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Ok, enough about the Excel 'error' already. It obviously was someone entering a value but not saving it yet. Does it look bad in an ad, sure, but let it go already it's not an Excel bug. I love AI but often your bias is taken to new levels of hubris

Methinks you're missing the point entirely. No one's saying it's an Excel bug. No one's saying Excel can't ad numbers. 

 

The claim is that it's sloppy advertising work. It may have been created by an ad agency, but it got Microsoft's stamp of approval. Yeah, the error is trivial and silly, but as yet another little indication of Microsoft's sloppiness, it should be mocked far and wide.

post #42 of 83
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Originally Posted by Inkling View Post

There's an interesting pattern to human behavior.

The stronger someone stresses their honesty, the more likely it is that they're lying.

Like all the concern trolls who post, "I love Apple, but let's be honest..."

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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post #43 of 83

A much better effort here, Microsoft!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y2mqoDjQXI

post #44 of 83
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Hey Microsoft.
You're advertising it wrong.

That's truer than true!!

When a salesman uses the word, "HONESTLY" it means he's been lying up to that point.... so anything he says is doubtful. That's got to be the first time in History an ad used that word in that fashion!
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post #45 of 83

I just can't comprehend how a company can be so ubiquitous and yet so inefficient at everything.

 

The day Microsoft Office finally dies there will be a massive leap in productivity.

post #46 of 83
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So, uh, what was your point again?

He meant that it is supposed to be 900 million what was written was 900 thousand.   MS write off for surface tabs was 900 million.  It looks like it has been corrected now in the article.

post #47 of 83
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Microsoft's identity problem.. just like Blackberry. They don't know if they want to be for business or consumers! Notice how they have Netflix and Halo app with the word Business in the same ad. 

Not to mention the other none work apps. But then again if they removed those apps from the product they wouldn't have any other apps to show...
post #48 of 83
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Microsoft Excel on it? Sorry, that's not a selling point for the regular consumer - not at all. That's like selling refrigerators in Antarctica.

 

Excel: The New Adobe Flash

post #49 of 83
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Originally Posted by edslunch View Post

Ok, enough about the Excel 'error' already. It obviously was someone entering a value but not saving it yet. Does it look bad in an ad, sure, but let it go already it's not an Excel bug. I love AI but often your bias is taken to new levels of hubris

Excel, the spreadsheet of choice, as used by Enron.

There, that make you feel better?
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post #50 of 83

Simple. They are inefficient at stopping piracy, resulting in millions of illegitimate copies of stuff. Of course the one thing they did well was work with manufacturers to hide the cost of software into the hardware, thereby getting around the piracy problem.

post #51 of 83
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Originally Posted by Mac'em X View Post

Methinks you're missing the point entirely. No one's saying it's an Excel bug. No one's saying Excel can't ad numbers. 

The claim is that it's sloppy advertising work. It may have been created by an ad agency, but it got Microsoft's stamp of approval. Yeah, the error is trivial and silly, but as yet another little indication of Microsoft's sloppiness, it should be mocked far and wide.
I have no problem mocking Microsoft for advertising failures like this. But when AI has an article showing how Numbers does it correctly then devotes a reasonable amount of this article rehashing the same problem and expecting a correction from MS well that's just over the top
post #52 of 83
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Originally Posted by Inkling View Post

There's an interesting pattern to human behavior.

The stronger someone stresses their honesty, the more likely it is that they're lying.

Like all the concern trolls who post, "I love Apple, but let's be honest..."

Or pretty much any post that starts with a description of the Apple products the poster owns.
post #53 of 83
So, in reality, Microsoft's elaborate misleading spreadsheets have hidden the fact that the $900,00,000 Surface RT write-off was actually $2,500,000,000. At least those things are useful for something.
post #54 of 83
Money doesn't solve anything, unless you're paying smart employees.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Money doesn't solve anything, unless you're paying smart employees.

I'm sure MS employees are smart enough having passed a Microsoft interview (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_interview). The problem lies in the upper management.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

The only problem is that Windows Phone 7/8 isn’t any good, nor are the phones it’s on.

Please elaborate
post #57 of 83
digiclip and edslunch, if they haven't hit enter yet, why does the value show up in the pie chart? Maybe the pie chart is anticipating the value that would be entered?
post #58 of 83
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Originally Posted by Cletus View Post

In nature, an animal caught by its throat wiggles a bit, rolls its eyes and then lets its tongue hang out in tacit acceptance of its fate. It is time for Microsoft to do likewise.

This is about as close as Microsoft got to date, not counting when Ballmer rolled his eyes at the first mention of the iPhone...

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post #59 of 83
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...Other Microsoft experts convened to arrive at an explanation published by TechCrunch: that the great complexity of Excel can enable users to create misleading spreadsheets that appear legitimate, but actually hide major accounting errors....

Honestly, it works for embezzlement.
post #60 of 83
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Originally Posted by elehcdn View Post

digiclip and edslunch, if they haven't hit enter yet, why does the value show up in the pie chart? Maybe the pie chart is anticipating the value that would be entered?

So these "market share" analysts must be using Excel, that would explain the ten million tablets that magically appeared from one year to the next.

'Excel enabling number fudgers since 1985'
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post #61 of 83
They can waist what left of there cash on a product that will never sell, there stick are down a lot no body cares about the surface tablet
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Originally Posted by ttremeth View Post

yeah they are shockers, Apple are much better at BS no doubt.

 

You signed up to join an Applecentric site just to say something negative?

 

Sad.

post #63 of 83
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Excel: The New Adobe Flash

Correction, Microsoft Office: apologizing bad programming since 1984.

post #64 of 83
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Originally Posted by edslunch View Post

Ok, enough about the Excel 'error' already. It obviously was someone entering a value but not saving it yet. Does it look bad in an ad, sure, but let it go already it's not an Excel bug. I love AI but often your bias is taken to new levels of hubris

I don't think it was a case of someone entering a value, but not saving it yet because Excel recalculates on the fly.     I think that someone at the advertising agency didn't know how to use Excel, so instead of summing the column by formula, they simply did a quick calculation in their heads and manually entered the sum, thinking no one would notice.   And no one would have had they gotten the sum correct. 

 

It's relevance is not that there's a bug in Excel (because if there are any bugs in Excel, summing columns is not one of them), but that the sloppiness in the ad may reflect Microsoft's sloppiness in their approach to developing new products.   While this could have happened to anyone, I think other companies would have caught it before it became a billboard.

 

Having said that, I'm actually surprised that the Surface has done as badly as it has.   While I've only fooled with one for a minute or two in a retail store, it just doesn't seem that awful.    Several developers in the firm I consult for have purchased hybrid machines (laptop/pad) and they seem to love them.   I think there is a case to be made that you can't do real work without a real keyboard.    I wouldn't want to be typing even these three paragraphs on a touch screen.   And I think there's a case to be made that a hybrid machine is not a bad solution if executed properly.             

post #65 of 83
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post
 

I think there's a case to be made that a hybrid machine is not a bad solution if executed properly.             

 

Knock yourself out.

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post #66 of 83
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Originally Posted by edslunch View Post

Ok, enough about the Excel 'error' already. It obviously was someone entering a value but not saving it yet. Does it look bad in an ad, sure, but let it go already it's not an Excel bug. I love AI but often your bias is taken to new levels of hubris

Well, I’m not saying it’s an Excel bug. That’s almost beside the point. The ad reflects on the company brand (it’s called a Brand Touchpoint in the biz, and they are crucial to a brand’s overall identity and credibility).

I also use spreadsheets. Why would someone manually “enter a value” for a SUM of numbers above it? Why was (an incorrect) sum typed in manually at all, awaiting a keypress (as you allege)?

In both Excel and Numbers, when I want a cell to display the sum of a group of other cells, I use @SUM for that. I don’t type in a (random?) number and hit Enter. Why would I do that? So there should be no number in that cell at all (yet) if it’s awaiting an Enter keypress.

Your rationalization makes no sense. Of course, I don’t suspect a “bug” in the @SUM function. But it was a huge blunder on the part of a lax and (possibly) incompetent marketing team. I spent many years in advertising & marketing. I guarantee you things like this don't happen if your process is being managed correctly.

By the way, it isn’t only the ad agency to blame. It’s also whoever works at MS that signed off on the final artwork. You’d think with all those people in the chain, someone would have noticed, eh? MOre than one person seriously dropped the ball. It’s quite clear from that billboard just how important it is to get it right...
post #67 of 83
“Honestly, it works for work.”

*cough* Netflix, Halo and Shazam on the home screen *cough*
post #68 of 83
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Ironically, if Microsoft had released a "real" version of Excel for iOS after iPad 1 was released, they would have made a few billion off it by now

 

Office is barely usable on a desktop, go figure on a tablet. You can have a taste of it with CloudOn. You will be lucky to find some place where to write words or formulas, in the middle of all those icons.

post #69 of 83
Microsoft does work for work -- all over the world. And that's something nobody has been able to replicate.
post #70 of 83
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Originally Posted by Kafantaris View Post

Microsoft does work for work -- all over the world. And that's something nobody has been able to replicate.

There's a car dealership that's in my area and they ditched their Dell computers for nothing but Apple iMacs, iPhones, and iPads and they love the change.   I think they might be using Office, but most of them are using other apps that are specifically designed for the auto industry.   They were using a terminal emulation to connect to a main system that the mfg uses, but I think it's Unix based.

 

There are plenty of specialized industries where it's common for certain users to use Macs or Linux computers and actually not have much in the way of Microsoft apps running.  Go to a recording studio, chances are they are using Pro Tools, Pyramix systems and they aren't running Office on their DAW systems, which is what they use for their business.  If they have a computer running the front office, they can easily use Macs with MYOB and if they don't want to use Office, they can use iWork 09 (soon to be the latest version) or another Office compatible software.

 

Microsoft just was successful at brainwashing people into buying Windows based computers, Office, and Exchange, but there are companies out there that don't.

 

I've used both Windows and Macs in business, and the Macs worked better.  I might have run Office just because I was used to it, but I could have easily used something else instead.  But for most of what I did, I actually didn't use Microsoft products, or didn't NEED to.  In some cases I was forced to, but the company could have easily used something differently.

 

The problem is that people are easily brainwashed. obviously, you are one of them.

 

I know plenty of companies that were 100% Microsoft and they ended going out of business.  My cousins had a investment banking company that was "SUPPOSED" to be a successful business, but they ended up shutting their doors down unexpectedly.  They were too Microsoft centric and the CEO was spending most of his spare time fixing and setting up his own servers instead of running his business.  He's now working for another company in a position that isn't the CEO.  They won't say what happened, probably too embarrassing.

 

So, it's not always good to be a 100% Microsoft shop. LOL...

 

If you look at the trends in the server market, more and more Linux and Unix servers are being implemented every day as they are eating a LOT of Microsoft's business.  I don't know how many people are using Microsoft data bases for transaction processing, that's usually Oracle and IBM to do that, and we all know those two would prefer Unix or Linux to handle that since they both have their own versions of both.

 

Don't get brainwashed with thinking that you NEED Microsoft because it's been proven that you don't.

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There's a car dealership that's in my area and they ditched their Dell computers for nothing but Apple iMacs, iPhones, and iPads and they love the change.   I think they might be using Office, but most of them are using other apps that are specifically designed for the auto industry.   They were using a terminal emulation to connect to a main system that the mfg uses, but I think it's Unix based.

 

Every year or so when I go to renew my car registration or licence in NSW, Australia, I am amazed to see that there is still one of these behind every counter:-

 

 

They must, just work for work.

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post #72 of 83
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Ok, enough about the Excel 'error' already. It obviously was someone entering a value but not saving it yet. Does it look bad in an ad, sure, but let it go already it's not an Excel bug. I love AI but often your bias is taken to new levels of hubris

I totally agree - drop it already, AI, it's bogus.

post #73 of 83
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post
 

I totally agree - drop it already, AI, it's bogus.

 

What’s even funnier than the quarter million dollar billboards with errors or the facing posters begging to be taken seriously are the posters admonishing AI to stop poking fun at an incompetent corporation with billions of dollars to proofread or even sanity check its ads. 

 

And who then turn around and enter into mass histrionics whenever AI has a typo of near-zero consequence. 

post #74 of 83
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post
 

I totally agree - drop it already, AI, it's bogus.

 

No way, and to think it was Intel who got the blame for the inaccurate maths co-processor when they switched from 486 to Pentium, when all along it was Excel that was the culprit.

 

The old jokes like what do you get when you add 100 to 386, 486 and 100 to 486...

 

...doh, stuff it Pentium.

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post #75 of 83
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Every year or so when I go to renew my car registration or licence in NSW, Australia, I am amazed to see that there is still one of these behind every counter:-

They must not be worried about security then, that version of OS X hasn't been patched for a long time
post #76 of 83
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Originally Posted by Corrections View Post

What’s even funnier than the quarter million dollar billboards with errors or the facing posters begging to be taken seriously are the posters admonishing AI to stop poking fun at an incompetent corporation with billions of dollars to proofread or even sanity check its ads. 

And who then turn around and enter into mass histrionics whenever AI has a typo of near-zero consequence. 

Of course Daniel, I suppose they are only "near-zero consequence" when you make them?
post #77 of 83
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post
 

 

Every year or so when I go to renew my car registration or licence in NSW, Australia, I am amazed to see that there is still one of these behind every counter:-

 

 

They must, just work for work.

 

I never owned one of those, and whenever I see one I wish that I had.  I'll have to pick one up, one day.  I just adore that design.  There's something very forward-looking about it, and at the same very "Jetsons" too. :)

 

It really was a beautiful design, IMO.

post #78 of 83
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They must not be worried about security then, that version of OS X hasn't been patched for a long time

Security is obviously catered for by the network they are connected to, judging by their age and given the fact they are still in use, I would say that over time they became a good investment.
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post #79 of 83
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It’s an allusion to something Steve Jobs once said. It’s okay if you don’t get the jokes, they’re not for everyone.

Just another reason articles need to be marked with "Editorial" in their title.

post #80 of 83
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Security is obviously catered for by the network they are connected to, judging by their age and given the fact they are still in use, I would say that over time they became a good investment.

Well if they are connected to any network then that is a security risk
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