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post #41 of 64
It's unbelievable that this review neglects Quickoffice, the suite bought by Google and then made free. It's far, far better than what the Google Drive app offers.

I used to be a user of Quickoffice on iOS (and PalmPilot before that), for its msft compatibility more than anything.

Of course, since Google removed support for Dropbox in Quickoffice, it's been removed from all my devices.
post #42 of 64
Originally Posted by dacloo View Post
You'd thought they learned from the Final Cut Pro X launch, but no.

 

You’d think you would have learned what Apple’s doing with its software by now, given that it has been, what, two years, now.


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Of course, there is also the issue of Apple dumbing down desktop versions to create parity with the iOS versions.

 

An issue being rapidly resolved.

 

Originally Posted by forentria View Post
Its unbelievable that this review neglects Quickoffice

 

Why, when no one here cares one iota for a product from Google?

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post #43 of 64
Obviously, most of the commenters here are not programmers and are completely unaware of the scripting capabilities of Apple Numbers or Apple Word. While I can't yet comment about the most recent versions as yet, the previous versions of Apple Numbers and Apple Word are quite powerful.

Additionally, while Apple Numbers nor Apple Word aren't Microsoft Office, they aren't trying to be. For example, Apple Numbers doesn't offer pivot tables but does offer table categories. Table categories is much easier to use for the average user and just as functional (in conjunction with other features). Formatting and layout options are impressive in Apple Word as well.

The difference is that there are legions of Visual Basic programmers while there are significantly fewer AppleScript programmers.
post #44 of 64
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Originally Posted by neilbchap View Post

Sorry, not impressed with Pages/Numbers on iOS. But worse is what they've done to the desktop versions, by stripping away the most useful features for power users.

I've got 6,000.00 contact cards in my Contacts app, yet when I need to use a Template to create a simple business letter, I have to switch apps and hunt and peck to copy and paste the multiple fields that I routinely use in correspondence (Name, address, date of birth, fax numbers, email etc etc.)

1) Does MS, Google or someone else make a better iOS app for document and spreadsheet editing on a phone?

2) I think Apple should have made it more transparent that files had to be converted to the new version and made it clear where to find the old versions of the app and original documents but I don't think it's fair to complain about it affecting power users when those options were still there for you. Frankly, if you really are a power user I would expect you to not simply jump into a new update without first having backups and making damn sure the update is worthwhile.

3) 6 million contacts is certainly not the norm and quite frankly I'm surprised you aren't using better 3rd-party options for parsing data, like Vi or a MS Office Macro, as well as surprised that you would call any version of Pages and Numbers apps for power users. I don't recall anyone ever referring to themselves as power users of Pages and Numbers.

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post #45 of 64
I see what Apple is doing but it's ridiculous. You can't turn loyal users into beta testers without calling it exactly that. Pro users are screwed for the next two years, until the software becomes mature.
Apple has proven to be very unreliable and unprofessional. I appreciate they don't settle with legacy code and rewrite the whole thing, but you can't launch and market product like that.

And what kind of iWork user are you TK? Do you actually use it on a daily basis?
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You’d think you would have learned what Apple’s doing with its software by now, given that it has been, what, two years, now.

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post #46 of 64

[quote] PagesNumbers, and Keynote are every bit as fast, stable, and feature-rich as their desktop counterparts[/quote]

 

Well that's because the desktop versions were dumbed down to only include features that could be crammed into an iPhone. Hardly an endorsement worth bragging about.

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post #47 of 64
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Originally Posted by nagromme View Post

Numbers is the killer app for me. I've always used spreadsheets of necessity but never liked them. Switched to Numbers a couple years ago and never looked back! I like the way it "thinks"--it removes a barrier of annoyance I have always felt with old-fashioned spreadsheet apps. I use the iPad version.

 

I've always been an Excel and OpenOffice user but I'm starting to like Apple's office apps. I have not yet used Numbers because of my almost intuitive familiarity with Excel. What is it about Numbers that you appreciate? I would very much like to know. What is the "barrier" you mentioned above? What do you mean by the way Numbers "thinks?" Thanks.

 

By the way, get the iPad Air. It is excellent. (My only complaint is that it didn't launch with a 256GB version. But there's always online storage. Perhaps iPad Pro...)

post #48 of 64
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Originally Posted by tbsteph View Post

The author would pick Google Docs and the Google Drive app based solely on Docs's ubiquity among internet users.

Wow! Now there is some quality reasoning. Office runs circles around anything offered by Google and is the predominantly used application suite amongst those that need a serious productivity solution. I willing to bet Office is more ubiquitous than Google Docs/Drive.

 

Besides, Dropbox is the online storage of choice. All intelligent people agree, I think. :)

post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by forentria View Post
Of course, since Google removed support for Dropbox in Quickoffice, it's been removed from all my devices.

 

Dropbox support is still there, by way of the sharing options in both QuickOffice and Dropbox. Simply, Dropbox is no longer the online storage for the apps.

 

I like the new QuickOffice more, since they finally removed those awuful Microsoft code colors from the app titles. Not that I like grey, but in this case it is less 'alarming'.

 

Paolo

post #50 of 64
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What is it about Numbers that you appreciate? I would very much like to know. What is the "barrier" you mentioned above?

 

I cannot answer for nagromme, but I can say that I find the grid concept annoying, if not dumb. when making my calculations on a sheet of paper, I draw only the cells I need. Exactly what Numbers does.

post #51 of 64
I would love to use Numbers on Mac but I hate to see it lacks tons of features that Excel has. Moreover, Numbers now lacks lots of features that existed in previous version. The top top reasons for me not to use are...

1. You can no longer sum by selecting the multiple cells first, containing different values, and click sum from fx function to get the total. You will actually need to type in sum in cell and then select the cells to get the total. Such a basic thing but very important.

2. Date format is totally screwed up across all Apple platforms, whether its Numbers, Aperture or now even with Mavericks. Numbers on iOS is slightly better now but on Mac, Apple is forcing to use month, day and year format even if I have British English set as default. So much so OS X menu bar only displays date in MMM DD format only.

Excel still gives me a lot more flexibility, features and freedom to use the software the way I want. Although I like the simplicity of Numbers. I don't much use iWork on my iOS devices because I hardly use any of my iOS devices and rather prefer using my MBA 11"
post #52 of 64

Apple needs to add a scripting language like VBA embedded into Numbers. Only then will it start to approach the power of Excel. Sorry, Applescript does not cut it. Although if Apple did do this, I'm pretty sure they would implement it in a fantastic way.

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post #53 of 64
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Numbers is awful and more eye candy than functionality. Pages and Keynote far easier to use and way ahead in of their MS offerings, word or powerpoint. Until Apple get Numbers functionality on par with Excel, they are never going to to break into the corporate IT world where the spreadsheet is king.

:no: Excel is the single most overrated piece of software in the history of software.

post #54 of 64

It really shouldn't shock anyone that Apple's software is among the best in the world...they actually try.

 

Microsoft is still writing crap for a user experience from 2 decades ago, and Google could not care less if their software is among the worst ever created....it only exists to be another way of showing you ads.

post #55 of 64

Pages is unusable  for substantive work because of missing features (such as TOC and index, footnotes and endnotes by section, etc.).

Alas, there is no alternative to abysmal buggy Word Office. NeoOffice, LibreOffice, OpenOffice suffer the same shortcomings.

Scrivener is remarkable, but more for authors, screenplaywriters, etc.

post #56 of 64

I agree with article that if you want to do work on your iPhone then Apples apps are the best. As the article is about productivity though, I'd question if any of them are productive, or if it's actually possible to make a productive app on an iPhone. End of the day it's still a phone and there's a limit to what you can do on a screen so small.

 

If we're talking about editing documents then isn't the most productive one going to be the one that can access your companies files? Simple quick edits more than anything else needs you to be able to easily open, edit and save the file where its located. Office 365 and Google Docs, do a good job at that. Apples stuff not so much unless your in a Mac only environment, but most of us are in a PC and Mac environment so the solution needs to be cross platform.

post #57 of 64
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Pages is unusable  for substantive work because of missing features (such as TOC and index, footnotes and endnotes by section, etc.).

 

If you are referring to Pages for iOS, footnotes and endnotes by section are there. I guess TOC will be introduced in the forthcoming months.

If you are referring to the desktop version, Pages has all that (apart for the Index).

 

I'm always surprised, however, why so few refer to Nisus Writer or Mellel when speaking of professional wordprocessing on the Mac. You are not forced to use Windows software (or Apple branded software). 

 

As for using the full-featured Word or LibreOffice Write on a tablet or phone -- well, yuk!

 

Paolo

post #58 of 64

Endnotes by section is not possible on desktop Pages. I just spent time with Apple support that confirmed the fact.

post #59 of 64
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Originally Posted by kantx View Post

Endnotes by section is not possible on desktop Pages.

 

I just did it with Pages 09. Endnote numbering can restart at each section (as set in the Document panel).

Is this a bug in the new Pages?

post #60 of 64

Don't know. I tried it as an alternative because I've been battling with Word bag of bugs for 48 hours because it freezed before realizing it was just the bloody infamous Grammar Checker of Mister Fat Ass Ballmer that freezed Word. Finally deactivated the damn thing and Word is fine again. Problem is that bug exists since Word 1998 and Fat Ass Ballmer and his goons never corrected it.

 

Other flaw in Pages : when you create a note, you cannot navigate back from the note to the note entry by clicking on its number, as you can in Word.


Edited by kantx - 11/25/13 at 9:31am
post #61 of 64

I'd have to say as an advanced user of PowerPoint and Word that I prefer Keynote and Pages. They are just way more comfortable and faster to use. Now if I had to do a few complex macros -- sure, I might break out Word -- but it's absolutely horrendous for anything remotely like page layout. Image positioning is a pain in Word and anything complex can get tedious. Word is still better for technical and long documents but, heck if I'm going to get THAT involved, I'll be using Adobe or Quark (still) over Word. Anything to get away from that Ribbon interface which makes the 2008 version and upgrade (I have to use the newer versions at work but wouldn't download them for free if I had to).

 

Keynote quickly became the standard with convention presentations. Looping a video and laying text over it becomes a very fast "lower third". I'd layer things all the time with basic QuickTime PNG looped videos with transparency. You can instantly tell the text quality and image crispness is sub-pixel and superior to PowerPoint, which kind of looks onscreen like "MS Paint" versus PhotoShop. And that's fairly tragic. Having years of experience in MS apps, after a week of using Keynote I found I could work faster in it. The one little tabbed inspector to do everything just makes getting to tasks easier. There is NO CUSTOMIZING IT -- which is what makes it more useful, not less. Everything is logically placed where you'd expect it once you get used to the way Keynote works.

 

Numbers still isn't a serious contender in the office to Excel, but for people doing little budgets, invoices and more "creative show-and-tell" spreadsheets, it's more clean-cut. I'm a relative power user on Excel so I can tell there isn't a lot of depth to Numbers, but what is there is so much more useable than Excel. It's hard to explain exactly what it is -- it's the attention to detail I suppose and not over-complicating things. Microsoft also has a bad habit of re-inventing terms using generic words -- so it's impossible to actually search for help items on some Microsoft page layout and function words. Other than mail merge, I can't remember having Help help me in an MS app.

post #62 of 64
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Originally Posted by tbsteph View Post

The author would pick Google Docs and the Google Drive app based solely on Docs's ubiquity among internet users.

Wow! Now there is some quality reasoning. Office runs circles around anything offered by Google and is the predominantly used application suite amongst those that need a serious productivity solution. I willing to bet Office is more ubiquitous than Google Docs/Drive.

Really? Office runs circles around Google Docs and iWork? On the iPhone?

 

Did you read the article?

post #63 of 64
Google Docs/Apps efforts have been seeing some significant success lately on the enterprise front. A couple weeks ago the City of Boston announced that all employees would be transitioning to Google Apps joining the States of Colorado and Utah in dumping Microsoft. Today Maryland became the third US state to choose Google Apps for all state agencies.
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post #64 of 64

Interesting. I will look into Numbers. Thanks.

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