Originally Posted by Relic
~Windows Mobile, you either hate it or love it, I've noticed that there is just no middle ground when people are discussing this OS.
I personally don't hate it at all. It does have some interesting features as does Android. However as a "complete device" I have to give it at the most a 7 out of 10 rating... and that's because of the Nokia hardware. The GUI experiment that is tiles and assorted wasted space, makes it a must to buy the "biggest" screen phone you can get IMO.
Seriously speaking, "if" Microsoft had decided to make all of their recent changes and improvements to Windows 8 and stuck with icons rather than tiles, no one would have held that against them. Also I firmly believe that they would have had a far easier time of getting people to upgrade their desktops WITHOUT Metro, and would have had much more success with Windows Phone than they have had to date. Whether Windows 8 is usable after a short "re-train", stable as Win7, and brings a far better foundation to build upon has not been the debate the haters have had a field day with. It's all about the hate for Metro and Tiles.
Easiest road to success for Microsoft Win8 and WinPhone8 at this time is to take one on the chin, and create a user selectable view to disable Metro on desktops, and "normal icon view" on WinPhone. As a betting person, I would go all in on a 20% increase in updates and sales within a month of MS doing that.
I happen to fall in the latter group as I have a Nokia 1020 and dig it immensely, it's also my first Windows Mobile device. It took me about a day to find all of the little nuances and tricks but once I did I was smitten. My previous phone was a BB Z10, a work phone which I unfortunately had to give up after I fell sick and took an extended leave of absence. I was also using a Nokia 808 for my personal phone. There are some odd UI elements for sure but no more than Android or iOS have and definitely nothing that is so bad it's distracting, I actually think that title thing is kind of cool looking. I either remove or use the smallest size available for any icons of apps that aren't used frequently on the Start Screen, I just uninstall the apps that aren't useful. Windows 8 allows you to uninstall every non system app including the ones installed by a carrier, zero bloatware.
Yes, we also resized, moved, and uninstalled a number of apps. Once again: I nor the client saw any benefit to the "mega-tiles", considering that information was very often cut off or incomplete in one way or another (messages, calendar, pictures cropping strangely).
There is only one Facebook app from Facebook, it's called Facebook, the others have names like Facebook Touch or Facebook Plus, not very confusing at all,
Really? Facebook Plus and Facebook Lite actually came up first on my clients search, and both use a very similar icon/logo as the official Facebook app.... which yes... creates confusion for some people. MS (and Google!) must curate better in that regard and respect trademarks at the very least, dissipate confusion for newbies being the #1 reason. On Android it's darn-right dangerous(!)
the Instagram app from Instagram is called just that, Instagram. I just tried the Nokia Music app, I don't see the ads that you were referring too, I mostly use Spotify for my music needs but I'm still intrigued by this as one of the things I like about WinMob8 is, no ads, except in the Store. Which app are you using. I also tried the MS app, Music, the only ads I've seen for artists were found under the pane called, "Store".
The Store is the very first pane you see when opening the "Music" app. I also use and highly recommend Spotify to everyone.... but... what ya gonna do about "rippers"?
NOTE: I just noticed on Win8.1 that they have upgraded the Metro-Music App. It used to advertise X-Box Music first and foremost rather than personal collections. It's still a massive waste of space on a desktop IMO.
If your friend decides to stay with the Nokia, convince him or her to get in contact with me or at least someone else who knows the system well. I would be more than happy to show this person the good parts of the platform though, it’s potential, which there is, in abundance. Also the best apps, hidden goodies like becoming a WinDev and getting free apps as well as the first for updates. The OS is very powerful, the way the apps can talk with each other rivals that of Android without losing your security foothold. The speed is as fast as iOS.
Nice try Relic
Sorry to tell ya but I'm in the business of moving people to Apple devices and solutions. I am not going to go out of my way to push a platform that I personally believe as a whole, is a daily nightmare for average business users and a complete IT overkill for consumers.
That is the genius behind the iPad and Post-PC devices: you do not need an engineering degree, an IT support contract, nor someone in your immediate group of friends or family to "clean up the mess" that is (still) Windows every few weeks or months.
The cloud integration is bar none the best when compared to other platforms.
When it works that is:
Do a search for Sync problems. It's a bonafide problem we ran into with both Contacts... um sorry... "People" on one platform, Contacts in the other... and Calendar.
Even though many say there aren’t, there are plenty of good apps. In fact I can’t think of one app that I am missing, wanting, need, ect. that isn’t already available.
Honestly I can't dispute that because the needs of my client are rather simple: Mail, Messaging, Calendar, Facebook, WhatsApp, Music, Maps. Period. Even web browsing isn't "needed" as related to me by many people using alternatives to iOS. BTW: most of those folks are without large data plans (500mb) and still don't see the need to have one. PAYG sims.
The Nokia 1020 itself is a pretty insanely cool phone, the screen is probably the best I have ever seen in a mobile device except for maybe my doctors new Nokia 1520, which she bought after I let her use my 1020 for the week. I convinced her in holding off on buying a HTC One MAX, I don’t think Android is a good OS for a doctor and she didn’t want an iPhone. Personally the Nokia 1520 is too friggen big, even for me but she wanted a phablet and I have to admit if you want a phablet, this is the mother to buy, holy crap is it big. What is it with woman and phablets, they are the only ones that I see with them. When I was using an Android phone I also had a phablet, the Samsung Note and I would most likely have the Note 3 or maybe even the Sony Z1 if I didn’t have the Nokia and more importantly wasn’t tired of seeing really fast hardware brought to it’s knees because of Darvik. Anyway back to the concept of a phablet, there’s just something about having a phone and a tablet in one device, maybe Apple will get wise to us big phone wanting girls and release one as well, you guys get to have a big bummy girl as an option, so asking for the same in a phone isn’t too much to ask for. I like big buttons and I cannot lie, you other gadget freaks can’t deny.
As I said in my first post, yes... the Nokia phone I worked on is a very nice piece of hardware, as I'm sure all of them are. I still maintain that it is the GUI that is holding it back from gaining more share of the market. It's still not a "premium experience" on the level of Apple, but is a better one than that of an Android.... that is if you are a "paying customer" of services and content.
You can't beat the "free-for-all-and-pirate-everything" approach of Android, and frankly... Microsoft should know that, since that is how they achieved their worldwide success with Windows i.e. turn a blind eye towards piracy to boost your market presence and eventual domination once you have them hooked. Worked for Microsoft once... and i'm seriously curious whether it will work for Android over time. It appears it was a once-in-a-lifetime strategy if you look at profitability rather than market share numbers at least.
As for "phablets".... I agree with you that there is definitely a need and market out there that Apple should address, which fairly likely they will do next year. I also believe that at that point in time when Apple does hit the market for the "Mobile All In One"... not "phablet", if
a) Microsoft hasn't improved there GUI and ecosystem,
b) Google hasn't found a way to optimize their Dalvik VM...
...then Apple will run away with not only ~70% of the mobile profits... but closer to 95%.
Then it will be truly interesting to see what MS does with Nokia and what Samsung does with Tizen.
Just saying I like my Nokia here, please don’t analyze my post and put together some kind of proverbial Pelican Brief on how I hate Apple.
I could say the same if it was only about Nokia. Sadly... I don't see the benefits of the stellar Nokia hardware overcoming the distaste and bad experiences many people have had with Microsoft OSes in the past, nor the struggles with the new one presently. Nokia sold their ability to reverse that "eventuality" and look at other alternatives to get their devices into people's hands when they sold out to MS "Lock, Stock and with 2 Smoking Barrels".
Last note: I've written for years here about my experiences with helping clients and business associates make the switch to Apple OS X and iOS devices. On OS X it has naturally involved moving people into minimally configured Parallels/Windows environments for software that is not available on Macs. I have not once experienced any of them switching back to Win-Only, nor even the slightest complaint of switching in the first place. 100% positive reviews...
... which keeps my business running quite well even tho I don't make any money directly from selling Apple equipment....