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A 612-page patent application filed with the World Intellectual Property Organization shows that Apple is considering wide-ranging new uses for fingerprint sensing technology in its mobile devices, from user interface navigation and mobile payment processing to multiuser support.

New Touch ID patent
Apple wants to make its fingerprint recognition technology much smarter.


The patent, filed in May of this year and published by the WIPO last week, depicts both the new Touch ID-enabled home button found in the iPhone 5s as well as a touchscreen display with an embedded fingerprint sensing layer. The concept of a fingerprint sensor embedded into a display is not a new one for Apple; the company already references the implementation in at least two other patents, but the most recent filing dives deep into how the invention could be leveraged by a new generation of devices.

New Touch ID patent
The patent imagines new gesture-based interactions for the Touch ID-enabled home button.


Apple's first set of claims revolve around enabling the home button's Touch ID sensor to identify and process gestures, essentially acting as a miniature trackpad for navigating within and switching between applications. Apple argues that swiping across the display to move a map or double-clicking the device's home button to bring up the multitasking menu are suboptimal, calling?those approaches "cumbersome" and saying they "can take a long time or be difficult for a user to remember."

Instead, Apple suggests a quick left-to-right swipe across the home button for moving through application's interface and a short swipe upwards to show iOS's multitasking screen.

Other types of gesture-based home button functions are also considered. Twisting a finger on the sensor or making a circle --?which Apple calls a "revolution" --?around the sensor's edge could toggle iOS's orientation lock feature, for example, while keeping a finger in contact with the button for a specific period of time could change the button's behavior when pressed.

New Touch ID patent
Multiple user profiles could be supported with per-app permissions.


A significant portion of the patent deals with identifying specific users and customizing the device's behavior for each one. In the most basic user identification claim, the patent details a system for creating multiple individual user profiles --?similar to user accounts found on OS X --?and unlocking to the profile associated with a specific fingerprint. Apple even details a "guest mode," a feature iPad owners have been clamoring for since the tablet's release.

Permissions-based profiles make an appearance as well, with the patent contemplating a device shared by a family with young children. A tap from a child's finger would not be allowed to open the Settings application, for instance, while a parent's tap would be accepted.

Apple applies the same concept to app security on a broader level. Using a fingerprint sensor embedded in the display, the operating system can permit or deny access to individual users on a per-app basis --?one user would be permitted to open a banking application, for example, while a different user would not, even without changing user profiles.

New Touch ID patent
A mobile, location-based payment system with fingerprint authentication.


Continuing with the financial theme, the patent predicts a mobile, location-based payments system authenticated by a user's fingerprint. A user is shown checking into a coffee house and authorizing a payment to that same business with their fingerprint, a feature many believe is in the works with Apple's iBeacons microlocation technology as a complementary piece.

New Touch ID patent
An in-display fingerprint sensor could correct fingering problems when learning to play piano.


Some more interesting, offbeat claims also make an appearance. By logging which fingerprints belong to which specific fingers on a user's hands, Apple imagines a system that could teach fingering for playing piano or proper form for touch-typing on screen.

Fingerprints might also be used for pairing devices, which Apple illustrates with a depiction of a user extending their iPhone's display to another situated next to it for reading, creating a larger map-viewing surface, or even playing an instrument. Simply placing the handsets next to each other and touching one with the left hand and the other with the right hand is enough to complete the configuration.

New Touch ID patent
Mirrored displays, showing a map, connected by simply touching each device.


Overall, the patent includes some 464 claims, of which 180 are independent, in its more than 600 pages. The WIPO seems not to appreciate the application's girth, admonishing Apple by saying that "there are so many claims, and they are drafted in such a way...as it is particularly burdensome for a skilled person to establish the subject-matter for which protection is sought," while noting the application's non-compliance with the WIPO's "provisions of clarity and conciseness."
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
New Touch ID patent

 

Three years ago, before the iPad was even announced, I wrote up something that explicitly utilized this idea on a touchscreen. When you know which finger is which, you can easily get rid of mouse and keyboard.

 

Glad to see I’m not a completely worthless moron.

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I hope some of this comes to fruition. I'd love to have individual app authentication by fingerprint. And this patent also mentions utilizing touch id for user accounts. That one made me smile because of all the claims that Apple would never introduce user accounts because they want people to have to buy multiple devices, not share.

I have a feeling 2014 will be a big year for Apple. 2012 was all about showing they can stand on their own without Steve and 2013 was basically laying the groundwork for 2014 and beyond.
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I hope Apple watermarked the hell out of those 651 pages.  Never know when someone *cough**Samsung* tries to photocopy it.  At least it'll be a hell of a lot of pages to photoshop the watermarks out. :)

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And this patent also mentions utilizing touch id for user accounts. That one made me smile because of all the claims that Apple would never introduce user accounts because they want people to have to buy multiple devices, not share.
 

I always though Apple would use multiple user accounts as a selling point, in full knowledge that within a week or two of sharing a device most families / couples would only have one sure way to resolve their fighting - i.e. through another purchase. As it turned out any such devious tactic was not needed.

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Looks like Apple has BIG plans for TouchID. On a trackpad...awesome!
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Getting a bit tired of this site replacing the word "and" with a comma in the titles.
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So this is described as "burdensome", without a high level of conciseness in every scenario a patent is essentially worthless when it comes to using it in a court situation as it will be too broad.

 

Looks like Apple are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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 instead, Apple suggests a quick left-to-right swipe across the home button for moving through application's interface and a short swipe upwards to show iOS's multitasking screen.

 

I think I remember suggesting this :) 

 

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 why not make the home button the same as the screen, much like the glass trackpad? Actually, if they made the home button as a mini trackpad, that would allow swipe gestures also. 

 

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/155482/home-button-fingerprint-sensor-in-iphone-5s-would-give-apple-a-new-leg-up-on-the-competition/40 

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Imagine the level of security you get with multi-finger password coding. For example, instead of typing in 12345, it'll be 1(left index finger) 2(right pinky) 3(left index finger) 4(right middle finger) 5(right thumb). The security level increases with a password such as "1a2C6z9&" with multi-finger input.
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I hope Apple watermarked the hell out of those 651 pages.  Never know when someone *cough**Samsung* tries to photocopy it.  At least it'll be a hell of a lot of pages to photoshop the watermarks out. :)

I think you can safely change the verb "photocopy" to "Samsung"   Try: "Never know when someone might try to "Samsung" it.  Much shorter everyone.  One may as well get right to the point.

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I think you can safely change the verb "photocopy" to "Samsung"   Try: "Never know when someone might try to "Samsung" it.  Much shorter everyone.  One may as well get right to the point.


Very true.  Simple, direct, and to the point.  Nothing lost in translation. :)

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Originally Posted by Evilution View Post
Getting a bit tired of this site replacing the word "and" with a comma in the titles.

 

Guess you hate every newspaper ever, then. They don’t even bother with the comma!

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This is awesome ... And I believe these are Apple's baby steps in the direction of bringing iOS and OS X together ... Integrating TouchID into the trackpad (Macbook lineup) and extending iOS with multiple user accounts ... Give or take another 3-4 yrs we will be seeing a full fledged integrated experience of using an iPad / iphone / macbook ... Possibly even the iwatch !!
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"Apple imagines a system that could teach fingering"

 

For all those people who can't get a date, Apple is there for you.

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By reading this, you would be crazy to buy an iDevice without TouchID because it looks to be a big part of Apple products going forward.

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Just awesome.

At some point it will probably be possible to securely log in with any form of touch on the device. I imagine the work surface will be essentially a two-way camera/display that is capable of extremely high resolution, high speed scanning and at the same time projecting imagery. I remember a patent that described a "magic mirror" type of display that had tiny imaging elements in-between the display elements, but I forget which company owned that IP.

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By reading this, you would be crazy to buy an iDevice without TouchID because it looks to be a big part of Apple products going forward.

Possibly, but if you need or want the best today you'll buy an iPhone or iPad.

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I don't know much about patents so could someone explain. The multi-user feature is already available on Android so how can Apple patent it? 

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Originally Posted by psitthipo View Post
The multi-user feature is already available on Android so how can Apple patent it? 

 

You can’t patent “having multiple users”. That’s not what this is.

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I don't know much about patents so could someone explain. The multi-user feature is already available on Android so how can Apple patent it? 

 

This patent application hasn't been approved yet.  Prior art doesn't stop an entity for applying for a patent.  It's up to the USPTO to decide to grant the patent or not.  That said, this article alone doesn't give enough information as to whether that's one of the claims in this patent application.

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As usual, the all-important link to the source material has been left out. I'm off to find out which site AI swiped this story and rewrite it without attributing credit.

UPDATE: Here's the link... patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2013173838&recNum=19&maxRec=21212&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=Pub+Date+Desc&queryString=FP%3A%28Apple%29&tab=PCT+Biblio
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Three years ago, before the iPad was even announced, I wrote up something that explicitly utilized this idea on a touchscreen. When you know which finger is which, you can easily get rid of mouse and keyboard.

Glad to see I’m not a completely worthless moron.

How were we to know that you're a Touch ID idiot savant? lol.gif
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As usual, the all-important link to the source material has been left out. I'm off to find out which site AI swiped this story and rewrite it without attributing credit.

My guess? AI's writer was "influenced" by an article at MacRumors that was posted up a few hours earlier.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/25/apples-plans-to-enhance-touch-id-with-trackpad-capabilities-and-display-integration-revealed/

which in turn MacRumors credited to this source:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/25/apples-plans-for-touch-id-trackpad-for-5-iphones-all-display-as-fingerprint-scanner-more-in-a-patent-app/
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Rumor has it Samsuck was complaint the filing was not in Korean for them to rip off...
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My guess? AI's writer was "influenced" by an article at MacRumors that was posted up a few hours earlier.
http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/25/apples-plans-to-enhance-touch-id-with-trackpad-capabilities-and-display-integration-revealed/

which in turn MacRumors credited to this source:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/25/apples-plans-for-touch-id-trackpad-for-5-iphones-all-display-as-fingerprint-scanner-more-in-a-patent-app/

 

I'll have to find the time to read that patent application. ;)

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 Using a fingerprint sensor embedded in the display, the operating system can permit or deny access to individual users on a per-app basis
In the display? I don't see that happening any time soon - I don't think any company's even started talking about displays with these qualities yet, let alone demoing them or preparing them for production.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Three years ago, before the iPad was even announced, I wrote up something that explicitly utilized this idea on a touchscreen. When you know which finger is which, you can easily get rid of mouse and keyboard.

Glad to see I’m not a completely worthless moron.
Your not a worthless moron, you do have many interesting things to say, every once in a while it shows(like now).
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
How were we to know that you're a Touch ID idiot savant? lol.gif

 

Oh, not even Touch ID. I mean on the touchscreen itself. Different fingers leave different shapes; they’ll be distinguishable due to that and the relationship between other fingers on the display.

 

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every once in a while

 

There we go. :lol:

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post #30 of 48
This is definitely the future for corporations! - Easy multi-user access based on biometric identifiers.
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464 claims, of which 180 are independent? The filing fee must have been a doozy!!!!!

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Samsung has put a lot of rivals out of business by copying them. It's not a practice to be taken lightly by competitors. Samsung has made countless billions of dollars from copying Apple. Samsung put a serious kink in Apple's mobile business by copying them and only Apple and Apple shareholders are the big losers while everyone else on the planet and Wall Street seem perfectly happy with that. Crime certainly does pay and not everyone is concerned about morality when it comes to making big money. Apple needs to find better ways of securing their IP or whatever to protect themselves. I'm sure Google is able to protect its search algorithms so that no one else can use them. Apple needs to do the same with its product design.

Apple's iOS user interface wasn't protected well enough and Google was able to copy it pretty easily. That's Apple's fault because Steve Jobs was too trusting and practically gave it away. Let's hope this doesn't happen again in the future. Free Android is about the worst thing that could have ever happened to Apple and it appears to be impossible for Apple to take it down or even make any headway against it.
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Well, Apple should file a software patent where if Samscum copy its code, the device will blow up.
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New Touch ID patent
 
 

 

 

Waiting for Samsung, "Apple can't patent 'hands' "

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I don't know much about patents so could someone explain. The multi-user feature is already available on Android so how can Apple patent it? 

The fact that "The multi-user feature is already available on Android" is  very good news for Apple and its shareholders.

 

Why?

 

Because Apple OWN the patent for Multi Use.

 

In an Apple v Motorola(i.e.Google) case the ITC found Apple's Multi Touch patent invalid.  However the Federal Court Of Appeal OVERRULED the ITC and found that Apple's Multi Touch patent is VALID and have remanded the case back to the ITC, who are BOUND by the Federal Court ruling.

 

This is a very significant win for Apple, because in practical terms the Federal Court Of Appeal ruling is final. The only way to overturn the Federal Court Of Appeal is to Appeal to the Supreme Court which is far too busy to hear minor cases about patents unless there is a significant novel point of law at stake, which there apparently is not in this case.  The Supreme Court therefore would almost certainly refuse to to hear an appeal from Motorola/Google.

 

So watch this space, because it appears that there will soon be an import ban on Motorola/Google phones infringing on Apple's Multi Touch patent. Once Apple have got that they can then get an import ban on Samsung and all other Droids phones and tablets using Multi Touch.

 

Additionally, Apple will be able to sue all Droids for financial damages and compensation for infringing on their Multi Touch  patent, which will add billions of $$$ to Apple's coffers.


Edited by Secular Investor - 11/25/13 at 9:15pm
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Samsung has put a lot of rivals out of business by copying them. It's not a practice to be taken lightly by competitors. Samsung has made countless billions of dollars from copying Apple. Samsung put a serious kink in Apple's mobile business by copying them and only Apple and Apple shareholders are the big losers while everyone else on the planet and Wall Street seem perfectly happy with that. Crime certainly does pay and not everyone is concerned about morality when it comes to making big money. Apple needs to find better ways of securing their IP or whatever to protect themselves. I'm sure Google is able to protect its search algorithms so that no one else can use them. Apple needs to do the same with its product design.

Apple's iOS user interface wasn't protected well enough and Google was able to copy it pretty easily. That's Apple's fault because Steve Jobs was too trusting and practically gave it away. Let's hope this doesn't happen again in the future. Free Android is about the worst thing that could have ever happened to Apple and it appears to be impossible for Apple to take it down or even make any headway against it.

Contable DODO, you keep going on about how Samsung and Android are taking market share from iPhones and how Samsung is getting away with copying and stealing Apple's IP and that Apple are doomed.

 

YOU COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG

 

FIRSTLY, Samsung and Android are gaining market share in CHEAP LOW PROFIT smartphones in underdeveloped economies, where only a small proportion of people can afford the best i.e. iPhones. However iPhones are GAINING market share in HIGH END MORE PROFITABLE smartphones  over the past 12 to 18 months in more advanced economies with more affluent consumers,  for example in the US and Canada, much of Europe, Japan, Australia etc., while Samsung and Android have been LOSING market share to iPhones in most of these markets

 

SECONDLY Apple are making MORE PROFITS than ALL THE REST OF THE MOBILE INDUSTRY COMBINED

 

THIRDLY, the $930 million which Samsung will have to pay in Apple in the first two San Jose trails are just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG of the cost Samsung. Not only have they now been  found guilty and admitted that they stole Apples IP but Samsung have been indelibly BRANDED COPYCAT THIEVES, which is immensely damaging for their reputation and sales, especially in the US and the rest of the English speaking world.

 

However $930m damages is just the beginning. Samsung are going to have to pay countless billions of $$$ more to Apple AND many Samsung and Droid phones and tablets are going toto have injunctions placed on them as well as have import bans imposed for the following reasons:

 

The number of devices and the period of time at issue in the San Jose trials was reduced WITHOUT PREJUDICE, meaning that Apple can sue Samsung again and again

a)  for other devices infringing on the same patents

b)  for damages for more time since the first San Jose trial

c) for other patent infringements - Apple have hundreds of patents relating to iPhones, iPads and Multi Touch, many of which appear to have been infringed by Samsung and other Androids.

d) Additionally, TWO Federal Appeal Courts have UPHELD Apple's appeals making it significantly easier and much more likely for Apple to obtain injunctions against Samsung and other Androids as well as import bans by the ITC.

In particular, this week's ruling by the Federal Court Of Appeal significantly lowered the bar on the level of proof that Apple has to provide in order to obtain injunctions. Very helpfully for Apple the Appeal Court even clearly set out the criteria as follows

""Apple must show SOME (my Caps) connection between the patented feature and demand for Samsung's products."

"Some Connection" is a very low hurdle for Apple

In fact it seems that the juries in both San Jose trials have already made binding findings of fact of "some connection" and awarded damages to Apple on that basis.

It hardly seems likely or even possible for the judge NOT to accept the findings of fact of the juries under her own supervision, especially as she has already accepted the $600m damages awarded by the jury to Apple in the first trial.

e) Once Apple have obtained damages, injunctions and import bans they can then obtain the same against other Droid devices for devices which are not "colorably different" and infringing on the same patents.

 

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I think you can safely change the verb "photocopy" to "Samsung"   Try: "Never know when someone might try to "Samsung" it.  Much shorter everyone.  One may as well get right to the point.

First use of "Samsung" as a verb?

"To Samsung: to steal by copying; to profit by imitation of others' work."

How long before it joins "selfie" and other words of the year in the Oxford?
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Guess you hate every newspaper ever, then. They don’t even bother with the comma!

Must be an American thing.
Never mind, found Macrumors. They don't do the comma thing and they seem to report everything a few hours before appleinsider.
It's like appleinsider are samsunging Macrumors. 1wink.gif
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I think you can safely change the verb "photocopy" to "Samsung"   Try: "Never know when someone might try to "Samsung" it.  Much shorter everyone.  One may as well get right to the point.

 

I guess "Samsung" also stole "Xerox". "Xerox" is has been used synonymously with "photocopy" for long time.

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The fact that "The multi-user feature is already available on Android" is  very good news for Apple and its shareholders.

Why?

Because Apple OWN the patent for Multi Use.

You're confused. Mutli-use(r), discussed here, and multi-touch are two different features. Even with multi-touch Apple hardly has a corner on it. Do a Google Patent search. There's a whole lotta companies holding patents in multi-touch besides Apple.
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