction and trajectory of the market.

August 21, 2013


Apple doesn't now have just a quarter of the tablet clout it had just three years ago, as such "market share" figures try to suggest. The ecosystem for tablet apps continues to be targeted almost exclusively at iPads, even as iPad sales, and therefore app demand, have ballooned. Apple has now sold more iPads to date than Microsoft and Sony have sold of their leading last generation game consoles over a period twice as long

Apple has now sold more iPads to date than Microsoft and Sony have sold of their leading last generation game consoles over a period twice as long (170 million iPads in four years, versus 160 million Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 units over 8 years).

They are not in the same market, but that does illustrate the size of Apple's premium tablet platform, clearly unmatched by large volumes of $40-100 Android tablet shipments.

Additionally, enterprise and education markets report iPad adoption rates that are above 90 percent, higher than all versions of Windows were a similar four years after the launch of Windows 95.

Microsoft's share of the 1998 PC OS market was reported to be 86.7 percent, according to a CNET report of IDC figures. In a market of 89 million units, that gave Microsoft software licensing on about 77.1 million machines.

Apple sold 71 million iPads in its fiscal 2013 ending in September, making its sales of iPads today nearly as large as Microsoft's total sales of Windows licenses in 1998 (and possibly larger for the calendar year, if holiday quarterly iPad sales beat last year's by 6 million units).

It's also notable that back then, Microsoft was selling four different OS versions, ranging from the DOS-hosted Windows 3.11, 95 and 98 to Windows NT. Apple ships iPads with one OS version, and supports iOS 7 on every iPad sold after the original model.

One can argue that Apple shouldn't have such dominant sales, or advocate against it or for rivals, but a false portrayal of reality in the market does not achieve those goals. If IBM had paid a market research company to advertise market metrics that falsely portrayed OS/2 as having made serious progress against Windows in the mid 90s when it clearly wasn't, such a distortion of reality wouldn't have turned IBM's OS/2 fortunes around.

Or, alternatively, if market researchers back in the late 90s had traveled the world looking for shipments of electronic devices ranging from calculators to Palm Pilots, anything with an "identifiable processor," it would have been easy to publish statistics portraying Microsoft's "market share" as perilously slipping in the global market for "digital devices."

However, such nonsense numbers wouldn't have had any impact on the undeniable fact that Microsoft still dominated the PC computing landscape, the same way Apple dominated music playback almost ten years ago and the way iPad is dominating mobile computing today.
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But really, who cares? As long as Apple is making enough money on the devices to keep making them and improving them, I don't care how many people use them vs. Android.

This is about investment, not technology. There are lots of other investments to put your money in, so just move on to something less volatile.
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Thanks for this article. I would argue that the misunderstanding of Apple combined with a willful manipulation if the data is creating an ideal situation to buy the stock.

I'd rather buy the successful stock all the idiots are proclaiming is dying rather than the hot stock of a company that's actually not making any money.

No stock escapes reality forever no matter how hard many people are working to mislead.
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Man bites dog stories will always be the bread and butter of the popular press–especially the press that wants to be MORE popular. Thanks, DED, good analogy.
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The purpose behind the numbers being pushed is to create a market which doesn't yet exist. Most people want to go with the herd as consumers, and most developers do also. Where the herd is is where you can be confident that you're not making a mistake.

As has been noted in the restaurant business, if you want to know which restaurant to eat at, look for the restaurant with long lines. Apple certainly gets the benefit of long lines -- you don't think long lines at an Apple store is an accident do you?
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So the Playstation 4 is broken on launch day (and wobbles when set on a desk), the Xbox One will RROD just like every other Microsoft product, but when it does work it will be visually and audibly monitoring you 24/7 due to the always-on, always-plugged in Kinect…

 

And Apple’s supposed to be worried? With either an iPhone or iPod touch in every pocket? When the A7 is three-quarters of the way to matching the capabilities of last generation’s consoles and the A8, next year, will be, what, a quarter of the way to this gen’s? In two years’ time, Apple devices should be able to put out more graphically intensive games than either of these consoles, but the people who buy the latter will be stuck with them for at least five more years, if we listen to their respective companies!

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Yay another article trying to push an alternative highly biased opinion on sales figures against other biased opinions. In a few more days we can have another article describing how none of the figures are accurate anyway.
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All these made up statistics lying in order to not show just how well Apple is doing and just how poorly its competition is doing.  This is pure Apple hate with the obvious intention of manipulating share prices.  Why not just look at the numbers that are not influenced by reporting nor manipulation on the stock market?  The companies own reported and audited financials?

 

Apple's revenue is still growing- from 157 bil to 171 bil- but at <10% year over year where Google and Samsung are in the 20%+ range...

 

Despite the 'record sales' and still growing revenue, Apple's income is down from 55.7 billion to 50.2 billion where Google and Samsung are still showing healthy increasing profits from year to year.  Even in your own chart above Apple's operating income is lagging last years where Samsung has already surpassed last years entire income in only 3 quarters (and missing the holiday season fourth quarter at that).

 

I can understand the stock market being influenced by the lies the 'lamestream' tech media is presenting, but why do the actual financials line up with what they are saying?

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Wonder what it would take for Apple to "move" iPad into PC category. Perhaps iOS version of XCODE would stop this "media tablet" nonsense from the research firms.
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As an investor, the fact that your investment target can make a lot of profit is great.

As a customer, I don't understand why you would celebrate profits at Apple's level.

Some people will say that Apple needs the money to innovate. But profits come after all the costs of innovation! All of the engineering, design, parts, etc. research that Apple conducts are on the cost side of the ledger; they come before the profit calculation.

I think that's why Apple is trading lower than it should. A lot of investors are wondering what Apple intends to do with all this money that it's NOT spending on innovation. Some investors think Apple should just give them the money (dividends, buy backs). Other investors think that Apple should trade profit margin for market share and customer goodwill (and even greater future profits). Since Apple's predisposition until recently was to do neither, many investors were confused and frustrated. Even now, Apple's decision to buy back shares doesn't necessarily help; the company will give back some of its cash horde now, but it's still piling up cash as fast as ever and has made no commitment to its investors about what to do with it all.
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Can't believe you posted a tweet from Dan Lyons. I'd almost completely forgotten about that lying, deceitful, despicable troll, who has built an entire career on attacking Apple with lies and predicting their demise. Even though he's been proven wrong with pretty much every single prediction he's ever made, major online publications still hire him as a "tech expert" and blogs publish his columns. His writing is mind-numbingly hateful and disingenuous.
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Anyone catch the latest PS4 Vs. Xbox on Southpark that also makes fun of Black Friday and Game of thrones? Gotta love princess Kenny. Hilarious

 

I currently have a PS3 and it was a good decision. If you want to watch some add on features like Netflix, Youtube, etc..on the Xbox then you need to pay for a yearly Xbox live account but that is not needed on the PS platform. I do not want to keep sending money to a company just to be able to watch Netflix.Without that annual $60? tribute to Microsft your console is basically bricked.  That alone was reason enough for me to choose a PS3. I will probably get a PS4 as well but no big hurry. I have enjoyed the games on my PS3 and will continue enjoying them another year or so before I get the PS4. I also think the PS4 does a better job with more 1080P native games and like the controller better. 

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Now, cue a beefed up A7 Apple TV with steam support and a steam controller
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As a customer, I don't understand why you would celebrate profits at Apple's level.
 A lot of investors are wondering what Apple intends to do with all this money that it's NOT spending on innovation. 

Customers "celebrate" Apple's (today) profits because that means they will have the necessary funds to do more (future) innovation, without having to create debt, the way so many other "wise"  companies do. A solid foundation of profit goes a long way to ensuring a solid future ..... something too many "investors/gamblers" and, yes, sometimes trolls, eagerly forget.

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Originally Posted by dnd0ps View Post
Now, cue a beefed up A7 Apple TV with steam support and a steam controller

 

Ew. 

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Both Sony and Microsoft are reporting within the first week of launch excess of 1 million units sold.

Great news for AMD! [Yes, I have stock and will expand my position].
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Yay another article trying to push an alternative highly biased opinion on sales figures against other biased opinions. In a few more days we can have another article describing how none of the figures are accurate anyway.

yet another troll post whining about something they purport to have no interest in. In a few more days we can have another troll post whining about something else. Yawn
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Can't believe you posted a tweet from Dan Lyons. I'd almost completely forgotten about that lying, deceitful, despicable troll, who has built an entire career on attacking Apple with lies and predicting their demise. Even though he's been proven wrong with pretty much every single prediction he's ever made, major online publications still hire him as a "tech expert" and blogs publish his columns. His writing is mind-numbingly hateful and disingenuous.

Yeah, but fake steve jobs was hilarious.

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the Xbox One will RROD just like every other Microsoft product....

Actually they've taken measures this time to prevent the RROD.
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As an investor, the fact that your investment target can make a lot of profit is great.

As a customer, I don't understand why you would celebrate profits at Apple's level.

Some people will say that Apple needs the money to innovate. But profits come after all the costs of innovation! All of the engineering, design, parts, etc. research that Apple conducts are on the cost side of the ledger; they come before the profit calculation.

I think that's why Apple is trading lower than it should. A lot of investors are wondering what Apple intends to do with all this money that it's NOT spending on innovation. Some investors think Apple should just give them the money (dividends, buy backs). Other investors think that Apple should trade profit margin for market share and customer goodwill (and even greater future profits). Since Apple's predisposition until recently was to do neither, many investors were confused and frustrated. Even now, Apple's decision to buy back shares doesn't necessarily help; the company will give back some of its cash horde now, but it's still piling up cash as fast as ever and has made no commitment to its investors about what to do with it all.

 

Apple is investing roughly $20+ Billion in 2014 for R&D, Manufacturing innovations and expansions, alone never mind the new product segments it will be targeting.

 

To date, Latestpatents.com reveals Apple has been granted 1720 patents for 2013 and at the rate of the past 2 months they have a strong possibility of reaching 2000 patents for the year 2013.

 

Within those patents are mind numbingly innovative new manufacturing processes for the next decade or more no one can copy. Then the advances to their embedded and desktop systems, not to mention future Entertainment solutions and it is quite clear Apple's best days are ahead of them.

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Now, cue a beefed up A7 Apple TV with steam support and a steam controller

Sinus problems?
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So the Playstation 4 is broken on launch day (and wobbles when set on a desk), the Xbox One will RROD just like every other Microsoft product, but when it does work it will be visually and audibly monitoring you 24/7 due to the always-on, always-plugged in Kinect…
and Safari crashes multiple times a day on my iPad Air. What's your point?
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
Actually they've taken measures this time to prevent the RROD.

 

Sure they have.

 

Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post
and Safari crashes multiple times a day on my iPad Air. What's your point?

 

My point is that I figured people were intelligent enough to get what’s being said here, much less to make relevant analogies.

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Thanks for this article. I would argue that the misunderstanding of Apple combined with a willful manipulation if the data is creating an ideal situation to buy the stock.

I'd rather buy the successful stock all the idiots are proclaiming is dying rather than the hot stock of a company that's actually not making any money.

No stock escapes reality forever no matter how hard many people are working to mislead.
Amazon did and does, the more money they lost, the higher their stock prices, Google's Android hit the same sweet spot, but they have a history of cutting off no profitable product lines, so one day, people will wake up and find out Google abandons Android OS
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So the Playstation 4 is broken on launch day (and wobbles when set on a desk), the Xbox One will RROD just like every other Microsoft product, but when it does work it will be visually and audibly monitoring you 24/7 due to the always-on, always-plugged in Kinect…

 

And Apple’s supposed to be worried? With either an iPhone or iPod touch in every pocket? When the A7 is three-quarters of the way to matching the capabilities of last generation’s consoles and the A8, next year, will be, what, a quarter of the way to this gen’s? In two years’ time, Apple devices should be able to put out more graphically intensive games than either of these consoles, but the people who buy the latter will be stuck with them for at least five more years, if we listen to their respective companies!

 

I think Tallest Skil makes a sound point in the 2nd paragraph here.

 

The A7 with Rogue graphics is on a par of 'just' behind the current or out going 'last gen' consoles.

 

With the A8, will be a 'quarter' of the way to catching up.  And yes, in two years time it's going to be very close with or visually competitive with the current incoming costless with the possibility of Apple pulling ahead.  The consoles are static.  The iPad is a moving target and it's graphical capabilities are doubling every year.  It's quite astonishing.

 

Put that in the context of 4k ATVs...and the rumoured '4k' 13 inch iPad and matters get real interesting.  All in a device so thin.  Star Trek tech'.  

 

As somebody who had a C64 when he was younger, this sort of stuff is mind blowing, really.

 

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

As somebody who had a C64 when he was younger, this sort of stuff is mind blowing, really.

 

Number Munchers still beats the snot out of the vast majority of modern games (the little ones, you know, like Angry Birds and what have you). And you learned something while playing it other than the optimal fictional angle at which to hit some animated pigs.

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Both Sony and Microsoft are reporting within the first week of launch excess of 1 million units sold.

They apparently topped 1 million each in the first 24 hours:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101222864

They've both done really well. Nintendo hasn't even sold 0.5 million in 6 months:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/30/wii-u-nintendo-sells-under-500000-in-six-months

I'd say Apple's products complement the XBox and Playstation consoles as you can use them while playing to track stats and as guides. They compete more with the 3DS, Vita and Wii as they are more focused on casual games or portable games. There's a Zelda-like game here for iOS for example:

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The purpose behind the numbers being pushed is to create a market which doesn't yet exist. Most people want to go with the herd as consumers, and most developers do also. Where the herd is is where you can be confident that you're not making a mistake.

That's an excellent point - they are trying to create a market, by making developers less afraid to enter. All Apple needs to do then is continually emphasise the definite profits that are being made in their store and all the big name developers already there.

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I do wonder if these consoles (both of them) will be as successful as their predecessors. When you look at the price of games in Steam sales and in the iOS App Store, the consoles just aren't competitive. It's only the fact that people lend their discs to each other that keeps them alive, and the manufacturers won't let that go on for much longer.

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From time to time DED gets carried away with his adjectives and becomes ripe for having fun poked at him.

 

"Very worthless"? How might that be different from "somewhat worthless" or "slightly worthless"?

 

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Apple is investing roughly $20+ Billion in 2014 for R&D, Manufacturing innovations and expansions, alone never mind the new product segments it will be targeting.

To date, Latestpatents.com reveals Apple has been granted 1720 patents for 2013 and at the rate of the past 2 months they have a strong possibility of reaching 2000 patents for the year 2013.

Within those patents are mind numbingly innovative new manufacturing processes for the next decade or more no one can copy. Then the advances to their embedded and desktop systems, not to mention future Entertainment solutions and it is quite clear Apple's best days are ahead of them.

In 2007 Apple officially changed their name from 'Apple Computer' to 'Apple Inc.'.

In 2014 I highly recommend, in order to more accurately reflect their position, that they change their name once again.

To 'Godzilla'.

An awful lot of companies are about to get stomped on.
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I don't get the point of this editorial, Its Apples & oranges.
Apple doesn't make something that competes in the home console gaming space.
You could argue that the iPod touch or iPad takes the sales away from the 3DS or PS Vita, not the full gaming consoles tho. 
Sony & MS are running off a different model to the one apple uses for its non gaming device.

Interestingly tho, i traded in a bunch of my old Xbox 360 games, not all of the ones I own, just the ones i'll never play again.I traded in about 30 games...  Aussie prices for games are higher than in the US.
So i spent roughly $3200 just on the games i traded in, (not including games i kept or my PS3 games, PC games), which is more than i spent on buying my iPad 3, iPod touch & iPhone & all the thousands of apps & games i have. 

 

Just did a quick bit of reading, for the people that are worried about the state of the video game market, Call of duty Ghosts, made over a billion dollars on its opening day, GTA 5 made 800 million & GTA 5 is only out on PS3 & Xbox 360, those 2 titles made almost 2 billion dollars, in one day, i don't think the game industry has anything to worry about at the moment. 

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From time to time DED gets carried away with his adjectives and becomes ripe for having fun poked at him.

 

"Very worthless"? How might that be different from "somewhat worthless" or "slightly worthless"?

 

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

It's like Borderlands, people who question DED on these forums may find themselves "slightly obliterated."

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In 2014 I highly recommend, in order to more accurately reflect their position, that they change their name once again.

To 'Godzilla'.

And Samsung should be renamed to Just Xeroxed It
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It's like Borderlands, people who question DED on these forums may find themselves "slightly obliterated."

So you're saying that DED - a paragon of objectivity, principles and reserve - could possibly take offense at a humorous grammatical correction - and thus stoop so low as to chop off one of his friends and supporters at the kneecaps?

 

Oh, perish the thought!

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And Samsung should be renamed to Just Xeroxed It

Or even just "Xerox".

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I don't get the point of this editorial, Its Apples & oranges.
Apple doesn't make something that competes in the home console gaming space.
You could argue that the iPod touch or iPad takes the sales away from the 3DS or PS Vita, not the full gaming consoles tho. 

 

 

Agreed the iPad doesn't really fit in the gaming console sector, but it actually fits in that sector better than it would in the 'PC' segment.  Tablets are still generally vastly inferior for most core purposes people need PC's for.  Tablets did take a bite out of the PC market from the users that really didn't need PC's but wanted to play games, read email, and browse the web.   Playing games, reading email, and browsing the web are things the consoles games do well, so it probably fits in better in that category and tablets are probably going to displace gaming consoles to a larger extent than PC's.

 

If you need a PC you need a PC.  On the other hand, "okay Billy, for Christmas if you could pick one, would you want an Xbox, PS4, or iPad" is a fairly likely zero sum choice a few kids out there are being given.

 

At the same time, the iPad just doesn't fit quite right in the gaming console segment either.  Tablets are just tablets, their own category.

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Or even just "Xerox".

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If you need a PC you need a PC.  On the other hand, "okay Billy, for Christmas if you could pick one, would you want an Xbox, PS4, or iPad" is a fairly likely zero sum choice a few kids out there are being given.

 

At the same time, the iPad just doesn't fit quite right in the gaming console segment either.  Tablets are just tablets, their own category.

 

Fair points.
the way i see it tho, a console is out for 7 - 8 years before they get out of date.
So a parent who has a few kids could get one system for the household, so if a kid got an iPad one year, the same console is still out the following year or 8, Besides that, most gamers are between 25 - 35, older people have more money & since the systems are out for a while, why choose when people can & do get both?.

iPads are companion devices to the next gen console, you can help your friends in battle field 4 (PC, XBOX one & PS4) by using your iPad to do support role stuff, send supply shipments to team mates & use cannons. 

 

Every single one of my friends has at least one console, most have a few, quite a few have iPads, some have android tablets. 

The more i look into it the more i see that the iPad doesn't compete with gaming consoles, it really doesn't, its logical that people who cant afford a tablet & a console might have to make a choice not because of overlapping function, just purely on budget, But if most people wanted a tablet (in the first world), it wouldn't be a choice between an iPad & the PS4, it might be between the iPad & a computer (which covers the general persons IT needs) heres the interesting thing, people do make the choice between say a PS4 & a PC, thats not for their IT needs, its for gaming.
the iPad is in a different universe when it comes to gaming, any console or PC is so far superior to any tablet when it comes to gaming.

I love my iPads, ill keep buying them, but besides a few minutes of playing a basic puzzle game or some angry birds, its a horrible gaming experience comparatively, graphics are not the reason for this, the controls are, the controls are your means to enter the game, touch screen has no feed back, its a very very sterile gaming experience, Apple obviously noticed this & added controller APIs to iOS 7 so people can use controllers for their iOS devices, which might change the game. we will see, for now tho, an iPad does not replace a gaming console, nor should it.


when someone is sitting in their lounge room, do they whip out their iPad to watch movies?, no, you turn on your big TV, people have an iPad with them, to do some web surfing & maybe check IMDB, when someone is at home wanting to play games, who honestly believes someone would use an iPad over anything else?.

Console gaming is making more money than ever!, its actually growing, it has nothing to do with the Android VS iOS thing thats going on, its on a different field. 

every iOS device is amazing at what it does, gaming is a bonus thing it can do, its not what it does primarily or what it was designed for.

anything that does its primary job very well should be better at it than something that does it on the side & its true again here & that is totally ok.
If i want  to listen to music i turn on my stereo system (hooked up to my mac mini) or listen to my iPod touch, my iPad can do this but its not the way i prefer to do it.
when i want to watch movies, i watch them on my big TV.
when i want to take photos, i use my DSLR.
When i want to do any of those things but i didn't plan for it, my iPhone/iPad can do any of these things & that is why they are truly amazing, they do not replace any of those things tho. 

Thats how i see it anyways.

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