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Adding to rumors that Apple is seriously considering a larger iPad model, a Chinese website on Tuesday claims Foxconn has built five prototype versions of the alleged 12.9-inch tablet featuring 2K or 4K screen resolutions.

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Citing a people familiar with the matter, Chinese publication PadNews claims Apple is testing five different 12.9-inch iPad models built by partner manufacturer Foxconn. Further, the company may launch a version with a 2K resolution screen in the first half of 2014, then debut an even higher resolution 4K model a few months later.

The publication quotes sources as saying the first of the larger iPad models could hit store shelves in April, with the 4K ultra-HD iteration coming during the regular iPad product update cycle in October.

While the terms "2K" and "4K" were tossed about in the report, it made no mention of specific panel resolutions. Currently, the iPad Air boasts a 9.7-inch Retina display with a 2,048-by-1,536 pixel resolution, which by many standards is already a 2K panel.

Tuesday's rumor is not the first suggest Apple is building a larger-sized iPad. In November, a report from The Korea Times cited an official at a local Apple parts supplier as saying the 12.9-inch Retina display was already being manufactured by a "first-tier" Korean display maker. Earlier that month, the source of today's rumor said Apple was in advanced testing of either an 11.4-inch or 12.9-inch tablet.

Finally, separate reports from The Wall Street Journal and Chinese publication United Daily News claimed a larger iPad was in the works.

As tablets continue to take over the PC landscape, Apple could be looking to stay ahead of the curve with additional screen size offerings. A 12.9-inch iPad panel would come close to the company's smallest MacBook Pro and surpass the 11.6-inch MacBook Air thin-and-light.
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Totally makes sense, Apple has trouble getting mass produced 326dpi 7.9" screens for the iPad mini retina, I'm sure they'll have no problem getting 12.9" screens at 500+dpi next year!

 

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Adding to rumors that Apple is seriously considering

Very believable.
However, I would not take it this as any indication of anything other than what it is.
Apple makes all kinds of stuff that are simply testbeds for different technology/ideas and not as a prototype for an actual product.
post #4 of 91
I believe it.
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post #5 of 91

I believe it. Queue the stupid "MaxiPad" jokes. But really, I think it's a great next step. 

post #6 of 91
Mmmmmuummm! Three sizes - small, medium and larger! If true, maybe a larger iPhone 6 is assured.
post #7 of 91

I also believe in the possibility of an "iPad Pro" next year, but expecting mass produced 4K screens at 12.9" for 2014 is wishful thinking. 

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Keep those hardware boners in your pants, folks. It's only a rumor.

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post #9 of 91
It would be nice if they give the iPhone an hd screen before jumping to 2K or 4K screens on the iPad
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I am not sure I am sold on the larger size. I was very bullish on all previous iterations... but I am trying to get my head around the use cases and who the target users are. The only scenario I can see for average users is if they combine this with notebook capabilities that can morph back and forth into a tablet. For the pro market, I see it for targeted or selective markets.

 

It will be interesting to see what Apple has up their sleeves if this is truly a path they are taking.

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A 4K screen would be FOUR 1080p panels or (3840x2160) or about 8Megapixels.  According to Wikipedia, 2K is 2048×1080 which is less than the 2048X1536 of the current iPads.


Neither, by definition, are 4x3 aspect ratio screens.  Would Apple make a 16x9 iPad if it was 12.9" across?  I doubt it.  But would they do 4x the current iPad or 4096x3072?  Hmmmmm...
 

Or…. the 12.9" 4K screen is not for an iPad, but a Retina Display Macbook Air, Pro, or other?  4K screen laptop to go with a 4K display yet to be announced.

 

Hey.  I can dream!

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It would be nice if they give the iPhone an hd screen before jumping to 2K or 4K screens on the iPad

With a resolution of 2048x1536, I would be okay with saying the iPad already has a 2k display.

If the 12.9" iPad is a real thing, they probably would want to make sure the DPI is high enough to warrant the Retina name. Current iPad resolutions would be a bit low DPI wise on a 12.9" display. But doubling the resolution again would get them to a high enough DPI, make it easier on developers and have a 4K display as well. If they can pull it off, it would be a big win for them.

And for anyone saying they can't possibly do it in 2014 - how many of you said that the iPad mini wouldn't go Retina until 2014 at the earliest?
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A 4K screen would be FOUR 1080p panels or (3840x2160) or about 8Megapixels.  According to Wikipedia, 2K is 2048×1080 which is less than the 2048X1536 of the current iPads.


Neither, by definition, are 4x3 aspect ratio screens.  Would Apple make a 16x9 iPad if it was 12.9" across?  I doubt it.  But would they do 4x the current iPad or 4096x3072?  Hmmmmm...


 
Or…. the 12.9" 4K screen is not for an iPad, but a Retina Display Macbook Air, Pro, or other?  4K screen laptop to go with a 4K display yet to be announced.

Hey.  I can dream!

If Apple shipped a 4:3 display with a 4k horizontal resolution, it would have more pixels than an UHD display. I don't think there would be an issue with them calling that a 4K display, except knowing Apple, they would probably come up with their own term for it. Retina Pro, anyone?
post #14 of 91
Why not say: w or w/o NFC, w or w/o mini USB, blah blah blah.
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I believe it. Queue the stupid "MaxiPad" jokes. But really, I think it's a great next step. 

you just wanted to write "MaxiPad" didn't you.

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It would be nice if they give the iPhone an hd screen before jumping to 2K or 4K screens on the iPad

I don't see the point of having a higher definition screen on the iPhone. I can't see pixels, so why go high def and force battery life to suffer?
post #17 of 91

I would consider this unlikely, but today, wishing my iPad was the size of a pad of paper (8 1/2 x 11), I may have to reconsider. An iPad that size and the same weight of a pad of paper might be useful. 

post #18 of 91
Big deal. It would surprise me if they weren't. However there's a huge difference between a prototype and a shipping unit. Until this actualy ships this is a non-story.
post #19 of 91
It's not going to happen, I had a lot of calculations with it on how likely, (Appleinsider app crashed) in basic it's just to high ppi for cost and it would take a 20+ inch device to even need a 4k display.
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I would consider this unlikely, but today, wishing my iPad was the size of a pad of paper (8 1/2 x 11), I may have to reconsider. An iPad that size and the same weight of a pad of paper might be useful. 

It's interesting you mention that specific size.  What benefit would an iPad that size offer you that the iPad Air currently does not?

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I would consider this unlikely, but today, wishing my iPad was the size of a pad of paper (8 1/2 x 11), I may have to reconsider. An iPad that size and the same weight of a pad of paper might be useful. 

8.5" x 11" display with a 4:3 aspect ratio would make the diagonal 13.9". Makes more sense than 12.9". A larger display is desirable for creative pros, but only if it is pressure sensitive with a revamped touch interface, that in addition to the existing one centred around the finger, would also allow for the greater accuracy of a stylus. This would require a finer granularity of the coordinate system in the touch layer and the algorithms necessary to support it. With pressure sensitivity built-in, it would be system-wide and available to all apps.

post #22 of 91

I thought a LegalPad at 8.5 x 14 would be cool.... But for those that use such documents an e-ink device would probably work fine.

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Totally makes sense, Apple has trouble getting mass produced 326dpi 7.9" screens for the iPad mini retina, I'm sure they'll have no problem getting 12.9" screens at 500+dpi next year!

/sarcasm 

By my calculation, a quadrupling of the current iPad's pixels on a 12.9" screen would require 396 PPI. That is not so far from the 326 PPI of the iPhone 5 and the iPad mini retina, and is within the technology capabilities of display manufacturers, for example there are even higher resolution products by HTC and LG. The challenge of course is the screen size and the yield at that size. But that is just a manufacturing problem - all the other pieces are in place, so if Apple decides to do it it will happen.

And I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that 396 PPI wold enable 2K resolution for a 5"+ screen on a larger iPhone in the future. Apple loves to use the same dot pitch on multiple products.

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post #24 of 91
Yeah I've just been waiting for the right time to use it!
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post #25 of 91
I also agree they wouldn't make this 16:9. They would have to have a special display driver and then all the apps would be screwed up. No way we'll see this by first of 2014. This is probably something we won't see until late 2014, if even by then. I do expect a bigger size though because of the enormous power of the A7.
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Think of it this way.  If you were Tim Cook and you wanted to find out which people at Foxconn are leaking information about upcoming Apple products, wouldn't you give them something crazy to leak like a 12.9" iPad with 4K resolution?

 

Yeah.  That's what I'd do.

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By my calculation, a quadrupling of the current iPad's pixels on a 12.9" screen would require 396 PPI. That is not so far from the 326 PPI of the iPhone 5 and the iPad mini retina, and is within the technology capabilities of display manufacturers, for example there are even higher resolution products by HTC and LG. The challenge of course is the screen size and the yield at that size. But that is just a manufacturing problem - all the other pieces are in place, so if Apple decides to do it it will happen.

Ok so I was off about the 500+ PPI remark (was too lazy to calculate).

 

The "higher resolution" products from HTC and LG are ~5" screens. High density panels become exponentially harder to make as the size go up. 

 

A 12.9" screen is several times larger than a phone/phablet display. And the 15" retina MBP screen is 227 PPI, which is pretty far from 396.

 

I don't understand why so many people seem to assume that PPI should go up on larger iPads even though it goes against manufacturing logic, and that a larger screen would likely be held even farther from the face compared to an iPad mini or iPhone, requiring an even lower PPI to be called "Retina" by Apple.

post #28 of 91
Fools, all of you! It's not a 12.9-inch iPad - it's the new 12.9-inch iPhone!

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post #29 of 91
Makes sense if they named it Pro. That would mean Apple has the Mini, Air & Pro now they all have names.. I can see it now 2014 a year for Apple to bump up all the product displays Like Cinema Display 4k, iPhone 4.8 & 12in iPad prob With a keynote headlining "We got some big news"
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I believe it.
64 bit OS, Desktop class architecture?
Mapping advancements, 3D sensors, Social analytics engine?
Yep. I believe it all.

A whole new class of computing is coming.


Probably THE great scary/cool thing about the digital world is that a whole new class of computing is always coming....

...it's both incremental (e.g., the iterations of OS X) and lumpy when the accumulation of increments allows a disruptive new device class to come into being...

...but it's been constant since the first digital devices and the speed of change is increasing itself.

 

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I am not sure I am sold on the larger size. I was very bullish on all previous iterations... but I am trying to get my head around the use cases and who the target users are. The only scenario I can see for average users is if they combine this with notebook capabilities that can morph back and forth into a tablet. For the pro market, I see it for targeted or selective markets.

 

It will be interesting to see what Apple has up their sleeves if this is truly a path they are taking.

 

Here's my shot at a business and long-term corp strategy case for such a device:

First, sales to consumers will be gravy if they take off, but the basic rationale would, I feel, come from elsewhere.

I can see many pro niche uses, e.g.:  Photographers (studio and especially in the field) would find it a blessing.  Directors would kill to see instant 4K playback on scene.  There have to be lots of medical uses.  Architects, engineers, and many (many) others.  Not enough for iPad Air like sales, but with a full Apple profit margin as a pro-quality device and a decent money-maker.

And send the message even more clearly:  if you're serious about tablet computing, there's iPad and then there's everything else.  As they're doing with the new Mac Pro, the rMBP and the top configs of the iMac.

 

So an iPad Pro would be to the iPad Air what the 15" rMBP is to the MBA.  Except much lighter, more portable and considerably cheaper.  Depending on the screen and graphics processing cost, maybe starting somewhere between $799 and $999 (and since aimed at pros, also in considerably higher cost variants).

Tablets are already counted as computers in a growing number of major sales reports.

 

Apple, meanwhile, already quit worrying about cannibalizing Mac sales just by the act of bringing out the iPad.  And they're not looking back because the sales multiples have made it a strong net growth driver, rather than hurting the company.  Tablet computing is enough for most people most of the time. 

And it follows that a pro tab will be enough for many (and eventually most) pros most of the time as well.

So just as pros tend to use rMBP's, pro tab users (and more non-pros because they'll be able to afford a wonderful gadget) enough ppl will queue up for it to make a tidy sum indeed.  And keep sending out the warm fuzzies to the pro community that Tim's been strongly encouraging within the company.

Or it could be just prototypes that never see the light of a keynote.  Or just a rumor.  Anyway, that's my best argument.

 

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A 4K screen would be FOUR 1080p panels or (3840x2160) or about 8Megapixels.  According to Wikipedia, 2K is 2048×1080 which is less than the 2048X1536 of the current iPads.


Neither, by definition, are 4x3 aspect ratio screens.  Would Apple make a 16x9 iPad if it was 12.9" across?  I doubt it.  But would they do 4x the current iPad or 4096x3072?  Hmmmmm...

 

I'm no expert on this, but I dabble a lot, so take with a grain of salt, but I think I'm somewhere close to accurate on the below:

 

Note that the "2K" spec you cite is simply a wider 1080p variant.  With a horizontal res of 2048 px vs 1920 for "regular 1080p HD."

There are proposed or adopted standards in the works for "4K" (and discussions about "8K" which has been demo'ed in Japan). The standards are (as usual) not going to be the same everywhere, but the informal or new umbrella spec is going to be called 2160p rather than 4K.  (I'm not quite sure how "UHD" is attached to or separate from 2160p). 

Ergo, Apple can have any horizontal resolution they want in a screen with 2160 vertical pixels in panorama mode and be living in "4K" territory. Because it's really 2160p territory. 

 

And while they want to tip their hat to pros (as shown with the new MP), I doubt that's worth giving devs another res to write for.  And if you've held up 16x9 and other tabs in portrait mode you know that's ungainly, which is why MS focuses on their magnetic keyboards, i.e, it's a crap tab form factor. 

So the right res for an IPP is an interesting question. 

Unless my math is faulty, standard 1080p HD is 16x9. The iPad's 4:3 in different numbers is 16:12.  Would Apple do 3240x2160 as their first tablet version of the 2160p spec (and a wider version for Macs)? Both would be 2160p compliant right out of the box for one thing.

Or it could go, well, otherwise...

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I don't see the point of having a higher definition screen on the iPhone. I can't see pixels, so why go high def and force battery life to suffer?

Screen's just too small for where the world's going and the tall factor will get ungainly in a 4.5+" iPhone unless they really chop the top and bottom frames (and maybe incorporate the touch ID and home button into the screen somehow).

 

Can't see the home button leaving, though, so given the sales volume of the iPhone, a whole new res and ratio to write for upcoming iPhones does seem a real possibility.  With a minimum dimension of 1080 pixels.  Whatever the width ratio.

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post #31 of 91

I would buy one immediately.

post #32 of 91
A 4K tablet makes as much sense as a desktop with a touch screen. That is, exactly no sense at all.

However, the ability to run a 4K screen (i.e., a TV) makes perfect sense.
post #33 of 91
I hope we don't see some type of hybrid device where if used as a laptop, the touch must be used. That's why the Surface has an identity crisis. It has no idea what it wants to be.

Check this out, I remember this keynote: http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-touch-screen-mac-2010-10

On the other hand I could see such a tablet/laptop having its screen disabled when in laptop mode. My true pipe dream would be a device that had an A7 and Intel processor all in one package. That would be a beast.
post #34 of 91
Can't we please just get a better screen in a real computer (running OSX and/or Windows via BootCamp) in the super small 11" MBA form factor?
post #35 of 91

Who the **** needs 4K on a 12.9" screen? I'm sorry, thats just overkill. The power/battery/heat requirements aren't worth the payoff, which to 99% of people, will be negligible compared to the current resolution. 

post #36 of 91

In reality, people generally use margins with letter sized paper, so a workspace of near 8 1/2 x 11 in a 12,9 inch 4:3 format wouldn't be a issue.

 

The use case may include a second display for an OSX device, so a DCI 4K crop of a 4096 x 3072  4:3 resolution (unlikely) or a UHD 4K crop of a 3840 x 2880 4:3 resolution would be desirable. Either way, this is the part where Apple wows us with iOS 8 resolution independence.

 

Edit: For the use case of DCI vs UHD at 4K resolutions. These would have to be TB2 capable to be used as second displays: bold move if it happens, but again unlikely. Would be interesting if Lightning cable has capability to "grow" to the TB2 bandwidth.


Edited by tmay - 12/4/13 at 12:39am
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Adding to rumors that Apple is seriously considering

Very believable.
However, I would not take it this as any indication of anything other than what it is.
Apple makes all kinds of stuff that are simply testbeds for different technology/ideas and not as a prototype for an actual product.

Indeed. Apple is also proud of the products they didn't release.
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Keep those hardware boners in your pants, folks. It's only a rumor.

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It would be nice if they give the iPhone an hd screen before jumping to 2K or 4K screens on the iPad

And the purpose being...? Never mind; pipped by Timbit.
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Who the **** needs 4K on a 12.9" screen? I'm sorry, thats just overkill. The power/battery/heat requirements aren't worth the payoff, which to 99% of people, will be negligible compared to the current resolution. 

That's why these reports also state something absurd the other way; less pixels that the current iPad. But hey, Korean Times and all that; they really seem to like their big screens.
post #38 of 91
This rumour is probably bait for the competition.
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post #39 of 91

What OS will it run? They would have to either make some changes to iOS, such as letting it run more than one app at a time, or graft a touch interface onto OS X. Full screen calculator apps make sense for a 4 inch phone with limited screen space, but not so much for a 13 inch tablet.


Edited by d4NjvRzf - 12/4/13 at 5:06am
post #40 of 91
Cost, people. The cheapest 4K monitors right now are $3000 and over 30". To make a 13" 4K screen means the base price would over $4000.

Are you willing to pay more than a Mac Pro for an iPad that can only run App store software?

The very fundamental of this rumor is absurd.
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